Female Engineers?

As far as the image of Jacques Pierre i have compared the two and to me the Eyes and Ears are a bit different especially the Eyes.

So i would assume this is not the Female that was highlighted for this Topic, we cant be 100% on that though.

As for the Cap Wearing being, thats interesting too and also looks Female..

We cant be sure if this shot has Females not everyone is facing the Camera... what we do know is somewhere near the Courtyard and either piled up towards and near the Gate, and also the Cathedral Entrance appear to be dead beings that are 100% Female.

Everyone has some very interesting ideas. I hope we get some proper answers to it all. Cant wait. 

They are Asexual. Also, I'm going with they only breed for reproduction. The Arcturians from Aliens the Colonial Marines were having sex encounters with. It would explain the reasons for the breeding attempts

All the models are male. I'm going with Asexual because not once have we seen a female engineer. Also for seeding a Planet, wouldn't a female a female provide a better seeder than a male with her mother and fathers potentials shared Moore evenly. Unlike males share 70%of their mothers RNA. It's why I believe they are Asexual, like the debugger was intended

Arcturians

The Arcturians are not asexual nor are they aliens...

was never a war. The whole society is asexual. They have weaponry for defense. They created most of the life they know of or could kill others. The engineer we know is born from the Black Goo it's self. It's a hybrid augmented by a diluted version probably parts per millionth. But his skin and size allowed him to survive on LV 223 surface no helmet.

They are asexual and created to seed worlds with their dna for the sake of regrouping their God, creator and his world. That's why they created mankind and those other worlds. It was never a war. That's human. They have a purpose. They render a white Xeno. The Neomorph. They need a black xeno. They found a black xeno when took Mary from human duo sexual reproduction, remember Adam was one sex and perfect. Now they found their Black Xeno but had no Idea she would Produce Eggs and they would hatch. They Froze Mary in the Head room as She Could resurrect their God , prepared the sacrifice of the Head and Ampules of ready Black Goo, and the Trapped Mary Xeno, remember Mary was taken into Heaven whole.... that wasn't a Mural but an actual Xeno, the ULTRAMORPH. THE HUMANS DISTURBED HER CYCLE. LV 223 was suppose be where mankind would sacrifice themselves to her and the Engineer would sacrifice Earth. The true purpose of Mark nd. No one creates for reason. All creations have a purpose.

They never had a war. They would have blasted the Juggernaut out the Sky. I'm going with the Ultramorph was on the Juggernaut and caused the Crash and laid the Eggs.the holes are from acid not crash.

Here are Females, they can be seen in a few other shots too, but i agree the Live Footage of Not Dead beings its hard to confirm Females.

Likely these beings are the Engineer's new and improved humans, which is why they want to destroy us. They made a better model. Similar to David and Walter. There are females because they are similar to us, but probably favored by the Engineers (gods). These aren't the Engineers themselves.

As far as the War etc, we dont know 100% what route they are taking this was the whole Scope of the Sequel and how Prometheus had set down clues, it was so ambiguous that its hard to figure what connections are.

So everyone can have their own theories and its not really 100% possible to discredit or proof them, its all part of the fun debating and its a matter of time before we get some things cleared up.

I still think the Paradise lost Theme will be loosely explored. But this can be fitted in a number of ways, because Paradise Lost showed us.

*A God the Superior Being who created those below him which include the Angels and Mankind, and in context to the Franchise this God could be Gods, it could be a Hierarchy and we dont know how many levels, so we could see Elders ==> Engineers but then there could be layers above the Elders and we have to wonder is there ONE being who is at the very Top who we may never meet.

*Angels a servant creation of God (Hierarchy) where there are a few different Castes, some of these Rebelled when God (Hierarchies) Favored Angel had Rebelled.  There was a War between this Rebellious Angel and his Followers and those Angels who sided with God.  The Fallen Angels defeated and cast out of Heaven and so they made their own Kingdom in Hell.  In Terms of the Franchise the LV-223 Engineers appear to play the role of Fallen Angels.

*Mankind (Adam and Eve) Created after the Rebellion but they too had gone against Gods will and are cast out of Paradise.  In context to the Franchise, this could be Humans, it may not have to be those on Earth.

