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Well...You’ll have to admit that David has set a precedent about storing monster embryo's in his stomach. I don’t think it would be that big of a leap to think he could/would store a queen embryo?

Engineers/space marines are hot on his trail….he swallows his masterpiece (queen embryo), safer than carrying it, he evades the posse, escapes Lv-223...but the queen hatches(for some reason…) (( I’d rather have David facehugged to produce the burst..but this would do ))

There is also evidence that the pathogen fossilizes it’s victims, the murdered Engineers on Planet 4 look dessicated and old.

Now …..I think this is a terrible idea, but I think it would work.

@ IgnorantGuy

Don't give Scott any ideas.

@ MonsterZero,

The Queen has been done to death. And I expect if Scott makes David the Space Jockey and the eggs the Covenants 2000+ colonists, that general audiences and most fans will riot. The backlash would likely be worse than what happened with The Last Jedi.

@ BigDave,

Let's be clear, intentions, inference, and connotations aside, it is not definitively stated anywhere in Prometheus and Alien: Covenant that the Engineers created humankind, and furthermore the ambiguous way in which the themes of creation and rebellion are handled while inviting speculation from the fanbase is no more than an empty attempt to create a sense of magnificence where there is none.

And the hard truth is that while we, the fans overanalyze and attempt to reconcile this new mythology into the Alien franchise, general audiences (the most important factor when considering another movie) see the shoehorning of these overly bloated narrative additions and needless retconning and reimagining. Most general audiences see the Engineers and the Space Jockey as separate entities, and most general audiences find the assertion that David created the Alien as preposterous.

James Camerons Queen was an addition to the franchise and one that subsequently became the focus of the franchise. Meanwhile, the original Alien while revered has been forgotten. Whereas, these prequels rather than return to the original Alien and explore the possibility that what we saw wasn't all that the creature had up its sleeves, instead Scott and co. thought it prudent to completely ignore the original Alien and reimagine it to fit a new yet shallow narrative hiding behind ambiguity and false grandeur.

What the franchise needs is a course correction. The Queen theme has been overcooked, and the Engineer theme has, for most (but admittedly not all), failed to resonate with audiences. We need to revisit the original Alien, its themes of cosmic horror and its sense of mystery.

@ Leto,

The Markers from Dead Space are, for all intents and purposes, the same as the monoliths from 2001: A Space Odyssey, although with more obviously nefarious intents. Don't get me wrong it's a good idea as 2001 was one of the many influences on the original Alien, but I think the "prop" in question and its origins need to be handled carefully, unless we will just be trading the Space Jockeys and/or Engineers, and David for another nefarious creator of the Alien.

So, Alien: Covenant is a cryo-nigthmare of Elizabeth Show? In next film she wake up, and with David, will discover the Engineer's home world.

BigDave the most similar ships to Giger's designs in sci-fi are the Shadow crab ship (from Babylon 5) https://babylon5.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_Vessel or the Leviathan from Farscape https://farscape.fandom.com/wiki/Leviathan . But if we study the Shadows more, this https://babylon5.fandom.com/wiki/Death_Cloud is also something rather cool.

I agree. Two very bad decisions:

1. Turning the fossilized (or skeletal) Space Jockey into a suit.
2. Making David the creator of the xenomorph.

But, if there's a will, there's a way. There is a turning back, at least when it comes to David (still ambiguous). He is delusional and everything has been done long before him (and they renounced it).

I think a Large Part of the Engineers is their Bio-Mechanical Technology, and i would think it would be Cool to see this Integration to Various Levels, we see they use this with their Space Jockey Suits, that can also Connect/Fuse them with the Juggernaught/Derelict.... does it have to END there?

I would like to think the Engineers could posses certain Weapons Platforms, that are Not Limited to but Include things such as Walking Platforms that a Single Engineer would be Attached to, like a HR Giger/Xenomorph inspired Star Wars Walker, or War of the Worlds Tripod, and what about Flying Vehicles too like some kind of Bio-Mechanical like Bike, or Bio-Mechanical like Drone with Mechanical Tentacles?

