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When looking back at the Franchise (i will NOT inc the AVP Movies) then i think for the Most Part all we can do is mainly Speculate.  Now some of that can be Shaped Different depending on WHICH versions we take into account.

Each Movie has some Conflicts and Bugs there are some Differences Particularly when we Connect the Prequels to ALIEN but then we have discussed things such as the Derelict vs Juggernaught, Engineer vs Space Jockey, the Cave vs Cargo Hold and the Davids Xenomorph vs Alien Xenomorphs... these have been covered a LOT.

So in Context to your Post DK then i would agree the Weyland-Yutani Company have played a HUGE Role, they are a KEY element, and something that IF we got any Conclusion then maybe we could have seen WHY they became to Central.

Ripley also played a KEY Role in the First 4 Movies, because as Ignorantguy pointed out in Alien Resurrection we see that W-Y had been brought out by Walmart but none the LESS the Agenda of some Human Scientists/Company wishing to Obtain a Xenomorph is still at play... Different Company, but Similar Agenda.

Ripley playing the Main Role, but she has NO bearing on the Prequels she was just the Human Heroine Character to overcome the Xenomorph Threat.

Or Xenomorph being what you would ASSUME is the Main Focus of the Franchise, but they are just the ALIEN THREAT that the Humans must overcome...

so we have 6 Movies, and 4 of them Feature Ripley, 5 of them Feature the Weyland-Yutani Company in some Form (Weyland for Prometheus), 5 of them Feature the Xenomorph, we have 3 of them that is about the W-Y Company trying to Obtain the Xenomorph

What ALL of the Movies have is A.I/Androids and when i look at all the Movies i do see a Potential Connection to the A.I playing a Large Role.  With Aliens and Alien 3 you could argue that Bishop was Different as he had NO kind of Nefarious Agenda, and Michael Bishop was Human.

But when trying to ADD how things can Connect from Movie to Movie, then Bishop did seem to know or would have been aware of HOW the Eggs got on the Sulaco or he indeed did by the Time he was Activated by Ripley. so you could Ponder what Role had A.I or Bishop in this.

Ash seemed to be VERY interested in the Xenomorph he Admired it a lot, which maybe takes on a Whole New Light if he is aware that his Ancestor (David) had Created it.

Then we come to AR... there is that Back Ground revelation about CALL where we know the Autons are Synthetics Created by Synthetics and so 200 Years after ALIENS we do see that the Earth (well some Cities) is in a Bad Shape, we have Synthetics going around to Sub-Create and seeing their Sub-Creation for a Rebellion (Autons) and so i think that behind the Scenes we see that A.I and Sub-Creation are playing a HUGE role.

@ignorantguy, we will have to agree to disagree about Ridley Scott’s genius status. I would just point out that his “RidleyGram” storyboards are legendary in the business. Actors, who jump at the chance to work with him, are on record as describing him as a genius.

Kubrick’s behaviour that you mention is exactly my point. Kubrick hid himself away and focused on a small number of works to the exclusion of everything else. Scott has his fingers in too many pies in my opinion.

G. I. Jane: features the Razzie 1997 award for worst actress.

A Good Year: described as a comedy, but featuring very little in the way of humour. Tedious story.

Making decisions based mostly on emotions is not smart, you got to think things through to try to make the best out of the situation. You can not make people like a parody if you want your movie to be taken seriously because they are a big part of making it work. If the characters do not work you do not have a movie, to me it is as simple as that. They made their own bed and now we have what we have.

Covenant has less annoying characters but Prometheus looks better. On the other hand it is too much about the robots in Covenant and less so in Prometheus. I agree with DK about Prometheus on leaving out the Xeno Fifield and having less cut out scenes. The major problem with both of them is that they lack good characters while that was not a problem with 1, 2, and 3.

To me there is 1, 2, and 3, the rest do not really matter even if there are parts of them that are interesting to discuss. Even though they are not perfect at least they are not about robots and most of the characters are at least alright.

