Engineer power

Great summary! It's time to see their full power again in a live action movie.

The Space Jockey's are badass af lol

@Ati That would indeed be awesome, fans would be satisfied. But I can only imagine the budget required.

@Lawrence of Arabia yep, the Engineer that fought predator was trained by Steven Seagal.

Forgot to mention that the last Engineer from Prometheus also ripped David's head off easily before attacking Weyland and his men.

Also in Alien: River of pain, if I remember correctly, the colonists inside the derelict found corpses of the xenomorph queen and the Engineer that fought and killed the queen with his bare hands. Very interesting read.

Read the Alien: Engineers draft by Spaihts recently for the 100th time, just noticed that the last engineer equipped himself with the bulletproof bio suit and killed the remaining xenos and humans with some kind of a weapon that fires invisible missiles.

I wonder if that inspired the engineer weapons in the fire and stone series (especially the scene with the large pink rifle in Prometheus fire and stone).

Originally the engineer weapon Galgo held was supposed to shoot black goo but they changed it to Fox's demands.

As for their ships, their ships are indestructible. The juggernaut remained mostly intact when USCSS Prometheus crashed into it at the speed of a bullet.

From Prometheus the complete fire and stone, a page about Galgo and the engineer weapon.

Awesome topic Nebula!

You're welcome, Chris.

I missed the Topic when it was first posted....

I have to say i think the Comics kind of took the Engineers to Far, made them more like Super Man from the Planet Krypton but hey maybe thats why they was FELLED so easy on their own Home-world LOL

I think we need to go back to Alien: Engineers and then look at WHAT True Scale is all about, in Alien Engineers our Engineers were supposed to be 15ft Tall to Match the Approximate Space Jockey size in Alien. By the time of Lindeloffs Paradise the idea was prior to Shooting that these are a 9-10ft tall Race of beings.

This image shows exactly what a 15ft and 10ft Engineer would be like compared to a Human, now lets imagine if the idea was to be these sizes and lets say these Engineers are Humanoid and to Scale as far as Strength.

Then a 15ft Engineer coming into to confrontation with a Typical Man would be like a Typical Man attempting to toss around/fight a 15  Month Old Infant (which would be simple) a 10ft Engineer compared to a Man would be like a Man VS a 4.5 Year old Boy.

So from either Scale we can see a Engineer of 10-15ft would be able to push around a Human as easy as a Human would a Toddler.  In the Comics however the Scale is off the Engineers here appear to be like 8-9ft Tall which would be like a Human VS a 6-7 Year old.

So INDEED this could show the Strength of the Engineers, but even if we look at a 8-9ft Tall Engineer we can also look at them being Stronger Per Scale if we consider these beings have Genetically Engineered themselves and so are not AVERAGE Engineers like we see in Alien Covenant, but Super Engineered Solider Class.

Looking at this, then indeed a 10-15ft Engineer would deal with a Xenomorph with not much trouble and would certainly Man-Handle a Predator, but i am not sure they would defeat a Xenomorph Queen, not if we stick to Scale... 

If we however consider they are also Genetically Engineered as Stronger then a 15ft Engineer vs Xenomorph Queen would be quite a Fight, but a Engineered Super Being that is 8-9ft tall would not really stand much of a chance.

Unless we go the Super Hero Comic Book routes where our Engineers are like Super Man and the like.

As far as Technology....

I think indeed those Engineers Pressure Suits would allow them quite some Protection, i think Prometheus offered us a Realistic Look into this, the shot from the Weapon used against the Engineer, did some damage but this was Minor, it would be like getting shot by a Metal BB Gun while wearing clothing and so you would feel it, and it may have broken the skin a little but would be far from a Wound that would stop you in your tracks.

I feel again the Comic Books took this too far, and basically made the Engineers Suits like Tougher than a Tank,  i also find that ONE Engineer could lay waste to Horde of Xenomorphs that easy, like a Human dealing with Cat/Small Dog Sized Animals, a little unlikely.

As far as Weaponry goes, for such a Advanced Ancient Race the Engineers would not doubt in their History had created Weapons, and no Doubt Weapons beyond our Technological and our Imagination, so Advanced that the Predators Plasma Caster would seem redundant

Alien Engineers was interesting with the Gauntlets that would fire like Pulses of Invisible Energy at their opponents and would actually be similar to like Star Wars FORCE powers.

