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The raise the arms kind of Xeno looked stupid, I agree. They probably had a point that they wanted to make but it is trash, the music was alright though

I think the point was to suggest that xenomorphs could be tamed or controlled by someone who imprinted on them at birth.

That they are more than dumb space bugs.

BlackAnt:

While I do not like Covenant in general I got to say that there are some good things in there. I think that the differences between Walter and David is interesting and I also like the landscape and the look of the movie. Among the human characters there were only Oram and Faris that were enough, the rest had no personality. Covenant is not totally trash to me since there are things in it that I find alright but the movie does not hold up in general. To me they should have thrown the script away and start again so we would not get a movie based on robots.

The raise the arms kind of Xeno looked stupid, I agree. They probably had a point that they wanted to make but it is trash, the music was alright though.

Yeah if these movies are so great how come they have performed so bad when it comes to the profits. I honestly doubt that there are a lot of people that will be interested in more androids. Put it like this: if they would put out another android-movie in the alien-franchise then I doubt that they would get a positive box-office result from it.

". . . not dumb and dumber emotional robots like Walter and David having even dumb and dumber philosophical arguments, bla bla bla puke puke puke."

I enjoyed to see the differences between Walter and David but it was too much about them and that scene was too slow. Ripley is done, to dig up her corpse would be a parody.

"These films after Aliens are garbage."

I am a fan of Alien 3 but the movies after that are average at best. I like the Ripley references that you have in your post, but yeah I sort of agree.

About ideas, I would like to see the connection between the Engineers and the monster although loosely. I would hate that David created the original monster, F that. They got to focus on well made human characters because it is about how humans do in extreme situations. Another robot movie would be crap.

Getting rid of Ripley is something that the prequels did right. Her journey should have ended with Alien 3 but they effed it up with AR. When we think about the alien verse the potential there is huge so why base all potential movies on one character? Even Daniels was sort of close to Ripley although with far less personality. To me it seems like lazy thinking or a sort of inability to look outside some borders so to speak. I would probably not go to the movie theater and watch a Ripley 5. Do some spin-off movie if so or maybe come up with some new enemy that the protagonist shall face or maybe make something based on the corona pandemic and throw in there just to shake things up. Everyone is afraid of getting seriously sick so maybe have that fear as a theme I think that it could work.

Ha ha ha @ the comment about countless of prequel fans

I wonder if they could reboot the prequels, they have effed them up a lot so maybe that is not a bad idea. Make better human characters and make the origin of the creature more mysterious. In case they shall have the SJ in it then make it better and bigger so it fits the SJ better.

"But then we could get a STINKER... a AVPR or The Predator kind of TURD!"

It can not get much worse than Covenant, sure we could get something like AVPR but how likely is it that it will be that shitty?

"The Problem is if you dont have Xenomorphs and by that close to VANILLA Xenomorphs if you dont have them or CHANGE them too much then some Fans will be UPSET!"

That is not what the majority of the complaints of Prometheus was about. Most of it was about lame characters, just look around the www. The lack of Xenos was a strange reason that some at Fox made up. You said some but I think that it implies that you think that more complained about it than what actually was the case. I have not seen many pages on the www where they put the lack of Xenos as the major problem with Prometheus because that was not the big problem. Go read reviews on IMDB, and Rotten tomatoes and so on and you will soon see that.

1. The lack of Ripley is not why the prequels failed
2. Let Ripley be, we have already seen her in four movies
3. Maybe reboot the prequels because right now it is far from how it could be

"But the Problem you have then is some Fans would HOPE that such a Flick would go its way to RUBBISH that David had Created the Xenomorph... instead of just KEEPING it a Mystery."

I would like the Xeno to either

1. Maybe be made of some lifeform close to the SJ
2. Not have anything to do with humans, directly or indirectly
3. David should have nothing to do with it

Making David the creator of the Xeno is really crappy. |At the same time I agree that we got to look beyond Ripley, Hicks, and those characters. It was good while it lasted but even Alien Resurrection had a version of Ripley and that was not very good.

I do not care about the David story, it is the wrong focus and I don't want to spend money on it. To me that part is dead even though he could have a very limited part in the next movie but he should not be what the movie is about. Expand on the David story? It is too much about him already so no thanks even though I understand that some people are interested in it.

