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BigDave "PS I apologize for taking this OFF TOPIC." Do you have anything better to do till Alien day 2020?

To Continue with Procreation....

I felt in PART that AVPR and Alien Resurrection came up with something Different, its just the Execution was not Great.

The Pred-Alien gave us a Organism that Acted like a Face Hugger, which is Interesting, only i felt the Multiple Implantation of Embryos was a bit Over-Kill... but a Organism that would Implant One per Host is Interesting and offering a New Procreation Method.

The Hybrid-Queen  with its LIVE Birth again is a Interesting Concept, just the Execution was Flawed, especially the Look and Personality if you would of the New Born...   But if we saw a Hybrid Xenomorph that would be Free to Move around and would Give Birth to a Tiny Organism that breaks from its Placenta if you would... so in effect we see something like the Neomorphs Births but as far as Birthed from a New Kind of Queen/Mother Xenomorph, then i think that would be Interesting.

The Egg-Morph that was seen in ALIEN DC is something that would be Interesting to see and WHAT is the Result of a Successful Egg-Morph, i felt this could be a IDEAL way to get to the Queen, but then in Alien 3 (other cuts) we had the Royal Face Hugger and so i think it would be interesting if we got another ALIEN Movie to see WHAT is the Process of getting a Queen.

I think for me while i enjoyed the Xenomorph as we had it, i would like to see different Versions of it, i dont think the Franchise should be LIMITED to just the ONE main Xenomorph, especially if they Limit it to having a Queen be something that would MOLT from a Xenomorph and that the Warrior Xenomorphs are MOLTS of the Drones.  like how Cameron felt that the Clear Carapace of the Drone is something of its Juvenile Stage.

But then thats just me.... i would Welcome another 3 Alien Movies with Xenomorphs but i would hope that all 3 dont stick to the same Formula..... Humans Discover a Egg or Face Hugger, that was Laid by Queen.  

I would like to see the Beast Evolve and Adapt more, or see some Hybrid/Evolution come about via Experiments or something else that Goes-Wrong....  For example Blomkamps Alien 5 showed some Mutations and so i find that Interesting.... as to HOW.

PS I apologize for taking this OFF TOPIC.

Well the Franchise did attempt a LITTLE bit of Diversity and some Fans liked some of it, while others did-not.  For some Fans they prefer to keep things as they WAS and are not so Happy at Change.....   I think that a Change is Good as long as you do it Right, then a Bit of Change should be welcomed...  For some thats a Big NO NO.

Personally i am kind of with the same Stance that Ridley Scott had, in that i have seen the Xenomorph over and over, and i Felt it was interesting to see something Different, i would have Welcomed another ALIEN Movie say 2010 if it Steered away from Ripley and tried to offer something a Bit Different.  When the Prequels were Announced i was more looking Forwards to seeing the Space Jockey Race explored, than seeing the Xenomorph, although i was Expecting to see something related to the Xenomorph and more Clues to its Origins than we got.

For some Fans they saw the Xenomorph as the CENTER and the Space Jockey as only a Small Part, while for some they should Go Hand in Hand but this depends on the Connection/Origin of the Xenomorph that they was to reveal.

The Few ALIEN Franchise Fans i know (Personally) did-not like the Prequels especially Prometheus, they also never liked Alien 3 (especially as it killed off Newt and Hicks) and thought Alien Resurrection was a Abomination because of how LITTLE the Queen Featured...  Then these Guys kinda liked Alien Covenant and LOVED.... AVP! (not as much as ALIENS though). so give them Queens and Eggs and they Happy ;)

Thats not a knock to her Majesty it just does seem a LOT of Fans see the Franchise and the Queen go Hand in Hand, those Guys i know, even after the Prequels they see the Xenomorph as some ALIEN Organism that are LAID by Queens that the Space Jockey/Engineers had encountered and Attempted to take their Eggs to Study....   Which is really kind of what STARBEAST had showed.

So for me we have a Different Revelation that they are merely as David had done... and before Alien Covenant, then it was as David had done but only the Engineers had done so... or it was something that Evolved from Experiments.

So for me i think IF we continued to do more ALIEN movies then i would like to see them ELEVATE the Xenomorph to being more than a Egg Laying Species that act like Interstellar Ants.   Show them Evolve at the Intelligence Level beyond just Creating Hives to Store Hosts to Procreate via Egg Laying Queen.... and i mean Evolve not so much Aesthetically.   But have this Species Learn and Adapt, be that Naturally Evolve or they do so as a Hubris to some Species attempting to Engineer/Experiment on them.

But for them that would take them FAR away from their Natural Basic Instinct of Procreation.. Take away from a Species that does not have any Morals or Wants, Fears or Desires.... and so they only want to Procreate and the Horror is itself within that due to the Means this is Done.

I guess what some would say is the saying... "If its NOT Broken then WHY Fix it"

I'll be sure to see this, if only because I features one of my favourite actresses - Oksana Akinshina!

@dk, I don't mind subtitles at all. I'd much rather have them than some awful dubbing in English.

Doesn't look too bad, but I have zero interest dividing attention between what's onscreen and reading sub titles. 

Well, before Prometheus no one complained about the lack of diversity. Now, however, too.

So, what new procreation methods?

It should not look generic. It should look horrific, but not disgusting. It should look unique, but not stupid. There are a lot of fine lines, and there are not as many options as it might seem.

Besides, haven't we seen new procreation methods? Alien: Resurrection and AvPR already explored this. The result is enough to never again return to such experiments. xD

Certainly we have seen RS make some Contradicting comments so at times its HARD to try and Figure out what his Stance is, what does he Genuinely Feel, there are other Interviews where he used the Beast is Cooked Comment, and then also after Alien Covenant he came out with comments about being ahead of the Curve with Prometheus.

so it seems he is Very Proud of Prometheus, the Comment about Prometheus being a Mistake seems more so that it was a Mistake to not have the Xenomorph and more Indication to its Origins rather than Overall that Prometheus was a mistake.

It seems maybe Alien Covenant was a Mistake, i get the Impression that he had felt there was No Real Need to have had the Xenomorph.... but this seems only as FAR as that he wanted to go for something Different.

In reality it seems to be he keeps Falling Off the Fence to One Side then the Other... Indicating that a Sequel to Alien Covenant would NOT be about Xenomorphs... but then in other Interviews saying it has to be about HIM but you have to EVOLVE HIM and now that surely was in regards to the Xenomorph.

A latter Interviews he mentions the same thing, that you can go back to the Xenomorph but you have to Evolve it and look at other ways of Procreation....

Ridley Scott seems to be VERY proud of ALIEN, it seems that the way the Xenomorph was Evolved in the Sequels may not have been what he would have done/portrayed as (Queen) but he did say it made sense.

so as he had said before, it seems you can go another FEW rounds with the Xenomorph but it seems that he feels the way we have seen it so FAR has reached some Limits... and so you have to Evolve the Xenomorph to be more than something that can Produce a Queen, that can Lay Eggs, that Xenomorphs via a Infected Host then go around to Create a Hive for Eggs and Capture Hosts to use to Expand their Numbers.