Characters in comic books are usually depicted as more different and stronger than the ones depicted in a film, because of its easier to take a pencil and a paper and draw rather than spend millions on a 2-hour film. Hulk for example, in the films he fought opponents of similar size and lifted some larger objects. In the comics, however, if I recall correctly, he once destroyed a planet with a single punch (and an entire universe with a handclap).

Engineers in this comics were shown to have tremendous strenght, despite some size differences. Probably because they were genetically engineered for military purposes. Much like Replicants from blade runner and Neo-sapiens from exo-squad.

Gorillas for example, while standing still are 5'7" tall(little shorter than average humans), but they are like 10 times stronger than humans.

Indeed i think the Errors of Scale from Prometheus and Alien Covenant, now leave us with a 8ft Tall Race and indeed Genetic Engineering is likely why these LV-223 Engineers are Superior as far as Vast Strength. Its something i have been drawn to a long time with those Engineers, and it makes Perfect Sense if these LV-223 Engineers are in effect Universal Solider/Replicants well similar in that they have been Genetically Manipulated.

I think it leaves room for RS to introduce another race of Humanoids, that are Larger than the Engineers to then match the Size of the Space Jockey, we can only hope...   Because otherwise we have to suspend disbelief in that a 8ft tall Race is sitting in the Space Jockey Seat, despite the SJ being about 12-15ft Tall.

I love the design of the Gun, i do Question the ideas that some of those who work on the Comics come up with in regards to the Engineers/Black Goo... i think they take things a bit too far..

Spaights also did touch upon Engineer Weapons.

I feel the Comics Weapon seemed pretty fitting in how it was shown, but i totally dont like the Black Goo connection as far as sucking in DNA....  I think Spaights Force Beam Weapon is interesting.

So i feel Engineer Technology is interesting, i think these beings on LV-223 (well the Technology) would seem very odd to be so Advanced, and Create such Bio-Logical Warfare and especially knowing of the Dangers without some kind of Protection  (and i dont by Engineers being like Superman Snapping Xenomorphs like mere Birds Necks)

So we have to assume they developed some Weaponry..

I would like to Propose a Few Ideas.

POWER/FORCE WEAPONS and BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS and MELEE WEAPONS

But be more Realistic to a degree.

Power Weapons:

*Force Gauntlets/Pistols Type Weapons:  that project a Force of Energy maybe Invisible, that act as Short Range Protection, more like we use Beanbag Shot Gun Rounds/Tasers.  That can injure and force back a Foe, but can also amplify to emit a vast Force that can break bones/kill from the impact of being thrown by these weapons, so maybe some Anti-Gravity/Force kind of Weapon?

*Plasma Riffle/Pistol: so pretty much similar to Fire and Stone, some Weapon that discharges a Super-heated Plasma Projectile.  Could come in Riffle and Pistol form.

*Heavy Plasma/Laser Weapon: a Super Heavy version of above, maybe some larger ones mounted on Engineer Weapons Platforms, that unleash a much more Powerful Beam.

*Heavy Gauss/Anti Gravity Weapon: Similar to the first weapon here, but it uses the Forces to Shower down Solid Projectiles to a Target. Maybe unleashing Multiple Projectiles (similar to the Halo Needle Gun but Larger).

Melee Weapons:

*Bio-Mechanical Sword/Blade:  Made from some Hard Semi Organic, Bone Material that is Razor Sharp, maybe even powered to allow some Force/Heat to run through the Blade.  Could come in Smaller Sizes and Large.

*Thrown Weapon/Boomerang: Some kind of throwing Weapon that returns to the wielder, a bit like the Predator Discus, but maybe more Organic Looking.

*Javelin/Spear: a throwing Pole-Arm type Weapon, maybe with some kind of guidance, that can have different heads/points, where the Warhead could Stun with a Pulse Blast, or could be filled with various Bio-logical Agents... (Black Goo).

*Bio-Electrical Lash: a kind of Whip type Weapon that is Charged with a Power Source, and can be used to both Whip/Wound a Target, but also to Stun and then Entangle a Target.

*Shield: some kind of Organic/Mechanical Shield, maybe with Force Protection, that has retractable sharp blades down the sides, maybe reminiscent of the Xenomorph Queens Carapace, that could be thrown at a Target a bit like Captain America.

Biological Weapons:

*Acid Spurting Canon:  Some kind of Weapon that utilizes the Xenomorph Acid to spray on a Target.