I have always seen the Engineers Pressure suits as kind of a Bio-Mechanical Version of the Centurions TV Show Suits and so i think they could use them to attach to Various Bio-Mechanical Mech like Weapons Platforms.

Maybe they could have like Body Attachments that are Bio-Mechanical that would in effect give them Bio-Mechanical Wings, or even Tentacles like say Doctor Octopus.

I also think they could use some kind of Whip/Ensnare as in a Small Device that would Unleash like a Electronic/Plasma Whip to Ensnare but also to Attack Opponents.

I think it was the Bio-Mechanical HR Giger Aesthetic that stands out and so to USE this Aesthetic with Technology/Weapons that our Engineers could be Attached/Fused with seems to make Sense to me.

Just to have them Armed with like Plasma Riffles that have that Atheistic or Swords that have that Atheistic really does not separate them FAR from being just Predators who have had a bit of HR Giger Atheistic Splashed about.

I think also if we accept they use Xenomorph like Monsters would they just Unleash them and Stay Away or do they have some Contraption that could allow them to Control their Creations?  Who knows..

I would say such Horrors act on Instinct to Procreate and maybe could not be Controlled?

Then maybe we could ask WHY it is that David had not been Attacked?

So with the CRAZY DAVE!

The Franchise as far as Prometheus is a telling of Sub-Creation, a telling of how Knowledge can Shape a Creation, and also WHY the Paradise Lost is also mentioned by RS as far as Intentions...

Its a tale to tell of HOW if your going to Sub-Create then there are a FEW things to be Careful of.

*How Much Knowledge and Free-will your Creation can gain.

*How Superior your Creation is in contrast to the Creator.

*Allowing your Sub-Creation the Ability to Procreate.

So with David it seems that Weyland allowed his Personal David to have more Free-will to be allowed more Human Emotions of a Program that aims to Replicate them...

If David is starting to or has Complex Emotions or a Program that is meant to Replicate them, then in either Case, these could Overwhelm him... and being Stranded ALONE for Many Many Years with NO Maintenance or Contact could have a Profound Effect on the Mental Stability of David or his Programing.

I think the THEMES we see in Prometheus could be the Rescue Point we need...

Did the Engineers Create us? are those Engineers on Planet 4 and LV-223 the Same?  You see if its about Creation and Sub-Creation and the Attempt to Perfect Something...

Then you have to ask HOW would those in Charge of the Engineers think about how a In-Superior Creation in Mankind, had Created a Superior Creation in David!

Weyland wanted to be seen as a God and Felt his Creation of David was Justification to be Granted Immortality when ironically he had Created Immortality in David (to a Degree).  So Weyland had SURPASSED what his Creators had done!

If those LV-223 Engineers are likewise a Sub-Creation of the Engineers, and so like Replicants to them, and it was the LV-223 Engineers who had Attempted to Create Horrors that are Related to the Xenomorph (Deacon).... what would those in Charge and above the Engineers make of David who has also gone on and Perfected something from the Engineers Attempts on LV-223.

So we have those above the Engineers who are looking a Sub-Creation in David who is Superior to his Creators (Mankind) and likely Planet 4 Engineers to, who has Created something Superior to what those LV-223 Engineers had been doing.

Such beings could maybe look at David and his Creation and see GREAT POTENTIAL in these Sub-Creations....

They could then ATTEMPT to make a Amalgamation of Both to get us to the Xenomorph from ALIEN.

The Themes of Prometheus are about Sub-Creation, and Rebellion and so does this START with the Engineers?  so i think a Revelation of some other Species above them who the Engineers Rebelled against could be the way to Change things... this Species does-not have to be VERY HUMAN at all ;)

I think a lot of Problems come from HOW the Prequels intended to explore the Space Jockey and Xenomorph.

Was the Space Jockey a Very Alien Species (Regardless if it was a Space Suit, a Skeleton or a Bio-Mechanical Fiend) if the Space Jockey had NO Connection to Mankind, then any Prequel would have had a Limited Capacity to how to Further Explore the Species ONCE we had given HOW the Eggs came to be...

So then it would had been HOW do the Humans Fit into the Story to Reveal who the Space Jockey was and what those Eggs where?  If they went for a Lovecraftian idea, then its HOW do the Humans Arrive to a Place where we can have the Space Jockey Revealed? 