So the Beast may have been Cooked to some Degree but there is always more than ONE way to Cook a Egg.  And while they Beast became a bit of a JOKE with say AVPR, i am sure a lot of Serious/Purest will NOT count the AVP Franchise Portrayal as Canon.

The Xenomorph has Life left in it, you just have to be Careful on how you use/overuse it.... for that its not down to the Fault of the Iconic Monster but the kind of Plot/Story and Execution of it.

Alien Covenant was Flawed in its Xenomorph in a Few Ways of Execution, somethings had to be Changed because the Movie had a LOT to try and cram into the Movie and so Quicker Gestation had to be Played Out....

So while some may look at Alien Covenant as not doing well EVEN THOUGH you got Xenomorphs, we have to remember the Xenomorph was not really done JUSTICE and that does not mean by Virtue of the David Creator Plot.

It was just added for the sake of it, like a Fan Service but then to become something to Raise Davids Role and Character within the Franchise.  While we did see it KILL a number of People.. it seemed to NOT get as much Screen Time as maybe it needed.

I think in Part a reason for why THEY had decided to NOT have the Xenomorph in Prometheus, and wanted to STEER AWAY is because you have a Juggling Act to make Movies that can give as much Justice to the Xenomorph (be about it) but also to be about other Things Too...

So it is like ONCE you show how the Xenomorph is Created, then your left with maybe showing the Chicken/Egg as far as HOW do you get a Queen...  And ONCE you have done those then its HOW can you use the Xenomorph in ways that have not already been seen?

So they had other Plans/Plots with the Prequels that a Emphasis on the Xenomorph could Distract from... which if you added the Xenomorph to it, then you have to FIND the Balance as your either going to Distract from other Things that have NOT been covered in the Franchise... or you will not Distract from them but then the Xenomorph is added in a way that is a Fan Service that does little to do it the Justice it deserves.

So by that then YES you can go more Rounds with the Xenomorph, provided its done Right... provided you cover something that expands the Creature beyond what we had seen in the Franchise.

With the ALIEN Franchise the Xenomorph was the Central Figure and it Worked... with AVP Movies and Alien Covenant then to a degree they was NOT the Central Figure.   You have to find the Balance, and if you are to go and give another 2-3 Xenomorph movies then IF you are going to just Explore them in ways that have already been done, then i think you will Eventually Run out of Ideas and it just becomes something that goes on a Killing Spree.

But some Fans dont have a Problem with that, everyone has their own Opinions.... but surely there is a Brick Wall you HIT if your going to have some Humans Discover, Come into Contact with EGGS.... and we see Xenomorphs Kill, or they go on and show us a Queen to Lay more Eggs.

If done right you could introduce them again for a Few Movies doing similar, Certainly if we discover HOW you get to a Queen.  Certainly if you explore other Procreation Methods..

After that... then its about Evolving the Xenomorph both Aesthetically to a Degree, but more so as far as its Agenda, and what it Can Achieve.... other than Acting like a Ant, Bee or Termite Colony would.

>>>I think that AC was a Massive Error!

Well, but Ridley said: "Prometheus was a mistake".

Also, when you "quote" Ridley: "I thought he (xeno) was definitely cooked, with an orange in his mouth". You forgot about his next words: "Wow, OK, I’m wrong".

Yes, Ridley admitted that he was wrong, believing that "the beast is cooked."

BigDave you could be right. Maybe the market research after Prometheus should just that the main problem was its lack of a clear place in the Alien universe or even the lack of the Xenomorph. Who knows what those said? But if done correctly they should be more relevant than vocal fans.

I've read recently that RS is a "Hollywood court artist" (a more nice way to put Yes-man)

hox RS himself said that he had the same budget but he managed to spend less by not shooting in 3d and by using his magic, and by ignoring and connections to Giger to ensure they don't have to pay royalties to the Estate. Yes it costed less, but the budget seems to be the same. Or maybe they lied.

Regarding RS!

I think he is NOT the Man in Charge, and he is a YES MAN..

He had LOST control of the ALIEN Sequels, its likely they had Evolved differently than he had wanted, he even had some ideas for how to END his ALIEN knocked by FOX.

So when it came to the Opportunity to work on a Prequel, he knew that NO-ONE had explained WHO the Space Jockey was or HOW the Xenomorph came to be and so he wanted to be a Part of that so he can have some INPUT and Control which he never got with the Sequels to ALIEN.

It appeared he was ok with Alien Engineers and the Plot, he Certainly liked how they expanded WHO the Space Jockey was and it was likely a Sequel would have explored the Engineers, and maybe Variants of Horrors and so to Steer Away from ALIEN having provided the Answers.

Some Folk at FOX had decided maybe you never had to show the Xenomorph and keep some Mystery and again RS seemed to think that was a Good Move... was he really Happy at removing the Xenomorph, was he really only saying he was pleased with Alien Engineers because if he Rejected he Feared he could be replaced?

So When/How that change was made around 2015 to go and make a Literal Set of Prequels to ALIEN and introduce the Xenomorph.... i think RS was more a YES man as he would Worry that if he said NO FOX!  i am NOT gonna bring the Xenomorph back or go to the Derelict again... i want to go to explore THE ENGINEERS and Davids Arc.

If FOX wanted Xenomorphs and Origins and RS rejected they could just replace him and ONCE again he would loose any INPUT on how the Prequels would Evolve... so he would rather say YES and then try and have as much Input as he can..  I would say that he STOOD by the David Arc as something he was Very Interested in making a Important Part to any Sequel.

The above is how is see it.... that does-not mean this is Exactly how it went down though...

I would Assume that if we go a Prometheus 2 instead, then during the next Few Movies, so Prometheus 2 but Certainly Prometheus 3 then we would have seen David go and Create something that we would have seen a Similarity to the Xenomorph with.

But as this Path was closed it seems that Someone, maybe RS had become a Advocate of the David as a eventual Creator/God in his Own Right Arc to now play its Role connected to the Xenomorph from Alien as opposed to something Similar but NOT connected.

@IgnorantGuy, the budget for AC was $30m less than that of Prometheus.

You can tell. $30m goes a long way.

"BigDave Sorry about my previous comment I might have been too harsh."

Not to Worry, i never thought it was Harsh at all ;)

Certainly some Scenes could have been CUT to make way for others... Kung Fu David ha ha.. love it.  I was kind of thinking WHAT if a Predator Turned up after Walter was First Taken Out?    Maybe THIS?

"I don’t want to seem rude, I just want to show all the absurdity of your logic"

Who knows... thats why i had Suggested that it seemed in part that RS was not a Fan of the Xenomorph anymore, but then he Contradicts himself.

The Article in the OT seems to indicate maybe Alien Covenant was kind of a Sabotage in Reaction to Fans not wanting to see a Prometheus 2.

It is NOT me, as far as my Opinion, but i was just looking at some of the Comments by RS that they (those who have the SAY in the Franchise) seemed to think that Fans wanted the Xenomorph and Answers...

