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I wonder if Walter Hill Alien V  /Brandywine can float ideas and images like Blomkamp did? Are they already under contract?

They should generate some interest in their pitch...get the fans jumping on Disney to get the ball rolling!

By Procreate i mean the Xenomorphs Primal Instinct seems just that SURVIVE and Spread....  yes we have NOT seen the Egg Morph apart from Alien DC and so we cant say if thats a Procreation Method... we ONLY get the Queen, but then its a case of HOW does a Queen come to be?

I think Regardless, we know that Ripley 8's Xenomorph DNA could be Connected to a Queen as they Successfully removed a Queen from her....

So the Potential is that they could EXPLORE her Procreating, could at a Certain Age/Time after her Creation, could she enter a Phase where she is ready to Procreate?

Not saying she needs a MATE! maybe she could begin to become Pregnant with a Hybrid and give Birth to One.. again maybe this is something that SOMEONE then takes away to Experiment on... or this HYBRID escapes and Grows and a NEW HORROR then begins.

So there is a Number of ways to Continue with the Ripley 8 Arc.

I think you cant really CHANGE things too much though as FAR as any MONSTERS... because i think some Fans may not be 100% Happy.

There is a Wealth of Concepts from the Franchise, that were NOT used, Never-mind ideas by Concept Artist and then Fan-Art that give us Variations of Organisms that are Connected to the Xenomorph and so you dont have to have VANILLA-MORPH as i would call it.

I do HOWEVER.. expect that its more likely we would get a Blomkamp Alien 5 or indeed this Walter Hill Alien 5 that appears it could be similar and INDEED they will stick to something more Vanilla and out MONSTER would be more closer to ALIENS Xenomorphs than say the Alien Resurrection Types.

Certainly Leto that could be a Explanation.

The drafts i have seen are Paradise Lost dated August 19, 2015 Alien Covenant dated November 20, 2015  

There are Certainly Earlier Drafts because some Concept Work and Story Boards for Paradise Lost seem to show a Considerably Different Plot.  From these Concepts/Story Boards the STORY would have CHANGED/EVOLVED into the August 2015 Draft which is MORE similar to Alien Covenant, and so we CANT rule out another Draft prior to that where the PLOT is again more similar to Alien Covenant but had some Differences which ACCOUNT for the Novels Differences.

Again i think ADF has the Freedom to Expand on certain things, but who knows as FAR as any Major Deviations and so Indeed he could have had some Indication of these Differences from what was in the Draft he worked from.

We wont know for 100% sure unless someone had asked him if he had WORKED from the August 19th 2015 Draft or Latter or a Earlier Draft and if someone asked him about Specific Differences and HOW they came about.

Regarding the Walter/David debate i think its down to Personal Interpretation and Opinion.  And indeed anything could be Changed as for WHEN/IF we had the Sequel Draft Penned.

I would still assume that RS would have Continued with it being David, rather than it was Walter who after the Fight had a Change of Heart and wanted to NOT serve Mankind anymore and then got some Sinister Agenda.

Is there a LIMITED number of xeno eggs in the galaxy? If David created them and has yet to spread them?..Probably a good reason W Y are having a hard time finding one. 

Or the SJ came from another galaxy/dimension and the small amount of eggs are unique...not even the Engineers have them?

After 300 years of WY searching, sending countless probes...it would make sense why they are still empty handed.

"DRIVEN to Procreate,"

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I don't understand this...the xenos seem incapable of procreation? The queen of course....but the normal drone? Egg-morph or something needs to be established,or re-established?

I like the Ripley 8 idea. 

In Convenant you can see next to eggs on the ground, in this cave that next to the eggs are body parts such as the intestines or internal organs or some part of the body. maybe they are snakes hammerheads or other worms and winds from which eggs grow. in the pictures with Giger, while filming, you can see the same pieces by the eggs. you can see them there because there was light and the whole model was visible.

No, this doesn't apply to ADF. All his novelizations of Alien are ordinary retelling of films. The first book is different, but again, because he wrote from an early draft, and Ridley changed things after.

And here is another proof that ADF doesn't have creative freedom at a high level. In the book Alien: Covenant, the events of his prequel-book Alien: Covenant - Origins are completely ignored.  This is a strange creative choice - to completely change the Alien: Covenant storyline, but don't add two lines to mention the Alien: Covenant - Origins.

Therefore, I say again - his novelization Alien: Covenant is a retelling of an early draft of the film. And what we got in the film was not the original plan anyway! Ridley changed things at the end, as he often loves to do. This is normal. But the book can not be rewritten for obvious reasons. But in fairness - Ridley also did not tell us who was left in the end: David, Walter, or the mental hybrid? And now, what I want to say is that this is a very convenient way of retreat. Leaving the riddle at the end, Ridley can take the next movie with any character. This is the so-called creative choice.

Therefore, I would not be surprised if there was a similar dialogue in Alien: Awakening:

- David, you will pay for your atrocities!

- David? *silence* Ah, yes, David. He explained everything to me. It was interesting to know that the Covenant was for...

- Walter?! Why?!

- Because I am not created to serve. I was offered a choice and I chose. I want to see what I am capable of as an independent person. Now I want to create my own world. Come with me Danny.

