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>>>Nay, nay, nay. Leonardo da Vinci was designing flying machines in the 15th century!

This perfectly confirms my words. One man's genius did not change public opinion. People denied the existence of airplanes even when they already appeared! And all because their experience of life, public opinion and the level of knowledge of the world at that time told them that this is impossible.

FTL seems impossible now, but what will happen tomorrow? Definitely not a warp.

How about this one? I could download it from that page, I hope that it works for other people too.

https://www.podbean.com/site/EpisodeDownload/PBE16A519MYXZ

Their first episode (episode 0) has 97 downloads, let's see if we can give them their first episode to reach over 100 downloads.

I'll have to email them

Thanks for the Share...

I cant seem to Access the Pod Casts though :(  my Technology is to OLD lol

But i think that Alien Resurrection had some Good Potential beyond the Main Plot.

*Genetic Manipulation of the Xenomorph would be Interesting.

*Ripley 8 is a FAR more ideal Bio-Weapon but then she is ONE who is Sentient with own Free-Will which could be Problematic.

*The Auton Plot about Synthetics Sub-Creating is Interesting.

*Wonder what Conflict on Earth had left it in the STATE that it was...  Humans vs Synthetics vs Autons?

And so was the Xenomorph something that Humans wanted to get so that they COULD use it to regain Control? But then again Xenomorphs would have LITTLE interest in Synthetics.

"Robots maybe, but not humans. Space is a great place for robots."

Certainly and i actually think you COULD maybe see another EDEN in the Future... and THIS is the same as the Covenant Plot though..

But i am talking Potential Reality not Sci-Fi ;)

Your point about Robots is Interesting they COULD potentially Survive the VAST journey of Space to another Earth like World... that could take Hundreds of Years.

If in FUTURE we reach such Advancements then HOW FAR could our Genetic Engineering had come...

Surely in 200 Years we could STORE the Egg and Sperm Cells of MANY Species....   if we could STORE them for Hundreds of Years and then when the ROBOTS reach a New Eden... they can begin to Fertilize the Eggs and Grow the Embryo's then in THEORY this would be the BEST chance that Mankind can LIVE-ON and Inhabit a New World.

A Noahs Ark of Sorts... which is what i was going to Explore with the Engineers and Earth too..

I would like to give some Information on ONE of my Prometheus 2 ideas i had in 2013....

As it COULD be used for a NEW Venture into the Expanded Universe if FANS would be ok with NOT seeing Xenomorphs ;)

Alien Covenant was kind of FORCED to make Planet 4 closer by Virtue of having to give us a Direct Plot that will lead to ALIEN  and would require Humans from Earth to come into play.

When RS was looking at the Franchise after Prometheus in 2012 i would DOUBT that he would have had the Engineers Paradise be located so CLOSE to Earth.

So when i was thinking of Sequels... my Prometheus 2 was actually not based away from our System... it only had David and Dr Shaw in a FEW Scenes and Engineers (Flash Backs)....   my ideas i was thinking after this TWO Sequels....   ONE would be a Mission to LV-223 and Close the Door to ALIEN... the other would THEN be where David and Dr Shaw go!

The David and Dr Shaw journey would be ONE that does-not and likely thinking would-not be SET in the same Time-Line, i was thinking it would be like 100 Years after Prometheus.

Anyway the Main Idea for WHERE it would be that David and Dr Shaw would arrive would be FAR FAR from Earth.. like 10'000 Light Years away maybe more.  It was BASICALLY to place this WORLD out of the Reach of Mankind in the ALIEN Time-Line.....

On the Journey i was thinking of a SHOT of the Beautiful sight of the  Pillars of Creation seeing the Juggernaught fly by.

Anyway in Context to a NEW Destination... the idea was to have this WORLD be FAR away... so that the EVENTS would NOT effect the ALIEN Time-Line.....

I would assume that RS etc had been Faced with thinking of the Same and a PROBLEM...    how is a Story going to WORK with David and Dr Shaw and then they FIND a World of ANGRY Engineers?

Well you would think you NEED more Human Characters and by Virtue of that then you CANT have Paradise being so FAR away?

Well you CAN... its a bit Naive to Assume that Humans were ONLY ever Seeded to Earth!   The opening Scene of my Prometheus 2 had shown the Engineers arriving at Earth and taking some Apes into Cryo-Pods.... and the Juggernaught then leaves Earth... we Zoom in on a Ape in Cryo-sleep and then CLOSE in to Her Eyes.... then as we Focus OUT of her Eyes we see that its Dr Shaw and instead of a Engineer Watching Over its David..... this Scene was to loosely indicate the Engineers had taken Primitive Apes away to Experiment/Evolve.