That is the Nuts and Bolts of it all, but we do not know how many Factions/Layers of Engineer Castes there are, we do not know how many variations/generations of Mankind are at play and we can not be 100% sure if the Elders are merely just older Engineers who act as the Hierarchy, or if they are a different but related Race to Engineers or indeed if there is other Races above the Elders.

Hopefully these things may be touched upon in Alien Covenant.

bigdave - you have some mind getting all that going on!

i think you are about there by saying it may relate to the paradise lost theme loosely.  

im just wondering if they maybe a twist (of course) where we would have to look at the order of it all.

like u said the engineers 223 seem to be the fallen angels etc...

as far as the elders, for now, we can only assume that they are the highest order, over engineers 223 and the beings in the city.

it is likely there is another force which alien: covenant may touch on but for now we can only debate!

the bird faced character from the mural (if indeed they exist ?)

seems to put them below engineers 223 but again im no further forward on this.  

any thoughts on that characters possible link or any other mention towards it in any story / interviews ?????????

after my comments on the 3 types of engineers, saying that the engineers 223 were creations made by the elders....

@seanjohn said "ive read somewhere the engineers grow humanoids in pods"(or close)

now my thoughts on engineers223 are they were created by the elders as an organic creation

if they indeed ARE grown in pods (? rumoured) would that link to the alien incubation/birth cycle in some way? 

(of course they not grown in pods too)

Indeed we cant be sure which way they are going...

If we look at it from the Start of the idea here is what we have.

Spaights introduced us to the Engineers Humanoid beings who seemed to seed life in a Benevolent Act it makes no identification of Elder/Engineers. 

Of Note... Seeding Ships are Pyramids.

Lindeloffs draft Makes the distinction between Elders and Engineers.

Of Note... Seeding Ships are Juggernaught Shape.

This Evolved to Prometheus where the Seeding Ship became the Teardrop and we saw the Engineer and Elders.  But the Theatrical Cut removed the Elders because Ridley Scott did not want to meet the Gods in the first movie and was a bit disappointed with how the Elder Scene came across.

so this gave us a insight of some kind of Hierarchical Order which seems to be that some Race/Being was above the Engineers, it now seems with AC we are shown the Hall of Heads which look like Elders, so these are maybe the Hierarchical Superiors 

But we dont know in what context...

1) Are they similar but a different Race who create the Engineers in their Image and so would be like the Anunnaki/Igigi and God/Angels kind of Caste System?

2) Are they more like the Greek Gods where we have Titans and Olympians where the latter are actual Children of the Titans?

3) Are the Hierarchical Order similar to how Ancient Egypt was as in the Pharaohs and Mankind.

4) Or a more simplistic approach and the Elders are just that, the very oldest and wisest of the same Race, like Tribal Elders on Earth.

Right now i would say the Superior Beings in the Hall of Heads and Sacrificial Engineer Relationship has to be one of those 4.

Shaw wonders who created them (Engineers) this would be a interesting Topic if Option 3 or 4 are what we are shown as far as the Superior Beings/Apostles in the Hall of Heads are, as we can then ponder who indeed created them.

The Source i had from over 2 years ago claimed the Order of Creation is Multi-layered and Creation did not start with the Engineers (they was created) and does not end with David (so he creates something), but they also hinted that those who created the Engineers are also not at the Top of the Chain.

As far as the Beings being Grown in Stasis Pods, i am not sure if its mentioned any place else...  But this was what the Source had claimed... They said one concept showed Pods a bit like the Matrix Scene, where Humanoid Babies where being Grown.

They did not explain the connection and who these beings are, but if indeed the LV-223 Engineers are Grown like Clones then this could be how its done.

The Source did say that David has a lot in common with the LV-223 Engineers, which explains why there was a look of pity before David got his head taken off.

I cant voucher if any of this is True, but it has made me wonder where those Human Baby Skulls came from in Alien Covenant.

As far as the Fresco...

I have always seen it as Prometheus Punishment, without getting into to deep details.  And i wonder if the result of this Punishment allowed the Engineers to witness the Birth of a Creature that they then decided to Experiment on.

Turning a Intended Punishment towards them, into a Weapon for them.