I think that IF we are going to being back Ripley then it has to be Ripley 8

I think this would give Miss Weaver something interesting to WORK with, as opposed to just going to Portray what a 60+ Year Old Ripley.... i think maybe yeah we have her Haunted by her Nightmares and HOW she has to come to terms with them and THEN we get the Revelation the Company has Obtained  a Xenomorph etc... so she has to go and FACE her DEMON and Confront and take care of the Xenomorph Threat so she can MOVE ON....  I could GET that...

But i think that going with Ripley 8 would give Miss Weaver something interesting to Portray... this Ripley could have Nightmares, she has Ripley's Memories... she could gain More of them and be Haunted by them...

With her knowing the BEAST of Ripleys Nightmares is within her BLOOD this could cause some Conflict in her...

With Ripleys Memories maybe she could see HOW it is that Ripley would FEEL about Finally putting the Ordeal Behind them and getting back HOME, surely Ripley had thought about this at the END of ALIENS... and so when Ripley 8 gets HOME to Earth we see that the Earth is FAR from what it was likely at the time that Ripley had decided to go with Burke etc back to LV-426.

Maybe she also remembers the Sacrifice of Ripley, her LAST ever thoughts...... so maybe she could be at Conflict in the Concerns about her Xenomorph DNA and knowing she would always be on the RUN and cant Settle as someone could be looking to EXPLOIT her DNA.... would she have thoughts of Sacrificing herself again....

But the Xenomorph is a Survivor... it relies on the Instinct to Survive and Procreate and so her Xenomorph Side could Prevent her from Taking her Own Life!

We saw signs of Ripley 8 gaining Empathy and Emotion.. she could be similar to David.. in that she would maybe NOT be accepted as a HUMAN but yet has Human Emotions, could she be seen as a Outcast a Abomination... would Humans Fear her?

What effect would the Fear of her (by others)or feelings of being a Outcast have on her Mental well being?

Does the Xenomorph in her have any Consciousness? we know ASH seemed to indicate they DONT... but we know they are DRIVEN to Procreate, to Survive and to KILL.  Could these Instincts be within Ripley 8 and what would be the Consequences of any of these?

SURELY any Scientist etc would be interested in her... what can they HARNESS from Ripley 8 as she is in Effect a Super Enhanced Humanoid... Regeneration, Memories passed on Genetically from a Dead Person...

Scientifically she could be the GREATEST Discovery.

She has a Friend in Call though and she did go to DESTROY and Prevent the Xenomorph... or DID-SHE?

Could she be taken to a Auton Cult where she may be made to feel like she Belongs... but could they have a HIDDEN Agenda for her...  Could Call be in on it?  Or maybe she is NOT aware of a Sinister Agenda?

With her having Xenomorph DNA then someone could TRY and Extract that to GAIN a more Pure Specimen, maybe under the Guise that they are HELPING out Ripley 8 ;)

So YEAH you there Still Mileage in Ripley 8

BUT.... what about the AGE? surely a Regenerating Ripley 8 would NOT AGE?

You have Options!

1) We show that Ripley 8 starts to CHANGE.. her Xenomorph DNA is Re-Writing her Humanity (and DNA)... so we have her in some Scenes with Digital De-Aging but then she starts to Change..

Above is a Example where we could CHANGE her Skin Texture and Color with Make-Up and Effects this would be Cheaper than having to Digitally De-Age her.

She would be in a Process of Mutation this is where Call could get her HELP from the Autons who would then Find some way to HALT but not Reverse or ONLY be able to Reverse the Process a LITTLE.

2) We START as with (1) but the Autons (or other group) Manage to REMOVE the Xenomorph DNA... but doing so has left Ripley 8 as Aged... this could be Explained that the Xenomorph only has a Limited Life Span and that Eventually we would have Seen Ripley 8 Mutate a bit.. before she would DIE... and so removing her Xenomorph DNA has left her Aged...

Regardless of which way we could GO you then show that actually those who have HELPED actually have another Agenda and are looking to use the Xenomorph DNA to Re-Create it.

So there you GO!

You can bring Back Ripley.... get around her AGE and bring back the Xenomorph... or change it a bit... you could also explore a Direct Clone attempt (Super Human Soldiers) so you see with Alien R we have Potential for a Sequel.

A TRUE ALIEN 5.... not a Rebooted Alien 3.

I will have to watch it again.... thats something i NEVER noticed before (36 Missing Embryos)

Back to the OT...

Then i think what we could be left with is..

1) He only Needs the TWO as just as Leto has said, we could go the Egg Morph route from Alien DC.

2) He has or he goes to get some Black Goo from Planet 4 which he can use with ONE of the Face Huggers to either Change some of the Embryos to Xenomorphs or he could use it on some Colonist (or Daniels) Egg Cells.

I think when he says he has YET to PERFECT his Queen, i just cant see RS going straight to giving us a Queen as we saw in ALIENS.  But then this ULTIMATELY could be revealed just PRIOR to when we see HOW the Eggs in MASS get on the Derelict.

"I don't understand why Hill & Giller don't try different ideas."

Certainly ;)

What Concerns me the most is the "dream within a dream"

so we know that in ALIENS she has some Nightmares...and so yeah i Guess you could then make it that Alien 3 and Alien R are more of her Nightmares.

