What could happen to the Covenant at Origae 6 and beyond

I hope we'll see the empty Covenant ship together with a lot of other alien spaceships (known and unknown) in a space graveyard close to a special planet or some giant space rocks - similarly to the scene of my favourite episode of the series Space 1999: 'Dragon's Domain' (S01E23).

That would be a brilliant opening.

@ Ati  I like that idea. If it did go down the Dragon Domain route, who would you have has the sole survivor returning back to earth with their incredible story. What it does prompt is a mission to go and visit the space graveyard to find out more. I think something like that could work.

Batchpool - I'm sure the story of Dragon's Domain was used for Alien.

'The sole survivor returning back to earth with their incredible story' is, in fact, Ripley. :)

And the new unknown ships would make the Alien Universe huge...

@ Ati  Of course, Ripley. I should’ve spotted that. It’s still a good idea though imo which would be worth repeating.

Batchpool - The graveyard idea is awesome, and it hasn't been used in movies. Half of the new Alien prequel should take place there! Scott must film this! Imagine the atmosphere and everything, it could be the next ALIEN.

Looking at the Covenant Ship and the Lander that Tennessee rescued the crew with, it appears to me that the Covenant ship has a lot of Modules that are connected to Main Covenant Ship and it would appear that maybe these Modules are disconnected from the Covenant Ship and taken to the surface by the Lander and then Assembled on the Surface.

As for what will happen i think this is the Big Question and this Ultimately depends on Davids Agenda/Plans and Frame of Mind, he will have nearly 7.5 years alone on that Ship so thats a lot of time to contemplate what he would want to do.

I dont think he would Quarantine the Ship into sections and subject some of the Crew to Experiments, but this would indeed give us a kind of flick similar to Pandorum which i am not sure is something RS will explore.

I can only assume David will rebuild himself, and pass himself off as Walter and then let the Colony Mission begin as Planned, while he would have to come up with a Good Excuse for what happened to the other Colonist and pass himself off as a Hero/Savior of the Entire Mission.

If we take into account the Prequel Novel, if David discovers the planned Sabotage of the Covenant then he could use that to explain the Deaths of some of the Crew.

@ Ati I have only just realised this, but the scenes between the engineer and the trilobite in Prometheus are nearly identical to the scenes where the crew are fighting the space dragon in Space 1999.

I agree that a space graveyard would certainly open things up and create a bigger universe.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WKfEj5JpwA 

@Big Dave. If the Covenant is indeed modular, I just think it would make sense to then have the ability to send it back to earth to set up a sort of supply/trade route, making the Covenant a re-usable asset to WY.

I agree, that it does not seem likely that RS would go down the Pandorum route, but having a ship delivering a dubious cargo back to earth could make sense to the overall story.

thats a great idea! there ould be a scene were they nead to make a space jump inbetween ships witha xenomorph chasing them. the wohle setting is just awsome. ridley scott neads to add this.

@BigDave

The idea of David taking the Covenant to Origae-6 made sense to me until I saw "Advent", where David is telling W-Y what he did and how he has control of the ship.  After I saw that, I just stopped thinking he would go to Origae-6.  If David didn't contact W-Y, then I would say David would have to continue to Origae-6 to make it appear that the ship is still working according to plan.  Now that David revealed himself to corporate, he doesn't have to do anything.

The problem with David is that if he wants to do experiments, I don't think he would do them on the Covenant.  The reason being is if he is working with creatures with acid for blood, then that blood could go through the ship and breach the haul.  Experiments with Xenomorph-like creatures on the Covenant are way to risky.  Yet, David really understands how to work with them in his experiments, so maybe he has a counter-chemical to stop the acid or knows of something he could do to protect the Covenant from the acid blood tearing it apart.

So, with this in consideration, David needs to find a planet to experiment on.  He can't risk the colonists, that we all assume he is going to experiment on, being on Planet 4 because the planet is contaminated and could potentially, and rather highly likely, interfere with his experiments and ruin his long awaited pay day.

I honestly don't know what David is going to do with the Covenant.  This is especially true after David contacted W-Y.  That really threw me for a loop.

So, what if David knows where the bio/mech Engineers are?  We all realized that those Engineers on Paradise don't look like the ones in Prometheus (the one's I call bio/mech in this post).  So, what if on Planet 4 David logically finds a library which tells where these bio/mech Engineers are.  He knows they hate humans, but for some reason they didn't wipe out humanity.  While on Planet 4, David also learns of why they didn't kill all of humanity.  Maybe the simple reason was... the council voted not to kill humanity, yet a select few didn't want to follow orders.  So, they continued with the plan to wipe out humans.  That is where we get that pissed of bio/mech Engineer in Prometheus who should've killed Shaw.  Still, the council is the ruling power, so they assassinated rouge bio/mech Engineers.