GI Jane is okay yes people have different tastes and there might be people that read this that react with "whaattt?????" but that is not a problem because art is subjective. I would probably rather watch that movie compared to Covenant, LOL. For now it seems that AC effed up the franchise and I would rather watch the short movies.

hox Sorry but I would not say RS is a genius, yes he has a very keen eye and can make movies very efficiently. You know what Kubrick did between movies? He stayed in the effin library to document himself in order to make his masterpiece movies. RS never did that ... he did not find Do android dream of .... interesting enough to finish the book. In all honesty a good part of Alien would like different weren't for 2001. And you know what, Blade Runner was not even the first movie to mix Noir with Sci-fi, that would be Alphaville.

Kubrick hated the Hollywood system, while RS is a good "businessman". He is definitely not a victim here.

I would like to know why do you consider GI Jane and A Good Year as his worse, as many of his movie on Metacritic are 50 or below. Are those not sadistic enough for your taste? 

I enjoy AVP and Resurrection. They are great popcorn flicks and that is why I didn't take the Walmart reference seriously- I thought it was just mor being jaded and cynical like the general tone of the characters were. 

hox brings up a good point referencing from Aliens that 400 worlds were surveyed by WY. I could imagine Cameron making a movie based off that just like Scott made a movie based on the SJ. Same rationale: Camron: "No one ever picked up the reference about those other worlds and that's why I am making Aliens 1.5."

I wouldn’t let facts get in the way of a good story. I mean, if we’re sticking to what actually happened on screen, we’re lumbered with Predators harvesting Alien Queens on Earth going back thousands of years (AVP). Disclosure and guilty pleasure: I do like that movie.

The Company should not have met a similar fate to Newt and Hicks. Such a waste of something that almost amounts to a character in itself.

With “over 400 surveyed worlds” in the time of Aliens, there is plenty of scope for setting stories on far-flung reaches of the Galaxy where WY’s evil influence reigns supreme.

@dk, it’s a pity you won’t see the prequels again. I’ve seen Prometheus and Covenant countless times and - despite their faults - enjoy them hugely. I cannot say the same for the final movie of the quadrilogy, which I grudgingly watch every few years to keep my hand in!

I don’t think there’s any doubt that Prometheus & Covenant would be far worse movies had Ridley Scott not been onboard. My problem with Ridley is that he’s spread himself too thinly. With his executive producing roles he must spend morning, day and night overseeing his multitude of interests. That might be fun for him, but it’s a shame for us. When I contrast his rampant production promiscuity with, say, Stanley Kubrick, I find myself wondering where we’d be now if Ridley had spent his life differently, turning his genius toward making a few select movies. Almost without exception, Kubrick made a small number of truly outstanding works. Sure, he led a weird life verging on the antisocial, but he’s left us with a brilliant heritage. Ridley has left us “A Good Year” and “G.I. Jane”, to mention just two of his stonking turkeys.

The other side of the coin is studio interference. Kubrick was able to bat away the MGM suits, because his stature towered above each and every nervous executive. What a shame that Fox bent Scott to their will by forcing the Big Boy back into the frame at the end of Covenant. Still, in 2020 what can he do about that. Disney’s controlling hand will likely be as bad as the overarching dominance of Weyland-Yutani in years to come.

ignorantGuy Agree. Personally, I will stick with the Quadilogy and although I have the prequels, I probably will not ever watch them again. Last year's Alien Day's IGN shorts series are still worth watching as well.

I consider the series as done- but I still like to discuss and debate aspects of it. 

dk ... will the corona situation you won't a confirmation anytime soon. And if we go into a big economic crisis who knows if they would be willing to invest on franchise with diminishing returns.

I think it would be safe to assume that it is dead for the near future.

ignorantGuy I agree a documentary about that would be worth watching. No argument there. I would imagine that there would be heated interviews if key people even agreed to participate or might have gag orders from FOX/Disney or possibly RS. I would pay to see it as well. However, as much as I enjoy discussion/debate/speculation, I honestly would like to see the franchise shit or get off the pot. Little teases and rumors grow tiresome after a while, yes? Either confirm a continuation, or cut it off and let it die with dignity.

Can we really know for sure dk what happened during 2012 and 2017, so of course it will be an opinion piece. I bring it up to have something interesting to talk about, on how much do find plausible that the author nailed.... 