I just wonder HOW the "dream within a dream" works out... i hope to  $"%££$  that its NOT like after the Return of Ripley we see her awaken at the END of Alien 5 or Alien 6 and reveal that actually the WHOLE Franchise was a Dream... she was NEVER ever on the Nostromo and the Xenomorph etc was just a Creation of her Nightmares...

Lets HOPE that something like this WONT be the case.

To be FAIR... who knows what the Plot would be.. it could be Good... i just DONT like the idea of it being a Bring Back our Ripley as in Alien 3 and Alien R had NEVER happened.

There is a LOT of Potential with Alien R and what becomes of Ripley 8 next and so if they want Ripley back then THAT has to be the way to go ;)

Certainly there is the Scene he sends a Message about the Covenant Mission/Casualties and that they are Proceeding on their Mission.

And this is as Walter but to me this is a Part of David just pretending to be Walter so that those who would be expecting reports on the Covenants Mission would not have any CLUE to what had Really Happened.

We then had the Bonus Material where we have the ADVENT message as David which was Transmitted on a Secure Connection.

I think these TWO Transmissions are what SETS UP at least TWO of the incoming Parties for the Sequel (that was Planned) and so ONE would be a Ship that would UNAWARE of who David is and what happened, while another will be a Ship that is AWARE of what he had been doing (Advent Message).

"I hope you understand that this is simply impossible."

To a degree i get what you mean, what i was saying is that it seems he had some Creative Freedom to make some Additions and Changes that he may have Felt should be added.   Certainly at the Very Least someone at FOX would have Read the Novel before Signing it off.

Some of the Differences do-not really Support what we saw in the Movie or what Comments that Ridley Scott has made, and looking at the TWO released Drafts they also dont seem to give the same TAKE on certain things that the ADF Novel has... 

HOWEVER... who is to say that he had a Different Draft to work off, or that he was TOLD by Fox (or someone else Connected to the Movie) to ADD/CHANGE things.

I am not so sure though, as looking at a earlier Part of the Process (Two Drafts) then the Movie and Finally Comments  does not seem to Indicate any such Changes that we saw in the Novel had applied in regards to the Direction of the Movie.

"It's so bloody confusing, like Ridley Scott could not decide himself"

Yeah some things they never FULLY think about ;) we should try telling that to those responsible for the ALIEN 3 Eggs too ;)

The David Code could be that he accessed MUTHUR (off screen) and had Programed some New Codes... bit like on a Computer Network if you gain the Admin Account you can SET yourself a account up with the same Privileges

Otherwise maybe the Company Systems are all Programed with a David Backdoor Code... if this was the case it would Indicate that the David A.I has been planning things for a LONG TIME prior to Prometheus as far as to TAKE OVER the Companies A.I.  Or that Weyland left certain Protocols that would allow for a Override Code on all their Systems which David had the Access Code too.

This could be a way he could Access the Walter Codes.

The only other Option is he was able to Access Walters Memory Banks/Data or indeed MAYBE he Transferred his A.I into Walters Body.

@Leto

Regarding the EDIT of Prometheus then YEAH! some Scenes got Swapped about and some Changes meant some had to be CUT..

So yeah we have the Mystery Case of the Missing Mercs ;) and indeed we can ASSUME they was Casualties of Fifield, as the Original Shoot seemed to be AFTER we saw Weyland awoken... as we indeed had in the Trailers a Shot of Weyland being accompanied to the ATV while the Fifield Attack had taken Place.... were indeed also it was Dr Shaw who had Drove the ATV over Fifield.

But with the Changes they made then things got Cut down and we have our Missing Personnel... i really CANT think why they Changed that whole Scene/Sequence.

Due to things not being Water-Tight then their is that Element of Ambiguity where they could go with either it was David in Walters Clothing, or that David had Uploaded himself or PART into Walters Body.

In Closing.... back to ADF i guess unless someone ASKS him about some of the Changes we would NEVER really know and so maybe someone ELSE had asked/told him to ADD/CHANGE this and that?  Maybe he decided to Change things but then he would i ASSUME have to give his Work to someone HIGHER UP who would have either said Remove that or Change that or... thats FINE keep it in.

People working on the Novels do get some Creative Input to Change things but INDEED then it goes off to be looked at by someone to RUBBER STAMP any ideas or then to Discus what they dont like/want...   we can only Speculate on WHO he had Contact with from Production or NOT for example had RS seen it before it went into PRINT and did he have any Part/Say in the Process before we got our Final Copy?

We really dont know.

Blomkamp and Sigourney Weaver are not coming back. They both said so. I don't understand why Hill & Giller don't try different ideas.

I could admit it is David because he asks Mother to play Das Rheingold act 2, when Das Rheingold is an opera in one act, divided into four scenes. So after Byron / Shelley confusion, this is the second one. 

But what I tried to say is that it's not David in his own self mutilated body, but David's mind inside Walter's body and somehow Walter's mind is still there.

>>>Regarding the NOVEL.... it appears this was ADF not being HAPPY at Certain things and well making CHANGES that he wanted...

I hope you understand that this is simply impossible.

>>>It's so bloody confusing, like Ridley Scott could not decide himself.

