MAKE ALIEN GREAT AGAIN!

Sure.

I think it'd take an A-list actor though, and that would eat up a good chunk of the budget.

I'd like to see Chris Evans play a colonial marine...(He could even play Hicks). 

Even though a reboot of Star Trek was successful, I doubt it would work for Alien. Even if it was a good movie, a large part of the fan base would probably pick it apart and pan it.

A movie based on the time line between Aliens and A3 might work and there have been a couple ways discussed on how that could go. The problem is that a younger audience who weren't even alive during that golden age might not buy into it.

Everybody knows a new movie will not please everybody else. Hate to say it, but maybe it's time for Marvel to forge ahead to appeal to a younger demographic and let them enjoy their own experience like we have with the Quadrilogy and prequels. We can always participate. Who knows- we might actually like it.

I will comment on this!!! Have no fear! It's coming Alien fans and you know it......

I think the Franchise Theatrically has LOST its GREATNESS.

How you attempt to regain that GREATNESS is a Difficult Task!  I think we Fundamentally have to Look at WHAT was GREAT about the Franchise.

In 1979 the World was introduced to the Franchise with the First Movie.... The Cult Classic ALIEN.  While there had been other Space Monster Movies what really made ALIEN so different was Firstly the Horrific Life-Cycle of the Beast and Secondly the Aesthetically Appearance of the Beast that made it so UNIQUE and NEW.

With Ridley Scott at the Helm this was Visually Stunning for its Time, a Claustrophobic Horror our First Introduction to the Cosmic Horror is surely one of the GREATEST Sci-Fi Horrors in Hollywood History.

Supported by a Small Cast that Portrayed their Characters really well, and interesting Sub-Plot regarding the Weylan-Yutani company and Special Order 937 from the Moment we First saw the Egg right until we saw the Beast Fired out into Space, i am sure MOST of us agree this is a Masterpiece.

In 1986 we was introduced to a Sequel with ALIENS, now it was Highly Likely that a Sequel would go back to LV-426.  While ALIEN had a lot of Mystery Connected to it, the Sequel decided to Concentrate on the Iconic ALIEN Monster Once again.

James Cameron had decided to give us Action Sci-Fi take on the Franchise and Introduced the Queen.  While this may have NOT been what some Fans had in Mind/Hopes for a Sequel i think the Incarnation that we got with ALIENS is the ONE that Most people would Recognize. 

Seeing Multiple Xenomorphs (as they were NOW coined) was a Exciting way to Re-Introduce the Iconic Monster, the revelation of a Egg Laying Queen also will go down as Iconic.   While introducing the Beast as some Species that have a Natural Instinct to Procreate and Act like a Hive, the Space Bugs (or Space Termites as i like to call them) was something that some FANS felt had restricted the Iconic Monster to a Dumb Bug Movie (Actually the Xenomorphs showed a Good Deal of Intelligence in this Movie).  While this is WHERE some Division began because what we got is MAYBE not what some Fans would have expected from ALIEN, it none the Less is the Most Recognized Incarnation of the Franchise and a SOLID Action Sci-Fi, yes its a bit Popcorn but it shows how to Execute a Good Popcorn Action Flick.   With Starship Troopers being a example of a Lesser Quality Popcorn.

It seemed that Ripleys Journey had ENDED... she had LOST her Daughter due to being in Cryo-Sleep for 57 Years, she had to go back to Face her Demons on LV-426 and it seemed the Menace was Finally Over... and that with Newt and Hicks maybe their was some kind of Family Life in store for her!

At this POINT i think while some Fans maybe did-not like to see the Portrayal we got in ALIENS, i would say in General these Movies both made the Franchise GREAT.

NEXT....... is when things Started to Divide Opinion.

In 1992 we was Once Again given a Alien Movie.... and i WONT go into too much Detail with regards to ALIEN 3 because it did have a Problematic Production.  I think there was Elements that had Displeased the Fans.

*Xenomorph was NOT as Good as what we had seen before, but it was trying something a BIT Different.  Visually it was not as SOLID as we seen before. But i still think the Runner was still a Formidable Threat.