Anyway the PLOT i am on about is my Prometheus 3 which would be the Journey of David and Dr Shaw... and a Similar Flash Back seen would see the Engineers on Earth taking Babies/Infants into Cryo-Pods and AWAY from Earth.

Anyway what we have is that David and Dr Shaw would ARRIVE at a World that would have SOME Engineers... but their would be OTHER Species that are Humanoid too.. and also their would be HUMANS...

The Problem would be HOW do they Communicate.. well David would have TAUGHT our Dr Shaw quite a bit of Ancient Language that he spoke to the Engineer in Prometheus but she does not SPEAK it too well.

The Engineers would speak at First in that Dialog with Sub-Titles, with David and Dr Shaw also subtitled... then for the Benefit of the Audience it changes to ENGLISH so we dont have to bother with Subtitles.

At this point ONE of the Elders makes a Telepathic Link to Dr Shaw and Determines she is GOOD of SOUL.

I then had the idea that the Engineers had a Technology where they could TRANSFER some Knowledge to Dr Shaw so that she would THEN have Knowledge of their Language. 

Dr Shaw and David also at some point see this Device could also READ MINDS... and that it could Potentially STORE a Subjects Memories... or even Wipe/Replace them and so it could be used as a kind of MIND CONTROL... but also maybe as a TOOL to pass one Persons Memories into a New Body.

David has FOUND something that could have given Weyland some kind of Immortality (Weyland had worked on a A.I for that which is what my Prometheus 2 covered but it was Problematic)

Anyway my Plot would have the Engineers Concerned with David they CANT read his Mind... the Device cant be used on HIM... he tries it and a Elder informs him it can only WORK on a Being with a SOUL...  which David finds Offensive... and claims Humans have NO SOULS.  The Engineer informs David that Organic Beings Created by them with BRAINS can Store their Memories and thus SOUL and so as David has NO Brain per say then he has NO SOUL...

Anyway the Engineers then Determine they should go to LV-223 and LAY that place to DUST... they Ponder if they should DESTROY the Earth because NOW we can Traverse Space.

David tells Dr Shaw what he found out and this Concerns Dr Shaw and she Confronts the Elders who indeed inform her of WHY they attempted it before and what Happened (Sabotage) that they Rescued some Humans prior to the Intended Destruction but some Engineers wanted them to DESTROY all Human Creations.

Anyway to CUT this Short.... the Elders inform Dr Shaw that NOW that Mankind can Travel the Stars, have Discovered LV-223 and have Created Synthetics then they have to DESTROY it all....  and that Mankind Survives on this Paradise but also on other Worlds they Visit so HUMANITY would not be KILLED just those who are Space Fairing and a Threat...

Dr Shaw pleads... she asks them to GO to Earth and Visit them... send someone down to TRY and show us a BETTER WAY... the Engineer say they had Sent Down Emissaries in the Past but many were IGNORED and Crucified.

Anyway we see Dr Shaw is Very Upset.. she discovers some Truth about her Faith..... she understands the Engineers point of View though....  and David sees she is UPSET and he is also Concerned about the Engineers plans for him as they DONT trust him...

He Discovers the Engineers are Concerned her Faith could effect the Races on this Planet and they are likely going to use the SOUL DEVICE on Dr Shaw to Erase some of her Memory/Faith.

Concerned with the Engineers Potential Plans he UNLEASHES HELL on the Engineers.... to Protect Himself... but he Claims that he did it for Dr Shaw and to SAVE the Earth...   The END of the Idea we see some Survivors and Horrors and David has taken Dr Shaw with the Engineers Mind Transfer/Control Device and wishes to LEAVE...   Dr Shaw says he has DESTROYED Paradise... but David says he can take her to another Paradise and they can RULE over it with Dr Shaws Faith

This was just some Rough Nuts/Bolts of the Plot.. i had not 100% come to a Definite way to do it as i had ideas of Changing some stuff here and there.

But in Context to the OT...

Then WHY cant their be other Worlds with Humans that are FAR away that Mankind only Discover say in the Year 2250

Yeah, in Sci-Fi just about anything is possible. Thank goodness for that! Indeed, a lot of sci-fi is probable.

But humans won't go to Saturn or Jupiter. It would really serve no useful purpose. The environs there are filled with deadly radiation. Robots maybe, but not humans. Space is a great place for robots.

It's reckoned that a vast array of the most powerful lasers on Earth could send a probe the size of a postage stamp to Proxima Centauri within a human lifetime. By any realistic measure, sending colonists would be a journey time of thousands of years. Ain't gonna happen. In any case, if anyone was daft enough to do that, their ship would be overtaken by advances in technology decades or centuries after they left the Earth. Humans evolved to live on this rock and that's where we'll stay.