The decision for the vote is unknown to me, yet could relate to being that humans are recognized has being highly intellectual.  So, the council decided to let things stew on Earth just to see what happens.

Back to David and the Covenant now...

So, David knows where these bio/mech Engineers are.  He decides he will fly there and meet them and the council.  He wants to because these Engineers are the creators of mankind.  Peter Weyland said that he didn't believe humans were a random bi-product evolution and he goes on and on to David about somehow finding the creators of mankind.

This idea sticks with David because his creator, Peter Weyland, was so obsessed with this question.  So, in a sense, David wants to figure out because his "father" would have wanted to.  This is a big question and I'm sure David would also want to know the answer.

He also wants to meet with the bio/mech Engineers and the council because he wants to be accepted by them.  He's learned so much from and about these Engineers that he would also love to be a part of them.  He also would want to turn them against humanity again and try and have them destroy Earth.  There would be no way that David could do this on his own.  If David released 2,000 Xeno's on Earth, I am sure they would eventually all be destroyed.  I even think they would all be destroyed if there were Queens as well.  Plus, David can only fly one ship to drop black goo on Earth and if he even dared to try and fly to Earth with a ship with black goo, he would be detected probably before he entered into the Kepler Belt.  Earth would see a ship flying straight towards Earth of alien origin and would try and communicate.  Earth would also send ships out to intercept it.  In the end, there would be a small chance of David's hypothetical ship reaching Earth intact.  David NEEDS the Engineers help.

So, instead of A:C 2 starting at a spaceship graveyard.  It could start with some psychological questions David is posing to the bio/mech Engineers.  (Yet, we wouldn't see who David is talking to at this point in this hypothetical movie.)  In his heart, he is trying to convert them to destroy Earth.

After some questions, we can see the Covenant docked somewhere in a massive docking bay with other alien ships.  Maybe the Engineers have also made contact with other alien species and left them alone so they can develop.  I'm sure the Engineers would be interested in seeing alien life evolve and grow that they didn't seed.  Kind of like how they decided not to kill humans on Earth.  In a way, there could be many other alien species with their different spaceships or there could just be a few.  Maybe Ridley will take the fact that in Alien franchise, we are not alone to another level.  How many are there in the universe, instead of how alone are we.  Science today is breeding the idea that we are alone in the universe.  If there is a chance we do find life, today's science predicts it would be microscopic and very basic. 

So, in A:C 2, we get to see the possibility of other alien life and finally get to discover that the universe actually makes sense, in the way that in all that space, there is more than just two species.  At the same time, we would also learn of our creator.  The answer is not the Engineers.  Instead, the answer is God and evolution. 

Okay, now I'm getting much beyond the beginning. 

POST ENDED!

certainly the olive branch transmission doesn't make much sense. if he was looking for peace to advance his experiments, which ud assume he would, why contact anyone? if u want someone to come then send the transmission when ur nearly finished ur experiments. also, why make logs pretending to be Walter only to send another message revealing ur true identity anyway? so id take the olive branch message as just bonus material at this point. I do agree with big dave that David will have some years to himself before others start arriving n its gna be interesting to see what the set up on origae6 is when they arrive. the question is will David want to keep the covenant in one piece as a way of getting off the planet or will he allow the colonists to live in his lie and dismantle the ship for parts in the hope or assumption someone will come?

What if David told the Company that he is going to Orgae-6 to make them go there while he heads back to LV-223 to utilize the black goo there. While he is there the Deacon can return...

maybe but depends on the olive branch message I suppose. if it is canon then he doesn't come across as being afraid of the company and even anticipates an expedition to be sent. I think it depends on how many more movies wer getting. for me, to do it right requires 2 movies. id like to see what David has been doing on origae6 and get an insight into his experiments and their evolution. id have the humans and engineers catch up with him on origae6 and the end of the movie would be David managing to escape the planet and head for lv223 which brings us to the last movie which ties into lv426. to be done in one movie would mean wel see very little of what he got upto on origae6 which sucks I think.

I think the main question is how is he going to get thousands of people to become eggs without everyone knowing what's going on in the process?! I really hope we get a LV-223 scene with the deacon. My idea would be interesting also because they are right in the neighborhood of LV-426 for the derelict scene...