Prometheus had other complaints beyond the Xenomorph well lack of, and Certainly there was more Flaws, and by adding the Xenomorph alone would not have been the Answer, we have the Xenomorph in AC and it is Bugged by other Problems....   RS seemed to indicate about being ahead of the Curve that maybe AC proved you can add the Xenomorph and its NEVER saved the Movie.

Well the reasons for AC not being so good is NOT down to the Xenomorph ;)

I dont Hate the Xenomorph i think that it has been Shown a lot in Comics, Games and Movies that i think to make another 2-3 Movies that center around it would be HARD to do, because you can END UP doing Damage to the Reputation of the Iconic Beast...  we see the same effect with the Countless Jaws Sequels and Knock Offs..... Giant Killer Sharks just became Meh!

As in the other Topic... i gave 3 Options to how you look at the Origins... depending on the Revelation of its Origins, has a Impact on the Xenomorph.   It seemed the idea was they are merely a Created Bio-Weapon... which Limits the Xenomorph a bit.

So i fully understood WHY it was that RS felt the Need to Explore the Space Jockey with the Engineer/Humanity Plot

As YES once you gave the Origins to the Xenomorph and the Derelict Event, its a case of what Next? Especially when the Revelations are the Xenomorph is merely something that was Created to Destroy for the Purpose of getting Rid of Pesky Humanoids.

I think that AC was a Massive Error!

I think that reducing the Answers to the Xenomorph in Prometheus and not having a Substitute was a Error.

In Hindsight maybe NOT being Alieny enough was a Problem for Prometheus, only as FAR as Fans would have expected that Prometheus would have eventually given us a Path to the Xenomorph.  The First Movie needed some more Clarity to the Xenomorph and to introduce something similar, even as far as a Neomorph which is similar.   Then they could have Closed the Door to ALIEN and gone and Explored the Journey Dr Shaw goes on for Answers from our Would be Creators... which i think eventually you would have to Introduce some Horrors that have some Degree of Relation to the Black Goo.

But we got Alien Covenant... which seemed to Brush Dr Shaw and the Engineers under the Carpet in Favor more so about showing the Pitfalls of Sub-Creation/Rebellion through the Eyes of David.  The Xenomorph being some kind of Fan-Service... and a Big F-U ha ha how you feel now my King David is the Creator!   As far as WHO was the One who Rubber Stamped this Plot Twist.

so it Never Felt like a Origins Story, as far as a Emphasis on the Xenomorph, it seemed it was just OK i am Bored, lets Evolve this Neomorph to make a Killing Machine because "The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings"

Alien Covenant did-not need a Xenomorph... it should have had the Eggs and ONE person infected with something that was Slightly Different that gets on the Ship...  you have David reveal that he Discovered the Engineers had Discovered a Organism and attempted Various Hybrids of this, they had Settled and Perfected it but could NOT control this Perfection so it was left Stranded on a Near by Moon, where they went back to the Drawing Board and again became Foul to their Experiments.

Then Reveal that David saw Great Potential in ONE of their Creations they abandoned, and that he had Reverse Engineered his OWN more Perfect Version of it that he thinks he can Control.

So you have a Face Hugger thats a little Different, then the Money Shot is something like the image above, and then by Virtue of Clues to HOW it was that David created that, you could then know the Engineers used a similar path to Create the Xenomorph on LV-426

To Continue the with a Sequel... you would unleash more of these Horrors, the Engineers Rock Up... Destroy all on where ever David takes his Experiments, they Destroy LV-223 so that NO-ONE can obtain these Horrors...

But you then have to have these Engineers Fail to Eradicate the Derelict on LV-426..... The Company then wants to go to LV-426 because they know they can use those Eggs as a Basis to try and Perfect the Organism as David had done so.

This is where/when Special Order 937 comes into Play and the Rest is History...

"The truth is that AC is a film that Prometheus supposed to be. With Engineer instead of David of course."

I will agree that LV-223 was what David was doing on Planet 4 but they made it too ambiguous.  And so indeed that Ambiguity they decided to Explain but now through the Hands of David and NOT the Engineers.

It was the Engineers doing similar Thousands of Years ago, just it was not so Obvious to many... Ridley Scott at that Time even Explained the Xenomorph as such.. another Experiment that had Got out of Control and Evolved...

It was a mistake to then U-Turn that to David being the Creator... having him go onto Create his Own Variant that was more Different than the AC Xenomorph would have Fitted the Theme better and NOT done Damage to the Original.

I dont think every Fan wanted Xenomorphs.... they wanted more Clues to their Origins but would have been Satisfied (for most part) at something that was Similar...

as with Prometheus all we had was a Space Cobra, a Toxic Avenger Fifield....  the Closest we got to ALIEN was the Trilobite and Deacon.   Which in effect would have been like ALIEN coming to a End after Kane had gave Birth to his Son!

Hammerpede planting a Seed in Milburn that then produced a Brutal Birth and Organism like the Neomorph that then Killed 2-3 People... and a Fifield that was FAR more Xenomorph Hybrid would have given more of a Alieny Fix.

Alien Covenant with more about the Neomorph and then ONLY seeing ONE infected person with a Face Hugger get to the Covenant and Chest Burst something that is more Xenomorph than a Neomorph and Deacon but still NOT a Traditional Xenomorph is also something that should have been done..

But Alas.

In Closing..... i would want to see another Xenomorph Movie, but one that does-not have to be about Ripley, and one where we can see the Xenomorph Evolve somewhat, be that Naturally or as a Result of attempted Experiments.

BigDave I've only wanted to help people on putting a curse on the right guy. But this is the wrong thread...

ignorantGuy

You miss the point. I mentioned parodies and irrational characters as reasons for criticizing Prometheus, instead of some lack of xenomorph.

"BigDave Damon Lindelof ...."

Opps Spelling Police ;) my Bad... i do make some Typos!

Guilty as Charged ;)

I will further add that indeed if you take the Franchise and Explore what is Essentially a Tale of Humanity Faced with Horrors that they should not be trying to obtain... and Strip Away the Engineers, the Weyland-Yutani Company, Androids, Colonial Marines and Xenomorphs..   Then YES you just get a Normal Sci-Fi Franchise.

But each of these could be Expanded in a Spin Off, Certainly as far as a Comic, Novel or TV Series... not so much a Movie.

The Problem is that NOT everyone would know what these are about... if you had a TV Series called the Colonial Marines then not everyone would know what its about, until they research WHO these Marines are, those who would recognize the Colonial Marines would then be maybe asking.... so when do we see Xenomorphs?

To make a Spin Off more Marketable then you apply the ALIEN Prefix but by doing so then Expectations are that it would have to be about the Xenomorphs.

What RS had intended was to see HOW you can expand beyond the Xenomorphs... Especially as FAR as they are shown for the Most Part in the Franchise after ALIEN, which includes AVP, the Comics, Games.

so we have EGGS... from these Eggs we must get to a Queen, and these can LAY more Eggs... our Xenomorphs go around building Hives to again House more Queens and Eggs... what you have is like Ants/Bees.