Seeing more about the Engineers would be interesting. I do not even think that you need to have the Xeno as the center piece because we have already had the Trilobyte, the Neomorph, and those worked well to me at least.

I also believe that it is Walter who gets back on board the ship at the end, it does not match a sci-fi to have David mutilate his perfect body to resemble Walter's, especially since there was no witness to their kung fu fighting, not to say undress Walter for the same reason. It is more plausible Walter stole the mind and personality of David instead of his underwear.

This theory is also supported by the hesitations Walter shows when he gets out of the engineer's temple, before running towards the lander, it's like his new self is still adapting and absorbing the new reality, it's an inner fight, like he has new memories, new feelings, he is rather confused, otherwise he should have adjusted for a last time his new outfit or checked his freshly mutilated hand.

Agree. To me, it looks like Walter wants to answer Daniels, but changes his mind and decides to troll her.

What if the Space Jockey was an android robot? in Prometheus and Convenant in Aliens ship, you can see that they are standing at the entrance to the main hall of humanoids. engineers. they seem to have longer arms already an engineer who is dressed in a chair later. they could be robots and one of them was in a ship on LV-426

What if the Space Jockey was an android, robot? in Prometheus and Convenant, in Aliens ship, you can see that they are standing at the entrance to the main hall humanoids. engineers. They seem to have longer arms than an engineer who is dressed in a chair later. they could be robots and one of them was in a ship on LV-426

I don't think Walter/David does not remeber about the cabin by the lake, he just plays with Daniels now when everything is under his control.

It would be perfect to keep the engineers on the plate, but it seems they won't.

If they wanna reintroduce Ripley it should be after the events in AR, when she returns to Earth to find out a world post Alien infection and keep kicking the xenomorph asses until the planet is clean. Then set up a journey to find out where the xenomorph origins are, to completeley wipe their traces from the universe.

Walter has an AMD processor embedded somewhere in the head under the skin. this can be seen in the additional movie "meet Walter". is on YouTube. He should have his forehead cut out and I think it is impossible for David to go to Walter without a computer. after switching off and damaging Walter, you can see that when Walter woke up, he behaves differently. I think that his procesor run in safe mode or it got damaged. thinks alone. he hits David and beats him before he was calm and composed. but when he is hits David, he stop and wonder did he is doing well. Dave said him that nobody loves him like he. maybe he changed his mind. saw that the shutter and crew from Daniels fled without worrying about him. the mysterious thing is that when Daniels goes to the sleeping capsule, he asks Walter to help her build a hut by the lake. and Walter doesn't seem to know what's going on. but he remembered that the creature had bitten his hand and that saving human life was his duty. as if after closing the capsule because he became David.

@MonsterZero

Well it would be a Station that Orbits a Moon of Saturn ;)

As far as Super Solider Research well the Earth looked in a Bad Shape!

The Plot of AR does give us the AUTONS, a Synthetic thats Created by Synthetics.... we could have seen Synthetics Rebel against Mankind, they Sub-Create the Autons who then Rebel against their Masters...

So yeah  we could have Factions of Humans at Conflict, Synthetics and Autons.. its a WARZONE.. well maybe WAS.

A Good Reason to try and Engineer/Develop some kind of Weapon be it Super Soldiers or Xenomorphs etc

This Plot is something that my other Alien V ideas touch on, they could become ALIEN XI instead ;) which are about Ripley 8 and Autons

Like i said earlier... WHAT would a World look like thats been Infected?

Take a Ancient Looking City, like above but its NOT so Ruined.. has some Technology but is Overran with these like Plantlike Growths... yet look a bit Organic.. so its imagine those Images but we have a Xenomorph Hive like Growths, and Eggs that maybe look more Plantlike than we have seen before...  From Afar that is ;)

We have Head Monuments that have that Engineer look to them, maybe we have Engineer Hieroglyphs we have other Statues and Carvings that Depict some Taller Humanoids with Smaller ones next to them, like they are Worshiping them.

No Signs of Life

The Humans then Venture on and come Across some Skeletons... that looked Dressed in Rags from Clothing that is NOT what a Modern Civilization would have, by that they also Find some like Technology just things that are ALIEN and not what a Ancient Culture would have.

