Not a good sign for Alien: Covenant sequel

Frankly, David is just another angry AI out to work the same, tired trope of 'KILL ALL HUMANS'...lame, worn-out, and cliche`.
David, Skynet, Cylons, etc..
Yeah, David's not original, he's just a Dr. Mengele/Moreau twist on a worn-out and cliche` theme.

Hardly surprised. They toss out the most interesting aspect of the film in the engineers and turn it into another mind-numbing, stalk-and-kill sci-fi monster movie with the same tired ending we've seen in every alien movie.

The only ones they have to blame is themselves.

This movie is the one that made the most damage to the franchise. It just didn't just divide the audience. It killed the interest in the franchise of many fans and casual movie goers. It perpetuated the concept that Alien is some kind of pretentious and incoherent rehash of sci fi tropes that exists merely on the promise of bigger and better things to come. 

The real problem is the vast majority of people could care less about David ....read around the net, read YouTube comments, etc. I understand that's where Scott has taken the story and for some it's very interesting....but most people don't get it, don't want to get it. Imagine seeing this film if you had not seen Prometheus lol

Well, that's what a lot of people are doing, and they have no idea what is happening. You could see ALIENS without seeing ALIEN and it would work just fine on a Friday night. Not so with this. This is cult picture, not one for the masses. "Pirates" is going to really cut into it's profits.

Great response Ocean.  Fassbender is a great actor but to extend his role as David is uncalled for.  Honestly, I think Ash (when you finally realize he is one) and Bishop were more compelling androids.  Bishop came back in Alien3 but we know he was the human that the android was modeled from.

David is better than Call.

I don't complain about the stupidity of the characters. I complain about the stupidity of the writers and their rote plot devices. Mistaken identity? What's next, amnesia?... Wait, I think that is what they have in store for us in the next one.

You can actually make great movie where everybody is a moron. Fargo is the living proof of that.

joylitt

I completely agree with you Re: your statement below.

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I don't complain about the stupidity of the characters. I complain about the stupidity of the writers and their rote plot devices. Mistaken identity? What's next, amnesia?... Wait, I think that is what they have in store for us in the next one.

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I loved ALIEN: COVENANT even if there were flaws and cliche moments in an Alien movie. I'm hoping this is the last one. I kinda want the Space Jockey to always be a mystery. PROMETHEUS made the Space Jockey less a mystery with the engineers and what happened on LV-223..So we'll see if a sequel does get made and hopefully David doesn't turn out to be the Space Jockey..That would just be lazy writing...

I love the comments on here being driven by pure out of control emotion. It's hilarious, if a little pathetic

Blackwinter-witch I am glad to find out that you avoid using those tropes in your stories :-)

@Joylitt, Fargo is awesome.

joylitt

TY for saying!

I HATE tropes and such, because when writers fall back on such, all they're proving is that they're lazy and think they can slip off some half-assed work that when dressed up with SfX they'll get away with.

IF I do an AI story, it won't involve tropes, I have an idea for a story that'll hopefully get people talking and discussing it for a long time.
BUT, it won't be set in the ALIENverse.

It's not easy doing original works, but that's part of being a writer, which a lot of screenwriters seem to forget or dismiss.

Right now, I'm sincerely hoping that the stories I'm working towards completion on will act as a 'wound dressing' for members of the fanbase and forum.
I know a LOT of folks are feeling betrayed, some even broken-hearted by what ALIEN: Covenant IS vs. what was promised.

Bit disappointing for the movie... seems to be making 40% less than Prometheus... but there is still time.. Sad really when you consider FOX only allowed about $110M Budget some even saying its $97M and also having the movie that has to stick to about 2 hours..

Those fans who moaned about no Xenomorph, who forced the direction... they could have gone with the Engineers, then brought in Xeno links at the end... setting up Xenos for the next movie... But FOX knew that fans would want Xenomorphs, and if not and this movie failed to impress... how are they going to push a 3rd movie with the Xenomorph back into it..

So i understand the route they took... Problems we had here are.

Alien Fans.. disappointed that the Android created the Xenomorphs and now it looks like the Space Jockey will be a Human or Synthetic.

Aliens Fans (Franchise as whole) maybe disapointed the movie had to cover Prometheus a bit... and that the Xenomorphs did not appear long enough and felt rushed... both in screen time, how they came to be and also some of the CGI...  Also it was not as Bio-Mechanical

Prometheus fans would have been disappointed it did not give answers, and contradicted the movie a bit, and well stuff just did not look the same (Engineers).

