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MemberFacehuggerSeptember 17, 2017$2,6M after first weekend.
Prometheus did $3,8M.
Source: http://deadline.com/2017/09/war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-china-opening-it-movie-spider-man-homecoming-mother-international-box-office-1202171328/
Prometheus was David's origin story and the reason why he sees mankind as inferior. He was 'gray' because he was still under Peter Weyland's thumb but now that he perished David is free to do as he pleases though it's far too late as he has become jaded and infected by his creator's God-complex. In Prometheus he was merely biding his time and over the course of the film you saw David's true uncaring/indifferent nature come to the forefront. "Doesn't everyone want their parents dead?"
His character and progression are parallel to Sir Lawrence in Lawrence of Arabia.
"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."
@red0guy@gmail.com -"On RT the user score is 57"
RT is the last place I would look for an accurate public opinion. That place has morphed into a hate fest. I think IMDB gives a much better picture, and they rated it 6.5 / 10 (65%), from twice as many voters as RT. Amazon here shows 3.7/5 stars (74%) from verified buyers. Google users show 77% liked. Metacritic's users score is 60%.
Point being, more of the public liked it than disliked it. Average all those and it is around 67% positive. With reviewers it is even higher.
"But in all honesty I don't know if it will sale as many units as Prom"
Prom came out in 2012. A lot has changed since then so probably no way AC will sell as many units. Home Video sales have declined every year because VOD/streaming services are taking over. No one knows what those numbers are because the studios don't make them public, but expect AC is doing fine in that arena.
The thing is the odds were stacked against it since Japan isn't a very bankable market for Hollywood anymore. They were popular in the country back in the 1990s, but now Japan's film industry is much stronger, with triple the number of screens from the 1990s. As a result, most (not all, but most) Hollywood films are just less attractive to them.
Even Marvel/DC films don't do very well. Wonder Woman will be lucky if it earns more than $12 million by the end of its run.
It's also important to remember that Japan's preferred measurement for box office ranking is theater attendance. This is because movie tickets are often sold depending on the genre, what country it's from, what studio made it, what gender is buying the ticket and what sort of discount day it is. (There are many.)
Alien: Covenant opened on a Holiday weekend and was practically the only major release, but it looks like it's only #1 via more expensive tickets. Attendance-wise it looks like it may have opened as low as #3. I don't know yet, I'm still waiting for more official numbers from Kogyotsushin to be translated.
Attendance is important because it gives us an indicator of how well it will do in the coming weeks. Strong legs is more important to the Japanese box office than opening weekends, but comparing Saturday's number to Sunday's might give an indication of its future.
If it made $2.6M then it likely opened to an estimated audience of 195,000 for the weekend. For comparison that number is a slightly better opening than Wonder Woman (182,092), Ghost in a Shell (171,203), Guardians of the Galaxy 2 (163,143) and Logan (113,600).
More when I have it.
Why do you ignore the amazon video score which is only 2.7 based on 554 user reviews which are different that the 630 blu-ray/dvd reviews. If AC would be threated as any other movie with both kinds of reviews merged the score would be less, somewhere around 3.4 or 3.5. I don't know why Amazon does this, but it does check it out.
Kethol I did not mean the average rating but the pages and pages of negative reviews and suggestions / recommendations to avoid the film.
Even on the film page from Imdb the review is titled "2 hours of my life I'm never getting back" written by someone with a very meaningful life but who waited until the end of the movie or at least saw 2 hours of it and got bored to death.
I don't get this type of movie goer who pays for the ticket, then regrets the waste of money, who waits until the end then regrets the waste of time only to waste more time to write a negative review. Like he was not allowed to leave the theater if the movie was not what he expected it to be?
There are so many reviews of these type. Is it a trend, does it happen with other movies too, is it fashionable to be a badass reviewer?
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
I don't get this type of movie goer who pays for the ticket, then regrets the waste of money, who waits until the end then regrets the waste of time
Do you leave a movie the second it does something you don't like? If so I'll clarify that MOST moviegoers will watch a movie they paid for all the way through if only hoping it will get better as it goes on, or think it's a waste to walk out completely. If the reviews had said it was so bad they walked out, then you would just criticize them for not giving the whole movie a chance.
If people don't like a movie they say it. It's not so secret conspiracy that everyone is against A:C and secretly got together before the movie came out and just said, "hate on it and don't like it just because." That doesn't happen, in fact that's never happened. If a movie is good typically the reviews say so. You don't always have to agree with the public opinion of a movie, but you still have to acknowledge what it is.
I had a fun enough time watching the new Mummy movie. It's getting terrible reviews, across the board, is it just popular to hate on the new Mummy? No, people just didn't like it. Same goes for A:C(except its average scores are much higher indicating more people liked it)
daliens the 2.9 One star votes ratio from Alien Covenant is not much higher than the 2.3 from The Force Awakens. And yet that film's score is 8.1, while Alien Covenant's is 6.5. Therefore, the 1 stars are not the the only problem. Mother! has a whopping 17.1 One star ratio and yet the average sits at 6.8. That means Alien Covenant did not get enough love from the fanbase to make up for the low ratings. The part of the audience that is really passionate about the David storyline is maybe 5%.