I def agree his destination at some point will be lv223 as he has no reason to go anywhere else. id love to see something with the deacon aswell

Critters5 said, "I think the main question is how is he going to get thousands of people to become eggs without everyone knowing what's going on in the process?!"

He could do something similar to what the scientists were doing in Alien: Resurrection when they were trying to breed Xenomorph's.

@ali81

You can't just decide what is canon and what is not.  "Advent" was released by Fox and Ridley.  As of right now, it's canon.

In addition to that, if we also decided on what is canon based on if things made sense, then Alien3 is not canon.  That would also mean that Alien: Resurrection is not canon either.

Both are good movies and I don't know how they could ever not be canon.  Even if Alien5 by Blomkamp was made, Alien3 and A:R would still be considered canon in an alternate universe kind of thing, just like how Alien5 would be.

As far as I know, it is canon whether we like it or not and because of "Advent" being canon, I changed my mind on the idea that David's Covenant is going to Origae-6.  I just don't think that is where the prequels are going now.  Of course, that is just my idea.  Everybody's got 'em!

You have to begin with the notion that David is mad and delusional and believes his "plan" is both just and infallible. 

Advent sets up several important investments.

David reveals himself and the "radical A I" of the pathogen to W- Y. One can only conclude he is baiting Weyland Yutani believing their arrival will aid his plan of retribution and or improvement.

The reference to the Queen and that it will change everything is important and suggests he is trying to evolve his creation into a self generating species capable of rapid reproduction. It may play into the events of the Space Jockey and Ridley could tweak the meaning of what we see in A L I E N and something he has referred to in the past the cargo "gets out" whilst on board and contaminates the Jockey. This could be the Queen and her spores taking revenge on David. Radical A.I. meets mad A.I.

I suspect W-Y will come to a planet which is further down the road in the story and find out its truth. The twist maybe the Engineers arriving with Walter with a Juggernaut. W-Y want the radical A I David is the mad  A I and the Engineers bring another A I with them. The emphasis then is how A I behaves and interacts with each other with the Queen and her spores being the weapon. This would explain Ridleys recent view that the fascinating elements are the A I not the beast. 

I Moon Girl A bit OT, but with all due respect, the canon debate heated up last winter and it was pretty much decided that canon can be individually determined. For instance, some consider only movies canon while others include novelizations and video games- others only consider the first Alien movie canon.

Covered here: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=16&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjQ0dzGvfzXAhVN7GMKHfzLA3EQFgh7MA8&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alien-covenant.com%2Ftopic%2F43291&usg=AOvVaw09s0YqoUbxlYGhN5wM12yz

moongirl. when im talking about canon im meaning in the sense of did we see something that is going to be forgotten and become irrelevant. for example the weyland files and specifically the part about the company knowing of a signal on lv426 which may yet become irrelevant. we may yet see David being responsible for the derelict and in fact there isn't anything on lv426 prior to the derelict landing/ crashing. we also get lots of things within what is perceived as canon material contradicting other material platforms such as the novels that accompany the movie. for example in the alien novel Dallas finds empty urns next to the SJ and yet in the movie, we don't see anything to even suggest Dallas finds anything yet the novel can be considered canon.

canon is very much open to debate and can go on for ever. for me canon is what we see in the movie IF the movie is the first source of material in the franchise, as not all the people who watch the film read the novel so they don't know about any of the differences between the 2. but given that franchises such as the marvel and DC universes used comics to first introduce characters it can be argued that the movies arnt canon as much of these films differ from the comics as far as character arc's go. iv even heard that the mural in Prometheus doesn't mean anything other than paying homage to Giger and his work.  

I'd start A:C 2 with Peter Weyland beating David with a cricket bat(flashback). Armed guards surrounding them, just in case something goes wrong. This would test David and his/it's ability to let humans do what they will. Have Peter drop his cricket bat(or baseball bat)near David, daring him to pick it up and use it on him. 

That would certainly fit with what David said about Peter Weyland's compassion MonsterZero.

"I never experienced such compassion. Certainly not from Mr. Weyland."

David, Prologue: The Crossing

The cricket bat is nothing but the same tool as the cup of tea. A plot device to show a device with questions it's place.

Great points ali81 and I'm dying to see who David sent his Advent message to at Weyland-Yutani I Moon Girl.

Great topic Batchpool.

And I can give you a nightmare scenario for David: Before Peter Weyland died, he created a replicant/synth of himself.......Much stronger than David(or any synth) and with all the 'bells and whistles'.   So in essence Peter Weyland would still be in charge, immortal and still pulling David's strings.