So you have Prometheus fans concerned the movie would not cover it much and be a Fanboy Service Flick.....   You had Alien Franchise Fans who some was disappointed with Prometheus who felt the movie could be a Prometheus 2 more than Alien Prequel.

So fans would have had a bit of a split opinion on what to expect... and the movie tried to please both sets of fans.. but ultimately did a bit of disservice to both sets of fans.

Oh another thing... is Ridley Scotts comments set fans up for a disapointment....

Scare the S%$^ out of people... yet it was not that Scary and so some fans would have felt a bit disappointed.

Ridley for years preferred Practical rather than CGI, why our Engineers did not look 10ft tall.... a lot of Prometheus was Practical with some CGI Gloss...   so i think fans was disappointed that we got a lot of CGI as opposed to Practical Effects..

Yet they did work on a fair bit of Props.... i think Budget Effected this...  if they had not have U-Turn during Production.. as far as change of story... or they had been given another 3-4 months so we would have to wait say until October for the movie... and a Extra $50M Budget and extra 30-40min Screen time...

Then who knows how much better it would have been.

I'll hang on until the bitter end, but I admit I don't like where this direction is headed and I think it's ultimately going to kill the dark mystery and lovecraftian feel of the ALIENverse...and that'll be that.

It's becoming increasingly hard to stay positive about the ALIENverse in general.

I will say this.  I saw AC on Thursday night during the early release (U.S.) and it was almost empty.  I went again Saturday night and it wasn't even half full.  Really shocking to say the least and I do share some concerns about the future of the franchise.  I guess we'll have to wait and see how the numbers play out.  

I am not worried about the people who did not attend. I am worried about all those who attended and will never again pay to see another Alien movie.

@Blackwinter-witch

Indeed i think we have to accept, while some fans was disappointed the 15ft Space Jockey is  Space Suit for a 10ft (actually 7.5ft) Bald Humanoid Gods.. and they had the Black Goo that has connections to the Xenomorph..

As being disappointing compared to some very Alien Species (Space Jockey) who created the Eggs, or obtained them another way...

Now people who had a problem with what Prometheus was showing will now have to swallow the pill that David did it and that 18 years before Alien there was no Derelict, no Eggs on it.

Maybe they can have David be proud of his Creation... Perfection and then feel he is now a GOD because he created Perfection, without it going to Pot like how the Engineers Lost Control of their Black Goo and Weyland with David..

To then have David discover the Derelict and then actually the Engineers or another higher Race had actually created it thousands of years prior...

Be like David say a long time ago... in the UK he invents the Wheel and is over the moon... only to years latter find out someone in China actually beat him to it many years before.

I think this would have a effect on David, it would knock him off that High  Pedestal he has placed himself on... and that all he has done is Recreate the Xenomorph from the Black Goo that was obtained off the Original Xenomorphs...

But i doubt they will go this route.

I think its too early to tell yet.... and who knows what the DVD release with extras will add to the movie.

Right now i can see FOX and RS would be Gauging the following.

1) AC simply was not as Scary as they had been Marketing it as.

2) Fans was disappointed at how rushed the Xenomorph Scenes were and also the CGI that to a degree was disappointing.  Also not seeing the Xenomorph enough.

3) Some fans are disappointed about how it now looks like the Ancient Giant space Jockey, now cant be such.. if David created the Eggs.

4) Questions regarding what that Race on Paradise was... what purpose did this place and LV-223 have in connection, because the Homeworld lacked the Advanced Tech of LV-223

5) some was disappointed in how some Questions from Prometheus was brushed under the Carpet..

I think FOX will take 1+2 on board... 3 i think they may consider but ultimately this is the path they have chosen.  And 4+5 they would be using the ADF Prequel Book to answer those.

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BigDave

Well, no matter what the studio is irresponsible enough to do I'm going to keep my works centered around the 'sense of canon' that developed on it's own from the movie ALIEN.
Therein lies the core element, the 'feel', the Dark and Unknowable that we all fell in love with.

Frankly, and I hate to admit this to myself, it feels like the ALIEN franchise is going someplace...I just cannot go.

Hopefully my works will be seen as a 'preserve' of the original elements and aspects we all want to see a return to.