Some Fans could love to see that over and over and over and over..... But its a case of that can become STALE... and Repetitive..

So you then have to look at HOW do you expand that... which is the 3 OPTION in my earlier Topic.  If you wish to Continue with Xenomorphs you have to Elevate them beyond Space Bugs...  this has to be done in 3 Ways.

1) A History of the Xenomorph/Origin where they are more than Space Ants, where they are NOT a Creation of Humanoid Engineers or a Mad Robot to be used to Destroy Humanity.

2) Have them as a Creation, but ONE that Rapidly Evolves, not only Psychically/Aesthetically but Culturally so they Evolve to have Wants/Needs beyond just Natural Desire of Procreation... so looking at ways they can PLAN on Domination rather than have to rely on being able to Spread via the Curiosity and Folly of its Hosts.

3) Have Humans gain the Xenomorph and Experiment on it, try and Obtain from it and Evolve it, and from this they cause a Evolution or Hybrids that then become a HUBRIS to the Humans who thought they could Exploit the Xenomorph and its Traits.

Because just going by Hives, Eggs and Queens then the only way these Beasts get off a World is by either Unsuspecting Visitors, or the Curiosity of such Visitors or the Agenda of such Visitors to a Hive World to try and Obtain and Exploit the Xenomorph.

Ridely Scott just seemed to feel we had seen such Beasts do their thing over and over, and he felt that Exploring WHO/WHY and WHEN as far as HOW these Beasts where Created was more Important.

BigDave Damon Lindelof ....

Well Respectfully i can see that some do see that the ALIEN Franchise has to be about Mainly the XENOMORPH....

I however disagree with some interpretations about the Direction that Prometheus was taking, ULTIMATELY you would have to go and ask Ridley Scott and Damien Lindeloff about what they had intended. But it Certainly did NOT seem they was going to be making the Xenomorph the CENTER of the Expanded Franchise.

So with Prometheus they was trying to offer a Expansion to the Franchise a Spin-Off that is SET in the same Universe, that is NOT a entire NEW Franchise but one that would not Revolve around the Xenomorph, because the NUTSHELL is the Xenomorph was merely some Horrid Creation that was the Result of the Experiments and Work the Engineers had began on LV-223.

Prior to the Xenomorph.... the Engineers Existed, for Millions of Years, Seeding Worlds, Potentially Many Worlds, Inter-Galactic not just Interstellar  prior to the Xenomorph we had Humanity, and how many versions of Humanity had the Engineers Seeded in the Universe?

These BIG Plot ideas that they wanted to Expand upon and Steer Away from our Snarling, Chest Busting Fiend.... so that they can take us to a Spin Off that maybe it would in Time had given Clues about the Xenomorph, or maybe NOT...

Creation, Sub-Creation, Knowledge, Evolution and Rebellion... these were the Themes that Ridley Scott had tried to Expand upon, as he felt you had reached what you could achieve with the Xenomorph and so something NEW was needed..... 

If the Xenomorph was to the Space Jockey merely what GUNPOWDER was to Humanity, then there is much more behind Gunpowder to Humanity, it becomes more about the Intentions and Thinking behind those who Fashion this Gunpowder into Horrific Forms of Defense/Offense...   

With the Engineers it was the Black Goo as opposed to Black Powder.

I know thats something that some Massive Xenomorph Fans would be Disappointed about... it was to TRY and explore the Space Jockey/Engineers more, and their Agenda/Thinking beyond just being Obsessed with Creating Queens and Eggs, this was ONLY a part of their History.

But things do change a bit.... it appears that a Change of Direction was issued with having to CAVE-IN and make Prometheus lean towards Alien Covenant and Set-Up the Xenomorph Origins... something that is more discussed in THIS TOPIC

So when i say they was trying to Expand the Franchise beyond the Xenomorph this is what Alien Engineers also had done, but then they decided that the Engineers/Humanity and Creation Plot did-not need to include Xenomorphs into the Equation...

so it was going to offer a way to Expand the Space Jockey Plot beyond Purely Carrying those Eggs.

Alien Engineers has Flaws... the Time Period was a Error, but if they FIXED that and Alien Engineers was the Movie we got then their are Still some Conflicting Things that DONT add up with ALIEN well certainly would raise some Questions...

Alien Engineers introduced the Themes of Prometheus, but it also was Very ALIENY Orientated but it appeared that the Basis is the Same as Prometheus only it chose to SHOW those Horrific Experiments and the Xenomorph from the Franchise was but just ONE Variant of the Experiments the Engineers had Concocted on LV-426 (where that Draft was set), it seemed that these Horrors where Creations from using their Seeding/Evolution Tool on some Organism they had Encountered to Create Variations of it.

The Ending of Alien Engineers before the Very Last Part we have Dr Watts finally after overcoming the Ordeal... we have David inform her that he has some kind of Arrangement he would like to make if she can REPAIR him.

This in Part Sets up a Sequel that you could Assume would Continue with David and Dr Watts, does she wait out for a Human Rescue Ship? or as David Warns could it be Hostile Engineers who return?

We had to look BEYOND our Bio-Mechanical Fiend, as Alien Engineers/Genesis had invested a lot into the Engineers Plot, its their Plot that Drove Dr Watts and Holloway to LV-426, in Search of our CREATORS...  and so i could not see them Abandon this Explanation in Favor of having a Sequel be about LV-426 prior to ALIEN or to even NOT make a Sequel so that Alien Engineers ===> moves to ALIEN.

==== Alien Engineers/Genesis Page 82/80===

Watts stares at the Orrery in amazement. Somewhere among those heavenly spheres is Earth. Somewhere perhaps the homeworld of the Engineers themselves

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So it would have been Highly Likely that a Sequel would have gone on the Journey of Dr Watts having to put David back together and Continue the Search for our Creators and Answers.... leaving the Hell that LV-426 was which was a Outpost these Engineers had been Concocting Experiments to Create Horrors they could USE to Destroy Worlds.

In the Context to the Engineers Plot, again the Xenomorph was merely ONE kind of Weapon Created on that WORLD. It would be likely the Engineers Home-world would NOT be a Place they would STORE these Horrid Weapons.

I understand such a way to Expand beyond the Xenomorph does-not settle well with some, as they think the that the Xenomorph should be a BIGGER part of the Engineers, when as it stands now.... the Xenomorph is more Important to David than it appears it was to the Engineers overall Agenda and History for the Engineers it was a Weapon to use to Destroy... for David it is his Pride and Joy!

Leto Do you understand that Ridley's main backer at Fox during the making of Prometheus was the CEO Tom Rothman. But he was gone in September of 2012. The new leadership did not want to continue on the same path and imposed changes upon RS. Like the in 2014 there were articles that 14 scripts for Prometheus were refused, Rapace was removed, the composer Marc Streitenfeld who collaborated with RS on 5 movies was also removed. Then there was also Alien 5.

To cut the long story short nobody said that RS sabotage his movie, but that he is spiteful of the situation and the movie shows. He choose to still do it because he received the same budget as Prometheus and still be at the helm of the Franchise. And he seems to be pretty content with David, with whom he identifies.