And because I am interested to know what happened and I would give money to see a documentary about it... Talking about where the series should go next.

The article brings up some good points, but ultimately feels like an opinion piece- which is ok I guess.

Here is the down and dirty. Prometheus would have been a fantastic sci fi movie if it would have been a stand alone movie with no connections, even aesthetically, to the Alienverse. Just my opinion.

Leto Well, judging what the article says neither Alien Engineers nor Covenant is what Ridley Scott wanted to make.

I think Prometheus would have been better and smoother with most deleted scenes added and also adding the CGI Fifeld berserker scene.

AC might have been better if I hadn't seen some of the trailers and viral videos that probably made my expectations unrealistic. Those videos had more depth than the actual movie imo.

Both movies could have had better character development.

Good point- I forgot Walmart bought out WY lol. Although extremely diluted xeno blood in soda or spirits is an entertaining thought. 

Covenant is a smoother and more consistent film than Prometheus. It just works better, like a story.

But Prometheus has more inspiration and original ideas. It is a wonderful soil to begin to create.

And guess what?!

Alien: Engineers had both components! It was a smooth, consistent story with tons of new ideas and amazing inspiration from new discoveries.

his miss winter . . . .any more news on your aliensverse books? . . . .way too long :)

"After going through it from recollection, it seems that Weyland/Yutani  is involved in every movie and maybe its sinister agenda might be a fresh way to go." - not quite true as by Resurrection it was bought up by Walmart. And there was no agenda in Alien Covenant. But I wonder if Walmart would sell Xeno-Cola (we already have made food additives from the beaver's anal gland), i think it would be very fizzy.

But I doubt that putting that to the forefront will be very successful. 

BigDave at first I would have thought that this post would talk about RS' new movie with Lady Gaga :P

Honestly I don't think that we could say anything about the enginner tech. Were they on a decline in the last 2000 years? Who knows.

But I'm pretty sure that the Teardrop shaped ships were long abandoned by the 22nd century, and any evidence of their existence lost in time (like tears in the rain ...)

the scorpion ship was a true ship or just a floating structure? Can you see from just the movie. But these will not even be mentioned.

Thanks, Jay, for being part of one of the best sci fi series out there. You are forever canon to the Alienverse. R.I.P.

I certainly think thats something to Consider.

However it could also not be a Indication of a GOD, Murals are sometimes made to Depict certain Acts, Accomplishments as well as Figures or Importance.

There was a lot of Speculation about the Mural, especially since the Space Jesus was kind of indicated by RS, which lead to Speculation that the Cruciform Pose of the Mural must indicate this is a GODLIKE Figure.

Bare with me a bit ;)

The Cruciform Pose of Christ is such that it represents NOT the LORD but the Savior, in that through his Sacrifice on the Cross that Mankind has Redemption, a Chance to be Saved.  The Greatest Deed of Gods Will was the Sacrifice of Christ.

So a Cruciform Pose mainly would Symbolize Sacrifice which is something the Engineers are Very Into and it HOLDS a great Importance.

When we look at LV-223 we know that Clues to this Place have been left on Earth for at least 35'000 Years, this does-not mean that for 35'000 Years that Mural had been there and for 33'000 Years they had Experimented on stuff related to the Mural before decided to UNLEASH it and then things WENT to POT.

So maybe at some point some Engineers or the Entire Civilization had began to Experiment with Horrors that related to the Black Goo and the Mural, the Cruciform Pose could be they Created something to Worship, but then through Many Cultures that Depict Gods they are not really depicted in Cruciform Pose for the Most Part.

My Interpretation is they Encountered something that they Sacrificed, or they had Created Something they then Sacrificed, and Regardless of Which... this is depicted in the Mural of being of GREAT Benefit to those Engineers.

Was it only a Faction of Engineers who undertook such Experiments?  Would this be why they could in part be Considered the Fallen Angels as Ridley Scott had indicated.

Or was their Entire Hierarchy in on this Agenda and so the ENTIRE or Most of the Engineers Society are Evil/Fallen?

I think that David could give us some Clues.. as far as Repeating of History....  i would NOT have been Surprised if Alien Covenant had shown a MURAL of Dr Shaw in Cruciform Pose to Symbolize her Sacrifice had allowed for his Masterpiece...