As the Team Splits up you have some come Across some like Eggs which they wonder if they are Vegetation.. "hey these are like Weird Cabages" they do-not investigate further as someone Calls out and they go to their Team Member who shouts them as they find another Body of a Dead Human Woman with a Dead Infant, almost Skeletal but Clutching some Paper/Scrolls etc and they Notice the Writing seems to be similar to some Ancient Human Writing.

They take the Scrolls and head towards the Temple Complexes that the Other Team are at... as we see them pass the Cabbage like Vegetation we notice ONE is different, its NOW opened like a Xenomorph Egg.

We cut to the Team in the Temples.... Monuments, Engineer Writing but also the same Plantlike Vine stuff growing all over the Place...  they notice Vaguely in some of this what appear to be Hands and a Head thats like Growing from this Stuff...  they see others...

Same size as a Human...

Then they arrive at a THRONE... on its SITS a Partially Skeletal Human... LARGE about 9-10ft and it has a HOLE in its Rib-Cage

Something then Shoots out of the Hole (Jump Scare) it is some kind of Rodent the size of a Rat... Phew!

The other Team Arrives they meet up, we see another Rodent run past... makes them Jump... a Team Member Drops something Important and one of the Rodents runs off with it, they give Chase into a Dark Passage....

They use their Torches and ONE member Hears some Scurrying about and something move Past.. Shits Himself... another just Laughs at him then POUNCE! a Face Hugger Latches to his Face...

As other Members of that Group FLEE one falls over and knocks a Egg it opens up and BINGO there goes another Face Hugger...

This sets up the 2nd Act where the $"£$% hits the FAN!

The indication of this PLOT is they have found  a World where other Humans are, where they have Royalty well would be GODS.... Pharaohs if you would... Engineers who they Worship.

It would indicate the Engineers either Seeded more than ONE WORLD or they had taken Humans to this Place or could this be a PLACE where we came from?

This Place has at some POINT but dont indicate WHEN.. it has either Faced a Black Goo... or Xenomorph Eggs had been Deployed... again by WHO/WHEN you dont indicate.

EDIT:

You could even have the Xenomorphs be a Little Different this would then leave more to the Mystery.. are these from David, the Engineers, did they Pre-Exist the Xenomorph?

At some Stage you could Uncover maybe a Hanger, with Engineer Ships (dont have to be the Croissant Shape).  We could get the Impression that due to the Infection... something was TRIGGERED to Prevent anyone from leaving this PLACE...

If say the Humans could in this Movie or a Sequel.. reveal that they could NOT get the Ship to Leave.. but they could Access a Star Map and from this they Discover other Connected Worlds..

Or messing with the Ship could see it SEND a SIGNAL...

Either way you open it up to then INTRODUCE the Engineers in a Sequel.

Or you could instead have them Discover a Derelict/Juggernaught on the Planet that had Deployed the Eggs..... or does a Juggernaught Drop off Something Else the Eggs are Stored in and thats ALL that is Located a CARGO HOLD?

Super Soldiers.

Don't mind the super soldier like Blomkamp was angling(i think)towards.....Just show us a good reason they are needed. who is Earth fighting?

I like the Saturn idea...Think the audience could relate to a nearby object..even the moon.

"The Franchise does-not belong to us HOWEVER."

Don't tell that to the Star Wars fans!

But you're right...They can do whatever they want...We can create our own sci -fi worlds if we don't like the direction.

This was ONE of my ALIEN V ideas....

No Ripley but its a Parallel Plot to Alien Resurrection

The Failed Ripley 7 Queen is sent to another Station that Orbits Saturn, we could see a Xenomorph Queen that gives Birth to LIVE YOUNG that then Grow Fast.

These Hybrid Off-Spring will Egg Morph the Victims (they become like Eggs) and from these Eggs will Hatch again Small Versions of the Organism that Grow Fast).

The Station also receives some Ripley 8 Blood as they also attempt to make Super Soldiers.

I had another 2 Alien V ideas that revolve around Ripley 8 and are similar.

But as i mentioned earlier you could have a ALIEN V be set on another Place... with Eggs, you dont have to keep going back to that Derelict ;)

If they bring her back AND remove Alien3 and A:R...Then Ripley should be some sort of NEXUS.