What those hundreds of parodies did not get and complain about irrational characters, is that every character displays hubris in his own way, they think they know better but they don't. People seem to not accept that not every story is a power fantasy, characters can be parodies of attitudes. But probably audiences cannot see or are not comfortable with their own potential for screwing up major time in such situation.

>>>Could the Failure of a movie with Xenomorphs be used by RS to go and say "see if gave you ALIENS and this Movie STILL did-not do as well as Prometheus" he had said plans for a AC sequel would NOT be about the Xenomorph.

So, RS intentionally sabotaged Alien: Covenant? Because he was offended by the reaction to Prometheus? Or because he was forced to add xenomorphs to the story?

Wow, just WOW! This is what I call - REVELATION!

And I like (every time) how you attack the poor xenomorph and blame for everything. Of course, the fans too - the angry Alien fans wants to rip and tear, because Prometheus didn't have Alien. But tactfully and deftly avoiding the main reason - irrational characters.

Of course, neither you, nor RS, nor FOX didn't see and didn't hear thousands parodies only about the behavior of the characters. It's all xeno and alien fans who want Ripley and Queen.

I don’t want to seem rude, I just want to show all the absurdity of your logic.

And, if Ridley wanted to explore Engineers, why does he avoid them throughout the film?

The truth is that AC is a film that Prometheus supposed to be. With Engineer instead of David of course.

>>>Ultimately this was the Intention with Prometheus

No, it is not.

>>>it was to be more about WHO the Space Jockey are, and then show they had Experimented with Horrid

The creation of new franchises doesn't work like that.

As you probably know - you can't take the money allocated to you for franchise X and then invent franchise Z.

Alien: Engineers was a direct prequel. Prometheus is just not a direct prequel. But still a part of Universe. One of the prequels. That was an intention. Not creating a separate franchise.

Yes, Prometheus took a new direction, but new direction =/= new franchise.

And if we suppose (just suppose!) that Prometheus was a new franchise, then why was Ridley so alarmed about Alien 5 from Blomkamp? These are different franchises, different universes, they are not competitors among themselves. Ridley could have quietly developed his own Prometheus franchise, because it's ... well ... another franchise. Why worry about Alien franchise? Why not worry about Predator or Terminator franchises?

And - you can't take the content of original films, insert it into the new story and miraculously create a new franchise.

If you want to create a new franchise, you should leave not only xenomorphs, you also should leave WY, Space Jockey's aesthetic, C/U alien ships.

But if it were so, then I doubt that this forum and all of us would have gathered here. ;) It would be a regular film like Interstellar or Annihilation.

Sorry for being out-of-touch, life has a way of making our mortal plans nothing but excercises in sheer folly.

The Sequel is coming along, slowly as I'm trying to keep it congruent to what's actually going on in the ALIEN Franchise.

However, they're taking forever, and I'm not sure anyone really know what direction they're going in.

That said, I will be doing the sequel congruent and relative to established Canon and Continuity. That's how I did ALIEN: Manticore and it worked out pretty well it seems from the positive responses. :D

The BIG issue is my faithful workhorse for 15 years--my laptop--finally reached the end of it's life, so I need to replace it and get a recovery service to pull everything off it's drive...as in there is where the sequel is. I have backups, but the workhorse dies just before a planned update.

SO, the sequel is going ahead--even if I have to restart it from scratch.
It might not match up to whatever happens in the Franchise, but it will match-up to what has been established.

It will cover what I have come up with regarding the origins of The Alien--maybe--but it will definitely demonstrate the difference between David's critters vs The Big Chap itself. ;)

Thank-You VERY much for your interest in my work, I really needed that little boost right now!! To you all, I wish you and your loved ones good health and good days!!

M. Blackwinter

BigDave Sorry about my previous comment I might have been too harsh.

Be eliminating Daniels you could have gain time by not showing her morning the lost of her bf/husband on the Covenant (as Shaw did that already). You could have reduce the number of neomorph infections to one. You could have removed the robot Kung-fu. You could have removed the last part on the Covenant almost completely. There were ways to makes bring back Shaw, very easily IMHO. But their objective was clearly to distance themselves from Prometheus, and willingly say a FU to those who like the movie for other reasons than David. 

@BigDave: If it was a neo/xeno that burst from that Space Jockey's chest, I hate to think how large it was.  That, and where the heck was it when the crew of the Nostromo arrived?

I think IsraelSchmidt you make a Good Point that i have mentioned a few times prior. But none the less i have to also agree with Nathan, that our Space Jockey Certainly was a Legitimate 12-15ft Entity.

I did this Image a while ago, that shows what the Prometheus Engineers are like compared to the Space Jockey that is in the Chair on LV-426

Certainly at Inception of the Prequels our Engineers were intended to be 12-15ft Tall.

I will add that the ALIEN Franchise could Branch off to Different things that are NOT nothing to do with the Xenomorph, but such Ventures would NOT be best to be a Movie, and maybe should not CARRY the ALIEN Prefix because indeed this is Synonymous with and Expected to be about the XENOMORPH.

I Personally think there is other ways they could/should have Weaved the Xenomorph Purpose into something more HP Lovecraft.

" if you really want to move away from the xenomorph, then why not create a separate franchise?"

Ultimately this was the Intention with Prometheus it was to be more about WHO the Space Jockey are, and then show they had Experimented with Horrid stuff as a Weapon to use on Worlds they wanted to Eradicate, with Vague Clues to HELP us see that the Xenomorph was also a Result of the Evils those Engineers had been up to on LV-223..

But it was just NOT as Spoon Fed and it lacked any real Monsters that connected to the Xenomorph. Some Fans felt what they would be Getting was a Movie that would Connect to the Xenomorph and Derelict, when in reality it was about WHO the Space Jockey are.

Absolutely the Original Franchise had Centered around the Xenomorph, you did-not need to have Ripley involved in every Movie, as far as more Movies to Follow, you never had to always have it be about the Weyland Yutani Company either.

The Problem with the Xenomorph is deciding on its ORIGINS not so much as far as to SHOW them, but that those working on the Movies know what those Origins are..

For Example.

1) Was the Xenomorph a Natural Organism or has some Unknown Origins but was merely Discovered by the Engineers/Space Jockey!

In this case you then have to ask is there more to it than just Queen lays Eggs, Face Huggers pop out, a Host is Infected and we get Chest Busters and Xenomorphs!  How many times can you keep repeating that?  You would have to at some point go to the PLANET where these Organisms where First Discovered or to a PLANET that has been Completely Overran by them.... but then surely you have to EXPAND on them more than it just being Hadleys Hope Infestation on a Larger Scale.

2) Was the Xenomorph a Engineered Experiment/Weapon kind of from Scratch?

In this case eventually the Queen/Egg/Xenomorph would run its course, before you would have to then look at WHO/WHY/WHEN and HOW was the Xenomorph Created and then move onto those who Created it and what Agenda, maybe then Exploring more about the Creators.

