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I thought David clearly saw the xeno wall mural( in the tomb on LV-223)? He must have known he was just resurrecting the Xeno(Alien:Covenant) not creating it?

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I will give him the credit for the egg POD...That is probably unique.

"I think ALIENS Fans would Dig Alien Engineers a lot.."

Not necessarily. It depends on how it's done. Aliens and AC were a lot about action and shooting, with macho men and macho women.

You could make a creepy atmosphere with a neomorph sneaking through dark hallways and vents (more like Alien).

Even if we take the date 2072, it would be a problem to make the Space Jockey look fossilized. But the problem would be greater still if David is supposed to be the creator of the xenomorph. He would have to be Superman to accomplish everything in just a couple of years’ time.

I agree that we don’t have to see the actual event but can see something which makes us conclude that something similar happened a long time ago to the Space Jockey. That’s fine with me and would make David not the creator of the xenomorph.

I also agree that they could have skipped the hammerpede and zombie-Fifield and used Spaihts’ neomorph instead (one monster and an angry Engineer is enough).

BigDave

I agree that organic material merges together over time and therefore it would be “hard to tell where the suit ends and the wearer begins”. But, at least it seems to rule out David: “it’s not a synthetic”.

As for the eggs in the cargo hold, I don’t think they would carry them one by one. They would probably have some high-tech device for this. And if we think in terms of egg-morphing, only one egg would be enough to eradicate all life on a planet.

The world’s fastest fibre optic network can transmit around 250 terabits per second. That’s in laboratory conditions, of course; commercial networks run thousands of times slower than that.

To put it in perspective, 250 Tb is roughly the amount of information that is shunted around the entire internet each second.

The human brain has 1,000 trillion synapses. It’s a fair bet that the super-smart David has an equivalent or larger number of electrical synapses.

To transfer the identity of David across the world’s fastest network would take at least 30 seconds. That’s just transfer time. Storing the configuration would add more time to that.

Of course, Covenant is set in the future, but you’d need some crazily fast hardware to copy a full robot personality from one host to another.

'*Someone goes to the Derelict after the Incident but prior to the Nostromo'

I could see a exploration/salvage crew visiting the derelict in the late 21'st century(2090's?) and finding the Space Jockey...But no hole...And unable to 'explore/salvage' anything, they leave(going back to get tools?)......then caught by something (monster or just bad weather)and never get the chance to report or stake a claim. 

You could start the movie like that. Giving the audience a clear idea that the hole and access to the eggs came just before the Nostromo.

Jones -standing before the large seated alien  "As incredible as this is.....There's nothing here......"

Captain Randle - "No.... there is something...keep recording...I'm going back for some cutting tools...."

I could imagine LV426 is still haunted by many aliens....A whole colony underground...The black goo seeped deep.

What kind of Manifest to you think was so interesting to Peter Weyland?

You are absolutely right about the Indiana Jones angle and I would probably avoid having the relic something 'magical'

I guess the answer would be: What would the Engineers find of value from a backwater world......Something that would date the last time the derelict was in action? What would the audience recognize? A child's doll? A sword?

Or video footage of Jesus?  Dinosaurs? All of human history recorded on holodisc would be cool.

I would ADD....

That if we did go back to LV-223 in some way to indicate that David indeed did-not create the Original Xenomorph which would indicate the Derelict had been on LV-426 for Thousands of Years.

It would be likely that a more prepared Mission to LV-223 could maybe detect the Derelict and so we could IN EFFECT end up with TWO Movies.

*Movie ONE  go to LV-223, a more Alieny Movie where we get more indication of the Engineers Horrific Experiments and the Company then find out about the Derelict.

*Movie TWO they visit the Derelict.  We could eve use this to Explain HOW/WHEN that Hole to the Egg Cargo had occurred.

Going such Routes especially going to the Derelict and indicating it had NOTHING to do with David... would mean maybe they explain HOW it was that David managed to Create something so Close..

Or this would be something a Continuation of David's Journey would have to Cover..