*Change of Direction in regards to this being more closer to ALIEN than a ALIENS and so NO Multiple Xenomorphs, no Guns etc..  I think this may have Disappointed Some, for others it was a Welcome Change.  Again i dont think the TYPE of Plot was a Problem.  I think Alien 3 is a little Underrated but certainly not to the Standard Set prior.

*End of a Era.... this Movie saw the eventual Death of the ALIENS Cast, and i think THIS really did UPSET a Fair Few Fans.  Should Ripley have had the Happy Ending?  Nope this is ALIEN and its a Cruel Universe.  You could NOT have brought back Carrie Henn as Newt and her Death adds some Gravity/Loss to Ripley. 

However... i would say that maybe KILLING of Hicks was not Needed.... with regard to Ripley well it brought some Closure to her Story with a Worthy Sacrifice..

But that was IT... Ripley was Dead... the Xenomorph seemed Dead... and END OF A ERA!

In 1997 we Finally had another ALIEN Venture when they Resurrected the Alien and Ripley with Alien Resurrection

It seemed the Studio had concluded that if you needed a ALIEN Movie then you needed Ripley back and so the Clone Plot was introduced.... For some the Character of Ripley 8 was just not our Beloved Ripley. 

While the Clone Plot was Flawed/Odd it did offer some Glimpses to something NEW, our Xenomorphs a little Different.  Ripley was back even more BAD-ASS and the Plot was more Action again.  But Execution  was NOT that Good.

While the Queen was not shown much, and was Killed by its own Birthed Off Spring the Newborn... i think on One-Hand this was something NEW the Idea of Hybrids its Interesting but the Execution/Portrayal of the New Born was NOT everyone's Cup of Tea... also including its Interaction with Ripley 8

But i applaud the Movie for TRYING to do something Different and i see the Potential with Ripley 8 and i also think the AUTON subplot was something that could be Explored.... but what we would be GETTING TOO is something that would Deter/Change too much from what Fans saw in ALIEN/ALIENS.

I think CHANGE is something that Some Fans are NOT that Comfortable with.... and maybe trying to STEER AWAY from what made ALIEN/ALIENS so Iconic is something thats a RISK.

I wont TRY and Discus the AVP Franchise much... just that Visually the First Movie was Decent, it was Popcorn Action and when Considering it as NONE-CANON then i think actually it was NOT bad...

But it was again a Movie (especially with AVPR) that kind of Degraded the Xenomorph compared to its Original Incarnation in ALIEN.

It had been a NUMBER of Years... before the Prequels.. and again i WONT go much into Detail with them...

Originally then YES we was going to get Xenomorphs, and some Answers/Clues to LV-426 but then Prometheus was Born which was to NOT be a ALIEN Movie and was to STEER AWAY from the ALIEN Franchise.

But at THIS POINT the Xenomorph was a Mystery.. the LV-426 Derelict a Mystery.

For Some Fans they were Missing the Xenomorph, there was a LOT of Interest in Blomkamps Alien 5

Then we GET to Alien Covenant which is WHERE things seem to have taken a Wrong-Turn!

Without trying to GO into Detail.... i think when we are looking at HOW do you Introduce and Resurrect the Xenomorph after Alien Resurrection

Then to Introduce it as Part of the Plot in Alien Covenant and thus indicating the Origin was NOT that ALIEN or Ancient... but the Creation of a Bored and Psychotic Robot....  is something that had Degraded the Xenomorph.

So in Context to MAKING ALIEN GREAT....

Then Prior to Alien R what made it Great was in Part the Story of Ripley, but her Journey Ended and you DONT have to have a Ripley to make a ALIEN Movie.  But what the First 3 Movies did well was Better Use and Execution of Characters.

The Next thing that made it GREAT was the BEAST and How Iconic it was.... while its a bit Divisive between Fans of the Big Chap vs Camerons Aliens... i think Aesthetically its what Fans liked, i dont think MANY of the Fans would LIKE to see things Changed too FAR... Aesthetically.

