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I like the Saturn idea...Think the audience could relate to a nearby object..even the moon.

"The Franchise does-not belong to us HOWEVER."

Don't tell that to the Star Wars fans!

But you're right...They can do whatever they want...We can create our own sci -fi worlds if we don't like the direction.

This was ONE of my ALIEN V ideas....

No Ripley but its a Parallel Plot to Alien Resurrection

The Failed Ripley 7 Queen is sent to another Station that Orbits Saturn, we could see a Xenomorph Queen that gives Birth to LIVE YOUNG that then Grow Fast.

These Hybrid Off-Spring will Egg Morph the Victims (they become like Eggs) and from these Eggs will Hatch again Small Versions of the Organism that Grow Fast).

The Station also receives some Ripley 8 Blood as they also attempt to make Super Soldiers.

I had another 2 Alien V ideas that revolve around Ripley 8 and are similar.

But as i mentioned earlier you could have a ALIEN V be set on another Place... with Eggs, you dont have to keep going back to that Derelict ;)

If they bring her back AND remove Alien3 and A:R...Then Ripley should be some sort of NEXUS.

Have Ripley awake aboard a Big Dumb Object(think Juggernaut but 100 times the size....In some sort of fluid cryochamber...

She locates Hicks among the thousands of other creatures, also stored in hyper examination tubes. She wakes him and together they search for Newt. Unable to locate her, they find the Sulaco among the wreckage of hundreds of alien starships.

" How would that scare the pants off my bored-to-death date?"

Well i think to SCARE people nowadays is Difficult compared to the 80's, i mean Alien as of NOW would only really Scare the 13's and UNDER nowadays, and well it would NOT make a PG-13

So it could be more COOL ACTION that they see as worth doing rather then to SCARE us.  I mentioned before the same point you raise daliens

So Prometheus was never giving the Answers and Xenomorph so lets give them that and Xenomorphs...CHECK!

Opps that NEVER worked..

Lets go RET-CON the Movies after ALIENS and bring back Ripley.... CHECK!

But as you said IF that Flops then really where do they GO then?

I think with a MOVE like this ALIEN V what you have is this..

FLOP and well the Franchise could be in a COMA for a Long Time.. (Theatrically)

HIT and its a case of they will then MILK the Ripley Angle and the Franchise will be about Ripley and Queens again.

I think some of RS comments are Correct... as far as you have to CHANGE things a bit, Evolve IT, because if you keep to the IT ANT BROKE DONT FIX... then the Franchise could make Money for some Fans.... but it could become more like a Starship Troopers...

The Franchise does-not belong to us HOWEVER... and so Disney can do what they wish with it...  I just feel that for the Flaws of Prometheus and Alien Resurrection there was Scope with the Plots.

Rather than be stuck with REPETITION.

This does-not mean you cant have Xenomorphs.. you just have to be CLEVER and Careful and you cant just have another 2-3 Movies where they are the Same as we saw in say ALIENS and AVP.

Yeah, I just saw it now. Thank you so much Chris, in time I will make it more Alien works. I'm happy to here. Cheers!

The draft was confirmed by Walter Hill in the link I posted above, so it's legit. It might be slightly different than the one handed over to Sigourney Weaver because of the more recent date on the cover.

The problem is that I find it hard to believe they would make money with another Ripley story, even if it will be a more children friendly film (like Aliens tried to do). But who knows, maybe I'm wrong because personally I am not interested in such a story. How would that scare the pants off my bored-to-death date? A Ripley dreaming her life away, having xenomorphs ass kicking nightmares would be as entertaining as The (last) Predator.

More important is that if this next Ripley retcon film fails to make money, the whole Alien universe will collapse. At least a film that isn't a box office hit but helps expanding the universe and leaves a lot of possibilities open for sequels / spin offs seems to me the better choice now.

I have just looked the Date of the Draft  is Friday 13th March 2020

Maybe its a Early April Fools? As i am a bit Suspicious of the Friday the 13th Date?  But the Miss Weaver had said she had a Draft off them 18  Months ago so who knows.

So IF we leave the WHEN as far as the Xenomorph was Created a Mystery well we simply DONT carry on with the Prequels.