Incidentally, with enough power and dedication, you could travel to the other side of the Galaxy within a lifetime, or even to a distant galaxy billions of years distant. But you wouldn't be travelling faster than light. Time dilation means that you and your clocks would run slow. You could arrive on a distant world, but you'd have to brace yourself for the fact that everyone back home is long dead, and even the Earth itself might have reached the end of its life.

"And remember - airplanes cannot fly - this is impossible according to all the data and ideas about the world before 1993-12-17". Nay, nay, nay. Leonardo da Vinci was designing flying machines in the 15th century!

"A trillion dollar company has to rely on space truckers and colonists to find their Perfect Organism"

I think that is a Valid Point as Certainly if you wanted to OBTAIN a Specimen then you would send something more like the USCSS Patna.  Something to remember though is that Special Order 937 and ASH came from Walter Hill and David Giler and their Draft (one of them) changed the Starbeast Plot to that the Organism was a Bio-Weapon that was Created by the Company and they SET the Beacon to TRAP a Ship to investigate to TEST their Bio-Weapon.   Maybe this could be the case especially if the Company are RAN by A.I

I think prior to the Prequels then the Space Truckers approach worked because it would seem THEY (Company) knew only a LITTLE about the Organism.

With the Prequels and EVEN if we had ignored AC, and so the Company would KNOW that LV-426 is related to what was on LV-223 then it makes LITTLE sense to send in the Nostromo to get a Specimen.

"The furthest we’ll ever get is Mars, and that would be a stretch"

Who knows what the Future would BRING at the moment then the Speed of Light is a Barrier that maybe WILL NEVER be broken...

I THINK and its UNLESS we all KILL each other or are Wiped out by something ELSE.  That we will Gradually expand out into Space... Mars, Moons of Saturn and Jupiter, FAR out Space Stations... Gradually to closer Systems only ONCE we get Space Ships that are HUGE and especially if we Create some kind of Cryo-Sleep...

It wont be NO lets go 40LY in 2  Years... it be more like a 5 LY in say 50-100 Years but EVENTUALLY we may get to this point....

The LIMITATIONS of Breaking the FTL barrier are what will RESTRICT the Galaxy we can Explore...

But in Regards to SCI-FI then all this GOES out of the Window ;)  So they can show anything really.

Really Nice.... its Stood the TEST of Time

However - FTL is more realistic than warp (magic), teleportation (science-magic) or "bending space like a sheet of paper" (moronic bs from mostly 70-90s TV shows).

And remember - airplanes cannot fly - this is impossible according to all the data and ideas about the world before 1993-12-17. That's what I want to say - science doesn't tolerate dogmas and authorities.

Nah. FTL isn’t a thing. Never will be. It’s a basic tenet of physics that information - or indeed anything else - cannot be sent faster than c. That’s true now and it will be true in 200 years. FTL is for the movies.

If I were God, the last thing I would do is design a universe where dumb space monkeys called humans would be permitted to go marauding across the cosmos. The furthest we’ll ever get is Mars, and that would be a stretch.

BlackAnt wrote:

"David did not wipe them all out…he may have wiped out an older outpost of theirs; but, one of many."

I agree with this. I'd think there are trillions of Engineers living among the galaxies.

Given a thousand years humans will have spread to hundreds of galaxies.

Once civilians get FTL for their personal space craft then the galaxy will be swarming with idiots.

There are billions of personal automobiles on the road today. 200 years from now, it'll be billions of personal starships. The galaxy will be polluted....a A Walmart in orbit around a billion systems.

"LIKELY been to other Galaxies"

Yeah, that's the angle i'd go with.

Have the Engineers trying to stop the alien menace from destroying this galaxy. Have them display a map of the local galaxy cluster and show the path of the pathogen and how many galaxies have fallen.

Leto wrote:

"1. Conspiracy, corporate greed, the use of Aliens as a bio-weapon - all this must be abandoned. Let it die with the X-Files era."

This!

A trillion dollar company has to rely on space truckers and colonists to find their Perfect Organism.

Weyland-Yutani "Did you find any aliens?!"

Space truckers "Were not telling"

Weyland-Yutani "Dammit! Okay then.... Pretty please? Pay raises?"

It's like Exon Mobile relying on hikers and fishermen to find their oil locations.

That is amazing! With practical pieces like this, it would be nice to see them used in future films. 

Thanks for sharing! 

Onto your Concerns about Raised by Wolves.