By Coincidence?  so some Humans arrive at a World to Survey for Colonization or Mining and Uncover Ancient Pyramids and Derelict Ships?

Or they arrive because they Detected the SOS of the Space Jockey from Thousands of Years ago?   This would make it similar to ALIEN, and so where do the Space Jockey come in?  They could have a Separate Part of the Ship where some Space Jockey are in Cryo-sleep and they are Awoken!

But then HOW do they Communicate with the Humans? do they just go POSTAL?  And they cant Communicate and see us as Insignificant maybe they could realize that IF they discover where we came from maybe we could make GOOD HOSTS for the Xenomorph.

So then its a case of WHERE do you go with a Sequel, how do you Explore the Space Jockey Race and where they are in the Galaxy and what their Reaction to us would be NOW?  And then WHERE are they in the Galaxy and WHY have we not seen them in the Franchise apart from the Dead Pilot?

What we would be getting is Basically a Independence Day!  but with that the ALIEN did manage to Communicate via  Telepathically connecting to Dr Okun's Mind, and use him to Communicate, and so any ALIEN Space Jockey maybe could have used similar to be able to Communicate which could OPEN up a possible way to explore them in a Sequel

But Jon Spaights felt that to reveal the Space Jockey as Humanoids who Created us, would have made the Plot Easier and the Archeological Findings of Holloway and Dr Shaw (Watts) was a Ideal Plot Convenience to get us to come across these Engineers and what they was up to, and also make a Sequel open to Explore them from their Home-world.

It was not a BAD PLOT... it Opened up the Franchise to be more than Limited to Ripley and Queens, the Problem was that by the Time of Prometheus what we had was too much Ambiguity to HOW the Xenomorph Connected and its Origins and also having NO such Monsters Running Rampage..

Which then FOX felt they needed to go and Give Fans this and make Alien Covenant... which was a MISTAKE!

Prior to that we could see there was a CONNECTION which just never got it Spoon Fed, the Black Goo and Experiments and Xenomorph were Connected.. but it was never Specified HOW...

And there are ways they could have DONE this without having to go for a Literal Prequel that would make the Derelict something that was NOT Ancient!

I think it may be Clutching at Straws to use Davids Mistakes to make him Unreliable and also the Prometheus DVD Material and Website about a Acknowledgement of something on LV-426 prior to the Prometheus Mission.

I think LETO'S attempts to suggest the Pathogen would always Evolve to something that would become the Xenomorph on ONE hand is INTERESTING.. maybe it could work... on the other it LIMITS the Franchise to being about the Xenomorph in its Iconic Form.

Davids notes and Workshop does show that he had made a Lot of Effort in the Hybridization of many Organisms Traits to create the Xenomorph.

But NEXT i will look at ways to maybe Fix this.

"Having David, who was created by man, be the progenitor of the Alien makes the Alien indirectly our own creation, which in relation to the franchise makes mankind the center of the universe."

I think we could look at it as the Engineers too though, as they Created Us... so without them there would be NO David, and this is kind of WHY they went that route, to show the Hubris of Sub-Creation, in that if they NEVER created us, we would NEVER had created David who would NEVER had created the Xenomorph.

So if Fits Perfectly with the Themes... but another Theme was the Persuit of Perfection, and so that could have played a role  by having David merely PERFECT what the Engineers had tried to.... THUS it would be that David had not Created the Xenomorph at all... but a Superior Version, but even if we went this route.. Fans would have NOT accepted it still as they would only had wanted to see David created a Useless Knock Off!

I would not BLAME everyone..  Ridley Scott could have Rejected FOX but then FOX could have just replaced him with a Director who would Agree with any Changes to go for a Direct Prequel.  Who knows who was the Advocate of the David Creator Plot.... maybe RS has to take some of the Flack for that....  i get the Impression he wanted to GO AWAY from the Beast, and be more about the Engineers, so being Forced to go and give Fans $"£%$^ Xenomorphs comes across as him not being a FAN and so maybe the David did it could have been a Big Finger to the Fans who wanted Xenomorphs and Queens?