Sorry if this is a Little Off Topic

I think trying to TIE things together is something that has Many ways they could be Explored.  Do we look at Lucifer and Paradise Lost in more Detail, do we look at Prometheus?  I would say we can look at Everything but maybe NOT try and look too Literal at any ONE thing. But certainly TRY and see how we could Connect them.

I think the Watchers and Book of Enoch could be something else to Consider too.  I think we could look at Samyaza, it would depend on how Literally we try and Connect it.   Would we consider that some Engineers had a LUST for Human Females if so WHY?

Planet 4 Engineers have Females, so WHY go after Humans, unless the Daughters of Man are more Attractive to them, or the Engineers are SET in Ritual Ways where Procreation and Sex is something that there Culture has Forbidden, as far as the LUST and Pleasures of SEX?

Has the Basis of the Engineers PLOT changed from Inception? as prior to Prometheus it was that these Engineers had Engineered Themselves Sterile...... was the Creation of Mankind to Obtain Females to allow they to Procreate, but this was ONLY as far as to obtain the Seed/Egg to then Procreate in a LAB and thus SEX is Shunned?

We dont know for sure as it could be the Engineers on Planet 4 and the Females would predate Mankind, if so maybe Interbreeding with Humans is Forbidden?

Another aspect of Semyaza if i can remember right was the Rebellion against the Rules/Ways of GOD and a Attempt to Create their Own Rules/Rituals and Religion.

In Context to the Franchise, then any Engineers who would attempt to Create/Teach Ways and Rituals that are Against or Do-Not Follow the Ways/Rituals of the Founders would be Consider a Fall.

There are so Many ways these things could FIT, was Mankind Created for a Simple Purpose to be as Cavemen.. and so the Engineers who Visited us and Taught us stuff, was these Engineers Teaching Forbidden Stuff or trying to MOLD us to Worship them as GODS... which is NOT the intention the Hierarchy/Founders of the Engineers may have had Planned, in which case such a Action would be Fallen.

This is the BEAUTY of the Plot and HOW it connects to Various Cultures, Religions and what we are shown, as its BOLD and is VERY open to how you Explore/Connect these things, but this also becomes the Poisoned Chalice of the PLOT.... HOW do you Connect it all?  (reason WHY i Abandoned doing Stories that Continued after Prometheus). I could not find a Complete Answer.

If the Engineers on LV-223 are "exotic dark angels" analogous to the Book of Enoch's Sons of God/ Watchers, why are they shown to be somewhat worshipping the protomorph in the ampule room?  That is, if they are akin to the angels who did not keep their first estate, why are they found worshipping this creature instead of a leader angel akin to Lucifer or Semyaza? Or with this being an existential universe, is it that they rebelled against their original creator/ master, placing their faith in dark science, instead of waiting for a messiah, they engineered one, a Lovecraftian god, the protomorph equivalent to the blind idiot god (the proto- xenomorphs unable to see), Azathoth, and they become its pipers, creating a chaotic, uncaring, universe, opposite to their creator's intent?

Absolutely Maxeno (Welcome Aboard)

This appeared to be the Intention as of 2010, but as i have discussed before a number of Times in the Past, then Notion of Human looking beings in a Space Suit is maybe NOT something just Pulled Out of the air by Jon Spaights.

As this seemed to  be the Indication in HR Gigers Concepts from 1977-1978.

I know such Revelations had not settled with some Fans, which is why in this Topic i offer them a chance to Voice how they Feel but mainly to look at WHAT kind of Alternative they would like to see.

NOT that its likely they would get what they want though ;)

I think its open for them to Introduce something else... Be that...

*Another Humanoid like the Engineers/Humans but Taller.

*A Bi-pedal Humanoid that is FAR from Human Looking.

*A Bio-Mechanical Being/Entity.

But certainly prior to Alien Covenant the Intention was to show that the Space Jockey was a Engineer or Related.  With the release of Alien Covenant then the Space Jockey as a Engineer is something that could CHANGE.