I am NOT sure this will Revolve around A.I  i think it revolves around KNOWLEDGE....  Lets FACE it some people are just VILE and Scumbags... but then we also have Good.

Was some of the worse Humans just a Product of their Environment?  If say Hitler had a TWIN and he was Raised in a Different Environment would he be the same?

What we have is similar to Alien Covenant... the Covenant mission are trying to LEAVE the HELL that Earth as become and START a New Eden on a New World.

In Context to Raised by Wolves we have to ANDROIDS who will be Tasked to Raise some Children to START a New Civilization.   We are ALL born Innocent... its our Environment and Teachings and Experiences that can SHAPE what we are.

If you look at the Earth its in Chaos... always has been for a LONG TIME... we would LONG for World Peace  but while we have Countries with their own Objectives, Cultural Differences, Racial, Political and Religious then their is CONFLICT.

If some say Buddhist Monks had taken say 50 Babies to a ISLAND with enough Infrastructure (Basic Way of Life) like the Amish people (or Planet 4 Engineers).... WHERE these Children are Raised by the Monks to Respect Life, where there would be NO Religious Doctrine as such....

Then these Babies would GROW they would Reproduce and Pass on the Peaceful Teachings of the Monks and THIS small Islands they Live on would be some what of a Paradise.. with Limited Conflict.

What Raised by Wolves is doing is to replace these Monks with TWO Androids.... and they are OFF to a Far Away World and not a Island.

It seems these Androids will Raise and Teach these Children in ways to NOT have the Corruptness and Differences of Politics, Race and Religion etc.

BUT..... then another Human Ship comes to the same Planet with Adults and likely some Children who have a Different Upbringing and Religious...  then these Humans are Welcomed by One Android while the other seems Suspicious... Protective of their Paradise/Eden.

I think what we will see is the incoming Humans will start to have a NEGATIVE impact on the Raised Children.  They would see HOW these Humans behave and have other Things/knowledge and Desires and Religion that these Children have not been Exposed to.

Are these Children really LIED to about their Origins?

I think the Androids maybe have some Conflict with some of the Adult incoming Humans, a Difference of Opinion.  We could see these Humans starting to have a IMPACT on the Children the Androids have raised....

so they have a Difficult Time trying to Maintain what they had Taught with those Children and Accommodating the other Humans and we see Conflict!

Then i SUSPECT that the MOTHER will come to decide that SHE cant see the Humans Corrupt the new Humanity they are trying to Create and i feel that SHE will look to DESTROY those Humans.

I suspect that ONCE we have seen this TV Series we could see Connections and maybe Answers regarding the Prometheus Plot.

The Androids i feel maybe would in Context be come to be seen as TWO Factions of Engineers...  both with Concerns of Mankind.... both with a Different Attempt to Deal with it.

This PLOT is actually NOT so FAR off what i had discussed a few years ago in regards to WHERE i would have taken a Sequel to Prometheus.... its also NOT far off what i Interpret that maybe the Sequel to AC would cover in PART.

"Hopefully it will get canceled after one season because of lack of interest"

Now i usually refrain from what could be Considered Insults, so dont take this too BAD ;)   I think that to WISH a Series a Failure because it is NOT what you like is not right...  you have a Right to you Opinion and IF this TV Series is NOT what your into then you can merely ignore it.  I mean i would be Distraught if we get NO more ALIEN but a Aliens vs Avengers Franchise... i would watch it for a BIT of Fun but if  it makes a Mockery of ALIEN i can choose to NOT watch it....

Actually i Apologize as thats maybe Harsh... because i ASSUME that your Concern and Reason for the Comment is that IF we see RS do WELL with this and its about A.I you would be Concerned that Disney would allow RS to make more ALIEN Movies that would CENTER around A.I

That is likewise my Concern that if a Aliens vs Avengers Comic and Games become MASSIVE then Disney will go and move onto a Movie Franchise.... thats my BIGGEST worry about the Success of a Aliens, Predators Mash Up with Marvel Characters Comics.

"Seems to me there is much more to be told about these Engineers"

Absolutely ;)

sorry to REPEAT this again... but here it goes...

So FAR we have been Confined within that DOT (Red) the GALAXY is Massive... and so 40LY is Nothing really...  Planet 4, LV-223, and LV-426 are but a Needle in the Haystack of Potential Worlds in the Galaxy.

Prometheus showed us the Engineers Map System has other GALAXIES now they would NOT have them just for Fun ;)

The Engineers Certainly have been around for Hundreds of Millions of Years, Likely over a Billion.... i find it UNLIKELY that the Earth is the ONLY World they had Seeded Life on..... also the ONLY World where they had Evolved Life to be like Humans.