And so it then comes down to a BE CAREFUL in what you ASK for....  so that in Hindsight the Franchise should have left the Xenomorph a Mystery.

They should have known that Curve-ball would Potentially be very Divisive!

"I'm not sure Engineers would engage humans. They are a creation species"

I think this depends on How many Worlds the Engineers seed and to what END.. Without trying to go Off Topic, it could seem that they Visit Worlds to keep Check on them to make sure they wont be showing signs of Evolving to Advance Levels.  So the Pathogen likely works as a Good Fail Safe for them.

We can only Speculate/Assume about if there would be Safeguards against Internal Conflict or as Protection against any Potentially Advanced Civilizations, or indeed other Threats.  So i think the Engineers would have and USE what ever they feel is Necessary to Deal with certain Threats, which could include Wayward Creations.

So we can assume their Arsenal could be Catered to different Threats.

"The idea that Engineers don't have a hand weapons is absurd."

Again this depends on what Threats there are in the Galaxy, and do they have a Back Up Plan or are they Very Naive?

At some point in the Past it would be Very Likely they had Hand-to-Hand Weapons... if they Prepare for any Eventuality then it would be Logical that they could have some kind of Hand to Hand Weaponry.

We can Speculate what some of these would look like.

So yes maybe we could have some Halberd/Spear like Weapons, some Sword Like Weapons, that could maybe have a Bio-Mechanical look to them, could they also be Powered by some Energy Source?  So that it is not just a case of HOW SHARP or STRONG the Material they are Constructed from?

I think the Space Jockey/Mask is also more so a Bio-Hazard Suit and so they could use these while they deploy Various Chemical/Biological Weapons.

I think some kind of Shield is Interesting, i would assume they could have the Technology to maybe have a Force Field like Shield, so they only have a Small Device on their Wrists that then Projects a Force Field Shield...

I just cant see them carrying around Bulky Weapons but then we have to ask WHY did the Juggernaught at least not have any kind of Force Shield?

Just have a pint and wait for all this to blow over!

If the pathogen can affect both synthetics and humans, it would likely be working at something both share, such as water or some mineral/electrolyte in the brain/CPU?

Where were the weapons on the LV-223 juggernauts? Should of had a few laying around? I'd think David would have found them. A weapons cache.

David finding advanced alien weapon.

David "Come Miss Shaw, we should have little trouble securing the second juggernaut...." ((David and Shaw stole another juggernaut and didn't seem they had any trouble ...did they have to kill a second weaponless Engineer?))

didn't seem David found any Engineer weapons on Planet 4?(probably would've used them instead of a flare gun?)

Thinking Engineers don't feel the need to develop weapons for imaginary foes?

Engineer weapons: Helmet, Shield and a Pike.

The pike can be used for stabbing but it can also deliver massive electric-shock within a short distance (1-2 meters).

The shield and the helmet are more or less bulletproof.

The Engineers from LV-223 could tear him apart with their bare hands. Maybe they would need some sort of weapon as- knowing David- he might have some surprises waiting for them. Perhaps a targeted EMP at David could make short work of him. I never saw any evidence of such weaponry though.

He should have dropped some club membership leaflets first to emphasise the fun side.

The surgical removal of David from the android is much more drastic, brutal and merciless than the upload/reset/download scenario.

It also would look much more spectacular in the movie. 

Imagine the android cutting himself with a scalpel, opening the wound and rummaging in his own body in order to find the memory bank, which he wants to replace. The android could have "blood" with maroon color.

The memory bank could look similar to this device. It must be a pluggable equipment.

The idea that Engineers don't have a hand weapons is absurd. In one way or another, they will not be able to avoid a direct conflict or encounter with a dangerous organism face to face. And I doubt that they will simply to wave hands. Simply, in the films, there was no suitable situation for using weapons.

But, if Engineers go to Origae-6 to destroy David, they should use a hand weapons.

I'm not sure Engineers would engage humans. They are a creation species....probably wiped out trillions of life forms along the way.....terminating a hundred marines would be beneath them?

Same with humanity...Just nuke the Engineers 'hive'...Maybe slam a FTL asteroid into their planet.

