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*SPOILER ALERT* DAVID did NOT intentionally kill Dr. Shaw

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Now I know some of you will say; he did, but do we know when she died, some might point to the fact that her dog tags were hanging in the dreadnought as proof that she died before the bombing of the temple, but what wouldn't make sense then is why did the ship crash, and the ship doesn't have an auto pilot to our awareness and if it did why didn't the engineer use it in Prometheus when it would obviously be capable of evasive maneuvers and the crash would have nothing to do with fuel because regardless of the type of fuel it would still decay and since it had been on LV-223 for 2000 years, what I am saying is DAVID probably woke her up when they arrived at paradise and told her something that convinced her of the engineer's guilt as a species and they settled on the action they took, and the ship most likely had a ventilation system and seeing as how the black goo when we see it infecting the city it is airborne, so most likely since we also see the wind is entering the Dreadnought as DAVID's hair is waving as if there is wind, so the now airborne virus would most likely enter the ventilation and spread throughout and Dr. Shaw most likely was unfortunate enough to get infected and I believe the following scenario occurred so after two minutes she would begin feeling weak, dizzy, and tired, DAVID taking notice would get her into the med bay and the engineers probably had a form of life support, which DAVID would hook her up to, believing she can be saved knowing full well she is beyond recovery. Returning to the Pilot's chamber to possibly clear the ventilation system of the ship only to be interrupted by pained screams of Elizabeth as a Baby Neomorph bursts out of her stomach which begins eating her. DAVID then runs to check on Elizabeth to find her dead and the neomorph eating her, out of anger he kills the Neomorph and begins destroying the equipment once he has calmed down the ship then crashes DAVID then takes Dr. Shaw to the Engineer citadel to try and find some way to revive Dr. Shaw realizing that the body she has now is beyond repair so he begins work so that if she cannot live on that she at least be honored with what she couldn’t create he then returns to the dreadnought and grabs the remains of the neomorph and the ampules that didn’t deploy and returns, forgetting all about the dog tags that she had near her study space. When he gets back to the engineer citadel he begins researching the black goo believing that he can either use it to help Dr. Shaw live on in some manner or honor her, and finds that inside the black goo is DNA which he suspects is the DNA of the neomorph which he confirms and taking some DNA from Elizabeth and begins experimenting trying to create a life form to honor Elizabeth. If this doesn’t seem likely, I point to the fact that he spent time making a grave for her, and continuously take flowers to her grave. We even see him cry, and say “I Loved her, as much as you do Daniels.” now either he is a phenomenal actor or he actually cared which is supported by the way he speaks of her in the prologue footage "The Crossing" and the fact that when he finds the neomorph he tries to bond with it but when Oram kills it he gets pissed and takes him to the egg chamber but if he wanted to get a xenomorph the whole time he could have just taken one of the crew but he chose to save all of them and at the end he only brought two embryo's because of the fact that he didn't know lope had been facehugged and he didn't know how many people were part of the crew on the covenant and he began targeting them because he felt they had wronged him, because the way the way he acts is reminiscent of a child looking upon things he doesn't understand with curiosity like with the black goo in prometheus, and seeking approval and acceptance from either Weyland or the engineers in prometheus he had been denied left and right by everyone, looked down upon and cast aside, no one had respected him on the prometheus expedition, and no one trusted him from the covenant, that is why he brought only two facehugger embryos when he could have brought more and he knew there was 2000 colonists, if he wanted to he could have caused a lot more chaos if he wanted to but he didn't all he wanted was companionship someone who would look upon him with trust, love and respect. Keep that in mind when you rewatch Prometheus and Alien: Covenant.

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Tiwaz
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I wonder... When Shaw is lying on the workshop-table. Why the grave and why the flowers on it? 

Edit: Or should I say "If Shaw is lying..."? 

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tiwaz exactly

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re. the OP - I did think similar myself but it's so ambiguous in many ways that it's hard to be certain.

He said he killed her but given his mental state that could be due to guilt; as she may have died of other complications (black goo, Engineer retaliation etc) that he sees as ultimately being his fault, rather than a cold blooded attack.  This could well have been pivotal in further messing with his programming leading to the emotionally confused yet dangerously motivated David we find in AC.