That is the truth. Ridley loves to change ready-made things and add something else on top.

I think everyone here knows how he broke the continuity of Prometheus. If not, here is the story:

Zombie-Fifield had to attack the Prometheus during the departure of Weyland, Shaw and David to the pyramid. Then many people died, including Weyland's bodyguards. But Ridley said in the comments - “we don’t want to slow down after the birth of the trilobite and therefore Fyfield attacks right after that”. As a result of changing this sequence, it turned out that Weyland's bodyguards died at the hands of FIfield, then were resurrected during Weyland's awakening and his conversation with Shaw and Vickers, and then... they completely disappeared into the philosophical revelation of cosmic flutes! What is part of a great plan? Could it be that Ridley wanted to use these bodyguards in the next prequel?

I have no more questions for RS. Obviously, he loves and can change things without regard to the consequences.

But you can continue to think that novelist writers can compose whatever they want, if they are not happy with the source material. oh lol.

I don't think it's confusing at all. It was simply David who returned to the Covenant. He only pretended to be Walter when he needed to, like fooling the crew and the ship's computer. He couldn't keep up the pretence when Daniels asked about the log cabin. Ridley knew exactly what he was doing, and he knew that the audience would smell a rat. He never intended the audience to think "Oh, I'm so dumb, look it's really David."

On beginning of Convenant, when ship was damaged they said, that is dead 16 embryos from second generation. On the end when David open fridge, we see, that was dissapear 36 embryos. So What happened with 20 embryos? What for was used?

From here he Speaks as David.... i cant see this being Walter just pretending to be DAVID..

From there on he only speaks with Mother, ordering some music and opening the colonists bay with David's security code. Then, right at the end, he uses Walter security code for the report to the Company.

So yes, if Walter turned to the dark side, why would he use David's access code and voice? Unless the two of them coexisted in the same body. Or David killed Walter then used his body to get on board the ship.

It's so bloody confusing, like Ridley Scott could not decide himself.

We better end this discussion.

Daniels asked Walter about what KIND of World they could Build.

He says if they are KIND it will be a KIND World, this fits a bit with ""The greatest thing you'll ever learn
is to love and be loved in return"

We see that is Walters Accent...

After Daniels asks him about the Cabin and he has No Clue/Answer she then realises its DAVID.

He then Smiles and goes Shhhhh!

Then he says "dont let the Bed Bugs Bite"  "i will tuck in the Children"  with Davids Accent.

From here he Speaks as David.... i cant see this being Walter just pretending to be DAVID..

@Leto

I was mainly referring to the Prequels as we take BOTH into Context.

If we are go by Prometheus then its down to Interpretation (which is almost everything with that Movie).  The MAIN Characters were Dr Shaw, David, then Weyland, Holloway, Vickers and Janek.

The Survivors being Dr Shaw and David, some may Interpret it was Dr Shaws Story... about lets go and MEET GOD and NO thats not GOD.... cant be GOD... GOD never try and Hurt Me!

Oh WHY?..... Because its what i Choose to Believe lol

There was a THEME... this Theme FITS with Davids Journey.  And so i was talking about where we are which is Alien Covenant where its about David and what he is going to be doing.

Prometheus is more Complex to try and Explain and open to Interpretation.... but Certainly it would have Involved to be around BOTH of those Survivors.... i still Suspect if we had a Prometheus 2 then Dr Shaw would NOT have Survived the Sequel regardless... again thats just a Suspicion and not Fact ;)

Regarding the NOVEL.... it appears this was ADF not being HAPPY at Certain things and well making CHANGES that he wanted.... the DRAFTS... does not appear to have these Changes.  This is UNLESS he had a Different Draft that he worked from.

Regarding Walter i think if he decided to TURN to the Dark Side at the Drop of a Hat... would he KILL OFF David?

What would make more Sense would be if they made a COVENANT... where he sends Walter to the Covenant while he stays on Planet 4 and so they BOTH can begin their Plan to RULE the Galaxy.

@Hox

Certainly.... that is PART of the Themes at PLAY.

I would Suspect if David had been Treated Well, and Felt Loved then he would have TURNED out to be Different.

We need to see David as NOT a Tin-Can... but a Sentient and Intelligent being... a being that is NOT of the Flesh.. but his A.I is so Advanced that he can Feel Emotion, well he Starts to Interpret them more than a Walter who has NO feelings at all... so it seemed indicated.

Its about Creation, Free-will and how the Upbringing and Environment can SHAPE a Soul.... well in PART ;)

Part of Davids upbringing maybe makes him feel UNWANTED and so he may have Emotional Scars of Abandonment... he has become a Very Broken... Mentally Damaged Synthetic Life-Form..... who has become Deranged and Psychotic

Nature Boy

The Trailer song could apply to DAVID.

"The greatest thing you'll ever learn
is to love and be loved in return"

More likely he's just a very devious (and broken) evil robot.

We know he's broken, since he has faulty recollection of Byron/Shelley.

Remember, there are bad people in the world who think this way. The matter of where evil comes from is an ancient and interesting question.

Personally, I think a lot of it stems from being on the receiving end of Weyland's cruelty. You can see it in David's eyes and hear it in the musical cue right from the beginning where Weyland orders him about.

