Engineer Weapon System

You're most welcome Parkerparrot. Please feel free to add any information (or point out a needed correction in the topic content) you recover from the Weyland Industries archives and corporate information.

A trailer for this topic has been uploaded to YouTube. 

Thank you all contributors.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwyNYNcR59pbLUGn4_qhx8Q

I agree.

Hi, Ingeniero! That are some cool pictures! So, they control the environment inside the pyramid, using some kind of terraforming device, or maybe the pyramid is that device. They store black goo inside this pyramid. Could the "humidifier" be some kind of system to keep the right conditions inside of the chambers housing the canisters with goo? So they don't start to leak...

Indeed there has to be some way they prevent them from leaking Parkerparrot  i would go as far as to say some Rooms like the Big Head/Ampoule Room was Sterile and somehow its environment  prevents the Black Goo from being active.. and the Prometheus Crew infected the Rooms Atmosphere.

This would make sense to why the Engineers tried to get into this Room and how the Head was in a preserved State, while the Body was Hollow (nothing inside the Space Jockey Suit).

@Ingeniero

I am finding very little evidence of Black Goo attack on Paradise... no evidence of Urns.. do these all decompose over time?  We had the Urns change to Eggs theories on here.... 

But Prometheus seemed to show only the Top was affected.

I also dont see any logical way those Urns get from that place in storage to being Bombed onto a Planet... Ridley did say about Dropping a Sh£% Load of Goo and what would happen.

But then Dropping may not have to mean Technically dropping the Urns... would a more convenient method be the urns are connected to a Mechanism that Activates them so they can be Sprayed onto a Planet?

I agree BigDave in regards to the black goo deployment.

lately I have been thinking that the Engineers in Prometheus were off to destroy planets populations.  Perhaps Paradise was destroyed from other visiting Juggernauts housed at LV-223.  I have said in other posts that the dead creatures in the trailer look like the people in Jonestown who ingested Cyanide and had a very painful death. Could it be mass-suicide?

Davefried81, I am crafting theory on pure speculation with what we see in the trailer images. So, the mass Engineer death on Paradise could have been from an attack from others or an event like you describe. Yes, the sea of bodies does resemble the very tragic event that was Jonestown.

What we can say with some certainty is that there were many Engineers that died on Paradise at the same time and it looks like they were in great pain getting there.

Black goo weapon storage, Inhalation Effects, Test Planets

Here are captures from the Weyland Classified files in regards to black goo effects from both inhaling and ingesting. I saw portions of this infographic in other topics, thank you for pointing this out. 

I haven't completed my employee training on the Weyland Industries website so this classified material was revealed by noble sources online.

The physical effects described above are similar to the effects (please see Inhalation_Effects above) shown to the inhabitants of Paradise below.

Those are interesting facts, Ingeniero. Wich makes me think about the picture with the urns stacked close together. (I tried to upload the picture but somehow it's not possible right now) It says in the field note that the urns are to be kept apart with a space of 96.52 centimeters. And that it is important. Could it be that the stacked ones are empty, like spent casings?

Parkerparrot, I'm sure every detail of the classified notes has some significance. I'll back over it again and review the details.

"It says in the field note that the urns are to be kept apart with a space of 96.52 centimeters. And that it is important. Could it be that the stacked ones are empty, like spent casings?"

I'm sure the 96.52 centimeters has significance some where but spent casing would have a disrupted lid like the ones below.

I bet all of these below in stacks are full and ready for use.

And David 8 knows how to operate the ship.

That is my humble opinion.

David 8 uses "black bombs", see below.

"David, who was nothing but a severed robot head by the end of 'Prometheus,' is now fully operational in a complete body, and comes out to observe the crowd from a deck on the ship. It’s then that the ship unspools black bombs that cover the entire civilization in a black ooze that melts their bodies."

http://www.thewrap.com/new-alien-covenant-footage-reveals-link-prometheus-spoilers/

See Alien: Covenant set photo below.

Ingeniero

Wow! I have not seen that set photo before! Disturbing.

Yes, I saw the great spoiler! If it's not a april fools thing, wich I don't think it is. 

Maybe the David coming out of the spaceship scene and the bombing of the humanoids are separate scenes, cut together? I mean, a trailer is not allways edited according to how things will evolve in the picture, right?

I would not have read to much into that Weyland Report as it contradicts itself and what we was shown in the Movie, not only as far as the effects but also how to store the Urns as clearly those stored on the Juggernaught are closer than 96.52 centimeters 

As for the last post.... indeed i think it now shows us the Ship drops the Urns like Bombs, if this report is correct which i cant think of any reason why it is not.

We see no prove of any Urns in any of the shots, so i hope they have a good explanation or show that the dropped Urns completely dissolve or explode leading no Traces.