I think you then have to look at HOW Often can you Keep Repeating the same Ideas and Aesthetic before it gets Stale for some though... this is where some Division remains.  The First Time we saw the Beast it was Original and a Enigma.... with Aliens it became Cool but in all Mediums we have seen the Aliens Version shown more, which is Cool, but i think you had to TRY and Elevate the Beast somewhat (which some Comics/Books tried).

But i think WHAT made the ALIEN so GREAT was....

It was a ENIGMA and the MYSTERY and Eventually then YEAH maybe when Ideas have RAN OUT you may have to ANSWER that Mystery and Enigma.

With the Prequels and Especially with Alien Covenant then the BEAST is NO LONGER that ENIGMA.

If you wish to SKIP the Above History....

The Nut Shell is that the Xenomorph was Original, a Enigma it was something NEVER seen before, with Aliens while it may NOT have been how every Fan would have wanted to see the Xenomorph explored it was STILL a Iconic Movie.

The Beast sadly was NOT as well Executed in Future Movies and we have seen it in Games and Comics over and over, that IF your going to show it AGAIN then for some maybe you need to Elevate it beyond what it was in ALIENS, but for some Fans they Value Aliens as the ULTIMATE Incarnation (Certainly the most Recognized).

It seemed for some the more you see it the LESS of a Enigma it becomes (this depend on HOW its shown and Executed).  With Alien and Aliens it was Executed Very Well.

With ALIEN it was a Enigma, with ALIENS it came across as more like a Space Termite... and so you have to try and UPLIFT the Beast!   But with the Revelations of AC then the MYSTERY has gone but also the ENIGMA is Lost.

So we HIT that Cross-Road as to WHAT do we do?

I dont think that we have to go and introduce Ripley again, even if its to Follow Ripley 8... we can leave that a MYSTERY. 

And so i DONT think you have to go and RETCON any Movie in the Franchise be it that Alien 3 and Alien R are Dreams or Aliens is a Dream!

Ripleys Journey is OVER!

I dont think you HAVE to go and REBOOT the Franchise!

What you going to do REMAKE the Whole LOT?  Do you have Miss Weaver back and De-Age her?  Do you CAST someone else as Ripley?   I thin either way you are GOING to be UPSETTING some Fans.

Do you Reboot Characters?  So we have Male Roby replace Female Ripley (as with the Original Drafts) but then if the REST of the Plot is the same then WHAT is the Point?  If you CHANGE the Xenomorph Aesthetic then you will UPSET the Fans.

You can introduce the Xenomorph and New Characters in a NEW Movie that does-not have to be a Remake/Reboot!

Do you REBOOT the Prequels so that you can Regain some that ENIGMA of the ALIEN?  But then some Fans would NOT be pleased as they Like Prometheus.

The MYSTERY and ENIGMA is what made ALIEN Great!

This is NOW in Grave Jeopardy with Alien Covenant!  Do you Reboot that?  Do you CONTINUE with a Sequel and then TRY and Change things to try and regain that Enigma?

You could give another ALIEN Movie where you SIMPLY dont touch on the Prequels.. not Directly.... so the Eggs you come across  you DONT Indicate their Origins and Date... Certainly as far as either indicating they are from after 2093 or even Thousands of Years Prior!

You leave it a Mystery so we DONT know what Happens after Alien Covenant, we can maybe Pretend the Xenomorph is Ancient.... if you want.

I think you have to go back to Introducing the Xenomorph but then you look at a SET-UP to Enhance it and Evolve it!

The PAST?  forget it... time to Move On! Forwards!

Look at Mankind... we came from mere Apes in the Distant Past (well apparently) i think regardless of that.. or by Aliens or by a GOD or Gods.....  its about WHAT can Mankind become?

We DONT live in Caves anymore and thats what Counts ;)

in Context to the Franchise then maybe the Engineers once lived in Caves too?

So what i am saying is that maybe they can MAKE another ALIEN Movie where the Seeds are their to NOT explore their Origins... but to see how we can UPLIFT and EVOLVE them and this does-not have to be so much Aesthetically but surely to LIFT them beyond Advanced Space Termites.