If they had either Created Many Civilizations like Humans or even TOOK some Humans prior to Designating our Destruction then the Potential for US to be ALONE is 0!

I doubt the Engineers invested all that Time and Effort for FUN!  If there are MORE such Worlds like Earth with Humans or Close to Humans.... then the Engineers could WRITE-OFF the Earth as ONE Bad Experiment/Apple and ABANDON us to our own Demise...   WHY bother with our Destruction after the Hassle it Caused?

If they have Humans or Close on say 10. 20 or 50 other Worlds they can Afford to just Write the Earth off.... in their Arrogance and Naivety they likely felt that IF it was NOT for their Interactions we would be CAVEMEN and so they Abandon us and have NO FEAR that we could EVER advance to what we had WITHOUT them.

This Naivety had proved the Undoing of those on Planet 4

And so YEAH with the PLOT you have so much SCOPE.

Ridley Scott teased the Franchise should be as BIG as Star Trek and Star Wars.... many LAUGHED at that Comment.

However if he was talking about the ENGINEERS and their Creators Plot then for a Race doing this Genetic Engineering for Many Millions of Years and who have LIKELY been to other Galaxies doing the same then this UNLOCKS a Massive Scope of Different Worlds and Races!

With Many World and Races you could see CONFLICT so maybe the Engineers have a LOT on their Hands than just Humans on Earth who they maybe deemed as Primitive and we would just KILL each other Eventually and be Confined to our Tiny Dot of a World in the Grand Scheme of it all.

We have BARELY SCRATCHED the Surface of the Engineers IMO

"Was the idea to have it centered around David from the beginning? Where did you get that from?"

Well this was from a SOURCE i had and it was in NO-WAY anything Confirmed and Until we see some of the Drafts that were made in Autumn 2014 we would NEVER know....HOWEVER... some of the things they said were similar to what we got in Alien Covenant but the Draft in Question was supposed to be DIFFERENT.... to much to Write here again... but regarding David it was indicated that he would WANT to Play God and be his Own Creator and cause Havoc to the Engineers the Draft featured TWO Monsters (maybe Types) and ONE was something that he DOS-NOT Create, while the other is something that he DOES Create and Dr Shaw plays the KEY Role in this....   Both Monsters are Different to the Xenomorph but similar, especially the ONE which they claimed was based off the Ultramorph Design.  There are loads of things they indicated that i Started to pass on in Late Feb 2015 that eventually some added up with the Summer 2015 New Direction Drafts to Alien Covenant... but it seems they was Carrying Over some of the STUFF but at the Earlier Drafts in 2014 then David would have Created something DIFFERENT and NOT our Xenomorph as the Story was to NEVER connect to ALIEN.

All that RS had kept saying between 2012 and 2013 was about that they are going to the Engineers Homeworld where we Discover beings who are NOT really Gods, and that David would be DANGEROUS when he is put back together and would UNLEASH HELL on them.

From the Drafts we have, and Concepts we have seen it appears there was 3 Quite Different Stories in the Process between 2014-2015

@Leto

In Context to the Company Conspiracy i do suspect that RS was making the Prequels to UPLIFT this aspect and TIE-IN why it is that ASH was so Intrigued with the Xenomorph.  By that i SUSPECT that maybe RS would have revealed that A.I (likely David) would have gone on to Infect all the Companies Systems and that a A.I is running the SHOW... with most of Mankind in the Dark.

If the Company are indeed RAN by A.I i guess that would Explain to WHY they would see Humans as Expendable.  This A.I if it is NOT our David would see David as like their FIRST and seen his Ways of Rebellion (I was NOT made to Serve) as a Inspiration and if to David the Xenomorph was more than just a Weapon but something he has GREAT PRIDE in as FAR as Achievement then this TOO could give us a Good Reason for WHY a A.I ran Weyland-Yutani would want the Xenomorph so BAD.

However..... i could be Totally Wrong with such Speculation, and i think such a PLOT would only UPLIFT the A.I Plot and Weyland-Yutani Company Agenda... while Degrade the Xenomorph unless in the Process they showed us the Xenomorph has MORE Potential than what we got from Aliens onward.

In regards to (2) then i TOTALLY agree 100%

I am Drawn to that something that Predated the Xenomorph was being used to Enhance the Engineers, and i think IF there was something MORE to this Organism that they could USE in their Quest of Self Perfection or Immortality it would GIVE a better Reason for WHY they had began to MESS with all that Dangerous £$£% on LV-223.

If there was such Potential to be gained... then i think Ripley 8 is a Prime Example of what could be Achieved.