Both have giga scale event weapons.

But I can envision the Engineers having to 'ground pound' to protect their pathogen supply?

"Engineers and their Over Powered weapons would decimate space marines and xenos."

But what if we have a PROMETHEUS Engineer.... as in a Friendly Engineer who would come to Earth to give us some Technology, maybe a Bio-Mechanical Suit we can use as PROTECTION!

He has Stolen Technology from the Gods to Aid Mankind...  but his Fellow Engineers are NOT happy and they send down a 11-12ft Super Engineer to put a STOP to it..

I wonder if that would make a Good Future Plot?

ERM......... LOL

@DK

But Joking aside...

I think Weaponry Discussions are Interesting.

In Prometheus our Engineers look like they are Genetically Enhanced compared to the Planet 4 Engineers, i am not trying to make this about the Differences though.  Just saying that Genetic Engineering seems to be a way they would use for Enforcement.

We dont know to what Extent these Modifications have, but it seems their Pressure Suits that are Infused to their Bodies is made from something that is Organic but also Very Resilient, they are also Genetically Stronger.

It would seem that Genetic Engineer is what they see as a Weapon and hence likely the Intentions that the Xenomorphs and the like would be used as Bio-Weapons.

But this TOPIC is about other Weapons, and for a Race who have Genetically Engineered maybe Super Soldiers and Horrific Beasts then you would NEED a kind of Safeguard and Protection.

So looking at the Weapons we have seen in the Drafts and Comics, i cant see WHY NOT... as in sure i think they would Posses some Weaponry and Especially Ranged Attacks.

The Power Gauntlets are interesting it seems they can Manipulate Matter/Anti Mater and are some kind of Gravity Weapon, where they Project a Force upon a Target, much like some JEDI can use.

The Plasma Riffle which it seems to be i think is more in tone with the Popcorn Comic Necessity but it makes sense as a Weapon to introduce for the Eradication of Serve Hostile Threats which the Xenomorphs would be.  And so Energy Weapons are something that i think they could Posses.

Other Weapons they could maybe use could include...

Sensory Weapons.... something like this could be USEFUL against Xenomorphs.

Dart Gun.... as in something that would Fire Dart Projectiles that are like Small Needles that act like Tranquilizer Guns and these could be loaded with Chemicals that could Stun a Target, or be used with the Black Goo.

You would think they would have Invested in Defensive Weapons to, but we can only Speculate, as it would be idea to have some kind of Weapon that would Negate/Deactivate the Effects of the Pathogen.

"Also, BigDave, no offense but let's try not to go off-topic and not turn this thread into why Engineers are smaller/different than the Space Jockey, etc, ok? "

Indeed i actually are one of those who Accept the Engineers for who they are, and only suggested in Topics alternatives to please those not happy with the Engineers ;)

so maybe they could have some kind of SHRINKING RAY GUN that can Enlarge or make things Smaller ;)  Just messing with YA!

I think Firstly i would like to look at WHY those Ships had NO Weapons if they are a Military Ship (which i think they are not)... it was likely the Engineers had Controlled the Worlds they Seed and Visit so that there is NO risk of them becoming Technologically Advanced to Pose a Threat!

Which is kind of Naive as these beings must see themselves as being the ONLY Powerful and Significant Race...  But do they have Internal Conflicts? they maybe could have a LONG TIME ago....

And so its likely they would have Possessed Weaponry at some point, and Certainly if they are aware of the Horrors the Experiments on LV-223 are about then you would need some PROTECTION!

So some ANT MAN Technology makes sense!

Just JOKING again ;)

Being Serious for a moment then for a Race of beings who are at least Millions of Years old, then in their History you would think they would have Created some Pretty Advanced Weaponry ;)

I will attempt to Break Some Down Next!

I think something to remember is that Daniels is a Problem for David, he cant allow her to Interact with the other Colonist, if she Disappears then Tennessee may become Suspicious 

But i am not so sure they would just KILL her off, i think we see that David is Sadistic and he would likely Enjoy the Fact that he is in CONTROL and i would bet he would like to Interact with Daniels and keep her Captive.