I do find the reports to be a bit conflicting as if different sets of people saw slightly different things happening.

Regardless i think there is that big question of those Pompeii style victims because many bodies still lie in this state when the Covenant Crew Arrives which indeed contradicts what the Black Goo does.

The only explanation is a secondary Weapon was used to Halt the Spread of the Black Goo that resulted in the Pompeii style scenes.

UNLESS John Logan completely ignores Prometheus and what it showed and does not care for Alien Franchise and they decided to come up with a Lazy Ass Way to explain it all that contradicts so much we have seen from Previous movies.

Great point on the urns storage BigDave.

I wasn't sure on the source of the urns image, that you for the heads-up. I'll cross-reference any data points lifted from the Weyland-Yutani Report. I just ordered a copy along with the Alien and Alien 3 novelizations. 

"Regardless i think there is that big question of those Pompeii style victims because many bodies still lie in this state when the Covenant Crew Arrives which indeed contradicts what the Black Goo does."

Yes, I would expect that the charred bodies to be gone from the effects of the black goo by the time the Covenant crew arrives.

One thing we learned from the Prometheus trailers was that the content was cut for maximum confusion (end of the movie shown first with juggernaut explosion). So, I would think the Alien: Covenant screenplay writing should be up to snuff with the 5 year delay in between movies, script re-write, etc...hopefully laziness didn't find a place in the story writing. I would expect John Logan to reinforce Prometheus concepts. 

Didn't I read that they recreated the Prometheus set for Alien: Covenant?

@Ingeniero

Yes, I think that it is the inside of the Juggernought that You are thinking of, right?

Has it actually been shown some where that the Covenant crew encounter charred bodies?

Parkerparrot, I believe that it shows charred bodies at night but I can't think of a sequence that showed the Covenant crew encountering dead Engineers (may be conflicting reports as BigDave pointed out). 

I just saw Your new thread! Nice pictures!!

Raining urns.

I guess David 8 let his hair grow out after the attack (above) on Paradise.

The presumed two Engineer ships operated by David 8 and Dr. Elizabeth Shaw on Paradise are below.

Indeed makes sense David leaves his Hair to Grow, as it seemed in a Shot from the earlier Trailers with the cloaked figure.

We can clearly see Davids Clothing underneath and unless its a bit of Lazy Research, and a Oversight... i wonder if they have a reason for this as David was only wearing a Plain Grey T-Shirt under his Space Suit at the end of Prometheus.

As far as the other Ship... is it a Ship? is it a docking system?

And we have to ask did this ship come from Paradise or where ever this World is?  If indeed it is another Ship, and David and Shaw are flying one each this would logically mean they obtained the Ship before this Shot, or maybe even prior to arriving at this place and David taught her how to use it?

BigDave, my timing is still obviously off.

If the bodies are still present when the Covenant crew arrives on Paradise and David's hair is short when the urns rain down then how is his hair long when walking through the grass if this is when the Covenant crew is present?

David is talking to Oram above with short brown hair.

I still say this is David 8 engaging someone other than the Covenant crew (above and below) in the cloak with long blond hair.

Happy Easter everyone.

Thank you BigDave for your Planet 4 topic (see here) covering the time period (Alien: Awakening) that we project related to the David 8 images above. I'll post all my analysis in regards to this on your topic concentrating on this time period.

Again, have a wonderful day everyone. Every gift you ever wanted or needed is celebrated today. I wish the best of health to each of you and nothing but success in what you do.

Happy Easter Ingeniero! And everybody else! And You were totaly right about the long hair on the cloaked figure!!

Thank you and likewise Parkerparrot. I'm going to perform a study on this hair...funny but I believe it is very revealing.

i cant be the only one whose noticed a similarity to the ship/docking system/wtf is that thing and the creature from the mural in the ampule chamber...  also i've only just acknowledged that the humanoid in this is wearing clothes... 

Great example waftlord. I can now see the arms folded around bent knees with some kind of head in between the knees of the creature on the bottom. The creature (if so) is so hard to make out but you can see the biomechanical esthetic on the arms.

Yes, very similar Engineer esthetic across both images. Could the larger ship also be hidden on LV-223?

My guess is that David and Shaw aquired that ship on a yet unknown world, and that story is what we might get to see in Alien: Awakening...

Does David 8 rain urns down on those below from multiple openings in the Engineer ship he arrives in?

There appears to be multiple openings in the ship David 8 is standing in.

I wonder if the new ship is actually in the foreground in this picture.  Edges are sharper than the juggernaut.  Also, if it were just above the hole, where is the huge shadow on the mountain behind it?  Sun is directly to the right according to pillar shadows on the ground (although I cannot find the juggernaut shadow either).  I think the juggernaut is near the hole as it is about the same size and the doors look like the ones from Prometheus.  Maybe this is a shot of the other ship flying towards the center of city from our perspective?  Just a thought.