3) Was the Xenomorph a Experiment that had Originated from Experimenting/Discovery of some other Organism?

This would kind of Combine 1+2, where once you have seen the Xenomorph and HOW it came to be, you explore either  or both of WHO had Experimented on some other Organism to then Create the Xenomorph, and/or what this Original Organism was.

A lot of Fans do have a Passion for the Xenomorph, but it really can become Repetitive unless you go for OPTION 1 because and i dont mean to Cause Offense by this... what you are in effect having is a Space Bug, a Cosmic Cockroach....  ok a more Intelligent kind but still some kind of Parasitic Bug.

Because thats what we really have.... a somewhat Intelligent, Deadly Invasive Species, like some kind of Bi-Pedal kind of Intelligent Parasitic Ants.  By their Nature not so much Aesthetically.

so you have to come up with looking at is there more to this Organism, or can they Evolve to something more?  Or Explore what Creature/Organism they had been Engineered from or their Creators and their Agenda/History and Culture.

For many i think the Space Jockey Revelation and Xenomorph as a Bi-Product of a Biological Pathogen are JUST not as ALIEN as Fans would have expected before the Prequels had began.

Regarding the Pickle that was the 2nd Prequel...

It simply was a MISTAKE in trying to give the Xenomorph and a Direct Prequel, while trying to Carry some of Prometheus with it!

In Hindsight a 2nd Mission to LV-223 could have given the Fans more of a ALIEN ENGINEERS with more Clues/Answers and the Xenomorph or very close with clues to indicate HOW/WHERE/WHEN the Xenomorph came to be.

And then after THIS we could have seen Ridley Scott go with his Prometheus 2 and Steer Away from ALIEN.

Before i continue i will add that the Process of a Prometheus 2 alone was Tricky, they was having a HARD time to come up with a Prometheus 2.... before after 2014 a Change in Direction somewhat lead to what was the Work that Dante Harper had begun that Evolved to Alien Covenant.

By deciding to give us HOW/WHEN/WHY the Xenomorph Origins had begun, and having this Story take place on Planet 4 with Davids Experiments over 10 years, then Needing some more Humans to Arrive to that Planet meant they had to Devise a Plot for HOW any Humans would Arrive at this Place where David had been Stranded.

If we look at AC, if we was to add more Scenes about the Engineers, have Dr Shaw alive, even as Flash Backs never mind she gets Rescued or Rescues the Covenant Crew, then these would ADD to the Theatrical Run Time.... so some Sacrifices had to be made...

Its a Shame as on ONE hand i would imagine those who liked Prometheus would have wanted to see more about the Engineers and Dr Shaw, rather than be Centered around David, i think those who wanted the Xenomorph and Origins again would NOT have wanted to see it Created and Centered around David likewise.

So its a Pickle... but indeed it could have been a BIG F-U to those who RS and Few others in Charge felt had OBJECTED to a Prometheus 2....  so in effect a they want £"$"£% Xenmorphs we will give them some... and then they would be saying... you see sometimes its not best to GET what you ask for.... and pull the NOW maybe you see somethings are best left a Mystery...

The SAD thing is they could have given more about the Engineers, and Dr Shaw and still have incoming Humans.. and give few Clues to the Xenomorph but still keep the David Creator Arc... via him Acknowledging the Xenomorph in the Past and announcing he was CREATING something that Surpasses it... and give us something that was more like the Ultramorph...

Thus keeping some Mystery with the Xenomorph, and keeping its Creation and Origins as Ancient and Certainly NOT by David but ALAS...

@ignorantGuy

The Prequels had gone through some Changes and i will agree that the Purpose of the Prequels was that as Ridley Scott had said, No One ever Answered who was the Big Guy in the Chair and WHY that Cargo.  They came up with the Engineers as the Space Jockey and then reached a point where they Actually Felt that you have seen the Xenomorph over and over, and while YES the Xenomorph was the ALIEN, like other Franchises, Once you Start to show that Beast/Bad Guy over and over it can become Repetitive and do Damage to Reputation of the Beast/Bad Guys Original Few Appearances, this applies to the likes of Freddy Freddy Krueger, Michael Myers, Jason Voorhees and you could say JAWS too etc.

As they had decided that the Xenomorph was just a Engineered Biological Warfare, they had decided that maybe you dont need the Xenomorph, you can leave ALIEN having a Mystery and Explore the Space Jockey/Engineers as something NEW where you would have a SEPARATE kind of Franchise where its connected to ALIEN by Virtue of the Xenomorph being a Biological Weapon that had arisen from the Experiments etc on LV-223.

This was somewhat a ERROR on their Part... they should have made more of a Xenomorph Connection/Answers and had more of a Monster that was similar so they could CLOSE the Door to ALIEN and then go off with the Engineers to Explore a Spin Off...  But ALAS...

I Certainly can see the Potential in the Big F-U....  because we did see RS say "if they want Aliens i will give them $"£%£$ Aliens" and he had mentioned he felt the Beast was Cooked.   To me this seemed that RS was not a Massive Fan of going back to the Xenomorph as he maybe Felt there was NOT a lot you can continue with apart from giving the Origins and HOW/WHEN/WHY those Eggs got onto the Derelict.  It seemed he was Frustrated that he could not have Continued with a Prometheus 2 that would STEER AWAY from ALIEN.

He had mentioned that he Felt the Fans wanted those Answers and wanted the Xenomorph... and so it seems he went with the U-Turn to give us a Direct Prequel Series... but his Comments such as they want £!"$£"% Aliens does seem he felt this was NOT what he wanted.... so indeed the David as the Creator could have been the Ultimate F-U to the Fans... well those he felt wanted to see Xenomorphs, and he maybe Blamed this on him not being allowed to go with his Prometheus 2 ideas..

Could the Failure of a movie with Xenomorphs be used by RS to go and say "see if gave you ALIENS and this Movie STILL did-not do as well as Prometheus" he had said plans for a AC sequel would NOT be about the Xenomorph.

A Frustrating thing about RS is he has a Habit of Contradicting himself.....  even over a Period of Months... so we had... the Beast is Cooked, he was Ahead of the Curve with Prometheus.... to it has to be about HIM (we can assume the ALIEN/Xenomorph) but you have to Evolve Him, and then also to mentioning about its about the ALIEN and you have to Evolve it and look at other ways of Procreation.  (i agree with that as its a case of how many times can you make Movie about Queen => Egg => Xenomorph?).

So we do get some Conflicting Comments by RS, i think overall he saw more Scope with Expanding the Franchise beyond our Queen and Eggs.

But Certainly this is WHAT the Franchise was best known for... it was what is more Marketable i think the PROBLEM came from RS wanting to Explore the other Themes and Plot about Prometheus, Creation and Engineers than to go back to what in effect was just some Horrid Organism that had came from Experiments on LV-223.

But a lot of Fans see Prometheus as being a ALIEN movie and so would expect that it HAS to connect to the Xenomorphs... when it seems the Plan they had was to have it become a SPIN-OFF where Prometheus was the Connecting Tissue to ALIEN.