*Pathogen/Black Goo Canon: Some weapon that either shoots Black Goo, or better still fires tiny ampoules that explode on impact and infect the Target with the Black Goo. Can also be used to be armed with other forms of Pathogenic Warfare.  Maybe Payload can be manipulated to effect a Target the Same as in Alien Covenant, as well as in Prometheus?

*Parasite Launcher: A weapon loaded with Organic Parasites, maybe like mini Octopiod/Mollusk type Organisms that attack to a Target and Infect them.

*Spore Launcher: a Weapon that can launch Spore Type Parasites like the Neomorph Spores, likely by encasing them into balls/canisters that explode on impact with a Target.

I guess we could see some kind of Explosive like Weapons, like Mines and Grenades that could see both Energy Weapon/Blast Types and Biological/Pathogen Types.

The human weapons didn't affect the Engineer suit until they broke it down with mutagen and then opened fire.

The Engineer had his nose ripped off and got the queen's tail through the back and out the chest but was still able to overwhelm her. Pretty tough chap. Great captures Dark Nebula.

I am always skeptical of Comic interpretations as they can exaggerate things, but as far as Comic Canon, indeed the Engineers seem to be very powerful for their size.

Prometheus offers us something different though, it appears the Shotgun Blast Wounded the Engineer, or at least Damaged his Bio-Mechanical Suit.   I think from this we could assume that 20-30 rounds from a Pulse Riffle would make short work of a Engineer.

We see there suits can explode from inside, or maybe suffer damage from outside, (Dead Engineers) also the Deacon was able to Tear Itself free from this suit.... unless we assume breaking out is much easier than getting in.

The Engineer appeared to struggle with the Trilobite and so we have to assume a Queen would prove to be more of a tougher opponents...  HOWEVER... we have to assume the Engineer suffered some wounds from the Crash (theatrical cut) and so he may not have been at 100% when faced with and overpowered by the Trilobite.

The Engineer was able to Toss/Push around the Humans it attacked in Prometheus as easy as a 180lb man would a 12-16b animal/baby.

The creatures affected by the black goo were really strong, one hammerpede was capable of snapping human arm like a tree stick. The last Engineer was subdued by trilobite's tentacles by surprise because he was targeting Shaw, still, the trilobite had some trouble trying to impregnate the Engineer.

But still, put somebody else in that situation, for example, the Yautja and the results are the same.

This reminded me of an alternate ending of a Toho film from 1965 called Frankenstein vs Baragon. In it, a giant Frankenstein beats the living shit out of Baragon with his bare hands, and he is later defeated by a large octopus. Why? Because he couldn't do jackshit against  8 powerful tentacles.

Thats certainly a good point... maybe the Black Goo increases a Organisms Agression and Strength for sure, and so the Trillobite could be stronger than we think for its size.. "the trilobite had some trouble trying to impregnate the Engineer." Certainly looked it, it looked like a Stalemate but then the Engineer was getting the short end of the stick...  i ponder in desperation did he BITE the Trilobite, and this results in Acid Burn and changed the course of the Battle in the Trilobites Favor, i would be willing to bet this is what the Full Scene that we have yet to see would have shown us.

I think its a nice point to, because indeed we have to wonder if those LV-223 Engineers had been Genetically Engineering themselves with something that lead to  a Hubris of creating something related to the Xenomorph.

That looks interesting, I wonder how much it would take to kill an Engineer if you translate that to a movie. According to this comic it seems that it takes a lot but it would be boring if they would do them like supermen. Much of the time comics can not be taken as the official version.

I think certainly the Engineers should be more Powerful but i agree we dont need to see no Super Humanoids from the Planet Krypton ;)

Maybe that explains the Planet 4 Engineers? As in the Superman Universe back on their Homeworld the Race from Krypton are no better/stronger than Humans LOL

I think the Engineers have to be about 2-3X Stronger, certainly twice... and then the LV-223 Engineers need to be revealed as Genetically Engineered Engineers.

So a Typical Engineer vs a Human would be like a Typical Adult Human vs a 9-11 year old....   and a LV-223 Engineer vs a Human like a Average Adult Human vs a 2-3 year old.

Then as far as the LV-223 Engineers Suits indeed they should offer a great deal of Protection, but not be completely UN-penetrable.  But i would be up for them having some kind of Shield Technology.