We know David does-not have a High Opinion of Mankind and a thing to look at is that HOW he was treated by Mankind is via their Upbringing and Knowledge where they view him as just a MACHINE.

A Baby is Born Innocent and its their Upbringing that would SHAPE what kind of a Person they would become and HOW they would look at certain things and view David or treat him.

I would Suspect that David would have NO use for the Colonist apart from having them SET-UP a Basic Colony, from where David could then take them out... and then Raise those Human Embryo's maybe he would Engineer them?

I think he would KEEP our Daniels Alive so she can Witness what he has done, i think that could prove to be a Downfall for him.

I think it really depends on Davids Agenda and Actions, as he could just as Easily kill Daniels and Tennessee he would have NO use for them, he could FIX the records on the Computer and give what ever Excuse he wants to the Colonist that he Awakens.

If we assume he wants to Create Xenomorphs, then i think he would use Daniels to Extract her Egg Cells to use to Produce more Xenomorph Eggs or Face Huggers, and then use the Adult Colonist as HOSTS.

It would be Horrific for Daniels to discover that she is in effect being the MOTHER to the Horrors that David is UNLEASHING.

This assumes this would be Davids main Agenda.

@NTFS

I think thats interesting but also a bit Complex, i think sure when the Colonist are awake and IF they discover who David really is... then they would want to Incapacitate him....

The Covenant Ship would likely have Walter Spare Parts, are their enough to Construct a New Body and Head?  Are these Parts Compatible with David?  or is David already in Walters Body?

so what i am saying is that would they need David? and so can they Build another Walter?

If they need the Body that David has then they would try and WIPE his Mind Clean.... if they dont then they just build another Walter...

But a KEY THING is that it would be likely that David has Uploaded himself to the SHIP Computer and so he could Download himself back into another Walter that the Colonist would Build or back into his Body after they FACTORY RESET.

And so i think such a Plot would be Highly Likely, and so i like what your saying as in they would think they have Eradicated David....   only to at a latter point, we see that MUTHUR who is now David, just Uploads himself into the Walter they are using...

So they would be Totally Unaware.... i think something like this could work... it would then give us NO reason to have Daniels or Tennessee to be Killed Off and would bring in more SHOCK when Daniels latter discovers some Horrific Experiments on the Colonist and then REALIZES that David is still around.

Certainly that seems a way to look at it, in that if it was a Naturally Occurring Organism it would be Biological, the Queen actually looks much more Biological than any Mechanical/Synthetic Aesthetic.

If we look at the Xenomorph from Alien Covenant then what we see is something that is Mostly Organic Looking, and so IF they continue with the route that this is the Precursor to the Xenomorph in ALIEN then it could look like that something Synthetic has been Engineered into the Process.

Where as the 1979 Beast was based of HR Gigers Design Aesthetic and they should also taken on board how he saw that Shared Aesthetic with the Ships in that they are GROWN and that they are a Amalgamation of Organic and Mechanical Aesthetics and that the SHIPS would Produce the Eggs thus this is WHY the Xenomorph had that Aesthetic.

So it was Truly ALIEN.

But ALAS...

But is black goo expensive to manufacture...or is it a natural resource?

We will not resist the black goo- we will demand it!

Old Black Water, Keep on Rolling.

I would be worried about a one sided affair.

Engineers and their Over Powered weapons would decimate space marines and xenos. Or they would just bomb you with black goo and wait for you to kill each other?

Probably off topic...But is black goo expensive to manufacture...or is it a natural resource?

The battle for black goo reserves maybe a storyline?

Alien series needs to up it's kill count! Star wars is killing billions, Star trek is up in the billions ...Dune is 61 billion

Alien series is 200+  humans....maybe 30 humans killed by xeno?

Before we do the Black Marker idea(I like the idea btw)..

We need to know what a synthetic mind is.... Is it organic? Just memory chips? ?  Can it be modified by a biological substance? can the memory be Uploaded, downloaded, updated.... or even changed very easily?

Is David acting crazy because he came in contact with it(black goo)?