The Problem being that it was NOT enough of a Connection to then Close the Door to ALIEN... and Explore something else without the Shackles of the Franchise.

Good idea! I'd find that way more interesting than a movie featuring boring old humans. Money won't let that happen, though.

@BigDave "I can explain the Pit Falls in another Post." Sorry, but please don't. You usually write much but you repeat yourself so much that another repeat would not be necessary.

I find really hard to believe that the studios not wanted to have Xenos in Prometheus for quite a bunch of reasons:

1. Ridley himself said he would return to the franchise to explore the space jockey as that was not explored (going back to the 2000s). He was saying the beast is cooked till 2014 at least. Have you even read the article? Their argument is that AC a big FU to those who said that Prometheus is too "idiosyncratic".

2. The studios would have marketted Xeno merch much more easily that anything in Prometheus.

3. Lindelof was brought in by Ridley himself probably to expand the mysterious atmosphere.

Shaw did not need to die, as she could have functioned easily enough as Daniels and would have a more complicated history with David. And guess what Carlos Huante said she was still alive in the early drafts, hiding on the planet. They could have toned down the religious aspect if people complain about that. But she was killed off at the request of the new studio honchos, replaced with some that looks more like Ripley. Probably that she was cast also in the Harry Potter prequels helped a lot, as recognition for teenagers.

In other language - I consider it an absolute necessity: to reduce the aspect of the corporation to an absolute minimum.

Remove conspiracy, remove corporation agents. Put a new world, put a true scientists, put the xeno, put the true Engineers (Prometheus without doubts), put another life forms, put alien technologies, make AvE - Alien vs Engineer.

One question, the real question that needs to be asked - if you really want to move away from the xenomorph, then why not create a separate franchise? Why waste time, money and the potential of new stories about Aliens on films about cheap humanoids and other faceless monsters? Why use the noble Alien Universe as a cat tray for dubious ideas?

Especially if such a film can cancel the real story about Alien.

But there is still WY, right? WY is a part of Alien Universe and it’s possible to create a whole bunch of movies about WY, right? No. WY is not a core of franchise. The core is *cough... cough...* - xenomorph.

Like Thoughts_Dreams not interested in other films about AI. I can say the same about WY. Moreover - it's even worse! WY - surprise-surprise xeno-haters - will not give you wonderful new worlds! All you get is a bureaucracy, intrigue and boring actions between people, which you will see in any other films. No xenomorphs, no engineers, no deep questions, no philosophy. And no box-office. No another Alien films. Congratulations - you got your film with original content!

@IsraelSchmidt: The problem is that the Space Jockey on LV-426 that Dallas and Kane found fossilised wasn't drawn or depicted, it was approximately 7ft taller than the 8ft Engineers we saw in Prometheus, and it seemed more equivalent to the "Kings" shown in Elizabeth Shaw's notebook, especially the second page depicting the Ptolemaic period (i.e. 100 B.C.).

Regarding Ridley Scott....

I think he is one of the Best Directors well a Very Well known one, does that mean he is Great?  Nope, he has made some Great Movies and some NOT so Great Movies but then thats the same with Most Directors.

Kubrick is a bit different he released less, but he had spent more time on the Story... (from Concept to Completion)

Ridley Scott is mainly a Ideas Man... he then works with a Team to Flesh them into a Story, and then he will Tinker with that Story.  Ridley Scott is Very Efficient, he often allows Actors a lot of Freedom with the Character, he Gives Pointers, but he will allow them to do things for themselves and then Re-shoot if he is not pleased.

He is Very Practical and likes to have SETS and Props that allow the Actors to get more a Sense of the Scene and NOT rely on imagination... this can have its Drawbacks.. (Cost/Build Time).  But he is Very Efficient in the Directors Chair, with how many Cameras and Shots...

His Greatest Asset is Once the Sets/Props/Costumes are all Ready, he can go in and SHOOT a Movie very Quick compared to Many.   Sometimes this has some Pitfalls though and Errors/Oversights.

I think its Important to Remember the Prequels where always like a Work in Progress, things Evolved and Changed..

It seemed that prior to Jon Spaights we was going to get another Movie that would have been about Humans Discovering Eggs and being Basically another ALIENS.

We then got to having a Plot about the Engineers, as it would give us something to relate to, rather than Discovering some ALIEN Race who would NOT be able to Communicate with Mankind, and so its then HOW do we get Humans to go to a Place where the Creator/Origins of the Xenomorph are if this Species are Totally ALIEN and then where do you go from that if you want a Sequel....

So the Engineers Plot came into play, which is a Interesting Bold Plot but somewhat a Double Edged Sword/Poisoned Chalice.  It appeared that RS was interested in Spaights Ideas and what became Alien Engineers, before SOMETHING had happened that lead to them DROPPING the Xenomorph and Answers...

Was this RS, was it Giler/Hill or someone else?

I think Regardless, what happened is that Ridley Scott agreed and felt that a Prequel does-not have to be Literal Connecting Prequel, its Good to keep some Mystery and we have seen the Xenomorph over and over and over and so to DROP them and Concentrate on the Space Jockey/Engineers and that Plot was something different.

To give us a Spin Off Franchise that would STEER AWAY from the First Movie... (ALIEN).

The Problem was that Prometheus and Especially the Cut we got, just NEVER cave enough Answers, some Fans expected to Learn more about the Xenomorph Origins and HOW/WHEN/WHY the Derelict and Cargo ended up on LV-426.

For some it was Disappointing that the ONLY kind of Action/Death scenes related to the Franchise came from Space Cobra Petting, and Trilobite Face Hugging/Deacon Chest Busting.  Where some Fans may feel that these just dont Compare to the Xenomorph and HOW do they exactly Connect?

The Majority of Deaths coming from a Angry Bald 7ft+ Humanoid Engineer, and a Toxic Avenger looking Mutated Human....  again nothing like Xenomorphs.

I dont think everyone expected Xenomorphs, but they would have wanted more Connections/Clues and something more Relatable that went around and Killed Folk!   And so it never meant we NEEDED a Xenomorph... something like the Neomorphs that then Killed say 4-6 People would have done.

I think some Fans read the Alien Engineers Draft and/or saw the Concepts and Felt that Prometheus lacked this Xenomorphy like Monsters.  With Alien Engineers we had TWO kinds of Face Hugger, and THREE kinds of Xenomorph like Organisms.

The Milburn Death and Engineers Death/Chest Buster just NEVER really matched what the Franchise had and Alien Engineers.

Prometheus had a Number of Flaws.... but the Studio had Considered that NOT having Xenomorph Related Monsters, or more Clues was what Disappointed Fans..

And so by the Time we get to Latter Drafts after Harper had left the Project we had came to a Literal Prequel Series that would had been a Few Movies that would introduce the Xenomorph, its Origins and Eventually Provided us the Answers to the Derelict/LV-426.