I suspect that IF that Changes However, then it would likely be some other Species that David Creates... or David in some Engineered New Body he has Created. Thats the suspicion i have if things had Continued... i think that it would have been like 40% Chance of something like that, with a 40% it would be a Engineer leaving 20% Chance of it being some other Race Connected to the Engineers.

Unfortunately unless its Created by David, then i cant see the Space Jockey being revealed as something that is either FAR from Human or a Bio-Mechanical being.

With Disney in Charge, i think they may even SKIP the Space Jockey, and move away from the Prequels... or in TIME they may give something that maybe they FEEL the Fans would want.

R.I.P another Life Taken Early due to this Affliction to Humanity, may he Rest in Peace and may this Outbreak soon come to a End.

I hope everyone Stays Safe and Stay Strong

Dave

I think it's clear it is an that the SJ was/is an engineer.  The orginal Prometheus story had an engineer.  Before Damon got a hold of it.

It's possible that the neomorph can rapidly secrete a highly acidic form of 'saliva'. As BigDave mentions, David's wrist looks melted. You can clearly see a burn mark on his sleeve.

There was a lot of potential with the creature. I liked actually that it stood up in front of david and was mesmerized by him somehow. David not being a lifeform somehow causes it to see no threat or reason to attack it McDVOICE

This is a Interesting take by Artist Christian Urdapilleta

This is also Interesting by Mark Williams as far as Imagine that with a Snorkel/Mask, but its a little to GREY ALIEN looking though.  I think Different Eyes and Position then something like that could maybe Work?

I think the BEST revelation would have been a Bio-Mechanical Entity/Being like in that Last Image, which is what our Xenomorph is.

Well it kind of  Looked that way, as Walters Hand did look like it had Melted a Bit, but then its a Case of HOW did David replicate that (but the Crew maybe would not have paid a Great lot of Attention to his Wound).

However during the Shooting of the Neomorph by Oram we NEVER really saw any Evidence of Acid Blood.  Which is a bit ODD as the Hammerpedes had Acid Blood, and it was likely the Trilobite did too (as the Full Scene it would appear the Engineer obtained his Acid Burn from Biting the Trilobite but we DONT have that Full Shoot not even on Extras).

As David and Dr Shaw had taken the Juggernaught from another Complex, maybe this Complex has a Different Kind of Black Goo that does-not pass on the Acid Blood, but David was able to add this to his Final Specimen?

Looking at the ACID BLOOD and in reply to Nathan, then maybe the Chemical that is the Blood would React with the Air and so WHILE the Blood is inside the Organism it does-not have the Acid Properties but it does so ONCE the Blood leaves the Body?

But it is more Likely the Genetic Structure of the Xenomorph is NOT affected by the Acid.

im sure the neomorph does have acid for blood as we saw with walter shoving his hand inside the mouth of the neomorph that attacked him and his hand melted didnt it?

i might be wrong its been a while since i watched it.

When i First Saw the Space Jockey a few times it was LONG AGO in a Time prior to DVD and the Internet and indeed at this Time it came across like a Skeleton, but i was Young and we never had the Benefit of Larger/Clearer TV's.

It was only in the 90's that i came across a Magazine from a Friend with Close Ups and i am sure RS had said it was a Space Suit in the Magazine, when i looked at the Space Jockey Arms and Head (apart from the Face) it did look ODD for a Skeleton, this Magazine also had the HR Giger Concept which when i looked at that then it did-not look a Skeleton to me.

Once the DVD came out and i had Watched it on DVD about Year 2000, then i could PAUSE it and then the only Part that looked like a Skeleton to me was the Face, and Ribs to a Degree.   But at this time what i assumed the Space Jockey was is a BIO-MECHANICAL being like the Xenomorph was, like SIL from Species was etc.  So to me the Rib-cage was more like the Xenomorphs in that what we had was more of a Exo-Skeleton.

It was a FEW years latter via the Internet i came across and could STUDY in depth more work by HR Giger which included his Face Hugger Concepts and the Mural for ALIEN and then indeed i could see it could be a Space Suit but i felt it was VERY ODD that the Occupants were Humanoid.