Im Durp You are right. Most of the times the truth prevails. Consider all the hate movies like "Get out" get (from people who happen to be racist) or "It" (from people who wanted to boycott Stephen King). And yet those movies maintain a high score because they are good. There is a reason why Alien Covenant received a lukewarm response from the fanbase and a good share of hate from people who honestly disliked the movie.
Im Durp I would not compare the Mummy with Alien Covenant. And I would not go to see a movie that leaves me with nothing. You hear that, nothing. Going to every movie and sitting there until it's over only to build up your hate for a review, that I cannot understand.
How many times will you see the Mummy?
Did you write a negative review for AC?
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
joylitt I stopped long ago writing negative things about Aliens because it's no fun and it hurts other people feelings. I never wrote a review for AC and I believe reviews should be as much as possible objective.
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
Art is supposed to produce emotion so a reviewer must say what he felt about it and what he understood it meant, etc. Art criticism is not objective. That works only in theory for technical stuff.
How do you know a movie will leave you with nothing before you see it. Also as I said people wait because they want the movie to get better. There are plenty of movies that take about 40 minutes-1 hour to really get started then you have a great time. And with ticket prices what they are people want to see the thing all the way. As I said a movie has to be a special type of awful to actually make a decent amount of people leave.
I probably won't go out of my way to see the Mummy again, just the same as I won't go out of my way to watch A:C again. I found both of them fine, enjoyable enough to give a chance. If I see them on tv or something I might watch them.
No I didn't write a negative review because the movie didn't leave me feeling any way(negative or positive) about it that made me want to give my opinion on it. It was an average movie I saw it and I was done. Some people write reviews though. If they really like it they'll write positive reviews and if they don't it will be negative, it just so happens the reviews you read were negative.
red0guy@gmail.com you better be honest.
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
Im Durp I cannot wait 40 minutes for a movie to get better, I don't see movies based on ratings either. Even if I watch a movie I don't like until the end, I don't write a negative review about it. And AC has so many of them, just browse the first pages of the review section from Imdb if you have some time to waste.
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
I'm not sure your point tbh. If you don't see a movie by its rating why do you care that some people didn't like it and wrote reviews for it? It doesn't effect how you see the movie anyway.
If you're just saying you don't think people should write bad reviews then that kind of defeats the purpose. Every movie would just have 100%'s on every site and there would be no other opinion, and that kind of defeats the purpose of discussion and creates and echochamber of positives.
I think you're throwing too much of yourself out and treating that as a standard. Even if you don't write negative reviews for movies you don't like some people do, obviously a large number, and I think it's fair to say you should take their opinions in just as much as the positive ones.
Im Durp when I read a review I like to learn something about the movie, information, fair analysis like in Chris' review after the world premiere. Or a review written by Michele Jonston, just to name two honest reviewer from this forum.
I said many times that AC is not the perfect movie and I was myself critic with some issues. But to read all that nonsense from people who hate David (?) or Ridley Scott, that I cannot do.
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
personally I love RS and I think David has been the saviour in both movies from a character stand point. id love to see RS get stuck into 2 more prequels to tie us into alien. I love alien, aliens and Prometheus. I like alien3 and AR. I have them all on dvd and I have the 9 disc quadrilogy box set that is the pride and joy of my collection. I have seen AC a couple of times now and I WONT be buying the dvd or BR. my opinion of the movie just hasn't changed. maybe in the future but for now I m sorry, but I wont be spending more money on it as I simply cant justify the cost. I don't like the film. visually stunning, Fassbender again brilliant and I loved the creatures. but the nagatives just ruin it for me too much. I hope the next instalment gets the budget it deserves to give the fans the epic we deserve so fingers crossed.
People hate A:C (for the most part) and the David storyline because of what it does to the lore and not so much the execution. People don't like that he created the Xenomorph and are now looking for any minor criticism to make into a mountain.
"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."
I don't hate AC, I simply dislike the film. my issues r, to me, not minor issues but big enough issues to ruin it for me. I agree many people r simply looking for problems but id say on the whole people r maybe finding little issues to moan about just for the simple reason they are soooo disappointed in what was delivered. remember on here, the weeks if not months of theorising n everyone coming up with their own ideas. to me, that has been the best part about AC. I am only speaking for myself but taking the hype and just how much I was looking forward to the film more than any other I can remember for years, the film SUCKED. id go as far to say if I wasn't such a big alien franchise film id wash my hands of the prequel series altogether. forgetting the hype and putting it to one side, its not a film I would rush to see again for many reasons
Seems like you just want to read reviews you happen to agree with. As I've said everyone has different opinions(the things reviews are based on) and some could dislike David or not like the direction they see RS taking this series.
The fact is people have problems with this movie no matter how small that may be, and they are just as justified as the people that like it and all the small details they recall back when listing its positives.