Have Ripley awake aboard a Big Dumb Object(think Juggernaut but 100 times the size....In some sort of fluid cryochamber...

She locates Hicks among the thousands of other creatures, also stored in hyper examination tubes. She wakes him and together they search for Newt. Unable to locate her, they find the Sulaco among the wreckage of hundreds of alien starships.

" How would that scare the pants off my bored-to-death date?"

Well i think to SCARE people nowadays is Difficult compared to the 80's, i mean Alien as of NOW would only really Scare the 13's and UNDER nowadays, and well it would NOT make a PG-13

So it could be more COOL ACTION that they see as worth doing rather then to SCARE us.  I mentioned before the same point you raise daliens

So Prometheus was never giving the Answers and Xenomorph so lets give them that and Xenomorphs...CHECK!

Opps that NEVER worked..

Lets go RET-CON the Movies after ALIENS and bring back Ripley.... CHECK!

But as you said IF that Flops then really where do they GO then?

I think with a MOVE like this ALIEN V what you have is this..

FLOP and well the Franchise could be in a COMA for a Long Time.. (Theatrically)

HIT and its a case of they will then MILK the Ripley Angle and the Franchise will be about Ripley and Queens again.

I think some of RS comments are Correct... as far as you have to CHANGE things a bit, Evolve IT, because if you keep to the IT ANT BROKE DONT FIX... then the Franchise could make Money for some Fans.... but it could become more like a Starship Troopers...

The Franchise does-not belong to us HOWEVER... and so Disney can do what they wish with it...  I just feel that for the Flaws of Prometheus and Alien Resurrection there was Scope with the Plots.

Rather than be stuck with REPETITION.

This does-not mean you cant have Xenomorphs.. you just have to be CLEVER and Careful and you cant just have another 2-3 Movies where they are the Same as we saw in say ALIENS and AVP.

Yeah, I just saw it now. Thank you so much Chris, in time I will make it more Alien works. I'm happy to here. Cheers!

The draft was confirmed by Walter Hill in the link I posted above, so it's legit. It might be slightly different than the one handed over to Sigourney Weaver because of the more recent date on the cover.

The problem is that I find it hard to believe they would make money with another Ripley story, even if it will be a more children friendly film (like Aliens tried to do). But who knows, maybe I'm wrong because personally I am not interested in such a story. How would that scare the pants off my bored-to-death date? A Ripley dreaming her life away, having xenomorphs ass kicking nightmares would be as entertaining as The (last) Predator.

More important is that if this next Ripley retcon film fails to make money, the whole Alien universe will collapse. At least a film that isn't a box office hit but helps expanding the universe and leaves a lot of possibilities open for sequels / spin offs seems to me the better choice now.

I have just looked the Date of the Draft  is Friday 13th March 2020

Maybe its a Early April Fools? As i am a bit Suspicious of the Friday the 13th Date?  But the Miss Weaver had said she had a Draft off them 18  Months ago so who knows.

So IF we leave the WHEN as far as the Xenomorph was Created a Mystery well we simply DONT carry on with the Prequels.

But we do-not try and CONFLICT them... so its left OPEN to us Wondering.... so DID those Xenomorphs of Davids get on LV-426?  Did the Engineers take his Creation and Evolve it? Or was the LV-426 Eggs something that was Created Thousands of Years ago....

We just DONT indicate any of it.

Regardless of the ANSWER the Eggs got onto a Engineer Ship, can we be SURE that they got on ONLY the One Ship?

IF not then WHERE could the other Ships had GONE?  By Virtue of the Engineers Ships then those other Eggs could be Located in a AREA that is FAR from where Humans had Explored by the Time of ALIENS.

One of these Worlds could be another HUMAN Colony... but a World where these Humans had arrived their Thousands of Years ago via the Engineers, maybe its a Engineers World?

Maybe its a World where the Engineers and other Humans lived in some kind of Harmony..... UNTIL the Xenomorph had been SENT there!

But WHO would want to do such a thing?

