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Dr. Elizabeth Shaw repairing David 8 on the Engineer craft.

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Dr. Elizabeth Shaw repairing David 8 on the Engineer craft.

I believe all of this segment when Dr. Shaw is repairing David 8 is part of Alien: Awakening. 

Ridley Scott said it was a "piece from the world of Alien."

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How bad can the engineers be though? They were going to wipe earth out, ok, thats bad, but david and shaw know that and seem to have let it go during their journey. I can only imagine they get intercepted along the line and are secretly working for the engineers all along, since they want to wear their robes and play with their goo.

does it make sense that they are looking forward to meeting them, still, and them decide to wipe them out? Maybe they are 'given' the planet to 'play' with by the big bad david meets in space.

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I believe the hologram sequence that we saw before is a recording of the below sequence where Dr. Shaw and David 8 are working together.

Dr. Shaw appears to be smiling the exact same way in both the hologram and the image below it of the actual event recorded.

I had questioned why Dr. Shaw continued to look up during the hologram sequence and that is explained by her communicating with David 8 in the Engineer pilot's seat.

After seeing how David 8 took such care of her once she repaired him, I now believe that she could be alive somewhere safe or in hypersleep because David 8 put her there. Who knows but I don't think he killed her off now.

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Here are closer cropped segments of the image above.

 

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I does look like both Dr. Shaw and David 8 both dipped into the Engineers' wardrobe.

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My theory is that she is alive, maybe in a jerry rigged hypersleep capsule, or on another ship, underground on the planet. That would mean she would try and get off the planet. 

The covenant crew only seem to get affected on the planet if they disrupt the spores, otherwise the air is breathable, so shaw could easily survive, but would david let xenos off the leash if they would harm elizabeth?

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In his introduction to The Crossing, Sir Ridley described it as a bridging sequence between Prometheus and Alien [Covenant] 

The impression I got was that it would be included in Covenant.

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Lets assume for a moment, that Dr. Shaw survives in the movie, but remains in hypersleep. Could the title Alien: Awakening for the next movie be referring to Shaw's awakening from hypersleep and possibly meeting with Engineers in the next movie? We shall soon find out if she survives.

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I am sure David spoke with the plastinated engineer prior to him being dissected.  I still think Shaw is sick.  Maybe the trilobite infection did something to her body causing her to get sick.  Also didn't they have a quick dialogue before he put her to sleep about them "as long as they are not worse" than humans?

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Rick seeing her in the cinema, Shaw did indeed look poorly, she was sweating, hard dark patches around and under her eyes and appeared pretty dishevelled!

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OOPS double post

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"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

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I agree, I think she's sick as well.

But, man there's so many things we don't know, it's frustrating haha.

As another has said in this thread, it seems David learnt all about the Engineers during the trip to their planet.

But I have to wonder if Shaw was complicit in bombing the heck out of them.

I still believe the engineers see us as nothing more than an experiment, to be terminated and for them to try again

To them, 2000 years might be like us baking a loaf of bread in the oven, it not rising correctly and us starting again, to make it perfect.

The Prometheus planet was basically the "reset" tool for planets which hadn't worked out as planned, given that there were multiple ships, they've obviously been seeing multiple planets over a long time and they return to each planet every X years to see it's progress.

They probably consider this planet in Covenant, "Paraside", because it's their perfect planet, where they are worshipped by their creation

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the planet where they come back to hand pick an individual to seed another planet, like the one we saw in the beginning of Prometheus.

That docking platform was moving automatically to the centre of that big area and the hangar doors were opening, I assume the elders would then come down in a shuttle pod or something similar.

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I tried to zoom in a little and enhance the areas the sequence focuses on.

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@Grinning & Dropping Linen

Indeed i had discussed the same too, in that forgetting everything after Prometheus and only looking at the last scene we saw when she got his head..

Shaw has nothing left to live for, the only thing is her Faith, her whole Religion had been put into question, these beings who she thought would be Benevolent Gods, are not... she would rather take the Chance of Death (as we all will) to get her answers than to die of old age and never know.

David however, he has desires to Live, he was finally Free, i am sure he wants to survive and gain more experiences and knowledge and even maybe has a Agenda?

He would know going to the Engineers and facing them would face possible risks...

*Do they have defenses to take them (Shaw and David) down

*If they fool the Engineers, eventually they would have to come face to face, and then what happens then?

David does not understand why Shaw needs her answers, but you can bet David is not content at being a Headless Corpse.  And then to risk this again.

He would know that in the ruins of the Engineers Culture he could gain some Answers, and so Destroying them and then Salvage what ever answers he could... would be the most Logical Thing for him to do.

There is a Chance he can get the answers this way, if not well it does not matter to him.

He would want to explore the Engineers Technology more, and with them Dead then he is left to it all to himself...

So if he has a Agenda... he would now be GOD...

But turning up to Face the Engineers, has a greater risk of David eventually being turned into a In-operational Tin Can.

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However... now we have the Prologue we can see that indeed it would appear its a matter of Months before David gets put back together, in which time Shaw is cautious and David has to build her confidence and persuade her..  Wise move by Shaw.

But it appears during this Process, David grows Fond of her and how she treats him how many he had always wanted to be accepted by Mankind.

If we assume they thus dont leave right away, then indeed when Shaw is in Cryo-sleep.

That Plan i mentioned prior would be in his mind, he would be weighing up the Odds of Survival and Answers Face to Face.

So he could find things from the Ship, or even leave the ship and explore a Temple and Study these things in more depth... from this he could indeed get some ANSWERS...

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BigDave, it does appear months (not years) later that David 8 puts Dr. Shaw into hypersleep. 

"But it appears during this Process, David grows Fond of her and how she treats him how many he had always wanted to be accepted by Mankind.

If we assume they thus dont leave right away, then indeed when Shaw is in Cryo-sleep."

It does not look too long after Dr. Shaw went to sleep (above) that David 8 attacked those with the juggernaut (below).

 

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Here are closer looks at the supplies of some kind, an open book, and tools next to David 8 in repair are apparent in the below images.

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An enhanced version of the beautiful Dr. Elizabeth Shaw.

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David 8 came with a Haynes Manual lol

As far as the time Shaw goes into the Cryo-Pod to David Bombardment not being long due to his hair, his hair has not grown in these scenes much since Prometheus but Shaws has.

I would assume Davids grows longer, i will assume that these scenes from when She collected his Body to when she goes into Cryo-sleep (regardless if this time between is in Space or on LV-223) is a matter of Months i would say at least 6 Months up to 12 Months, i would then also assume the journey to where they ended up must have taken no more than a Year.

Potentially much much less... because we can assume the Covenant takes up to 5 years otherwise it would be a Post Weyland-Yutani Ship. I can see the Juggernaut being vastly quicker.

So i will assume David has misled Shaw, maybe because there is another reason he wants her asleep... either for his Agenda... or maybe because he senses something is not well with her and he wishes to put her in Cryo-sleep to safeguard her well being but he does not wish to tell her this.

I would assume for Davids hair to grow by the time the Covenant arrives he has spend most of the last 10 years on that Planet.

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I agree with bigdave, David must either remember his secret objective of obtaining all alien tech for weyland, or decides himself to get the knowhow for an attack.

its so bold to attack an entire civilisation with one ship. There must be a lot more to it.

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