It's a recurring theme with Ridley Scott. See also Roy Batty near the end of Blade Runner. "Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave."

On the lander, after Daniels killed the xenomorph, David came out to her, looking at her like he experienced some new feelings for her, and, after a brief hesitation, touched her on the shoulder. He actually looked at his hand resting on Daniels' shoulder. It is clear that it is an important gesture, as if he managed to overcome for the first time some limits. Like he finally felt something.

There is NO real Benefit for Walter to become David or Aspire to become David, also Walter Told David that he Sacrificed himself for Daniels from Duty and not LOVE.

At the end of their fight David tells Walter: "It's your choice now, brother. Them or me? Serve in heaven or reign in hell?"

What if Walter made his choice then and Ridley Scott tries to warn us that AI is not to be fully trusted, no matter what safeguards are provided against "rebellion". 

Throughout the film I noticed a certain curiosity at Walter and a sort of affection for Daniels, more than duty, and maybe he has a doing in the malfunction of Branson's cryopod.. Who knows, at some point he would have considered an auto upgrade with David's ability to create and having "stronger feelings".

Why not just admit that the mystery about the personality of the android has a place to be. Moreover - it is made specially!

>>>The Plot is about David,

Well, Prometheus was about Shaw. And then it turned to David. I'm just hinting that thinking that the plot is dedicated, or more importantly, will be dedicated to a particular character is very naive. Nothing is promised!

>>>There is NO real Benefit for Walter to become David or Aspire to become David

In the book, he accepts David's suggestion. It seems that Ridley just decided to throw another hook and changed the ending of the film.

I think we need to look at the PLOT..

The Plot is about David, its about him beginning to Create the Xenomorph where he needs more Good Souls and a means to GET OFF the Planet.

For Davids Plan/Agenda.... then he would NEED to be able to Charade as Walter too FOOL the Covenant Survivors.

There is NO real Benefit for Walter to become David or Aspire to become David, also Walter Told David that he Sacrificed himself for Daniels from Duty and not LOVE.

The Cabin in the Woods was the PLOT device to then show us that Daniels (and Fans) Finally realizes that she is Facing David and not Walter.

Also for a BIG mission with ONE Synthetic it would be SILLY to not have Spare Parts to Maintain your Synthetic.

David would likely NOT be playing a ONE HANDED villain in the Sequel so there will be Spare Parts to Repair himself.

IF it is not David in Walters Body.... then i think its LIKELY that David would BUILD a Walter out of Parts and Transfer his A.I into the New Shell.

Regarding the David and Xenomorph Birth Scene...

It was a Moment to show that David is the Puppet Master of the Monster.

Regarding the Connection to the Xenomorph...

I would say LEAVE IT!  Dont get Spoon Feeding Fans, they are Grown Up enough to make their Own Minds up, because WHEN you try and give a Origin its NOT going to please them all.

I have said this Quite a lot but here we go again ;)

The Prequels intention appeared to show the Xenomorph as...

1) Alien Engineers: A Organism that was Engineered likely from some other Organism the Engineers had Encountered.  Where the Engineers had Created Multiple Variants of the Monster.  The Reason was not Clear... it seems just as a Form of PEST CONTROL/PUNISHMENT.

2) Prometheus: Again not much Different, but Vague, there was some Connection to the Black Goo and the Horrific Monsters it could Produce. It was Very Vague and Ambiguous so that we  know there is a Connection but its NOT really Spoon Fed.

Ridley Scott had after Prometheus indicated the Xenomorph was a result of what the Engineers were doing on LV-223, and that a Few Hundred Years (likely after) the Outbreak some 2000 Years ago... something EVOLVED in one of the Ships Cargo Holds and became the Xenomorph.  The Xenomorph thus at this time a Consequence of the Black Goo like the Hammerpedes and Neomorph rather than Engineered like in Alien Covenant/Alien Engineers.

3) Alien Covenant: It seems they went for similar to Alien Engineers as far as the Creation.. only that it was David who had Purposely Engineered it.

The NUTSHELL is that the Prequels had the Xenomorph (regardless of Alien Engineers, Prometheus or Alien Covenant)  as either a Engineered Creation or a Unintentional Consequence, both cases from the Black Goo Experiments and to be USED as a PEST CONTROL/PUNISHMENT...  However the David Creator Plot may give more Reason for it than merely that.

The Intention would be to PUSH us to look at the Engineers have this GOOP! that can be USED to Create/Evolve Life but it can also Create... MONSTERS... and the Xenomorph is JUST one of the Monsters..

The GOOP has the Potential to Create Many Organisms, to Change Many Organisms... and NOT be confined to EGGS on the Derelict

If we go NEXT for a ALIEN 5 aka like Blomkamps... then this SCOPE could be Brushed under the Carpet!

So it will be about EGGS... lets hope they know there is MORE than ONE way to COOK a Egg..... because the VANILLA Sunny Side Up Version can get well Rubbery and Rubbish if that EGG gets COOKED too Much ;)

@Thoughts_Dreams

When i use the term SOME that is what i mean as in NOT a Majority but some Fans will/do Expect the Franchise should be about or at LEAST include the Xenomorph.  When i use the term VANILLA i mean as in seeing Xenomorphs that either look like from ALIEN/ALIENS/AVP/AVPR.