By Virtue of such a U-TURN and how do we get from Prometheus to ALIEN and the Derelict in a Chronological Order over another 2-3 Movies that would then take us to the Back Door of ALIEN and then HOW in that Time-Line (28 Years) were you would have to get from Prometheus to Alien while Covering the Xenomorph Origins and HOW/WHEN/WHY it ended up on LV-426 and have to Re-Introduce Humans...

Well these Necessary Plot Choices provided Many Pit Falls that is WHY with Alien Covenant it was a bit of a MESS.

I can explain the Pit Falls in another Post.

I would say that Giler/Hill likely wanted to continue with the David Arc, and Ridley Scott felt he was a Character they cant Scrap..... But the David Creator and Emphasis on him was NOT the only Problem, it made sense to where they wanted to Expand on the Bigger Themes...

The U-Turn to go and connect to ALIEN and then HOW do you introduce Humans... means that within a 2 Hour Movie you have to make Sacrifices.... Character Depth, Dr Shaw, The Engineers are all things that had to be Cut Down because there was TOO MUCH that had to be Set Up that to have more Depth of Characters, more about the Engineers and Dr Shaw would have required a Extra Hour....

Especially when the Emphasis is to GET to the Xenomorph but more so the Revelation about WHO had Created it...  And so Sacrificed had to be made, things Forced and Speed Up for the sakes of Pacing (Xenomorph Gestation/Growth Rates).

I think you raise some Good Points.... we can assume that the Engineers are Millions of Years Old and that its likely they dont re-use the same Ships that they do since they First Began to become Space Fairing Species...

What becomes of such Ships?  I would Speculate they would NOT want any other Species to obtain any of their Technology so it would be Interesting to Speculate about where and what they would do with Obsolete Technology.

The Pebble Ship from the Sacrificial Scene could be such a Obsolete Technology, thats been Replaced with something BETTER... which i think the Juggernauts could be.

The Docking Ship was interesting as this seemed to be its Purpose, those working on the Movie said that it was like some kind of Border Control, indeed we cant say for Certain that this SHIP can Leave the Planet and so is NOT any Interstellar Craft.

I think while we can Speculate and Hope... i do think its Very Likely the ONLY kind of Ship we would see thats related to the Engineers will be more Juggernauts and we would have to Accept at Conclusion that this is what ENDS up on LV-426.

So indeed i agree that its Unlikely we would see any NEW kinds of Ships, i think thats the Case even if the Prequels are Finished... if the Prequels are Scraped then i cant see Disney going back to the Engineers.

As far as the Big Screen/Small Screen.... we cant RULE it out in Comics or Games but i am NOT so sure we would even see them in those Mediums.

Certainly all we can do is Speculate.... we could Wonder would they have more Military Ships as the Juggernauts seemed to LACK any real Defenses, all they seem to do is DROP their Cargo.... The Docking Ship likewise came Unstuck VS the Bombarding Juggernaught.

The Logical Explanation would be the Engineers do-not need a Variety of Ships as they are the Founders/Seeders of Worlds and they keep those Worlds in Check so they do-not become a Threat and so they are so Naive to think that NO other Species could Evolve Alone to such a Level...

Such Arrogance that would likely Prove Costly to their Species.  We also have to Wonder if they never have Internal Conflicts that would result in using Ships for Warfare beyond Dropping Drums of Viral Crap on each other.

Again the Comics did kind of show Engineer Weapons, and similar was in the earlier Prometheus Drafts (Alien Engineers and Alien Genesis) so maybe the Comics could be Adventurous but again i think Disney would only be interested in the Marines and Xenomorphs and Predators.

"hox brings up a good point referencing from Aliens that 400 worlds were surveyed by WY"

And they had Never Encountered anything like the Xenomorph before... which we know is NOT True which means stuff gets COVERED UP ;)

But regardless we do know that they had Encountered other Species, the Arcturians, we can Safely Assume that Mankind has Colonized many Worlds, and Mined Many too.

By the time we get to Alien Resurrection we can only Speculate as to how many Alien Species that Mankind have had Contact with.

Also by Virtue of the Engineers Plot, it is Likely there are other Worlds they have Created/Evolved other Alien Species, are they all Humanoid?  If the Engineers have done so, but at some point prior to ALIEN our Engineers are GONE... or by ALIENS.... 

If the Engineers had Created other Species on other Worlds, you would Safely Assume that Eventually Mankind would DISCOVER them... or maybe THEY would Discover us.

So there is Potential to Steer Away from ALIEN and Xenomorphs be it A.I or other Alien Species... but then also there are other ways to go about Xenomorphs or Similar Horrors too.

When looking back at the Franchise (i will NOT inc the AVP Movies) then i think for the Most Part all we can do is mainly Speculate.  Now some of that can be Shaped Different depending on WHICH versions we take into account.

Each Movie has some Conflicts and Bugs there are some Differences Particularly when we Connect the Prequels to ALIEN but then we have discussed things such as the Derelict vs Juggernaught, Engineer vs Space Jockey, the Cave vs Cargo Hold and the Davids Xenomorph vs Alien Xenomorphs... these have been covered a LOT.

So in Context to your Post DK then i would agree the Weyland-Yutani Company have played a HUGE Role, they are a KEY element, and something that IF we got any Conclusion then maybe we could have seen WHY they became to Central.

Ripley also played a KEY Role in the First 4 Movies, because as Ignorantguy pointed out in Alien Resurrection we see that W-Y had been brought out by Walmart but none the LESS the Agenda of some Human Scientists/Company wishing to Obtain a Xenomorph is still at play... Different Company, but Similar Agenda.

Ripley playing the Main Role, but she has NO bearing on the Prequels she was just the Human Heroine Character to overcome the Xenomorph Threat.

Or Xenomorph being what you would ASSUME is the Main Focus of the Franchise, but they are just the ALIEN THREAT that the Humans must overcome...

so we have 6 Movies, and 4 of them Feature Ripley, 5 of them Feature the Weyland-Yutani Company in some Form (Weyland for Prometheus), 5 of them Feature the Xenomorph, we have 3 of them that is about the W-Y Company trying to Obtain the Xenomorph

What ALL of the Movies have is A.I/Androids and when i look at all the Movies i do see a Potential Connection to the A.I playing a Large Role.  With Aliens and Alien 3 you could argue that Bishop was Different as he had NO kind of Nefarious Agenda, and Michael Bishop was Human.

But when trying to ADD how things can Connect from Movie to Movie, then Bishop did seem to know or would have been aware of HOW the Eggs got on the Sulaco or he indeed did by the Time he was Activated by Ripley. so you could Ponder what Role had A.I or Bishop in this.

Ash seemed to be VERY interested in the Xenomorph he Admired it a lot, which maybe takes on a Whole New Light if he is aware that his Ancestor (David) had Created it.

Then we come to AR... there is that Back Ground revelation about CALL where we know the Autons are Synthetics Created by Synthetics and so 200 Years after ALIENS we do see that the Earth (well some Cities) is in a Bad Shape, we have Synthetics going around to Sub-Create and seeing their Sub-Creation for a Rebellion (Autons) and so i think that behind the Scenes we see that A.I and Sub-Creation are playing a HUGE role.