I would also bring the Nostromo into the action as a possible bridge between the movies. (May or may not be possible to replicate($$$ 3d printing?)the Nostromo's interior.)

Peter Weylands synth body has been exploring the galaxy and is now just arriving on the Nostromo and is in shouting distance of the Covenant.

MonsterZero - The android Weyland idea is great! Arriving hand in hand with an android Shaw? :)

Batchpool - 'Ati I have only just realised this, but the scenes between the engineer and the trilobite in Prometheus are nearly identical to the scenes where the crew are fighting the space dragon in Space 1999.'

Totally true!

In fact, the Space 1999 scenes with the monster are more gruesome since it eats the crew and is kind enough to give back their skeletons. Imagine those scenes on a movie level in 2019/20.

The mysterious (Alien-like) space graveyard scenes in the first half of the movie combined with the scenario described by Michelle Johnston in her previous comment would form an awesome Alien prequel movie in my opinion.

"The problem with David is that if he wants to do experiments, I don't think he would do them on the Covenant.  The reason being is if he is working with creatures with acid for blood,"

This ^^^^ and your other point about the contaminated Planet 4 are very good points, indeed David could just take the Colonist and One by One experiment on them on board the Covenant, and in one way if things get out of hand he could maybe Quarantine part of the Ship but this could lead to the Set Up of a Plot not to far off the Movie (Pandorum) which funny enough i came up with ONE possible Sequel to AC prior to the Advent Viral Prologue and prior to me even knowing of the the movie Pandorum where some Colonist awake in a Quarantined part of the Ship and then explore the ship that has become a Xenomorph Hive... but i doubt FOX will take this kind of route.

The notion of Acid Blood also gives a good reason to not conduct experiments on a Star Ship, the notion of a contaminated Planet 4 is also interesting if after all the events of the Black Goo and Davids experiments on Planet 4 lead to his most Perfected Creation which a Human Female was required, he may indeed want to FURTHER this CREATION without contamination and this gives a good reason to head to PASTURES NEW

We have to maybe consider WHY LV-223 had different Compounds/Outposts maybe for the same reasons.. (different Petra Dish for each Experiment)

As far as your other points they are interesting but who knows for sure.

Regarding the Rest and what may apply to the Engineers its all very open at the moment to debate.

We always have to take the Movies as Canon and YES DVD Extras and deleted Scenes and Viral Information has to be taken as NOT Canon for the most part, even though some does provide us Canon Information these are subject to Change... so the information on LV-426 and Ridley Scotts Space Jockey Explanation have to all be taken as Non-Canon now and we just have to wait to see how the next few movies UNFOLD

I would say the ADVENT however is a Set-Up Prologue for the Direction they WAS/maybe are still going, much like the CROSSING was a Set-Up for Alien Covenant and so David would have found out quite a bit about the LV-223 Engineers at least between his journey from LV-223 to Planet 4

There has to be a reason WHY those LV-223 and Planet 4 Engineers are different if not for the Aesthetics, but the way of LIFE,  Planet 4 seemed void of the Technology of the LV-223 Engineers apart from in the odd few places. These differences would be something that i think should be explored and would be explored, are those who return similar to the LV-223 Engineers or the Planet 4 ones? Or are they all ONE and the SAME and its just a case of Ridley Scott Oversight..

The OLIVE BRANCH is a piece of Bad Writing that backs them into a corner for sure, much like the Covenant Ending (but that was even more poor) but then the Olive Branch is a Shoe-horn way to get the Company INVOLVED!

We have to wonder what state is communication like in the Alien Universe at the time of Alien Covenant?

So if the Covenant Ship which was delayed by less than 8 weeks with the events of Alien Covenant, was to reach Origae-6 around the year 2111-2112 as planned, would and how could the company know about what had transpired?  The Covenant would likely had reached Origae-6 in the year 2111-2112 if it had proceeded as planned, and then what happens? Franco contacts W-Y to say they arrived?

So the Olive Branch is a Plot Device to allow for ONE of the incoming Parties to arrive.

The notion that David is off to Origae-6 instead of staying on Planet 4, as well as maybe because of those TWO good reasons IMoonGirl mentioned is another reason to pull the ENGINEERS into the Story, we could not have David set up his experiments on Planet 4 and then have the Engineers turn up as then how do we pull in the OTHER Parties especially if ONE is the Company.

So having Origae-6 as the Center Piece is Logical.

I would like to touch upon the AI as this could be interesting...

I dont know if anyone from FOX ever came across what little i posted regarding my Prometheus 2, which i kept a lot to myself as i abandoned it but i did use it as the basis to discus things AC related once we saw the MEET WALTER Virals come around.