If Experiments from this, lead to the Deacon which they then considered the Perfect Creation, this would show us why the Deacon Mural is Worshiped and held in high regard.

Its a attempt to create Perfection, and also praised because it allowed Engineers to Give Birth to New Life, something which they may have Lost... or if they are Clones something which their creators had Lost or simply the Engineers purpose was to be Sacrificed to seed worlds to eventually lead to Humanoids that could Give Birth.

But the Engineers found a way they could now do so themselves, but this is not a traditional Pregnancy but sometimes to Create One Must Destroy.

@big dave - 

your theory around "the fresco" (?) is impressive.

my thinking is the way the bird faced creature is positioned it is almost like it is curled up with its head down seemingly a child like pose as if leaning in towards its parent / god.  or even a master who they are scared of.

which could connect that somehow the engineers 223 who were possibly a creation themselves, somehow managed to create something because  though they had no way of reproducing themselves (as seeders intro prometheus) they found a way by using the black goo and possibly another ingredient to create life but NOT in their own image.  and this may of been when things started to go wrong.

so if their are multiple creator / creation layers this could be another link to that ????

Hi Foxxy_User very interesting statement (I like it.) would you mind to expand into further detail on this please?

Posted Apr-24-2017 5:46 PM

The Arcturians are not asexual nor are they aliens...

Well,  I think Ridley must have copied this scene from either the Life of Brian or Monty Python and the Holy Grail, lets face it the engineers did not do 'peasant'.

I've read Alien:Sea Of Sorrows wich is considered canon as far as I am aware.

 Excerpt from the Book:

"We’re talking a find that may be bigger than anything we’ve run across since first contact with the Arcturians.”
Chatter erupted throughout the group, and Decker felt a sudden wave of excitement that washed over him like a wave. The Arcturians had been the first alien race mankind had encountered, and those initial meetings had marked a turning point for the human race."

I think this makes it clear Arcturians are not human colonists.

Not long now and we will find out, as has been put forth before they could be androgyn or a 2 sex race, i have noticed some look bewildered while looking up, some surprised and some with angry looks on their dials, can't wait to see what fully goes down in this scene.

AC official opening date here in oz is May 11, the tv stations were hammering the advert. out on monday night(fist pumping everytime it was shown during ad breaks.)lol!

@sherris

Indeed thats how  i interpreted it, the pose seems the same the way  Prometheus and the Engineer are looking down the Scar on the abdomen.

The only difference is the Fresco Creature is in a pose that seems either submissive or fetal, which could hint at some control over it.. and that it could be a offspring.

But it could mean the intended Punishment actually lead to those Engineers maybe having some control/dominion over them, it would be like someone sending a Pack of Wolves at you but then you manage to Tame them as Pets to then do your bidding.

The Source i had did say in Context to Paradise Lost Poem and how it connects, that the Event of some of the Fallen Angels being turned into Serpents as Punishment after the Fall, leads to freedom from Bondage.  I guess that can kind of fit.

Another interesting thing... is this Creature seems to look like O'Bannons idea for the Organism in Alien before they turned to HR Giger.

As far as the Arcturians they was not the first Alien, the first complex life found was in Prometheus but indeed these events was never known when Alien and Aliens was made and so its a case of the Prometheus Mission is likely a Wipe Under the Carpet Event the Company wishes to keep Secret.

Story wise it's said that Weyland went missing. Even among WY-Personnel, at least the lower ranks.

i still thinking for me, the civilisation in the city

this race are a creation like humans, created as at start of prometheus

they still have contact with their gods (unlike humans, that stopped, maybe 2000 years ago.).

the gods are the elders

there seems to be some sort of sacrifice and worship going on.

they have / had contact with engineers223 at some point as they recognise ship.  maybe that stopped for a time IF the elders and the engineers223 had a stand off or war (unknown)

i know empire said "engineer city" (or close) but i am sticking with this

big dave

thank you for the fresco detail and the pre giger pick i never knew existed. so i guess you thought that they might be more to this than a coincidence???? or no?????

another life form or ridley maybe remembered it and was used as inspiration for this creature, either way i speculating we see this creature or hear of it in alien: covenant and i hope others in more detail.

thank you