But we do-not try and CONFLICT them... so its left OPEN to us Wondering.... so DID those Xenomorphs of Davids get on LV-426?  Did the Engineers take his Creation and Evolve it? Or was the LV-426 Eggs something that was Created Thousands of Years ago....

We just DONT indicate any of it.

Regardless of the ANSWER the Eggs got onto a Engineer Ship, can we be SURE that they got on ONLY the One Ship?

IF not then WHERE could the other Ships had GONE?  By Virtue of the Engineers Ships then those other Eggs could be Located in a AREA that is FAR from where Humans had Explored by the Time of ALIENS.

One of these Worlds could be another HUMAN Colony... but a World where these Humans had arrived their Thousands of Years ago via the Engineers, maybe its a Engineers World?

Maybe its a World where the Engineers and other Humans lived in some kind of Harmony..... UNTIL the Xenomorph had been SENT there!

But WHO would want to do such a thing?

*Maybe Engineers be it they Created it Eons ago or they have Engineered Davids Creation or Took it, decided that they have to GO and Eradicate the Human Settlements... only the ONE that was Destined for Earth had ENDED UP on LV-426 you simply leave the WHO/HOW and WHEN a Mystery

*Maybe David intended to DESTROY the Earth and OTHER Places inc Engineer Settlements... and again the ONE that was Destined for Earth had ENDED UP on LV-426 you simply leave the WHO/HOW and WHEN a Mystery

All we have is that Humans will end up on this World and discover the Aftermath... but they would be Surprised to Discover some other Humanoid Settlements that look Ancient, but with some Advanced Technology thats BEYOND what we have on Earth.... 

HOW did this Happen?  Well thats when loosely the PLOT of Prometheus could be looked at....

So you can then from this EXPAND on the Franchise to what Prometheus was showing a little... without giving us the Xenomorph Origin or looking at WHAT it is that David had been doing.

Yeah the Page is Blank with a V

We have to remember that Hill and Giler make money as Producers, and if they can SELL a idea to Disney where they can make a Popcorn Fan Service Ret-con, well if that MAKES the Money thats where Disney would go.

The Franchise will go by WHAT makes MONEY.. if that means SIMPLE Action and NO real Depth thats what they would do.

Now its NOT that i dislike the Franchise or Aliens... it was a Story about the MONSTER and RIPLEY.  It seemed to have come FULL-CIRCLE with Alien 3 and Miss Weaver did-not want to do anymore at that Time.

Alien Resurrection was FAR from a Perfect Return but it offered some interesting ideas to EXPAND it past the Standard Xenomorph by that i mean Potential of Genetically Re-Engineering it, looking at the Potential of Ripley 8 as far as a Specimen to Experiment on.

The Prequels have become a PICKLE!

BUT i just DONT see the Need to go and Reboot Alien 3 on-wards by offering us it was all  DREAM!

Did anyone see the Latest Terminator?  Arnie just does-not have that same Impact as in Terminator and Terminator 2 are we going to see a 70+ Year Old Ripley go and KICK ASS for another 2-3 Movies while she is 70-80 to Shoot them?

You could DIGITALLY de-age her but UNLESS its done right and thats Expensive per Minute then it could look more DAFT (if not done right) than the Old Man Weyland.

You DONT have to touch upon the Prequels as far as to Literally give stuff away to make a NEW Movie... you dont have to REBOOT anything.

You can either.

1) Continue with Ripley 8 after Alien Resurection (where only a Few Scenes you De-Age her before you then offer TWO Plots.

a) She slowly is Changing more into a Hybrid so her Skin changes more like Holloways was (Grey) you can get away with more CGI then as she does-not have to look 100% like a Humans Skin Texture/Color.

b) As above but someone offers to RID her of the Xenomorph DNA... after this is Removed... she then Gradually is shown to AGE...

2) You go and make another ALIEN movie that again gives someone else a BITE at the Cherry... and you DONT have to go back to the Derelict on LV-426 or LV-223, or Planet 4 to Introduce somewhere where there are more EGGS.

Was the Derelict the ONLY ship that was LOADED with that Cargo?