My P2 did touch upon creation, and mortality it had a David dream much like the AC Prologue, but David was playing Chess with Weyland.... my idea was that Weyland had a Secret Agenda and Plan called OPERATION ROOK in that Weyland had a Tower on Mars that contained a lot of his works and Weylands ULTIMATE Agenda was to Build the Perfect AI that could Mimic Human Emotions, Experience Human Experiences and Learn from them...   As well as Build the Perfect Synthetic Host...

Weyland then wanted to Upload his own Emotions, Experiences into a AI Program, that would in essence allow Weyland to Transcend and become IMMORTAL if Weyland could back up his SOUL and Transfer this into a Synthetic then he would have CHEATED DEATH the basis for these ideas came from how from David 1 to David 8 we have the same David, who is Weylands Son... this was because after Each Prototype... Weyland Uploaded Davids SOUL into a New Model.

This in effect gave David a Soul, and then how different is he to us? If there is NO afterlife and our SOUL only consists of our Memories, Emotions that are impacted by our upbringing and experiences.. then HOW DIFFERENT really is David to a Human?

So my idea i worked on early 2014 to mid 2014 touched upon this... its also why Weyland developed certain Technology like the Dream Capture Visor, this was Technology that was the Precursor to Uploading a Humans Soul.

Weyland however found this Technology to not be Perfect, the AI Algorithm and Human Memories proved to conflict so that it would go a bit HAYWIRE and the AI Cloned Soul would go Crazy, more so than we see the effects on David.

so Weyland abandoned his plans... and turned to Dr Shaw and Holloways Gods as the last Chance for Weyland to Cheat Death....

Weyland however, had a back up... he had created a Synthetic Miss Vickers to ensure no one else could overtake the company, and she was ordered after 9 Months of no contact, to reveal herself and take charge of the Company and Activate the Operation Rook Program...  Miss Vickers began this but she was found out to be a Synthetic when a Attempted Assassination by Yutani Geisha had revealed (after Vickers dispatched them) that she was a Synthetic and a Synthetic has NO RIGHTS and so Peter Weylands Nephew would inherit the Company but part of that deal with Yutani was to surrender all Assets apart from Science and Terra forming, all Medical, Military and AI would go to Yutani and this set up the Merger.

Then i was to ponder that Weylands Rook AI uploaded itself and replicated as a Virus and became in control and pulling the Strings... But this AI became a Combination of Davids AI and Weylands.

I BRING this up.... because i would NOW not put something similar past what Plans Ridley Scott has.

Bigdave, what is the Company's obsession with the xenomorph? It seems the Engineer tech is much more useful. Also, how far is Orgae-6 from LV-426? 

The First Question is always a interesting one...

One that makes little sense, especially since Prometheus as we have the Black Goo, and Engineer Technology and why pursue the Xenomorph and not those other things?  We could only ponder that prior to ALIEN we have it where NOTHING remains of the Engineer Technology and Black Goo and so the XENOMORPH is the only remnants of this Technology/Bio Weapon left to obtain.

Now Alien Covenant revealed that David is the Creator of the Xenomorph and he actually passes on what he had done to the Company, it makes it a bit more Strange for the Companies Pursuit of the Xenomorph...

UNLESS.... its revealed that the Company is Ran and maybe behind the Scenes Ran, by AI then the Pursuit of the Xenomorph would make much more Sense.

As for the 2nd Question we dont have any answers...   LV-426 is about 39.7 Light Years from Earth the same distance as LV-223, which takes the Prometheus 2 years approx to reach but the Nostromo 10 Months and we simply dont know how fast the Covenant Ship can Travel... for this we need to know the Distance in Light Years of Origae-6 and all we know for sure is Origae-6 is 8-9 years Travel from Earth.

How far is this depends on the Speed of the Covenant Ship, the Prometheus Travels at just over 19X the Speed of Light and so in 8-9 years the Prometheus would Travel 150-170 Light Years.  The Nostromo could travel at nearly 47X the Speed of Light and so in 8-9 years would reach 370-420 Light Years and so for the Covenant its completely open for debate.

But i would Safely Assume Origae-6 is over 150 Light Years from Earth, but maybe no more than 450 Light Years but again until we have the Distance of Origae-6 or the Distance of Planet 4 its open  to anyone's guess.

I would say however that LV-426 is a good 6-7 years closer Travel than Origae-6 and so i would assume Origae-6 is 5-7X further away from Earth than LV-426