Alien: Covenant Engineer screenshots *Updated

Great post!

The Engineer King (?) in white, as I mentioned some weeks ago:

I dont think he was the king. Imo he was the one that was about to be taken for sacrifice like the one from prometheus.

but who knows

Excellent! Can't wait for my 4K blu-ray! 

I think the forum established the Engineer from Prometheus's opening scene, was a 'seed' Engineer. The best of the best. Probably fought hundreds of Engineers to get the right to seed the planet. The ultimate alpha male.

Think Earth was seeded with a Homer J. Simpson type....at best.

Indeed the LV-223 Engineers also looked like the Sacrificial one

These guys look different but its a Oversight potentially... (some look less Engineer, some are no where near as white) and its like they are Humans in a Cult who worship the Engineers and so shave their hair completely from their bodies.

it looks like most dont have Engineer Eyes, but again these could all be just Oversights, we was never expected to take screen shots and pause the movie to notice...

Or maybe there is a reason they look different?

RS had said the Engineers are not a RACE but a Civilization and then he also mentioned how Humans come in various forms, so could the Engineers... i cant remember word for word his quote but i can try and find it... but it seems he is implying not all of these beings look the same for a REASON.

I think it was along the lines of how come Mankind has many different versions then why cant the Engineers.

I have covered various explanations for this a number of times so maybe i best not go into details again ;)

But i think we need to understand and ask Why do the Engineers Seed Various Worlds and Visit them? If the intention was the same as Earth then that means the GOAL could be to Create Humanoid Life?

We have to ask why though, and especially if they had Females... why not just do what the Covenant is and set off to Habitable Worlds and create a new Colony, surely for a Race that can live Thousands of years... they only need to send down 100 couples onto a World and in a few Engineer Generations it would have a Good Population.

But what if they had to do the Seeding because the older Engineers had Engineered themselves to become Sterile and they simply Lost the Need for Females, and while they extended their Lives... they are never 100% Immortal they merely Evolved to extend their Lives..

Eventually they would Die Out.... so i think the Sacrificial Scene was to obtain and seed a new Race in their image that can Procreate.

The Black Goo effect is interesting... its maybe not done as good as could do because some of the Black Goo Rain Drops so to speak hardly Drenched some but they was spewing up a lot of Black Liquid.

So its a bit bizarre how this looks and i think if they though it out it could have been done better. It appears this Substance is entering the bodies of some and making them regurgitate it, some seem to have what looks like Black Fluid seeping and escaping out of other parts of the body.. but it could be the Liquid just entering the body its hard to make out with these screens and the 3 times i saw the movie it all happened fast to be able to not every frame of what was going on.

It appears the Black Stuff was merely poisoning these Engineers and then also causing their Skin to break away and so it looks like a Turbo Charged Ebola Outbreak... if the Ebola Virus mutated so that its spread 100's times faster and its effects was 100's times more violent.

But the Corpses that the Covenant Crew discover seem petrified, they look like Wild Life that was pulled out of the Gulf of Mexico Oil Slick Disaster and then these Wild Life were just left to Die on the Beaches and 10 years latter they remained, the Oil had dried out but left the Organisms still Black... and their Bodys would seem to not Rot...

This is what it looks like the Engineers had ended up...

A Effect of the Black Goo?

Or was some Safety Device used to Halt the Spread of the Virus, that Ultimately left these beings Burnt/Charred etc.

BD according to the book the pathogen infects the host and produces more of the black goo. Thats how David explained it. It keeps making more and more as long as it has hosts. 

I assume because its intent is to wipe out planets. As soon as it has no hosts it goes dormant.

Well, I think it's safe to say: The Engineer heading towards Earth at the End of Prometheus, didn't have the ability to destroy it(maybe a small town somewhere,..... if he made it past the Earth Defense Fleet...cool action sequence).

I suppose he could have poisoned the oceans? How much damage can one do with a canister or a thousand?

I'm not sure how I'd try to destroy Earth with a Juggernaut full of pathogen?   ?

Interesting! I'd thought I saw female Engineers in the mix. It makes sense that they don't look exactly like the Engineers in Prometheus.

Think about it. We only saw two Engineers in Prometheus. If an alien being saw only two humans, do you really think those two humans would be a representative sample of all human beings on Earth?

Like...really consider the diversity of humanity. What if the only example of a human being you saw was Yao Ming? Or, that lady who plays Maa Petite on AHS? Or like..a famous body-builder. You'd have no idea what other appearances human beings could have, right?

So, it makes sense that Engineers don't just look one specific way.