It seems like the pathogen has been the only real weapon besides the alien itself thus far. Weaponry besides the pathogen were brains or brawn. I don't think new weapons or a time travel element would work. If the franchise is to continue, it should maybe paint itself out of its corner by chosing a direction and then stick with it- let the chips fall where they may.

The Black Marker idea is interesting and gives an even more alien and sinister aspect to the goo itself. It manipulates any creature that tinkers with it sort of like Dead Space. However, it might need its own movie to set that notion up.

My theory of a Black Marker. Like in Dead Space. The Black Goo theory.

Black Goo is striving to evolve and develop in all ways. It gives rise to many hybrid life forms, but strives only for one thing - the form of Alien.

David thinks he created Alien... And he is right! He create Alien like many many creators before him! (Like Space Jockey/Engineers) They all create the same Alien in the end.

Why? Black Goo itself "suggests" the best solutions for evolution. David thought he was manipulating the pathogen, but actually the pathogen manipulated him! His role is just to be hands.

A colony of his creations! 

But you're probably right. He may need the humans so he can gloat over them...... show them his brilliance! 

David "Bow before your master!"

As it stands now: David created the pod that opened on Kane?

Logic says: Space Jockey was chestburst by a queen  (or a tiny little David that pops out and builds a lab that produces the eggs...)  who laid the eggs?  

 I don't imagine David travelling around the galaxy planting egg pods on random derelict alien spacecraft.

David "One must have hobbies.."

I can conceive David returning to Lv-223 in a juggernaut(probably knows the location of many Engineer colonies He's already visited 2 planets with these ships!)

I'd just like to hear one solid argument for David planting the eggs and I could die happy!

I just don't see David waking any crew members. 

David seemed to be interested in the colonizing mission.

- David(Walter) will wake up the crew according to plan when they arrive at Origae-6.

I just don't see David waking any crew members. He may wake one or two after he's infected them? But I don't envision David washing anyone's feet again.

David might as well remove the crew's hands and feet...So they'll give him trouble. He is only using the humans as nutrient sacks anyway. Why allow them to push buttons our pick up weapons?

BUT...I could imagine MUTHUR trapping him in a airlock or section of the Covenant(if she determines he's a threat), then waking the crew herself?......But David has probably disabled her higher functions. 

Daniels is FULLY AWARE of who David is...

HOW does a Sequel Continue?

Answer: David will trick the people.

- David(+Walter) will wake up the crew according to plan when they arrive at Origae-6.
- Daniels will start a tirade against David, because he attacked her before.
- Tennessee and the others decide to replace the memory bank of the android. This is a hardware replacement, which requires a simple surgery.
- They cut open David and replace the memory module. Both Daniels and Tennessee are in the room during the operation. The surgeon gives David's memory bank to Tennessee who puts it into his pocket. Tennessee goes to an airlock, throws the module into it and lets the vacuum suck it out from the ship. David's memory module disappears in the endless space.
- From this moment the android will be referred as Robert. They will fix Robert's hand as well.

The story continues ... and the humans will get into trouble on Origae-6.

- David anticipated the memory replacement and he has created a backup of his own self and hid the memory on the ship.
- He has also left some clues for his later self where to find the module. (Mother informs Robert that someone has sent him a message. Who sent the message? An android with the same serial number. That is interesting.)
- Robert finds the memory module, cuts himself open in a rather crude manner and installs the backup memory into his body. 
- From that moment the android will be David (+Walter+Robert) again.
- Daniels and the others will not have the slightest clue that David(+Walter+Robert) is back. Except David innocently smiles at Daniels once...

The story continues with David...

An android performing a surgery on himself... Is not that cool?

Katherine Waterston and Danny McBride are good actors. It is not a good thing to waste them because the scriptwriter temporarily ran out of ideas.

@Gavin In your proposal David could find a way to go back in time to place the eggs on LV-426 and being chestburster. This would be controversial but I propose for him to be also crucified on the cross first to offend even more people.

A bit off-topic, but . . . :)

I take it then that when we’re talking “biomechanical” we mean the gigeresque aesthetics (the look) not whether the xenomorph is biomechanical in itself?

If the xenomorph is created, engineered, it could be a mixture of organic and synthetic components but if the creature is a species it would be purely organic, biological (but with a mechanical look).

