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is ridley revisiting the suggestive lambert scene?

ali81

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from a discussion on another topic I got to thinking, is ridley going one step farther with the shower scene in covenant than he did with the suggestive scene involving lamberts death in alien? it certainly doesn't look like its tail and the sound we hear it make in the trailor to me suggests quite a sinister motive. does it also suggest male and female aliens?

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Lamberts death was the first thing i thought of when i first watched the trailer.The idea of her death was to suggest some sort molestation.Also want her original death(she was going to get sucked out a window,the idea was reused for resurrections newborn).Dont know about male and female xenomorph but it would be an interesting twist on the alien mythology.

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I only suggest the male and female xeno angle as,going by the trailor, the xeno is behind the man in the scene yet whatever it is that comes into shot is apparently aimed toward the female which would suggest the alien knows the difference between the man and woman which would suggest its a male or at least the male organ of the alien,it ignores the male as it isn't interested in him in that scene. it definitely kills him, again because it has no interest in him, but what interest it has in a naked woman would suggest a sinister sexual motivation that a male would have, possibly

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I honestly think that its a tail but it is a good why its apears to be more between her legs than his.Perhaps it simply kills him to get him out of the way to,as you put it,do something more sinister.In Vincent Wards wooden planet concept for Alien 3 he did seemingly endow the alien with reproductive organs because it raped and impregnated Ripley

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SW says they touched on the idea of ripley mating with a xeno and she actually quite liked the idea. ridley chose giger because the alien in necronomicon4 that he chose was so scary yet had huge sexual tones, the whole concept quoted by O'Bannon is this is about interstellar rape. the concept for the facehugger and the first person to be impregnated being male was to attack the male viewers own personal fear of this happening. in the first alien it was going for lambert first, ignoring parker. it seemed to take its time killing parker tho in this case parker was the aggressor but going by the covenant trailor, the man is taken by surprise in the shower from behind. it wouls also go some way to answer how does the queen reproduce.

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The queen reproduction is another curious thing.Ripley was carrying a queen in 3.I always wondered if it was successfully born if the dog/runner alien would have mated with it to produce a new hive.Ive also thought the praetorian alien from the 2010 avp game was an attempt at a king alien.

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I think theyl have to follow some form of known species reproductive cycle. such as bee hives have 1 queen but all other bees are female and potential queens though the queen produces a pheromone that stops them from reproducing and keeps them docile, if the queen dies another takes her place. ants colonies are completed destroyed if the queen dies but in both species there is a male for fertilisation though they either die off very soon after mating or live nomadic lives, id probably say dying off quickly would be the better option in this case. or they are in fact hermaphrodites which could explain the scene but asks the question does it know the difference between human males and females and if so, does it have a thing for beastyality or is there something else going on. or I could be totally wrong and it just spears her with its tail

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Alien does have a long history bizarre sexual themes.Ash's assault on Ripley suggested sexual frustration and Prometheus brought an even more intimate look an alien invasion of the body with the trilobite being a product of Shaw and Holloway's intercourse.

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The scene might also depend on whether its a xenomorph or one of the new variants.

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very true but by the colour and design of the tail,if it is indeed the tail,would point towards the xeno I think no?

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I wonder would a human somehow be used in the queen's reproduction.

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Agreed.Others have suggested its the protomorph but i really dont think so.

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since they all come from the same original base dna structure,the balck goo, but modified due to the different life form infected/impregnated, they would all have lots of basic physical characteristics but im sure they would be enough distinctive differences to tell them apart, hence why I believe it to be a xeno. I hope ridley answers all these questions by the end of the series but would be interesting to see what, if any, questions he leaves unanswered

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if ridley is using multiple forms of canon for reference such as the comics, books, concept art etc (and I think he is looking at some similarities in the trailors designs) many of the refernences have depicted the xeno mating with a human

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Between the xenomorph,the deacon,and what weve seen of the neomorphs there are plenty of similarities and distinct differences that set them apart.Same thing goes for facehuggers and the trilobite.

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I agree, be interesting to see how it plays out and iv not been so eager to see a film so much in a long time

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I think what would be interesting to see in maybe a future film is to see the impact on a fully functioning hive when the queen is killed

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could be another interesting topic on here lol

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It would be new.I remember on one of the quadrilogy dvds someone said that each movie brought the battle closer and closer to the human body.An alien raping a human would seem like where the series has been heading all along

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my thoughts and from what O'Bannon had said, he wanted this creature to hit us right in our greatest fear and that would be the ultimate fear, especially as a species

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I cannot WAIT until the Art of Alien Covenant book comes out along with the updated W-Y Report 

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