IF you are going to make a OH its DREAM.... then make it a Dr Shaw's Nightmare! 

Certainly Good Points ;)

The Technology of the Engineers is VERY interesting and prior to Alien Covenant i am sure MOST of the Fans would have Expected that when we SEE the Engineers then we would see more about their Technology and while we WONDER and WAIT i am sure many of us are THINKING about a Good Splash of HR Giger Aesthetic ;)

Also Second to that... WHAT other Horrific Creations had they Created and what Horrific Tale had led to their Kind of Experiments.

As far as WALTER... again yes if we had David simply STEAL his Clothes, then we would have to Figure Out exactly HOW would he be able to Communicate with them?

David never gave any Engineer Lessons... only FLUTE!

Maybe Walter will Play the Juggernaught Flute to make it POINT to Origae-6 ha ha!

As you RIGHTLY pointed out when they want to take us somewhere in a Movie then they would PULL any RABBIT out of the HAT for a PLOT CONVENIENCE.... or give NO explanation at all (Eggs from ALIEN 3 anyone).

Hope they don't fragment the fans more with a SJW or Black Lives Matter angle.

I can see them jumping on that bandwagon.

The evil police...err Xenomophs! need to be taught a strong lesson!

I see Blomkamp getting onboard for this.

The new definition of a popcorn chick flick: a story that

- scares the pants off your date,

- kicks the ass of a new Xenomorph, and

- conducts a meditation on both the universe of the Alien franchise and the destiny of the character of Lt. Ellen Ripley.

Something of a Twilight Saga, with new xenomorphs instead of vampires.

Hard to imagine Ripley meditating on the Alien universe (in the privy?), then kicking the ass of a new xenomorph, then meditating on her own destiny of multiple deaths and resurrections. Not sure which part would scare the pants off your date and how old that date should be. LMAO

uugh.

Instead of Ripley ejecting the creature out the airlock(for the fourth time)

Have her kill the xeno onboard the ship and that ship loses control(xeno acid eats through the controls) and crashes on the planet.

Or let the company finally win setting up a sequel.

I know only two things:
1) Need a larger budget.
2) No exclusive PC stores.

I really like this! Great work TITANPOINTE, I'm curious to see what other Alien beasts you can conceptualize. I've featured this topic so it appears on our homepage. Really dig the creativity!

That shouldn't be too difficult.

I only hope Sigourney Weaver will not change her mind.

I am more than sure that their level of professionalism is undeniably higher than that of Lindeloff.

Siggy, kick the asses of these two lousy writers, Hill and Giller, please.

I also found this:

"Sigourney, as she has from the very beginning, is being too modest about her proven ability to pull off the idea — which is to tell a story that scares the pants off your date, kicks the ass of a new Xenomorph, and conducts a meditation on both the universe of the Alien franchise and the destiny of the character of Lt. Ellen Ripley," Hill said in a statement obtained by SYFY WIRE.

Totally crap.

I believe somebody from Brandywine is looking at this forum, since they changed the Brandywine home page immediately after BigDave grabbed the first page of the draft. 

To quote BlackAnt, "the black goo is what we call in the movie business one of those Mcguffs".

BlackAnt was also a supporter of the space wars and profitability of the franchise.

Coincidentally there is another quote on the draft cover, "War is hell".

What the hell is going on?

Hey! The great idea- V means vivisector! And who is the vivisector is the Alien universe? Rigth! It's will be a third "prequel"-sequel to Alien Covenant, but actually it will be also the retcon of Alien 3. Ripley & Co fights against David's invasion!

Ripley will shoot David by pulse rifle, but David will repulse the shots using the sound wave of a wooden flute, after which he uses kung-fu!

When I accessed the Brandywine site in computer I see a "V" only, can't see the title page of the draft you posted, BigDave.

If it's dated March 2020, cannot be the same Sigourney Weaver was talking about. But I believe her confession is part of a marketing campaign for Blomkamps Alien V. That sucks if it is true.

One way or another, there are few arguments in favor of David.

And I would not worry about how the engineers would know where the Covenant went. After all, it seems like the prequels don't like the word "how." I personally think that it would be better if Origae-6 will be their base, another colony, seeded world.