Thank you KurtisRay.

You are able to see the shadow underneath the huge craft on the bottom of the original pic on the buildings. I had most of the edge of the shadow cropped out where you were unable to see it.

The rounded-bulbous portion of the craft above might house a giant spool of a great number of black goo urns that are piped out the openings like the one David 8 is standing in below.

Is this what happens to those below resulting from David 8's attack?

I took the HD scan image and enhanced it.

Engineer ship scan enhanced.

With regards to David 8 here is how i see this connection.

David arrives at this World (maybe its Paradise, if its not then i would assume they went to Paradise prior) The Bombardment happens.

Many years pass by while David conducts experiments, leading to Davids Hair Growing.

There is the potential for a alternative in that this Bombardment happens less than 10 years prior to Alien Covenant, as it appears David may have had access to more fresh Engineer related Corpses.

But thats for a different debate...

I assume safely that as the Covenant Crew are getting attacked by the Neomorph ('s) that David turns up in that cloak and releases a Flair (where he get this Earth Weapon is another debate) and then he reveals himself.

I would think that it is latter after David and Walter meet that David has his Blonde Hair Cut.

As far as the Creature from Prometheus Fresco, i hope this gets explained to some degree as the Frescos was making some kind of connection to it and the Eggs, and the fresco had that Prometheus Punishment look to it.

If we go back to Alien and the Derelict and the Xenomorph and the Hive in Aliens, then Aesthetically the Xeno and Derelict shared a connection Genetically, it was like there was some connection.  HR Gigers Mural had a Derelict Shaped Object that was constructed from what looks like a Xenomorph this is a hint that he thought the Xeno and Ship had a Genetic Connection.  HR Giger felt the Ship was Grown and was like a Plant, and his idea was the Ship Produced the Eggs, in the Egg Silo via Pregnant Bio-Mechanical Bellies...

But seems Prometheus toned down the Bio-Mechanical elements and Alien Covenant looks to follow suit... in that Xenomorph related DNA is Less Synthetic/Mechanical and more Organic, while the Ships are less Organic and ore Synthetic/Mechanical.

A Merger of the Organic Origin of the Xenomorph and the more Mechanical Engineer Ships would indeed lead to the Derelict and Xenomorph in Alien... But we cant be sure if this is a route they will be going or a route they will show us how things once was and the Technology has been Re-engineered to separate the Organics into the Black Goo and Mechanics to make the Juggernauts

I will now attempt to tackle the Dilemma of the Bombardment from Davids point of view.

The above TWO Images are labeled as Follows.

A) Pilot Chamber/Orrey Room

B) Area where the Space Jockey suits are.

C) Potentially the Cargo Hold David Walks through.

D) Potentially another Cargo Hold

E) Another Cargo Hold?

So we have to try and work out which of these locations David could be standing at.

From this image we see where David is in relation to where the Cargo of Urns are falling from, i have pinpointed a Object of Importance to his Left hand Side (A) looking at the image next to it where we can see the Juggernaught, could it be Object B on this image?

It does not seem to match to me, and it cant be objects  C, D and E as they would appear on his Right side, which we see nothing.

But if we get the ship completely wrong and dont assume David is facing the direction the Arms of the ship are at, if he was facing towards the rear of the ship (that could actually be the front) then he would then not be able to spot A, B, C, D or E.

So could it be F, as in the Floor Space if this disappears, i have used the next image as a example, of F (Floor space giving way) and D where David could be. 

This above section example could apply to either side of the Pilot Chamber i used this side to make the point as the other side is obstructed to point out what i was getting at.

The other option is if we consider the last image posted in the previous reply  where i have circled in Orange the Cargo Bay opening and David with a D and the Floor giving way with F

If we apply this logic to any of the Cargo Hold Potentials on the Left Side Facing out on the Juggernaught labeled C, D or maybe E  and then Assume what if the Juggernaught is docked to Area C or B or about (Circled Area below D) of the Scorpion Ship/Dock then maybe this explains that view?

The only other Explanation could be if the Bombardment happens from the Scorpion Ship/Dock itself...

But then the Question is how does the Cargo get to this Scorpion Ship/Dock,  surely it does not have the Cargo Itself as why would the Engineers be as foolish to Store it on a Ship on Paradise or this World.

Secondly if the Cargo is Transported from the Juggernaught to the Scorpion Ship/Dock then thats odd as we have to assume the Juggernaught can unload its Payload without the Help of that Scorpion Ship/Dock

The other option would be that the Scorpion Ship/Dock also never came from this Place and David and Shaw acquired it from someplace else... if we Assume the Bombardment is unloaded from it.

HOWEVER....

I conclude that the Juggernaught must Dock with the Scorpion Ship/Dock at about Point D on the image posted above.