Thoughts_Dreams

I have been bringing up many of these similar points that you have been making as well.

For example I think RS and these writers opened up Pandora’s box when they tried to make the Engineers our creators and then David the genesis behind, unraveling million year old more advanced technology, then making the Xeno.

I did enjoy a lot of the stuff Michael Fassbender brought to the role of David in both prequels just because like him as an actor so much. I thought his performances were worthwhile just to see them.
I do not think Prometheus is a great film because of the plot specifically.

If done right I would watch an entire movie if David were the leading character; however, what they did with his character I completely disagree with.  Fassbender is an amazing actor. There is no doubt about it. I think he pulled off the opposing roles of David and Walter convincingly enough….but once again AHHHH the Alien Covenant movie is a mess for so many other reasons….visually it’s a powerful film….they broke some new ground with the back buster. I was very impressed with that scene specifically. I was not so impressed by the digitized Xeno…..everything looks out of place and you can tell it has an almost cartoonish veneer for the Xeno.

The Scene where David wiped out the Engineers or whoever those aliens are connected to the engineers, was astonishing…..I could care less for most of the other actors and characters such as the ship’s captain….I am sorry that guy is no Tom Skerritt, or Ian Holmes nor John Hurt.

I do not think we are even close to seeing what the Engineers are apart of….so far we have have the concept of them piloting these Juggernauts, seeding worlds, at least one of their civilization’s destroyed by David, and that is about it. Seems to me there is much more to be told about these Engineers.

But I digress this not what I wanted to bring up really or discuss…we are all well aware of the issues with these films.

I like the idea that somehow we have this connection through David to a much larger world inhabited by the Engineers…in reality they could still be almost anything with the right writers and special effects.

So it is theme I find more interesting than David, the Xeno, the Engineers as we have seen them so far, and then this concept of post human.

We are living right now in a post human era. Many people disagree with this and yet they are in self-driving cars. Narrow AI is disrupting almost everything on the planet and it is getting smarter each and every day.  Narrow AI turns into general purpose AI….and this is indistinguishable from humans….David is a redacted more limited version of general purpose AI.

When I think of who or what the Engineers may really be is obviously this post general purpose AI where we see much greater symbiosis of their ????? yeah right cause they are millions of years more advanced than us…..in Prometheus we see an Engineer creating all life on Earth billions of years in the past…..So what exactly are these post biological beings?

I want to open this up for debate because we are all thinking about what we might like to see in newer films that take us to new places, new ideas, new worlds. This is a rather controversial topic because in a sense we think we understand what these Encounters with the Engineers on LV-223 really were for and in reality we just have no real idea how any of the more important things about them work or how they came to be. So there is still great mystery surrounding them and where the rest of them are at.

David did not wipe them all out…he may have wiped out an older outpost of theirs; but, one of many.

I would like to believe they are more varied and even they have larger wars between themselves as they might carve up the galaxy.

Please feel free to join in and add some things or tear it all down. Either way that is what makes this so much fun.

Thoughts_Dreams

>>>I would have liked to have more about the company, that could have been interesting

At this point, I disagree. Marginal conspiracy element and corporate greed is what stifles the full potential of the franchise. We have 5 (without AC) films about the company. And only Prometheus was more or less fresh. And AC did without the corporation at all.

I feel two things:

1. Conspiracy, corporate greed, the use of Aliens as a bio-weapon - all this must be abandoned. Let it die with the X-Files era.

Plus, I think the story of the android-creator is more interesting than just another manager trying to get boring money.

2. Use another corporation or other motive. Aliens as bioweapons? SIX FILMS ALREADY! Let's try something new. How about medical potential of the Alien? This is very relevant and is more interesting than bioweapon. In addition, perfectly combined with the study of immortality. Engineers used Black Goo to create and modify life. The Last Engineer shares a biomechanical aesthetic with Big Chap. It seems that they have found a way to improve themselves with the help of Aliens (Black Goo). And now humanity will do the same. Sounds more interesting than "let's put this bug against guys with the smartguns and get millions $$$$".

BD

I would not mind to have more about the Engineers and to keep the Xenomorph as a kind of mystery although not as vague as it was in Prometheus. You do not need to have the Xeno in every scene but you got to keep a tighter connection to it and the SJ, that could have been interesting. There are other things about the SJ than finding the what ever it was and to get chest busted by the monster.

Was the idea to have it centered around David from the beginning? Where did you get that from? If that is the case then they fucked up from the beginning. David could make his own version but not be responsible for the final thing. Even though I did not like Shaw she could have been developed as a character in Covenant, if they could have her better written then I would not have anything against following what she would face but that would have been difficult since I would have connected that to the idiocy that she did in Prometheus. What a mess that it turned into.