The film does lead us though to believe that he killed her simply to experiment on her and as MJ points out above, it's hard to tell if the reasons for this are intentionally vague or just errors on the part of RS.

Sadly, I think this may be the last we see of this plot line and it's looking more and more like the derelict & SJ will be David or crashed due to his meddlings.

I do hope not though and that we get a big plot surprise in the next film(s).

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I think it's simply that David's love towards Shaw is never bigger than his desire to be the King. He is willing to sacrifice anything to reach his goal. Android is goal oriented. 

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David is a robot without any real human feelings. He may tell funny stories about his love to a human. But that's an instruction. This is just the order 937, bring the organism, crew expendable

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I disagree.  Daniels asked him "What are you going to do to me" and he responded "the same thing I did to her" (meaning Shaw).  This may not be a direct quote, but it evidences that David did something to Shaw.  I think he was angered that he could not create, that he was subservient to those beneath him, and that Shaw, in some way rejected his confused affections.

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ALIEN: Covenant

aka:

The Planet of Dr. Moreau with classic genocidal AI theme.

I trust R. Scott.
I do NOT trust FOX and their damned meddling and futzing about.

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@Resurgence -  Nope.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.  I watched Androids blow and finger each other's flutes.

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Phallic jaw nope what

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Nope to what you said last.  You forgotten already?  Lol

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.  I watched Androids blow and finger each other's flutes.

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Yeah I can be kind of forgetful sometimes but I wasn't sure about which post lol

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OK no worries, it's not worth getting upset over :-)

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.  I watched Androids blow and finger each other's flutes.

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Yeah. Lol

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Great analysis Resurgence.

"he wanted to he could have caused a lot more chaos if he wanted to but he didn't all he wanted was companionship someone who would look upon him with trust, love and respect."

In Prometheus, David 8 recognizes respect and most certainly notices disrespect. Dr. Shaw showed courtesy towards David 8 when he rescued her and Dr. Holloway in the storm on LV-223. The one human gift Peter Weyland said David 8 lacked was a "soul". I noticed this yearn to be recognized as human (closer to having a soul) in David 8 then.

"he began targeting them because he felt they had wronged him, because the way the way he acts is reminiscent of a child looking upon things he doesn't understand"

David 8 certainly displayed what you describe above when he asked Daniels if he kissed correctly. I believe Captain Oram delivered the best line of the movie when he put the green dot on David 8's chest. Oram then was targeted as you describe.

David 8's plans for December 8, 2104

(image above released in December 2016 with the associated number 185612082104)

The above image is Daniels 24 days into the mission on the Covenant.

Is this below room the Covenant ship on the surface of Paradise?   

I am not sure David 8 is contemplating a small measure of chaos with a great sound system, human embryos, two embryos of his creation, Engineer technology and black goo mutagen, and with access to 2,000 colonists.

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I speculate that the ship's crash was caused by Shaw attempting to stop David from his actions in "The Crossing," and that he truly did love Shaw and in his love for her wanted to help her become the best she could be (his idea of "perfection") with involuntary experimentation.

Although I also can imagine him faking his feelings to get close to Shaw (that drawing of Shaw in The Crossing was pitiful compared to his more illustrious textbook artistry in the workshop...although you could argue that his skills had to be regained over a course since it did take Shaw time to put him back together in his full glory) and manipulate Walter and the Covenant crew (which is especially believable if you trust the theory that he devised Shaw's distress signal to draw in any mission trips, like the Covenant

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What kind of teapot does David use?

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Well said @Michelle Johnston RS has layed out all the pieces but without connecting it all with depth in motives, David and the entire series becomes as you put so well, A bad robot and some stuff they don't explain.

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And what ever happened to those reports of Shaw in hiding from david, that she had some sort of room she used for safety?

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you need a tinfoil hat and a grammar teacher to teach you how to use periods

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FUQUAN We all have our beliefs such as you believe "lit" is a word that means awesome. Therefore, be respectful as that is what these forums are for sharing thought's and beliefs if you do not like it do not read it or leave, it is quite simple.

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