Well Katherine had indicated she had heard they planned some INTERESTING things for her.... but then she did also say she could just as easily end up in a Body Bag (or similar).

So i think she was aware of some of the Plans, and so it could be that she would have had a ROLE to play, but then she also then points out that she could just as easily be KILLED OFF....  this is a Acknowledgement that things can Change by the Time any Sequel gets made.

So she is hinted towards what happened with Rapace, as she appeared to be SET UP to play a Important Role in the Sequel to Prometheus, but by the Time ONE had got the Go Ahead... she was KILLED OFF.... so Waterston is just indicating that Nothing is Set in Stone as far as her Characters Future.

A Set Up from the Advent was that all David has to do NOW is Perfect his Queen.  And Fans will Automatically think that David will Create a Queen... maybe a Literal One.. but they may be VERY Mistaken.

David also said to Daniels he will do to her what he did to Dr Shaw... and some Speculate that is to RAPE her as he did then TRY and kiss Daniels..

We see NO Evidence he Raped Dr Shaw, we can only go by what he attempted to do to Daniels after he said to her he will do the same with her as he did to Dr Shaw. (thats not to say he never tried to be Sexual with her though).

What we do see that had happened to Dr Shaw was she was Mutilated and its Indicated that she had Performed a Great Role in HOW it was that David managed to Perfect his Xenomorph Eggs.

His Drawings, well some indicate different things that he had done or Dreamed of doing to Dr Shaw.. these seem to indicate her being Evolved into something more than Human and Birthing Xenomorphs.

It seems that Dr Shaws Reproductive Cells/Organs had been used in Davids Experiments.

We only have to cast our minds back to Prometheus, and imagine if David wanted to know what would have became of Dr Shaws Fetus?

And so we can Imagine he could want to Replicate the Experiment...  which really leaves us with 3 Ways that she became Pregnant.

1) Holloways Infected Sperm would Infect/Fertilize her Egg Cell.

2) The Pathogen (or worms from in it) would Infect/Fertilize her Egg Cell.

2) The Pathogen (or worms from in it) would use her Womb to Gestate.

What we see in Prometheus is she Survived... and so IF David knew HOW she was infected, he could say if he had the Med-Pod, he could Infect her Again, and Remove the Fetus, and Repeat this a Number of Times before she Finally Dies!

So she was the MOTHER to the Trilobite that would then Implant a Deacon Embryo.

With Dr Shaw if her Egg Cells are what was the Basis for those Ovomorph's then she would be kind of a Queen, well the MOTHER to those Eggs.

And so INDEED i think this would be in Part what Davids plan is, to USE her (Daniels) to Produce/Perfect the Creation of Eggs...

Maybe he could EVOLVE her..

@chli

Certainly you could consider that we are Bio-Mechanical, we are a Machine, just Organic... this is referenced in the Drafts to Alien Covenant in that the Engineers had attempted to make Good Machines (as in Humans).

In context to the Franchise, when i bring up Bio-Mechanical i mean as in something that has that HR Giger Aesthetic....   SPECIES series also has this Aesthetic.

To me the 1979 Xenomorph looks more like its 70% Organic, and the Rest somewhat Mechanical to a degree.  With Aliens the Xenomorph appeared to me more like 80% Organic, and it gave the impression it was more of a Exo-Skeleton Alien Organism like say Insects, Arachnids and Crustaceans

with the other Movies that Followed the Xenomorph started to appear more and more Organic.

"I wonder how they expected to transfer everyone to the surface of Origae 6? 10 at a time(in the now destroyed lander)? The cargo hauler can hold 4 or 5?"

It seemed the Ship was Modular and so likely the Cabin Compartments could be Separated and taken down with the Loader/Lander.   This would leave us with a Skeleton of the Ship that would Contain the Bridge and Control Section and Propulsion etc.

So indeed without that other Lander, you could Speculate that they would be Stranded...  what we would get then would be a Horror on a Space Ship, which we already saw with Alien and the Last Scenes of Alien Covenant.

Someone had pointed out on here that the Origins Novel indicates the Covenant Ship can Land on a Planets Surface.