If they want to track the Covenant - let them use their technology, and not talk to androids. I am not against dialogue, but it will be another simplification, another primitive moment that could be played more interesting + show us (finally) technologies of engineers.

Besides Black Goo - what do we know about the technologies of engineers. If we forget about xenomorphs and focus on engineers, then it is their technology that is of the greatest interest, not society.

This, by the way, is one of the most disappointing moments of the prequels - not the “what”, but the “how”.

How engineers make their ships? How David create the xenomorph? Not what kind of world David/Walter will build, but how he will do it - that’s a good question!

 The quote from Poe, "All that we see or seen is but a dream within a dream" and the other mention of dream "In space no one can hear you dream" reminded me of David " No one understands the lonely perfection of my dreams".

What troubles me is the title, Alien V.

Can you still access the site?

All I get is a black screen and the Brandywine Production written with white letters.

"Certainly with the Revelation of the Black Goo it does make it a bit POINTLESS in going for Xenomorph Eggs."

Yup. Eggs: the victim has to be near or look directly into pod....and maybe avoid the facehugger..low odds but it can be done...and if you have a weapon your odds increase greatly.

Black goo: yeah, you're pretty much dead....no shotgun or nuke is gonna save you.

Well its something that they can SHOW us either way...

The David Transfers his Soul to WALTER Plot would allow us to get past some LOOP HOLES..

This would mean that we have a David on Planet 4 which would give a Reason for HOW the Engineers could Determine where the other David is OFF TOO..

But then IF both Davids are on the Same Page, then WHY would he give up where the other David is going?

It could be Interesting because as David is Sentient, and may think that PASSING his Soul on to another Better Body is a way for him to be Enhanced.... would the OLD Version of him still have a FEAR of being Terminated..

You could imagine after the Soul Transfer of Sorts.... you see David look at Walter and go "My Brother! that New Accent Suits you.... together we can RULE the Galaxy"  Then the Walter/David would then DISABLE the other David.

(My Prologue for my Alien Covenant Sequel idea was a bit similar but the Soul Transfer takes place on the Covenant Ship with a Spare Walter built from parts).

For he knows that as WALTER he could FOOL the Crew of the Covenant to reach his Objective and that he knows that HE is someone you cant TRUST and he simply cant TRUST another Version of himself in case the OLD version would ONE DAY... stab him in the BACK.

We still cant rule out if RS was thinking about Multiple Davids like more than 2... when he said the NEXT one would be about A.I

But any such PLOT would only distance Fans from the Prequels IMO

Just visited the site..Yup looks like Alien 5 is the direction.......oh well...at least it's something? 

Looking more into this Project i looked at the Brandywine Production Company Website and its Interesting.  Take a Look

Has the Official Site been replaced with the ABOVE?

Also doing some looking around i came across THIS

So this seems LEGIT

Also this Draft is Dated March 2020

"In space no one can hear you scream
In space no one can hear you dream

All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream."

To me this seems rather Worrying to me, it appears that what we have is Blomkamps ALIEN V idea, given a going over by Hill and Giler, and it seems the CONCEPT/PLOT could be that ALIEN 3 and ALIEN RESURRECTION are just NIGHTMARES of Ellen Ripley.

This seems to show me that Disney are Buckling to Fan Service more so than FOX did when we got Alien Covenant instead of a Prometheus 2 that would have STEERED away from ALIEN.

I would NOT be surprised if after this ALIEN V is released and IF it does Well/Ok then the Prequels will just be ANOTHER DREAM!

Ridley Scott had tried to EXPAND the Franchise with Prometheus.

We could have Expanded to the Far Reaches of the Galaxy and Beyond, many Worlds, Races, Conflict and Horrors.

But NOW maybe we are just Confined to a 40LY Area from Earth.... or WORSE!  The Dreams of Ripley... imagine that... that ALIEN is also just a Dream?

But lets not get to HASTY... maybe it will be a Good Popcorn Flick.

I Personally think you HAVE to Continue after Alien Resurrection and i have had 3 Ideas of how they could do that with Ripley 8 and GET around the Age Difference.... 