*Maybe Engineers be it they Created it Eons ago or they have Engineered Davids Creation or Took it, decided that they have to GO and Eradicate the Human Settlements... only the ONE that was Destined for Earth had ENDED UP on LV-426 you simply leave the WHO/HOW and WHEN a Mystery

*Maybe David intended to DESTROY the Earth and OTHER Places inc Engineer Settlements... and again the ONE that was Destined for Earth had ENDED UP on LV-426 you simply leave the WHO/HOW and WHEN a Mystery

All we have is that Humans will end up on this World and discover the Aftermath... but they would be Surprised to Discover some other Humanoid Settlements that look Ancient, but with some Advanced Technology thats BEYOND what we have on Earth.... 

HOW did this Happen?  Well thats when loosely the PLOT of Prometheus could be looked at....

So you can then from this EXPAND on the Franchise to what Prometheus was showing a little... without giving us the Xenomorph Origin or looking at WHAT it is that David had been doing.

Yeah the Page is Blank with a V

We have to remember that Hill and Giler make money as Producers, and if they can SELL a idea to Disney where they can make a Popcorn Fan Service Ret-con, well if that MAKES the Money thats where Disney would go.

The Franchise will go by WHAT makes MONEY.. if that means SIMPLE Action and NO real Depth thats what they would do.

Now its NOT that i dislike the Franchise or Aliens... it was a Story about the MONSTER and RIPLEY.  It seemed to have come FULL-CIRCLE with Alien 3 and Miss Weaver did-not want to do anymore at that Time.

Alien Resurrection was FAR from a Perfect Return but it offered some interesting ideas to EXPAND it past the Standard Xenomorph by that i mean Potential of Genetically Re-Engineering it, looking at the Potential of Ripley 8 as far as a Specimen to Experiment on.

The Prequels have become a PICKLE!

BUT i just DONT see the Need to go and Reboot Alien 3 on-wards by offering us it was all  DREAM!

Did anyone see the Latest Terminator?  Arnie just does-not have that same Impact as in Terminator and Terminator 2 are we going to see a 70+ Year Old Ripley go and KICK ASS for another 2-3 Movies while she is 70-80 to Shoot them?

You could DIGITALLY de-age her but UNLESS its done right and thats Expensive per Minute then it could look more DAFT (if not done right) than the Old Man Weyland.

You DONT have to touch upon the Prequels as far as to Literally give stuff away to make a NEW Movie... you dont have to REBOOT anything.

You can either.

1) Continue with Ripley 8 after Alien Resurection (where only a Few Scenes you De-Age her before you then offer TWO Plots.

a) She slowly is Changing more into a Hybrid so her Skin changes more like Holloways was (Grey) you can get away with more CGI then as she does-not have to look 100% like a Humans Skin Texture/Color.

b) As above but someone offers to RID her of the Xenomorph DNA... after this is Removed... she then Gradually is shown to AGE...

2) You go and make another ALIEN movie that again gives someone else a BITE at the Cherry... and you DONT have to go back to the Derelict on LV-426 or LV-223, or Planet 4 to Introduce somewhere where there are more EGGS.

Was the Derelict the ONLY ship that was LOADED with that Cargo?

IF you are going to make a OH its DREAM.... then make it a Dr Shaw's Nightmare! 

Certainly Good Points ;)

The Technology of the Engineers is VERY interesting and prior to Alien Covenant i am sure MOST of the Fans would have Expected that when we SEE the Engineers then we would see more about their Technology and while we WONDER and WAIT i am sure many of us are THINKING about a Good Splash of HR Giger Aesthetic ;)

Also Second to that... WHAT other Horrific Creations had they Created and what Horrific Tale had led to their Kind of Experiments.

As far as WALTER... again yes if we had David simply STEAL his Clothes, then we would have to Figure Out exactly HOW would he be able to Communicate with them?

David never gave any Engineer Lessons... only FLUTE!

Maybe Walter will Play the Juggernaught Flute to make it POINT to Origae-6 ha ha!

As you RIGHTLY pointed out when they want to take us somewhere in a Movie then they would PULL any RABBIT out of the HAT for a PLOT CONVENIENCE.... or give NO explanation at all (Eggs from ALIEN 3 anyone).

Hope they don't fragment the fans more with a SJW or Black Lives Matter angle.

I can see them jumping on that bandwagon.