So for me then YES i think the BEST way to Reveal it would be either some SPACE SUIT where the Occupant is NOT so Human, or even as i showed in my Posts where the SUIT has no HELMET but the Skull of a ALIEN being with some Breathing/Snorkel thats attached to the Face.

Or that it is some Bio-Mechanical Entity like the Xenomorph is and various HR Giger Work.

I think we may have to accept its a Engineer though, and i dont think so much Complaints would be made if the Engineers where 10-12ft Tall on Screen and the SUIT looked more like this ONE.

Maybe trying to make it look a bit more like HR Gigers Concept from the BANNER and Proportions as below.

You could put on a nice black suit and a fedora or a bowler hat, and speak in a monotone voice and ask people about aliens and UFOs, so you resemble a man in black. They resemble Engineers.

When I first watched Alien I got the notion that the Space Jockey was a species itself but after watching Prometheus I really didn't have a problem with it just being a space suit for the pilot.

For me the idea that its some sort of biomechanical suit that you get into to pilot a ship is just as interesting as it being a completely different alien race from the Engineers. I really don't mind it at all.

It could just be that the Derelict in Alien belonged to a different sect or race of engineers (think Romulan and Vulcan) who like engineering themselves further than what they are.

Then again, its quite possible that the Space Jockey in Alien could be David who liked messing about with the black goo and did something to himself and then build a ship that was big enough for himself.

What impressed me about the original Alien was that the alien was GENUINELY alien. Acid for blood, very rapid growth, etc. Giger seems particularly interested in bubble forms (rounded, as if pressurised from within) so for me, the problem of rapid growth is easily explained by the alien being mostly exoskeleton: I imagine a very low density fibrous structure inside. Did you ever see the movie Shin Godzilla? Could that be a very similar concept: not just a large lizard, but a radically different concept of life? In the case of Shin Godzilla the body seemed to be held together and moved by atomic energy – that is the force that not only stopped the being from collapsing under its weight, but could even burst out from the body, and rapidly reconfigure the physical shape. I was particularly interested in the very end where the humanoid creatures began to break from the tail, suggesting that the whole body was made from a web of fibres, filled with plasma and space, rather than solid bone or muscle. In Prometheus, the black goo worked so quickly that I wonder if something similar was going on. That is, is the life force best thought of as fibre and energy rather than solid blocks? It might use a host body, but only as a parasite uses a superstructure: once it has sufficient materials it becomes a shell with low density fibrous inside. Now low density does not have to mean weak or soft: it might be like drums of steel mesh inside: a drum of steel mesh is extremely strong even though most of it is air. Or it could be aerogel – filling the space with no gaps yet being almost as light as air.

Whatever the biology, if the blood is molecular acid then the body must be fundamentally different from the usual human form. Maybe the acid is only created by injuries – that is, two substances are kept apart, but if the skin is cut they mix and create the acid. Or maybe the body makes use of the acid through some very unusual reactions. Either way, a low density body seems possible. As far as I know the aliens require a host in order to grow, which suggests that the final form may be extremely unusual: otherwise, why not just grow on its own using regular food? But my guess is that creating the final alien form requires all the complexity of a regular body to feed it, much in the same way that an electronic brain requires a biological brain to create it, but once created it can link an entire planet and do things that a biological brain cannot even imagine.

Just thinking aloud!

The purpose of this Topic is to Voice how you feel about the Space Jockey and what kind of Hopes that people have for HOW they would like it to be Revealed.

Personally, I liked the idea of it being a fossilized creature that was also part of the chair. I think Dallas thought it was a fossil and that's where my imagination went. 

I would have just liked to see it as a fleshed out version of what Dallas found- basically like BD's pics with a trunk of some kind. 

No matter what anyone thinks, it also leads to the inevitable mystery of the chest burster, its burning into the floor etc...

  If drawing the required mass so rapidly from inside their host, Kane should have been feeling pain a lot earlier and an autopsy on Ledward should have shown more internal mass missing too.

would probably releases a form of pain killer while gestating before its born

I think both of these are good points. And lets not forget a couple other things. Kane, having been feeding a rapidly growing parasite should have looked even weaker than he appeared and should have had difficulty breathing far earlier from having his lung capacity diminished so much. 