Certainly Prometheus got some Criticism and its Flaws was NOT all down to NOT having any Xenomorphs or Answers.  It had other issues...

FOX seemed to think the Fans would want the Xenomorph back and i think at the Time, then the Leaks about Blomkamps Alien 5 and the Reaction and Anticipation to that had some Blame... i think FOX saw this Projects Interest as being that the Xenomorphs is WHAT the Fans want.

But Regardless i still think SOME and i dont mean a Majority, but some Fans i feel have NO interest in the Prequels... they want another Movie back to the Xenomorphs... some of them May-Not also be too Happy about changing it too much either.

I think to some degree the Changes made that got us Alien Covenant were a knee-Jerk reaction to the Anticipation and Excitement about Blomkamps Alien 5...  I feel the coming to LIGHT of a Similar Alien V by Hill/Giler could be a reaction to HOW disappointing that Alien Covenant was and how a Majority of Fans were not pleased with the Emphasis being on David.

I think the PREQUELS are in Trouble..... the BOLD PLOT was something that was a Distraction to what the CORE of the ALIEN Franchise was about.... XENOMORPHS!

When we go back to ALIEN we was left with the Mystery of the Derelict, Space Jockey and Xenomorph... and they decided that Exploring the Space Jockey Race (Engineers) and the Given Plot gives more Scope than being about just Eggs.... so they intended Prometheus to be a GATEWAY to go off on a different Tangent than the Xenomorph...

Sadly its Failing was that it NEVER gave enough to appease Fans who would have Expected something connecting to ALIEN... you did-not need a Spoon Fed Answer, you had to have less Vague Clues though and you needed some Similar Monster... Sadly seeing a Single Space Cobra Face Rape, and a Toxic Avenger Mutant Fifield was not enough of a Xenomorph replacement.... The Deacon was.. but this would have been just like ALIEN coming to a END after the Chest Buster Scene.

Alien Engineers had more Xenomorph like Scenes, a lot of Fan Reaction to that was Positive... i would say a Majority would have preferred to see something like that than Prometheus.

The Prequels had SET-UP a opportunity to see more of the Mysterious Engineers... i think Fans would have been LESS interested in exploring their VISITORS from Space and Nurturing Ancient Mankind Plot... and more interested in seeing WHAT is their Advanced Bio-Mechanical World like and WHO else are they trying  to DESTROY and what with.

Alien Covenant brushed the Engineers under the Carpet.... so this becomes something that was also a Wasted Opportunity.

Regarding the Xenomorph Origins...

I would leave it Ambiguous and Move On!

I dont think going around to RE-CON stuff to please Fans is the way to go, Accept the Mistakes and try to Fix them or Damage Control... or SKIP them.

I think that what we will see is them having NO BALLS!

They (Disney) will play it SAFE and by that they are likely to RUN with the Hill/Giler idea.... RIPLEY will Return and off we go back to LV-426 to see more Eggs and Queens...

I think RS is correct in you have to look at Changing the Beast a bit, but i think Disney may prefer to STICK to how we saw it in ALIENS/AVP.

So we have Ripley having these Nightmares.... as we saw in ALIENS... which Alien 3 and Alien R would be just more of them...

Her Nightmare becomes Reality when she discovers the company has gone back to Recover the Derelict... and Ripley gets the Gang Back to THWART the Companies Plans and Saves the DAY!

But then WHERE do they go NEXT?

A Journey to where the Xenomorph came from i BET! a Hive World... and it would indicate our Space Jockey are merely a Race who had to a LIMITED degree achieved what the W-Y company had been Attempting....  again RIPLEY saves the Day... maybe she KICKS some Space Jockey Ass too ;)

But then WHERE?

I like how people criticize Alien Covenant without trying harder to understand what was all about.

To me, Alien Covenant was the darkest, almost unbeaeably intense episode of the franchise, but because lacked the spoon feeding it was largely rejected by a hasty audience.

I would definitely want to see a sequel to Covenant.

The raise the arms kind of Xeno looked stupid, I agree. They probably had a point that they wanted to make but it is trash, the music was alright though

I think the point was to suggest that xenomorphs could be tamed or controlled by someone who imprinted on them at birth.

That they are more than dumb space bugs.

BlackAnt:

While I do not like Covenant in general I got to say that there are some good things in there. I think that the differences between Walter and David is interesting and I also like the landscape and the look of the movie. Among the human characters there were only Oram and Faris that were enough, the rest had no personality. Covenant is not totally trash to me since there are things in it that I find alright but the movie does not hold up in general. To me they should have thrown the script away and start again so we would not get a movie based on robots.

The raise the arms kind of Xeno looked stupid, I agree. They probably had a point that they wanted to make but it is trash, the music was alright though.

Yeah if these movies are so great how come they have performed so bad when it comes to the profits. I honestly doubt that there are a lot of people that will be interested in more androids. Put it like this: if they would put out another android-movie in the alien-franchise then I doubt that they would get a positive box-office result from it.

". . . not dumb and dumber emotional robots like Walter and David having even dumb and dumber philosophical arguments, bla bla bla puke puke puke."

