James Cameron gets salty about Alien Covenant
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Necronom 4
MemberNeomorphFebruary 26, 20179164 Views53 Replies
James Cameron, patron saint of sci-fi sequels, is weighing in on a sci-fi sequel. Speaking in an expansive, otherwise excellent interview with Vulture, Cameron was asked about Ridley Scott's upcoming Alien: Covenant, and had this to say (emphasis my own):
"The franchise has kind of wandered all over the map. Ridley (Scott) did the first film, and he inspired an entire generation of filmmakers and science-fiction fans with that one movie and there have been so many films that stylistically have derived from it, including my own Aliens, which was the legitimate sequel and, I think, the proper heir to his film."
Shit, dude. "The legitimate sequel"? That's pretty rich. Aliens was wonderful, but replaced the vibe of Scott's tightly-wound horror with an all-action badass adventure movie. Both are masterpieces in their own right, but the middling Prometheus is still more thematically linked to Alien.
Like any good aging, increasingly out-of-touch filmmaker who doesn't know what's good for them, Cameron went on:
"It's like, okay, we've got it, we've got the whole Freudian biomechanoid meme. I've seen it in 100 horror films since. I think both of those films stand at a certain point in time, as a reference point. But is there any validity to doing another one now? I don't know. Maybe. Let's see, jury's out. Let's see what Ridley comes up with."
Let us not forget James Cameron is the dude in the midst of making four consecutive Avatar movies, passing judgment on what counts as a "legitimate sequel". In the coming decade we will be getting, presumably, over six hundred minutes of more Avatar, and, according to Cameron, all of it apparently vital.
What an arrogant dick.
Source : GQ online
The poster was good though!
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NECRONOM 4 - I am not certain how to assess your assertions. Is it not arrogance on your part to judge Cameron as "increasingly out of touch"? How do you quantify who and what is "out of touch"? What qualifies one as such? Cameron has touched the hearts and minds of many millions of men and women across the globe. I do not believe it is right of you to pass judgement upon him in so harsh a fashion. :(


NECRONOM 4 - Oh, gosh. You have not disappointed me, goofball. You have raised many interesting questions with this topic. I am simply asking that you look at it from multiple angles. We should not be so quick to jump upon others for their words. We need to consider them - weigh them. Simply denouncing each other because we do not agree with a point of view will only lead to the decay of free thought and expression. We must allow our minds to be open to all aspects of thought. As I have known you for multiple years at this point, I have never thought of you as close-minded or dissapointing. :)


Aliens was a fun sequel, but nowhere near the level of depth the first film and Prometheus carried. I think Cameron should appreciate Ridley's ballsy journey into the unknown.


Hey N4! *waves and blows a big kiss*
I read similar comments by JC in an i09 article last September.
The irony, or in my case ire, lies in the fact that it's all so tired when it comes to Ridley Scott's branching out, whilst JC's all too predictable opinion gives Neil Blomkamp the big thumbs up and validation for his ALIENS re-hash sequel idea.
The ALIENS camp certainly have no qualms about passively aggressively denouncing RS's future contribution.
It's low...very low!
"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

I like Aliens a lot, and so do a lot of other people. No need to get salty, Cameron
"Part of the journey is the end..."

LONE - Agreed. The amount of criticism I have seen directed at Sir Scott due to his creative vision is quite upsetting. It seems as if some individuals have forgotten how to dream and imagine. :(

I haven't watched Alien's in such a long time. I should watch it sometime.
Godzilla... Truly a God incarnate.

ULTRAZERO80 - Indeed! You will likely have a very good time doing so! :)

I read this awhile ago too. Cameron has made some great films like Aliens, The Terminator, Terminator 2: Judgment Day but he is a dick. Did you guys ever hear the story about him not signing an autograph for a kid at an airport, not a 20 year old or an adult because that shit happens all the time and who cares but a kid, c'mon man that's unforgivable, that's how I will always look at him even though he's made some great movies.

I don't really see a problem saying he made the legit sequel. I think most people in the general audience would agree with that statement.
He also says the jury is still out based off what Ridley Scott brings. How is that arrogant?
Kind of ironic - not to mention disingenuous - that the original post cut this part off...
"Let me just add to that — and don’t cut this part off, please — I will stand in line for any Ridley Scott movie, even a not-so-great one, because he is such an artist, he’s such a filmmaker. I always learn from him. And what he does with going back to his own franchise would be fascinating."
Cameron did make the legitimate sequel to Alien. How would that be in dispute?
Best read the whole thing and make a judgment, rather than the selected 'highlights' of people pushing an agenda.

He is an arrogant dick, remember the end of his Academy Award speech for winning best director for Titanic. Only a douche would say something like that and yeah there was more to what he said but who cares, when's the last time he made a great movie? Quit making sequels to Crapatar and do something good again.

His second last film smashed box office records. His last film smashed that record.
He might have a big mouth - but he can walk the walk.