Thats NOT me calling them BUGZ.. but more so asking to WHAT IF say Hadleys Hope was NOT Destroyed... or WHAT IF a Xenomorph Infestation has taken over a World and what becomes of them YEARS and not WEEKS latter?

Take Planet of the Apes..... at some point in the VERY distant Past... then Mankind was similar to those Apes... we Evolved over Hundreds of Thousands of Years... could Xenomorphs EVOLVE on a Quicker Scale (i dont mean just Aesthetically)

Back to Planet of the Apes... those Apes were merely Apes before HUMANS began Experiments.. and look at their Evolution!

What if the Xenomorph was Experimented on... could we TRIGGER a Evolution?

So maybe this is what we NEED to look at...

AGAIN this will NOT please EVERYONE!

You simply CANT do that.... and THUS... i dont think ALIEN will ever become GREAT again.... But its Certainly NOT Dead... not YET!

Now I don't think they could come across  some eggs and xenomophs and pretend David's fingering did not happen.

So in my opinion, they should first fix the things in a sequel to Alien Covenant, to make it clear that David either found the eggs in the basement or created just his own version. We need closure, otherwise every bit of xenomorph I see takes me back to David's workshop.

I hate the idea of a Marvel Alien crossover, I hope they would resist the temptation. They could take the Predator if they really want a new monster, but leave the xenomorph alone.

BigDave at this stage only David could make Alien great again. With a little help from Ridley Scott.

BigDave You bring up good points. I would be fine if the franchise left the prequels where they are. I liked keeping the Space Jockey and the Xenomorph mysteries. On the other hand, I like the Quadrilogy by itself- warts and all. Another movie made during that time line is possible, but it should not attempt to erase history- that would be both a bold and arrogant move. 

You brought up a common feature of the Quadrilogy that the prequels lacked- memorable characters. The Xeno is out of the bag and doesn't really scare anymore. So besides the characters, we need a great story since we already know about the Xeno. You mentioned that the movies, although some better than others, at least tried something DIFFERENT. THAT is what is needed. To sum- memorable characters, great story and DIFFERENT.

A couple other considerations: like it or not, it's Marvel's baby now. Secondly, there is a new generation that might notice the Xeno, but may not be familiar with the Quadrilogy or might have a casual familiarity with it. Those are going to be the ones to buy tickets and put their butts in the seats. They can go to any movie- Marvel (if a movie is to come of it) needs to give them a reason to buy into this franchise and see THEIR movie (or read their comics for that matter).

If it's a popcorn movie and is popular, GREAT! It would be validated at the box office and serve as a baseline for more movies. If I don't like it, I can always fall back on the Quadrilogy or watch something else. I think the opinion that the franchise should die because it doesn't cater to an individual's expectations is a selfish one.

A GREAT movie would be David coming to a fitting end, at the hands of some brave and abused colonists.

A GREAT movie would be to see the revenge of the Engineers, bearing down on Origae-6.

A GREAT movie would be to see the battle between the Engineers and Space Jockeys (creators of the Engineers, the original black goo and disseminators of Galactic Genocide).

A GREAT movie would NOT be some people running around dark corridors hiding from a Xenomorph. We've seen that too many times already. It's boring.

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I think its VERY Problematic to MAKE a Movie that will Please all the Fanbase.

" We need closure, otherwise every bit of xenomorph I see takes me back to David's workshop."

So i will START with this Good Point at the Moment we have Alien Covenant which indicates to us that as of prior to David's Arrival on Planet 4 then the Xenomorph did-not EXIST

What this PLOT does is TAKE AWAY the ENIGMA of the Xenomorph and REDUCE its Role.

For some people when they NOW go and Watch the Franchise some may have that THOUGHT and Realization that the Xenomorph is a Creation by a Cranky Robot, for some they will just PRETEND that AC had never Happened or Clutch to the Novel like some Biblical Truth.

The Current Revelations dont really OFFER any means to Uplift the Xenomorph because its Origins are somewhat Tarnished to many by this ROUTE.

To attempt to FIX this is a Problem, because its a Juggling Act to TRY and give the Xenomorph a Different Origin while also TRYING to NOT completely Discredit the Prequels.