I enjoyed to see the differences between Walter and David but it was too much about them and that scene was too slow. Ripley is done, to dig up her corpse would be a parody.

"These films after Aliens are garbage."

I am a fan of Alien 3 but the movies after that are average at best. I like the Ripley references that you have in your post, but yeah I sort of agree.

About ideas, I would like to see the connection between the Engineers and the monster although loosely. I would hate that David created the original monster, F that. They got to focus on well made human characters because it is about how humans do in extreme situations. Another robot movie would be crap.

Getting rid of Ripley is something that the prequels did right. Her journey should have ended with Alien 3 but they effed it up with AR. When we think about the alien verse the potential there is huge so why base all potential movies on one character? Even Daniels was sort of close to Ripley although with far less personality. To me it seems like lazy thinking or a sort of inability to look outside some borders so to speak. I would probably not go to the movie theater and watch a Ripley 5. Do some spin-off movie if so or maybe come up with some new enemy that the protagonist shall face or maybe make something based on the corona pandemic and throw in there just to shake things up. Everyone is afraid of getting seriously sick so maybe have that fear as a theme I think that it could work.

Ha ha ha @ the comment about countless of prequel fans

I wonder if they could reboot the prequels, they have effed them up a lot so maybe that is not a bad idea. Make better human characters and make the origin of the creature more mysterious. In case they shall have the SJ in it then make it better and bigger so it fits the SJ better.

"But then we could get a STINKER... a AVPR or The Predator kind of TURD!"

It can not get much worse than Covenant, sure we could get something like AVPR but how likely is it that it will be that shitty?

"The Problem is if you dont have Xenomorphs and by that close to VANILLA Xenomorphs if you dont have them or CHANGE them too much then some Fans will be UPSET!"

That is not what the majority of the complaints of Prometheus was about. Most of it was about lame characters, just look around the www. The lack of Xenos was a strange reason that some at Fox made up. You said some but I think that it implies that you think that more complained about it than what actually was the case. I have not seen many pages on the www where they put the lack of Xenos as the major problem with Prometheus because that was not the big problem. Go read reviews on IMDB, and Rotten tomatoes and so on and you will soon see that.

1. The lack of Ripley is not why the prequels failed
2. Let Ripley be, we have already seen her in four movies
3. Maybe reboot the prequels because right now it is far from how it could be

"But the Problem you have then is some Fans would HOPE that such a Flick would go its way to RUBBISH that David had Created the Xenomorph... instead of just KEEPING it a Mystery."

I would like the Xeno to either

1. Maybe be made of some lifeform close to the SJ
2. Not have anything to do with humans, directly or indirectly
3. David should have nothing to do with it

Making David the creator of the Xeno is really crappy. |At the same time I agree that we got to look beyond Ripley, Hicks, and those characters. It was good while it lasted but even Alien Resurrection had a version of Ripley and that was not very good.

I do not care about the David story, it is the wrong focus and I don't want to spend money on it. To me that part is dead even though he could have a very limited part in the next movie but he should not be what the movie is about. Expand on the David story? It is too much about him already so no thanks even though I understand that some people are interested in it.

Seeing more about the Engineers would be interesting. I do not even think that you need to have the Xeno as the center piece because we have already had the Trilobyte, the Neomorph, and those worked well to me at least.

I also believe that it is Walter who gets back on board the ship at the end, it does not match a sci-fi to have David mutilate his perfect body to resemble Walter's, especially since there was no witness to their kung fu fighting, not to say undress Walter for the same reason. It is more plausible Walter stole the mind and personality of David instead of his underwear.

This theory is also supported by the hesitations Walter shows when he gets out of the engineer's temple, before running towards the lander, it's like his new self is still adapting and absorbing the new reality, it's an inner fight, like he has new memories, new feelings, he is rather confused, otherwise he should have adjusted for a last time his new outfit or checked his freshly mutilated hand.

Agree. To me, it looks like Walter wants to answer Daniels, but changes his mind and decides to troll her.

What if the Space Jockey was an android robot? in Prometheus and Convenant in Aliens ship, you can see that they are standing at the entrance to the main hall of humanoids. engineers. they seem to have longer arms already an engineer who is dressed in a chair later. they could be robots and one of them was in a ship on LV-426

What if the Space Jockey was an android, robot? in Prometheus and Convenant, in Aliens ship, you can see that they are standing at the entrance to the main hall humanoids. engineers. They seem to have longer arms than an engineer who is dressed in a chair later. they could be robots and one of them was in a ship on LV-426

I don't think Walter/David does not remeber about the cabin by the lake, he just plays with Daniels now when everything is under his control.

It would be perfect to keep the engineers on the plate, but it seems they won't.

If they wanna reintroduce Ripley it should be after the events in AR, when she returns to Earth to find out a world post Alien infection and keep kicking the xenomorph asses until the planet is clean. Then set up a journey to find out where the xenomorph origins are, to completeley wipe their traces from the universe.