The evil police...err Xenomophs! need to be taught a strong lesson!

I see Blomkamp getting onboard for this.

The new definition of a popcorn chick flick: a story that

- scares the pants off your date,

- kicks the ass of a new Xenomorph, and

- conducts a meditation on both the universe of the Alien franchise and the destiny of the character of Lt. Ellen Ripley.

Something of a Twilight Saga, with new xenomorphs instead of vampires.

Hard to imagine Ripley meditating on the Alien universe (in the privy?), then kicking the ass of a new xenomorph, then meditating on her own destiny of multiple deaths and resurrections. Not sure which part would scare the pants off your date and how old that date should be. LMAO

uugh.

Instead of Ripley ejecting the creature out the airlock(for the fourth time)

Have her kill the xeno onboard the ship and that ship loses control(xeno acid eats through the controls) and crashes on the planet.

Or let the company finally win setting up a sequel.

I know only two things:
1) Need a larger budget.
2) No exclusive PC stores.

I really like this! Great work TITANPOINTE, I'm curious to see what other Alien beasts you can conceptualize. I've featured this topic so it appears on our homepage. Really dig the creativity!

That shouldn't be too difficult.

I only hope Sigourney Weaver will not change her mind.

I am more than sure that their level of professionalism is undeniably higher than that of Lindeloff.

Siggy, kick the asses of these two lousy writers, Hill and Giller, please.

I also found this:

"Sigourney, as she has from the very beginning, is being too modest about her proven ability to pull off the idea — which is to tell a story that scares the pants off your date, kicks the ass of a new Xenomorph, and conducts a meditation on both the universe of the Alien franchise and the destiny of the character of Lt. Ellen Ripley," Hill said in a statement obtained by SYFY WIRE.

Totally crap.

I believe somebody from Brandywine is looking at this forum, since they changed the Brandywine home page immediately after BigDave grabbed the first page of the draft. 

To quote BlackAnt, "the black goo is what we call in the movie business one of those Mcguffs".

BlackAnt was also a supporter of the space wars and profitability of the franchise.

Coincidentally there is another quote on the draft cover, "War is hell".

What the hell is going on?

Hey! The great idea- V means vivisector! And who is the vivisector is the Alien universe? Rigth! It's will be a third "prequel"-sequel to Alien Covenant, but actually it will be also the retcon of Alien 3. Ripley & Co fights against David's invasion!

Ripley will shoot David by pulse rifle, but David will repulse the shots using the sound wave of a wooden flute, after which he uses kung-fu!

When I accessed the Brandywine site in computer I see a "V" only, can't see the title page of the draft you posted, BigDave.

If it's dated March 2020, cannot be the same Sigourney Weaver was talking about. But I believe her confession is part of a marketing campaign for Blomkamps Alien V. That sucks if it is true.

One way or another, there are few arguments in favor of David.

And I would not worry about how the engineers would know where the Covenant went. After all, it seems like the prequels don't like the word "how." I personally think that it would be better if Origae-6 will be their base, another colony, seeded world.

If they want to track the Covenant - let them use their technology, and not talk to androids. I am not against dialogue, but it will be another simplification, another primitive moment that could be played more interesting + show us (finally) technologies of engineers.

Besides Black Goo - what do we know about the technologies of engineers. If we forget about xenomorphs and focus on engineers, then it is their technology that is of the greatest interest, not society.

This, by the way, is one of the most disappointing moments of the prequels - not the “what”, but the “how”.

How engineers make their ships? How David create the xenomorph? Not what kind of world David/Walter will build, but how he will do it - that’s a good question!

 The quote from Poe, "All that we see or seen is but a dream within a dream" and the other mention of dream "In space no one can hear you dream" reminded me of David " No one understands the lonely perfection of my dreams".

What troubles me is the title, Alien V.

Can you still access the site?

All I get is a black screen and the Brandywine Production written with white letters.

"Certainly with the Revelation of the Black Goo it does make it a bit POINTLESS in going for Xenomorph Eggs."

Yup. Eggs: the victim has to be near or look directly into pod....and maybe avoid the facehugger..low odds but it can be done...and if you have a weapon your odds increase greatly.

Black goo: yeah, you're pretty much dead....no shotgun or nuke is gonna save you.