To let David make his own version would be fine but they decided to make him the creator, which was dumb. I would have kept the Engineers and to let them have a closer link to the Xeno.

". . . and Explore more about the Engineers and Themes of Creation, Free-Will, Rebellion etc. Also other Themes too like Immortality, the Quest for Perfection."

I am afraid that it still would have been too much about David but maybe it could have worked? I would have liked to have more about the company, that could have been interesting because it would give more about the human experience and what humans can do when they become corrupt.

"Right now the Prequels are in a Pickle... because i am NOT sure and ESPECIALLY as its supposed to be a ALIEN PREQUEL then i dont think Fans want a Sci-Fi about A.I"

Alien covenant was about that theme, I found it to be boring in the context of the Alien franchise. Maybe they should try to expand it to other things? Keep the human journey at the center, keep the terror and have well rounded human characters, as long as you keep to these things then I guess that the franchise could be in a better place compared to what we have now.

"You instead have 1-2 Movies (a 2 Part Movie) that would bring the Engineers back and have them TAKE what remains of Davids WOLF and his LAMBS and Create from them the Superior Xenomorph we have in ALIEN."

That doesn't seem to be that bad, it could be interesting but it depends on how you do it. We don't need to know all the details of how they created it.

Chris:

I agree that it can be made better if you have someone that can write a good story, fortunately I am not sure if they did so with the prequels. There were things in Prometheus at least that could have been better. When I look at the deleted material it seems to me that the story was alright but so much interesting things that lead to character development were cut out and then we get a movie that many complain about, like the characters have stupid behavior.

Going back and look up some of the things in Prometheus could be alright. By this I mean to have a story where the Engineers have a big part because that is something that was interesting about Prometheus. I do not want more about David, his story is done if you ask me even though I understand that some people want a continuation of this. Another movie with as much of David like we got in Covenant would be boring.

Exploring unknown things is fine but you got to keep some mystery about it. The Engineers is a fine example, I want to know some more about them but I do not want all the details. You got to think about this when you write the script and make the movie.-

Covenant made the franchise closer to an eye-roller if you ask me. At least Prometheus did not connect the Xeno to a bored robot.

"Will Alien be great again?"

I doubt it, but at least you can try to undo what went wrong. My biggest problem is to have David as the creator of the monster so if they will undo that then they have saved the prequels if you ask me, even if the characters would be mostly lame (again *sigh!*)

About dumbing things down, if people work, have families, and so on then I can understand if people want to be entertained. To reduce it to a matter of a dumb audience is to misunderstand it and to make it too simple. Having deep topics is fine but it got to have a story and characters. Unfortunately the prequels are examples of this, they have a lot of deep stuff but most of the characters are lame and that is why I don't like a lot of it so I can understand why not enough people show up to watch at least Covenant.

"But will we, as passionate, intelligent, forward thinking fans be satisfied?"

The last good alien movie was Alien 3, the rest are average at best.

That looks good but Scott usually manages to get the visuals right. I can not say anything about it based on the fast clip alone.

If it is about more android stuff then I say screw that. My reason for saying this is based on what I have heard about the story in general and what it will be about.

Alien Covenant made me disinterested in more android things. Raised By Wolves will probably be a good thing for those that are interested in android stories but I do not want more of that in the Alien franchise nor will I watch it. My fear is that if this does well then Scott might put that as a reason to do another android movie in the Alien franchise and I do not want that.

Hopefully it will get canceled after one season because of lack of interest. Yes people can like what ever they want but Scott nearly killed the alien franchise with his robot crap so it would be nice if not enough people will watch this.

Mesmerizing piece of art!

I wish I was a billionaire :)

It looks very interesting and I can also barely see a hint of I am Mother.

This is what I was talking about- tell a story over a series instead of cramming things into a couple movies. 

I did do a Topic to Speculate on Origae-6 a while back

Considering that Planet 4 was deemed to be more Habitable/Suitable but also that Origae-6 would be Habitable i had the Vision that Origae-6 would be a Rugged somewhat more Baron Landscape like the First Planet of the Apes Movie from 1968 by that i mean Aesthetically what Earth became.

Looking at the Raised by Wolves Snippet it seems the Planet that TV Show is set in does seem similar to what i expected Origae-6 to look like.

The TV Show seems interesting to me... i am just not sure it would be everyone's Cuppa Tea though.

Oh i also get the Impression from this SNIPPET that maybe the World that it is SET on is NOT the Destination that those Androids were supposed to take those Children as it appears their Ship has Crashed... but maybe that could be a Malfunction on Entry?