We dont know how many Cargo Holds there are..  Spaights idea i think was 7?  In Prometheus i could make out potentially 4.

We dont know what % David unleashed on Paradise of the One Hold... but i think it is indicated that this Bombardment eventually lead to all Life dying off.... i think we can buy the Engineers remaining within one City... the Garden of Eden if you will.  But surely how could they keep all animals confined to One City?

So i would assume the Bombardment's effects are widespread.

I would also assume a Payload on Earth would infect a wide area over time as it contaminates  Life..  But i think you raised a Good Point and from a Engineering Point of view.. having a Bombardment only affect a certain area even though Large would be ideal way to Re-set certain areas of Life or Evolve Certain Areas etc.

I think we need to wonder how many Engineer Ships had been destined to go to Earth? just the One?  And i think if the Ships unloaded its Full Payload i think the effects could have been devastating and who knows how far its effects would reach over a period of time?

We only have the Weyland File to use as reference to the effects on a Planet from the Black Goo Urn Bio Weapon but this File does not inform us of the number of Urns dropped to have the effect they describe.

I would certainly think a Bombardment say on the USA would render most Life in North America Dead/Evolved.  We still dont know the Half-Life of the Bio-Weapon too.

But we know its effects can Mutate some Life and create those Spores that remain around for quite some time.

I think as far as getting away with Bombardment, indeed it would have to consider Earths Defenses... but at the time of the Mission we was never as Advanced and i think in part the reason for wanting to destroy is was to prevent us becoming so Advanced... We see the Juggernaught had no Weapons, not in a way to defend itself.

I think the Juggernaught relies on Speed... it would arrive so fast and by the time its detected and intercepted it would have unloaded its Payload.

@VivisectedEngineer

Indeed i think this was maybe RS way of saying it, but there are flaws still as the Engineers have different eyes and their skin was clearly a lot different but then some Africans are really Dark, and some North Europeans are really Pale and so the color difference is big.... but we all have the same Eye Designs... our Iris can all be different colors but we all have the same white Sclera...

The Prometheus Engineers have no white Sclera.. and so they should have used complete Black Out Contact Lenses like in  Prometheus, but maybe this is a oversight.

But leads to some debates... so we have to then consider a few possibilities.

*The Paradise/Planet 4 beings Predate the Engineers, the Engineers are a Creation of theirs or Super Engineered versions given Genetic Improvements.

*The Engineers Predate the Paradise/Planet 4 beings, and so those beings are a replacement for them.

*The Engineers simply Evolved on a Different Place where having different Skin-tone was due to the different environment like maybe how many Skin Colors of Mankind are.   And as for the Eyes.. again maybe the Engineers in Prometheus Evolved or are Engineered to live in Worlds where there is more Light or less Light and so their Eyes had Evolved or been Engineered that way.

*Paradise/Planet 4 has intermixed various Hybrids of Races, Engineer DNA mixed with other Humanoids.   Especially if the whole Purpose of Seeding Worlds was to allow the creation of a Humanoid the Engineers could procreate with.

I am drawn to the last possibility.

Why do their corpses seem intact when they those black growths instantly popping out of them during the CG goo bombing. Then when you see the set models/sculptures they just look like regular char broiled engineers with no insta-morph seasoning? Love the cap the one is wearing, looks like the Prometheus crew leather caps.

@Capt Torgo

"Love the cap the one is wearing, looks like the Prometheus crew leather caps."

Maybe that's Fifield's missing cap! Here I thought Fifield elected not to wear one because he wanted to show off his bad-ass hair style, when really, his had slipped through a worm-hole and landed on this Engineer fellow's head!

How does one find these pics? 

How does one find these pics? 

I may be wrong but david recalls that the mutagen comes in various forms. the effect of the goo on the engineers may just be because this is a different form of the mutagen just simply designed to destroy what it touches.

In my opinion, the engineers we saw in Alien covenant are primal Engineers, religious and indigenous ones who live in these roman/greek like cities on colonized planets all across the galaxies. When they saw the juggernaut arriving they all gathered and started waving at it as they were welcoming the newcomers or the engineers from LV-223, just like in the ancient times when the warriors would return from war their citizens would all gather and welcome them.

The ones from prometheus on LV-223 were genetically enchanced servants/warriors/guardians who fly ships and do military/scientific business on remote bases far from their planets, and If something occurs that might threaten their species they will do anything to prevent that from happening, even sacrificing themselves.

@dk its somewhere illegal.

@ali81 I do remember David saying something about the black goo that it comes in various forms. I will need to check.

I find it hard to believe that RS would sign off on the Engineers in Covenant being so different from the ones in Prometheus unless it was intentional.

