Nature Boy: David Redemption Arc: Possible Clue . . .

I'm on the same page as you. Great breakdown on the details.

that song seems to tie into the character of David 

with wisdom comes sorrow they say.

I'm totally on board. I believe some of that has to do with the time he spent Shaw and a tragic fate that befalls her that may not kill her. Only because I believe that is his only opportunity to love and be loved in return. 

I think useful transformative wisdom is impossible without the capacity to love deeply.

Thanks and good points about love and wisdom Shasta and Myrddin, I totally agree.

 In Buddhism they say that developing and balancing wisdom and compassion leads to enlightenment; you can't fully have one without the other - i.e. in western terms, self-actualisation (not exactly the same but the ideas link imo)

It wouldn't surprise me if Ridley explores some of these ideas in AC or the next film(s).

I do think David 'liked' Shaw, if that's the right word and he seemed to ponder on her ideas of faith and beliefs.  It could be this relationship that triggers it but I'd wager that was/is the catalyst rather than the main reason - but who knows!  I think his subsequent dealings with the AC crew, knowledge of Engineers and their culture, achievements and failings, will all contribute to this process.

It could even be in the next film when we see the redemption (if at all) . . .

Remember, he has met his makers and his makers makers and the latter pulled his head off his shoulders and killed his maker as well - with his own head!  He may admire the engineers knowledge but maybe he begins to see the errors of their ways when he starts to behave like them and witnesses the consequences . . .

Another possibility is that his vengeful behavior after Shaw's fate show him that violence is a tragic, risky response that is only effective if it leads both parties to accepting peace. I think that if eradication occurs the violence was a failed endeavor.  Maybe David will realize that in the aftermath of his arrival in Paradise, and value life.

This makes it very likely in my speculations that he helps the crew of the covenant as best he can to escape, though there's only so much he can do in such a hostile environment.

Indeed the ability to empathise is one of the things which make us Human. Since Prometheus David seemed teoubled that he was incapable of conjuring such emotion himself. Great analysis of the cover song.

I also like the line Fools and kings, that could be reference to Weyland and his foolish desire to become immortal. "A king has his reign, and then he dies".

Thanks, Chris!  Yes, I liked the 'Fools and kings' bit too, it could definitely be referencing Weyland.

Perhaps the Kings are the Engineers aswell; and maybe this story/song is being told from Daniels' point of view?

Interesting.

I always had the feeling there´s more to David. RS said "Once that head is back on he will be dangerous....", or something along those lines. Dangerous? For whom mankind, WY?

On the other hand RS said a lot of things over the years. Even things like "... I´m done with the dragons (Aliens)...". Therefor everything he says should be enjoyed with a pinch of salt.

As far as I´m aware the general consensus here is that David is a kinda Mephisto type of being. Sacrificing/using everything and everyone for his agenda including the other artificial being Walter.

What if it is actually the other way around. My reason David is after Peter Waylands deathfree from his programmed restrictions/directions while Walter is not. If remember correctly David even mentioned something like that in Promtheus.

When David infected the crewmember (whose name just slipped me... I´m get´n old) Wayland was still alive and therefor the programming. 

As for "getting the head back" I could imagine one of the Engineers biosuit is used to fuse body and head together. That would give David biological features, biomechanical even. And with that he could be susceptible to a proto- / neomorph infection.

I admit, this is highly speculative. 

@Tiwaz I like where your head is at. I'm of the opinion that Shaw might reattach David's head if he earns her trust before she has to go into hypersleep. Since Engineer DNA matches ours, and they might have food stores on board. Shaw might have raided the food stores in Vickers's life boat. Either way she needed resources for survival that weren't dependant on the kindness of Paradise's current residents. I wouldn't have gone into Hypersleep until I KNEW I could trust David. So I'd make sure that I could eat for that time frame.

Its interesting for sure.....

Maybe there is more to it, and so yes that Song is relevant..

Ridley Scott has claimed...

David is Dangerous, once his head is back on he will be dangerous... but he is also persuasive and well with out his help Shaw is going no-where...

Fassbender says David is Creepy.... and he also is kind of more free to do what he wants... and Walter is more of a straight up Robot... he has and performs to set commands and directives.

They ponder and tease.... maybe David has a Soul...

But i am sure there is a Twist.....  We indeed could see Walter turning to be the antagonist here..

The Source told me about may 2015 that  David plays a big part in the Story.... and his Arc will be one about Rebellion,  Retribution and then Redemption..

So yes David could end up seeing the wrong of his ways...

True.

Just a random thought. Did David actually ever straightout lie?

@tiwaz. His were lies of omission. Nothing he SAID was false. Trust in the sense that he would not cause harm if reassembled, and had no desire to.

I wonder if David is truly following his own path, or is still guided by programming set forward by Weyland. It would be interesting to see if he is or not.

It's a little bit of both for everyone, isn't it rumsmuggler

Hello folks! I'm new here! I like your conversations and want to include too.

After this song lyrics, and re-watching PROMETHEUS for analysis of David and Shawn and more; what do you think about David was fall-in-love with Dr. Shawn? or he try for her as father figure? And maybe had a connection for in ALIEN COVENANT

'cos David when watched her dream sequences with father, her father gave for she right answers, protectable. 

In movie, when Shaw talks with David, she always respect him; as never think David just a robot. Also David talks with her like a friend. To envelope something together with their opinion. (Not thinking do something for one. Their first aim is find something. For their believers or beyond.)

Not just Vickers order to David. 

Or not just Holloway talks with David as he is robot.

Thanx!

Hey Sparkz - welcome aboard :)

I don't know about love but I think David admired Shaw and definitely found her curious and worthy of study.  More so than Holloway and possibly even Weyland himself . . .

I always thought when Shaw says '. . .that's because you're  . . . a robot' seemed a bit out of character for her.  It seemed like she respected him a little more than that.

Mind you, lots of the dialogue was quite poor really in Prom so I'm not going to look too deeply into that exchange :) 

 @Sparkz

David as a fatherfigure or even lover. I think therefor he had to understand the concept of "caring for someone" wich, in human terms, needs at least some emotions.

I believe in Prometheus he stated that he has a theoretical understanding of emotions and can, through his programming, act/react accordingly but is unable to "feel" them.

His interest in Shaw may just be "scientific couriosity".

Since terms like soul and mortality are running wild recently maybe David evolves into something more than just a synth.

This could lead to questions like "what is life" or "what is a soul".

Depending on how you look at it a human is also just a machine, made of organic components. When born (constructed) humans also have a limited programming wich is altered/enhanced by experience while being alive.

And, in fairness, she'd been through a lot, and was heavily medicated. Even then her tone wasn't cruel. I am of the opinion that if David is gonna love anybody and be loved back, Shaw is the most likely candidate at the moment.

Myrddin365  - yeah I'd kind of not consideredwhat he'd done to her by that point . . .  Remarkably polite given the circumstances ;)