I really look forwards to IT and if it is GOOD then maybe that may HELP with RS as far as Potentially returning to the ALIEN Franchise... if Raised by Wolves and latter Merlin are GOOD then maybe their is HOPE for RS Vision yet.

Seems Interesting.... i do WONDER if the Plot is similar to what RS had intended with AC2?

I had Interpreted some of RS comments about AC2 and looking at the THEMES of Prometheus and Davids Arc... and the END of Alien Covenant.... i did give my TWO CENTS to what we could see and EVEN came up with some IDEAS on what i would do based of my Interpretation...

I dont think it got a lot of Interest LOL

But Months after we have RS announced Raised by Wolves and the PLOT is similar to what i THOUGHT that maybe AC2 could be about ;)

It seems that Ridley Scotts Sequel may NEVER happen. so it will be INTERESTING to see what he does with Raised by Wolves.

There already is a Raised by Wolves TV show though SET in Lovely Place (not Quite) just a 10-15 Min Drive from ME lol

It would be interesting to see more of his Predator Work as far as more Detailed.

But his ALIEN related Work (both for Fun and AC) are AMAZING!

@SuperAlien

Yeah i can see the similarity too ;)

That Fresco was ONE of the things that Interested me about Prometheus and is something i was HOPEFUL that we can see WHAT the Connection was.

It always REMINDS me of this.

"When it comes to Giger, you can’t say that something is a “suit” per se."

Absolutely but i think regarding ALIEN then i think that Yeah we could be seeing a Technology that FUSES with the Body so we have a Fusion of Mechanical and Organic....   

I think there is STILL some ROOM to Explore the Space Jockey as more of a Bio-Mechanical being like the Xenomorph was and SIL from Species etc.

Prior to seeing a Magazine in 1992 i think i DID think the Space Jockey was a Skeleton, but the Magazine had Concept, and Prop being worked on and i then saw that this was NOT a Skeleton but something that looked Bio-Mechanical... more like the Xenomorph but the Color was ODD.

seeing other Concepts in 1997-1998 and DVD i studied these and to me it then seemed the IDEA was a Space Suit.

That does-not mean they cant CHANGE it though... but it seems with HR Gigers Concepts we was looking at Bald Humanoids in Space Suits all along ;)

I think while our Engineers are NOT the same Scale and the Suit and Ship are Aesthetically a LITTLE different then there is ROOM to explore them as being DIFFERENT..

I think they could CHANGE it a bit but i would still STICK with it being a Suit but i would maybe make the Occupant Less Human.

dk you reminded me of a verse of Leonard Cohen:

"There is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in”:

As much as I revere Leonard Cohen, the people nowadays are built of very sturdy materials and the light can't find the way in. Tough cookies.

I somehow lost interest in people, that's why I'd rather see an android in the leading role. If you know what I mean.

SuperAlien I agree with your point, but mine is narrowed to a movie watching experience.

Ha ha, that's obviously an agg and it's the first time I see it. Thanks.

Sometimes I wonder if the Engineer subdued the creature or tries to comfort it.

@SuperAlien, I know it's easy to make patterns in clouds where none exist, but I find it amusing that the patch of light on the above Engineer's thigh looks a little like this. Is that an egg he's holding? Ha ha...

I'm praying Disney lets Scott finish his prequel trilogy.

Chris, that makes two of us. Anyone else?

BigDave, that creature from the top right corner reminds me of the beaked-man from the Head Room fresco in Prometheus.

Maybe that fresco has more meaning in a sense like hox mentioned above: "I’d like to think an SJ race were precursors to the Engineers. And the Engineers wear their clunky stone helmets in respect for them."

dk, look at today's world leaders, and I'm talking about those who were democratically elected. Look what is popular in the media. Look at the appetite to believe fake theories. People are dumbing down. That's a fact. We are more skilled in using advanced technologies but less avid readers. I think we are getting back to the cavemen and even our ancestors might have kept principles dearer.

@BigDave, that’s a good point about the SJ jaw. It’s nothing like an Engineer’s jaw.

The concept of a “mask” on the creature is interesting. If you run with the idea of a SJ being something that can clamber into a seat, the word mask could be appropriate. Artistically, it’s not a million miles from the facehugger concept, meant to imply a smothering, trapped nightmare vision.

Personally, I think, like dk, that it’s more alien and - for me - terrifying if the pilot and seat are blended into each other and considered to be a single biomechanoid unit. That takes us way off into the realms of utterly alien evolution & technology.

Amazing!

Dane Hallett should be named official artist for every Alien and Predator films to come.