But looks like we will get to a Ripley 30 years latter and that at least Alien 3 and Alien R are just a BAD DREAM.... Yawn!

The End Scene of ALIEN X released in 2036

"and that Children is the END, now Sleep Tight my Dears, Dont let the BED BUGS bite"

Run Credits!

If it's David - why did he stop? Why does he look back? Why is there an expression of uncertainty and doubt on his face? Just like: "Did I make the right choice? Did I do the right thing?" Why does he have exactly the same scar as Walter? The answer can be found in the novelization from Alan Dean Foster.

Definitely no one can say. One half of the arguments for David. Another for Walter. This is a typical mystery box, intended only for speculation, not search for answers.

Maybe the third film will show, but so far it is impossible to say.

Thanks dk :)

Well RS had Suggested that it is DAVID on the Covenant, which could imply that he Changed Clothes and Cut his Face and Cut his Hand Off.

The other options remains that David had Uploaded/Transferred his A.I Memories/Soul into Walter.

Walter is only a Synthetic Shell.... his Programing/A.I is Walter and so if this is Replaced with Davids A.I then in effect i guess that SHELL is now David.

Yeah there is a LOT to cover before we get to ALIEN and so it depends HOW they move forwards with it.

With the David as the Creator Plot then the Chances that ASH knows more than he is letting on, and potential he KNOWS what the Signal means are increased.

Regarding the Signal in Prometheus at that TIME you would assume the Prometheus would have detected it, if we ASSUME that LV-223 is located NOT FAR from LV-426

With the PLOT Change in Alien Covenant then its a case of at the Time of Prometheus then there was NO stranded Derelict Ship on LV-426 we have yet to come to that EVENT.

Good Point about the WARNING... regardless of WHEN the Event happened if David is the Culprit then it would be ODD for him to leave a WARNING and so it makes more sense that the Derelict Event is a Ship that is Piloted by Engineers (unless they wish to have the Space Jockey as another Species).

The Blue Mist back at the Time of ALIEN was likely some Protective Barrier that maybe would STOP the Eggs from Hatching on their OWN....

The Eggs did seem to be Surrounded by a Dark Slime/Liquid and to me at the Time of ALIEN they look like they are GROWN. With some kind of Roots.

I wonder if Ash knew what the message said but didn't mention it to the crew since he wanted the specimen. As a scientist, it would seem he would have at least expressed an interest or curiosity in the message. Pure conjecture on my part.

And at the end of Convenant, supposedly Walter, selected the same piece of Richard Wagner like David on opening movie when he 'born'. Did David gave to Walter him memories? 

The eggs seem to be oozing some black goo, like the urns from the head room in Prometheus.

Coming back to the Space Jockey, I think it is safe to assume it's not David, since he sends a warning instead of an invitation or a country song, like David would have done.

strange that Ship Prometheus did not catch the signal from LV-426. when Kane goes down he says it's like a cave. in the leaked out version it can be seen that the hold or maybe some complex under the ship is divided into partitions and in them thousands of oval objects, probably eggs. and only one divider for a strange shell of blue light and fog from eggs I do not get out of it. it's like securing unknown technology to keep the atmosphere going. when Kane goes down to the eggs you can see that they were poured and the ground was also black goo. looks like the black goo be used to watered the Eggs and they grew in the ground like plants.

Its a bit Unclear... we have discussed it before but the Message does have some Words that are Repeated.

There is some Initial Words, then a Word Repeated Twice then another Word thats Repeated Twice then some Words that sound a bit like the Opening of the Warning.

Ridley Scott had said the Signal was a Warning to inform the Space Jockeys Race that the Cargo is Comprised and NOT to Land/Investigate.

When trying to Translate we have to remember some Languages are not Translated Word for Word in the same Order that the English Translation appears.

The SOS is maybe similar to..

"Warning Warning the Cargo is Compromised Do NOT Land, Do NOT Land"

Well in Order...

"Cargo is Compromised!, Warning!, Warning!, Do Not Investigate! (or Land), Do Not Investigate! (or Land), the Cargo is Loose!"