Just cause movies make a ton of money doesn't mean there great. Transformers for instance, I like the first one after that yeah not so good, stopped watching after Dark of the Moon. Still they make a shit ton of money, quality over quantity.
Ye olde 'Transformers made lots of money but was crap' argument doesn't apply in this instance since Titanic rates 88% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 7.7/10 on IMDB, while Avatar rates 83% on RT and 7.8/10.
So not only did they make a truckload of cash, they were both positively received by critics and audiences.

Oh sorry James Cameron apologist, you got an answer for everything bro. Star Wars prequels, oh wait they probably don't apply either. Fast and Furious garbage, oh wait probably don't apply either.
None of them apply since we're specifically talking about James Cameron movies that got good box office and good reviews. Do you have anything specifically that challenges those specific numbers?
Whining about how you don't like Cameron doesn't count.

It's people opinions dude, rotten tomatoes ain't nothing but people's opinions. I ain't whining, how would you know can you read my mind. My opinion he's a dick, I am done conversing with you bro, all you do on here is correct people and shoot down people's ideas and comments. Not worth arguing with you about things like this. And that doesn't have anything to do with this topic as it pertains to many other things I've seen from you on here, letting it go man, in the grand scheme of life this stuff is not that important to always have to correct people cause they got something wrong or mess something up. It's supposed to be fun on here, peace out.

Ending this dumb disagreement before it gets blown out of proportion.

I don't see what a director's personal life has to due with the quality of movies they make. Uwe Boll might volunteer at the soup kitchen every other day, that doesn't change that his movies are garbage. By the same token James Cameron might not sign a child's autograph, doesn't change that he makes great movies.
Since the star wars prequels were mentioned just wanna point out Episode 3 has a higher score on multiple review sites than Prometheus.

Yeah I know, dumb me. It's um, my opinion of him. Just like your opinion is he makes great movies, I'll give you three movies that he's directed that I think are great. Aliens, The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgment Day, everything else not so much. Oh right, it's okay to have your own opinion still, or is that freedom getting taken away too. And I'm sure Piranha Part 2: The Spawning is amazing.

Read his Spider-Man scriptment it's fucking brilliant-ly a w f u l.

The point wasn't that you think he makes bad movies, it was that your post spent more time highlighting the fact he didn't sign a kid's autograph.
Good or bad director his personal conduct outside the chair has nothing to do with that.

Yeah that was me responding to the actual point of this thread, when Necronom 4 finishes this topic calling him an arrogant dick. This topic according to the author is pretty much about him being a dick, it's not about whether his movies are good, bad or shit. This topic got so sidetracked because of certain people, so I end up responding to other stuff, which I was actually happy too until it became a contest of who knows more about movies. But don't forget, initially I was responding to the point of the thread of him being a dick, which I absoulutely agree with Necronom 4, which is why I initially wrote all the things I did. Good day, I say good day(Fez's voice from That 70s show)

DR. CURT CONNERS - Please, I implore you to cease with the utilization of profanities in your posts. It not only cheapens your words, but also cheapens the quality of SCIFIED. You have proven that you are an intelligent man; please step away from harsh language. However, if you prefer to make your cursing slightly more comical, censor it by utilizing symbols such as @#$%!. :)

@Something Real My apologies to you sir, those are not intended for you. If you read the article that Lone wrote, which I saw you commented on, you know where I am coming from. Sorry to you again, it's how I talk and they are just words that someone made up but again sorry if you are offended. I will try to be more civilized. Sorry to you again, there is no disrespect to you good sir.

DR. CURT CONNERS - Hahaha! You do not have to apology to me, goofball! I am fully aware that your words have not been directed at me in any way, shape or form. I simply desire for others to engage one-another in civil discourse that befits the intelligence I know they possess. You have in no way disrespected me; you have simply caused me a moment's pause. Oh, and, if you are going to stick around (which I hope you will) you should know that I am Miss - not a Sir. ;)

@Something Real Yes I will be sticking around and my apologies indeed Miss. Thanks and I hope to get to read your thoughtful words and analysis.

DR. CURT CONNERS - You are most welcome, my friend. Please, enjoy your time here at SCIFIED! It is always quite agreeable to have new men and women amongst us! :)

"Yeah that was me responding to the actual point of this thread, when Necronom 4 finishes this topic calling him an arrogant dick."
Necronom 4 deliberately edited out the bit where Cameron effusively praises Ridley Scott and puts the whole thing in a different light, simply to push an angry agenda.
So, mission accomplished I suppose...

@SM "Necronom 4 deliberately edited out the bit where Cameron effusively praises Ridley Scott."
Was that really my intention? I took the quote directly from the GQ article and in no part of the GQ article did I read a quote from Cameron praising Ridley. It was the GQ author of that article that left out the closing comment, not me.
I've only just read the Vulture interview and indeed it does close with a compliment to Ridley, however, that doesn't change the fact that he's an arrogant dick, does it?
The poster was good though!

Hi Lone! Great to see you old pal! *Runs over and gives a big hug*
The poster was good though!
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