I'm thinking that the Engineers on Planet 4 are a version of Engineer/Human that were seeded on the planet that developed a little differently than we did on Earth. Since we've got the same DNA I think Humans could just as accurately be called Engineers, right?

After looking at that scenes i hope this happens to David again:

"Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair."

I'm glad to see some female Engineers, I feel my hypothesis on the Engineer's creating Deacons through the black goo/pathogen/xenovirus is becoming more plausible since they have female eggs in which to make facehuggers/trilobites. Also, like David explained in an earlier post of mine http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/45855 , the radius in which the goo is dropped I feel is inconsequential as I feel, like BigDave said, starts to spread and infect wider areas through initial contact, botanical infection, and perhaps Deacons.

I also concur with Dark Nebula with his assessment of the Engineers and their classes. The ones on Planet 4 are more civilian while the ones we saw on LV-223 are warriors.

Only 5 years between these two prequels and this big inconsistency. Hmmm interesting.

I mean if they spend like 10k for black contact lenses the Engineers would look more believable. I dont know why they saved costs on the wrong end?

They could have done it easily digitally. They just wanted them to look different. Why? Hard to say for certain.

@auximenes

Thanks for the reply.

If they are supposed to be the same species they cant have different eyes. Look at the humans for example. Iris and white eyeballs. They should have the same eye -characteristics.

The more i think about it i dont believe RS, that he declared these planet 4 beings as "Engineers".

Maybe they are one of the most promising experiments they have done, to be integrated in their eternal society.

That inconsistency really asks for the right answers.

Like you said, they could done it with post edit CGI effects but from what i saw the LV-223 Engineer-character had simple black contact lenses.

I see lots of comments about the eyes being different than the ones in Prometheus, and some saying they were black. Other than the eyes of the shorter (female?) Engineer, which look like they have a brighter sclera than the others, the rest of the Engineers eyes are so dark they can barely be seen.

The scene in Covenant is in sunlight. The eyes shown in Prometheus were mostly in dim or dark lighting, but they also clearly have a brighter sclera, not all black.

The Engineers in Prometheus are different than Covenant.  I do not think it was an oversight.  This is just another seeded planet.  The beginning of Prometheus is the seeding of the planet seen in Covenant.  

@Kethol

Thanks for the images.

This just confirmes that the beings on planet 4 have much different eyes than the sacrificial Engineer or the LV223 ones.

Maybe they have a small white area around the iris when illuminated right but they are still mostly dark compared to humans.

The short flashback scene in A:C already showed the inconsistency even without looking into it further. The eyeballs had a clear difference to the Prometheus Engineers.

I think indeed the shots Kethol Shared are interesting, and it shows these Contact Lenses were not 100% really Black, maybe they was Specially made some Darker Color and the cost of doing so is more expensive than using Black Out Sclera Contact Lenses that can be Purchased for as little as $30 each.

Maybe this is why they did not choose to give those Actors such Cheap Contacts?  Maybe there is a purpose more than Budget or Oversight?

The Concept work does show us a Darker Sclera, here is some of the concepts with some of the Engineers including the Head Prop where they are clearly Dark, and so it could be the lighting that makes them appear not so Totally Black.

The intention was however there Eyes, are different to Humans and indeed those beings on Paradise/Planet 4

May have to view the images for details... and below is the Elder Engineer both with Contacts and without.

so the intention was to have different eyes, and we have to go back to Jon Spaights again for the Origins.. his Draft the Engineers Eyes were different more Advanced and could see in more Spectrum's than the Human Eye

Now its  a case of is the Alien Covenant Engineers, different for a reason? Or was the intended to look the same as Prometheus but they just had to cut back on Budget and Time as far as Make up for such a short Scene?

We can assume they are different, and can think of reasons why, they could be Older Superior beings to those on Paradise, and so Descendants, or they could be Genetically Modified and Advanced/Evolved versions of those beings on Paradise.

Its quite open for debate...

RS referred to the Engineers as NOT A RACE... but a Civilization and even pondered that just how there are many different races/versions of Mankind and there could be many more, then there could be many kinds of Engineers.

So Genetically these beings are related to the Engineer in Prometheus but a bit different, but so are Humans they are also generically related to Engineers and these beings on Paradise.

We need to remember what Prometheus showed us, and RS comments on Prometheus.. these beings (Ones who dropped off the Sacrificial Engineer) use these Engineers to Seed Worlds and come back over and over Genetically Evolving us and thus creating Humans... but RS had said they had been doing this on many other worlds too.

We are thus a variation of the Engineers and the Humanoids they attempt to create via their Seeding Methods.