The David Arc makes Perfect Sense however it would have JUST had made sense if he had Created something DIFFERENT.  I dont want us to TRY and get Bogged Down with the Prequels in Context to the Xenomorph as its something that as FAR as seeing Theatrically (Continuation) it could be UNLIKELY its a HARD subject to come to a Conclusion that Pleases most.

Some Options would be....

1) That INDEED we are on a Journey that David is the Creator and we are on the Roads to his Creation becoming Evolved/Engineered then ENDING up on a Engineer Ship.

2) David had become a bit Crazy and Fooling himself to take the Credit for what he MERELY had Discovered on Planet 4 that he had attempted to Genetically Manipulate.  I think this could get us to ASK as to WHY would the  Planet 4 Engineers be so STUPID to keep Eggs.

3) The Engineers or another Race above them will Discover Davids Creation, and see the Potential in it and TAKE IT to Re-Engineer... thus David is the Middle Man.

4) That Alien Covenant is a Dr Shaws Cryo-Nightmare!

I think that OPTION 3 or Similar is the BEST WAY so that it goes some way to Fitting with Davids Arc and other Themes we had seen in Prometheus..

I just FEEL that to go for that PLOT or indeed Option (1) would be a Struggle to get to ALIEN in a Single Movie and i cant see a LOT of Fans wishing to go on another Davids Journey/Story.

I think a Prequel Continuation is a Difficult Act to Continue with.  Certainly as FAR as how many would go and PAY to see such a Endeavor..   This is the PRICE to pay for Bottling It and NOT having the Balls to go....

NOPE the Prequels are NOT going to be a ALIEN Movie.

dk Alien is not popular among the morons who enjoy the Marvel films. So it makes no sense to try to please them and even blame the victim for being abused.

I feel so sorry for the Alien, and Giger, and Dan O'Bannon and Ridley Scott.

The Alien is now like a poor child, captive in the hands of vicious pedophiles.

Wake up!

"They could take the Predator if they really want a new monster, but leave the xenomorph alone"

I agree. The predator species can fly spaceships and basically dictate the action. xenomorph has to be sought out, stumbled upon, etc..

Predators versus Earth's military works.

Xenomorphs versus Earth's military?!A total Slaughter for the guys and gals with guns.

"Arm the Xenomorph" is my campaign slogan for 2020!!!

My Opinion is that i think you have to do another ALIEN Movie.

It does-not have to Directly Tie-In with the Original Franchise.... well NOT as far as LV-426, and i say that because REGARDLESS of WHO/HOW/WHEN the Xenomorph came to be...  I think we should NOT go and Assume the DERELICT was the ONLY ship in the Cosmos that has Eggs!

I think that INDEED you can make a Movie to Introduce the Xenomorph to THOSE who Do-Not know about the Beast or Franchise.... but i think you have to CATER for the ALIEN/ALIENS Fans too because those are the GUYS who you have more Chance of getting to SEE another Movie.

Those NOT so Familiar such as the 15-25 Year Old Generation would SURELY know what the Xenomorph is but they may be more Familiar with it via VIDEO GAMES and COMICS and maybe more so ALIENS and AVP Movies.

So you have to SHOW them the Xenomorph can be MORE than we saw in those Incarnations (Comics and Games) I think the PROBLEM is that the Portrayal in ALIEN and ALIEN 3 would just NOT Scare people anymore.. be it those who have NEVER seen them.. or those who have Over and Over.

Now POPCORN Action can always SELL... it dont have to be Scary when its AWESOME and Cool!  But i think that BEYOND the Scares of ALIEN back in the day... there was MORE to the Xenomorph than the Scares...

I think that having them as merely Space Termites is also NOT the best way to make them GREAT to a New Generation.

So i think in PART you have to Discover a Place where we have the Eggs, have a more Vanilla Xenomorph.  You then TRY and Balance between a ALIEN and ALIENS... not too much Action, but still Fair Share (Alien R had enough Action).

I think then you have to look to EVOLVE the Beast, be that in the New Movie or its Sequel at least.  By Evolve i mean just as i said with Planet of the Apes!