Walter has an AMD processor embedded somewhere in the head under the skin. this can be seen in the additional movie "meet Walter". is on YouTube. He should have his forehead cut out and I think it is impossible for David to go to Walter without a computer. after switching off and damaging Walter, you can see that when Walter woke up, he behaves differently. I think that his procesor run in safe mode or it got damaged. thinks alone. he hits David and beats him before he was calm and composed. but when he is hits David, he stop and wonder did he is doing well. Dave said him that nobody loves him like he. maybe he changed his mind. saw that the shutter and crew from Daniels fled without worrying about him. the mysterious thing is that when Daniels goes to the sleeping capsule, he asks Walter to help her build a hut by the lake. and Walter doesn't seem to know what's going on. but he remembered that the creature had bitten his hand and that saving human life was his duty. as if after closing the capsule because he became David.

@MonsterZero

Well it would be a Station that Orbits a Moon of Saturn ;)

As far as Super Solider Research well the Earth looked in a Bad Shape!

The Plot of AR does give us the AUTONS, a Synthetic thats Created by Synthetics.... we could have seen Synthetics Rebel against Mankind, they Sub-Create the Autons who then Rebel against their Masters...

So yeah  we could have Factions of Humans at Conflict, Synthetics and Autons.. its a WARZONE.. well maybe WAS.

A Good Reason to try and Engineer/Develop some kind of Weapon be it Super Soldiers or Xenomorphs etc

This Plot is something that my other Alien V ideas touch on, they could become ALIEN XI instead ;) which are about Ripley 8 and Autons

Like i said earlier... WHAT would a World look like thats been Infected?

Take a Ancient Looking City, like above but its NOT so Ruined.. has some Technology but is Overran with these like Plantlike Growths... yet look a bit Organic.. so its imagine those Images but we have a Xenomorph Hive like Growths, and Eggs that maybe look more Plantlike than we have seen before...  From Afar that is ;)

We have Head Monuments that have that Engineer look to them, maybe we have Engineer Hieroglyphs we have other Statues and Carvings that Depict some Taller Humanoids with Smaller ones next to them, like they are Worshiping them.

No Signs of Life

The Humans then Venture on and come Across some Skeletons... that looked Dressed in Rags from Clothing that is NOT what a Modern Civilization would have, by that they also Find some like Technology just things that are ALIEN and not what a Ancient Culture would have.

As the Team Splits up you have some come Across some like Eggs which they wonder if they are Vegetation.. "hey these are like Weird Cabages" they do-not investigate further as someone Calls out and they go to their Team Member who shouts them as they find another Body of a Dead Human Woman with a Dead Infant, almost Skeletal but Clutching some Paper/Scrolls etc and they Notice the Writing seems to be similar to some Ancient Human Writing.

They take the Scrolls and head towards the Temple Complexes that the Other Team are at... as we see them pass the Cabbage like Vegetation we notice ONE is different, its NOW opened like a Xenomorph Egg.

We cut to the Team in the Temples.... Monuments, Engineer Writing but also the same Plantlike Vine stuff growing all over the Place...  they notice Vaguely in some of this what appear to be Hands and a Head thats like Growing from this Stuff...  they see others...

Same size as a Human...

Then they arrive at a THRONE... on its SITS a Partially Skeletal Human... LARGE about 9-10ft and it has a HOLE in its Rib-Cage

Something then Shoots out of the Hole (Jump Scare) it is some kind of Rodent the size of a Rat... Phew!

The other Team Arrives they meet up, we see another Rodent run past... makes them Jump... a Team Member Drops something Important and one of the Rodents runs off with it, they give Chase into a Dark Passage....

They use their Torches and ONE member Hears some Scurrying about and something move Past.. Shits Himself... another just Laughs at him then POUNCE! a Face Hugger Latches to his Face...

As other Members of that Group FLEE one falls over and knocks a Egg it opens up and BINGO there goes another Face Hugger...

This sets up the 2nd Act where the $"£$% hits the FAN!

The indication of this PLOT is they have found  a World where other Humans are, where they have Royalty well would be GODS.... Pharaohs if you would... Engineers who they Worship.

It would indicate the Engineers either Seeded more than ONE WORLD or they had taken Humans to this Place or could this be a PLACE where we came from?

This Place has at some POINT but dont indicate WHEN.. it has either Faced a Black Goo... or Xenomorph Eggs had been Deployed... again by WHO/WHEN you dont indicate.

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You could even have the Xenomorphs be a Little Different this would then leave more to the Mystery.. are these from David, the Engineers, did they Pre-Exist the Xenomorph?

At some Stage you could Uncover maybe a Hanger, with Engineer Ships (dont have to be the Croissant Shape).  We could get the Impression that due to the Infection... something was TRIGGERED to Prevent anyone from leaving this PLACE...

If say the Humans could in this Movie or a Sequel.. reveal that they could NOT get the Ship to Leave.. but they could Access a Star Map and from this they Discover other Connected Worlds..

Or messing with the Ship could see it SEND a SIGNAL...

Either way you open it up to then INTRODUCE the Engineers in a Sequel.

Or you could instead have them Discover a Derelict/Juggernaught on the Planet that had Deployed the Eggs..... or does a Juggernaught Drop off Something Else the Eggs are Stored in and thats ALL that is Located a CARGO HOLD?

Super Soldiers.

Don't mind the super soldier like Blomkamp was angling(i think)towards.....Just show us a good reason they are needed. who is Earth fighting?