Interestingly, as the buster grew, the host should have had more trouble supplying oxygenated blood as the creature grew because of its own growth. By the time it was ready to burst, Kane's entire cardiovascular system should have cut off all blood/oxygen to the brain and he should have just collapsed instead of thrashing around. Oh well- still gotta love that iconic scene!

When looking at what the Space Jockey would be if it was a Skeleton, well a Mummy of a Organism, then the Concepts (by Daryl Joyce) above as in 1/2 are Pretty Accurate and i would say that IF we looked at the Snorkel as being a Apparatus and so if we removed this from those Concepts then i think what those Designs by Daryl Joyce show is something that i could imagine a Space Jockey to look like if we assume the Head was a SKULL and not Helmet.

If we IGNORE the Snorkel/Hose then they do look a bit like some of the Fifield Concepts.  Particularly if we COMBINE the 5+6 Concepts then we get close, add some Trunk/Snorkel to a Combination of those TWO and i think you would NOT be too FAR off what Daryl Joyce had done.

So i like his Concepts/Fan Art, i think they could work if this kind of Design lacked the TRUNK and it was inside a Space Suit with a Mask/Trunk that attached the Suit to the Face of this Organism. Especially Image 1

I would add the Neomorph seems Superior to me as far as Procreation, if you could Genetically Engineer a Neomorph to gain some more Traits that would make it Tougher and Stronger i would see the Xenomorph as Inferior.

We dont see the Neomorph as having Acid Blood which is a Advantage for the Xenomorph.

Which i Forgot... i think its likely the Xenomorph when ready to Chest Burst may release some Acid to Weaken the Chest Wall to make for a Easier Chest Bursting.

Well they are Totally Alien and Made Up Organisms/Parasites so some Science goes out the Window.

I am not sure if there is any Material that Details the Chest Buster and its Process, i have not read the Weyland Yutani Report so i am not sure how much information is given in that Book.

The Chest Buster Embryo is something that gets Changed a bit in some Movies, such as Gestation Time etc, in ALIEN the X-ray seemed to show a Black Mass and not really any Embryo but this was at a Earlier Stage.  This kind of Fits in with Alien Covenant and the Neomorph Infection (Mass/Cloud of Tiny Parasites that then go on to Create the Embryo that Grows).

But from ALIENS on wards it seemed to be the Status Quo that some kind of Embryo was Implanted.  

The Franchise would seem to show that the Face Hugger would implant something, be it Embryo or a Tiny Parasites/Pathogen that would Form to a Embryo, the Face Hugger seemed to keep the Host Alive by Acting as some kind of External Lungs.

As the SEED if you would Gestates, we assume it is Obtaining some DNA from somewhere which it Encodes into its Genetic Make Up to take Traits from the Organism, but it also would have to take some Nutrients from the Host. It is likely the Embryo gains Nutrients from the Lining of the Lungs like a Normal Embryo would from the Endometrium of a Uterus, before at a Certain Stage (after the Face Hugger disconnects its Breathing Apparatus from Supplying the Bronchus) it can maybe Connect to the Blood Supply that goes to the Heart

I think it likely releases some Immune Suppressant too so that the Body does not Reject or Attack the developing Embryo as well as Enzymes or similar that effect the Nervous System so the Host can-not feel anything Growing inside.

Alien Covenant confuses things because of HOW QUICK the Gestation seemed and also with Lopes infection the Face Hugger was not required to be Attached in order to have any EFFECT on the Embryo.

The Neomorph seemed a WHOLE different Kettle of Fish we can only Speculate that the Nano Parasites either only Needed ONE to connect to a Blood/Nutrient Supply in a Host and Grow (Cell Multiply) from this (or inject its Payload that begins the Cell Production/Multiplication) or if the Parasites would Clump together and Join like Cell Multiplication. 

Again the Parasite being able to Take Nutrients to Grow and DNA at a Super Accelerated Pace.

Ha Ha Welcome aboard and maybe thats a Good Idea ;)

I would kinda be a Double if this was a Engineer ;)

Obviously this Engineer has Stolen the Green Crystal off the ALTAR and that Trilobite is trying to get it back ;)