A) You have a World where the Xenomorph has been on for MANY YEARS and we see it has Evolved more than we saw it in ALIENS.  Where this Hive was merely Weeks Old!

But this could be a BIT too Close to ALIENS.

B) You have someone Experiment on the Xenomorph that then causes a Evolution to them.

But this could be a BIT too CLOSE to Alien Resurrection.

There is a 3RD Option.... you leave them as they ARE... dont try and Change them too much...

But the World they are Discovered on you LAY the Seeds to OPEN the Door to go and Explore the Engineers.

By Discovering via a Engineer Ship, or a World/Buildings something that can Direct Clues to the Whereabouts of more Engineers...

But this could be like a Prometheus....

so maybe you have to LOOK at a PLOT when the Engineers come to US!... but then HOW you do that with Xenomorphs and NOT go and Conflict with the ALIEN Franchise is Tough!

daliens The fact is that Marvel has it and I am trying to be open minded and optimistic. My complaints will make no difference. I know plenty of younger people who, when asked, remember their dads mentioning the movie but never saw it- then proceed to yammer about The Avengers and the umpteenth Spider Man movie . Marvel needs to get their attention. Even then, if that demographic sees it, they might think the Xeno looks like Venom lol. 

You DONT have to return to LV-426, you DONT have to go to the Time-Line of Alien ==> Aliens to re-introduce the Xenomorph.

I dont think you have to RETCON anything either.

It seems the STUDIO had and are Running Out of Ideas and maybe likely to PANIC... due to the Prequels.

They Gave us a Movie that will BEGIN to link to ALIEN and bring back the Xenomorph.... and that NEVER pleased a lot.

So its OK so the Xenomorph does-not work without Ripley and Queen and so they would LIKELY give us a Walter Hill/David Giler lets make Alien 3 and Alien R a Dream or what about Aliens too?

I think you can have another MOVIE and have this Movie be able to be OPEN so that it does Uplift some of the Prequels but without giving nothing away from what would HAPPEN after Alien Covenant.

The COSMOS is Huge!

There is a Period of Two Hundred Years between Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection you could Wonder to WHERE that Humans have Traveled to say between 2230-2330

Regardless of HOW/WHEN the Eggs got onto the Derelict i think we cant RULE OUT that this was NOT the only Ship loaded with the Cargo.

Regarding any Cross-Overs.. by Marvel... i think that should be KEPT to the Comics.... then some Fans who are NOT so Familiar with the Xenomorph could look at NONE Cross Over Comics of the Past and that could maybe lead them to watch ALIEN and ALIENS if they have NOT already done so.

I always thought it was implied that LV-426, the hive and Derelict were all destroyed in Aliens anyway. They felt the explosion shocks up in space. LV-426 is gone.

Marvel could start with comics and if there is enough excitement, then go to either a movie or streaming series. 

Alien - slasher.
Aliens - action.
Alien 3 - awkward repeat of slasher.
Alien: Ressurection - awkward repeat of action.
Prometheus - idk about genre. It's not a slasher or action. Adventure? Detective? The closest analogy is At the Mountains of Madness (ATMOM). Exploration/discovery horror. I think this is the best way for the franchise.
Alien: Covenant - repeat of action. But with Neomorphs instead of Queen. And David instead of Newt. xDDDD

So, the best formula is Prometheus/ATMOM. But with some improvements:

1) The story should be natural-scientific. That is - the focus should be not on theories and philosophy, but on the study of alien (no only xeno) species and technologies.

2) The environment should not be "generic". Something exotic, strange and unusual is needed. Something that catches the eye.

3) Enough dead planets. It needs a complete world with its own ecosystem and biome. It can have xeno that don't even participate in the plot! They can take one or two people. But the main plot will be around another threat. It may have engineers and even their city/research complex (not for bio-weapons). They will not be aggressive towards people. A dialogue is possible.

4) The scenario must be honest. Without trying to catch the viewer on a hook and milk in unrealizable sequels. If it is impossible to tell everything in one film, then split it into two parts. Like Dune 2020. But without - maybe sequel or maybe not, maybe after 2 years or maybe 10.