In Hindsight a Movie Idea/Ideas like those Proposed would have been IDEAL before Alien Covenant... which could then have allowed a Prometheus 2 to go about and do something Different (as intended).

"And the THING is......  you DONT have to have a Prequel to Answer that!"

I went a bit off the rails after i put that... what i meant was that they could have taken Alien Engineers Draft, changed it a bit to be on a Different Part of LV-426 or even on LV-223....   so the Events showed another Engineer Ship, that Crashed and the Ultramorph was unleashed as per ALIEN ENGINEERS... this would Confirm there was a Connection as far as Alien Engineers shows us the Engineers Experiments and Eggs... but lets suppose the Ship that Crashed in Alien Engineers... WAS-NOT the Derelict.

We would NOT have to see the Derelict because we would have known what happened in Alien Engineers to that Engineer (the last of his kind) had happened to others and the Space Jockey some Thousands of Years earlier.

The same applies with any Prequel they could have made... you NEVER have to go show the Derelict Event or even Visit the Ship.

Showing a Outpost be it on LV-426 or LV-223 and showing Eggs, or maybe Eggs on another Engineer Ship would have been more than enough to make the Connection.... which Sadly Prometheus did-not!

The other issue was a lack of Alieny Monsters... Alien Covenant had the Neomorph, it never needed a Xenomorph this was only needed to Spoon Feed a Xenomorph Origin.

Sadly for Prometheus.... Zombie Fifield, and Angry Engineer and Face Raping Hammerpede could not compete with the Xenomorphs we had in the Franchise or the Neomorphs.

The points i am raising can APPLY to if they decide to Ditch the David Created the Xenomorph Arc..

Another Movie that goes back to LV-223 and shows us more Clear Connections, introduces us to Eggs that can contain a Totally Different Monster but indicate as Alien Engineers did that the Engineers had created Variations of Monsters...

You could say introduce these..

If you showed TWO of these Designs by Carlos Huante and as long as you show that ONE comes from a EGG and a Face Hugger Like Organism.

Then this would indicate a Connection with ALIEN even without showing the Derelict....   doing this prior to Alien Covenant would have been ENOUGH to then Steer Away from ALIEN and such things in a Prometheus sequel.

Doing a Movie like this NOW would please Fans and could leave it AMBIGUOUS to IF our David did or did-not create the Xenomorph.

I think maybe the Date was a Typo... seems ODD...

But a thing to remember if we GO "back to the future" is that Originally Indeed the Point of the Prequels was to cover a FEW things...

*Indicate the Origin of the Xenomorph?

*Indicate who the Space Jockey were?

*Indicate why the Space Jockey would have the Xenomorph Cargo!

And the THING is......  you DONT have to have a Prequel to Answer that!

You certainly DONT have to show the Space Jockey Event.. which is the route Prometheus had taken... only it was too ambiguous to Answer those 3 Questions/Points of a Prequel (well ONE)

IF we assume Alien Engineers was intended as a Prequel... then there is a FLAW with the AGE of the Space Jockey...  if Alien Engineers is SET before ALIEN which it most Certainly had to be because its SAFE to assume Peter Weyland was the Founder of the Weyland Company.

Then the Derelict would NOT have been on LV-426 for Thousands of Years.....

There are Flaws with the Draft... it does indicate the Wreckage of the MAGELLAN remains in much more intact than the PROMETHEUS.  The VICKERS MODULE remaining INTACT.

I think there is some Explanation to cover the Destruction of the MAGELLAN but its seems after the Crash there would be much more Recognizable Debris than is left from the PROMETHEUS.

So i think as a Direct Prequel it has Flaws and Needs a Tidy Up..   The PYRAMIDS rise from the Ground so they could Lower Back down again...

But in ALIEN the Beacon was from the Ship... so thats another Flaw!

The Date of 2172 is likely a Typo by Virtue of Mr Weyland and Weyland Industries so this is PRIOR to Weyland-Yutani and thus PRIOR to ALIEN.

So a WAY this Draft could have worked would be if the DATE was 2072 (or other prior to 2122). And that the EVENTS of Alien Engineers/Genesis happen  on another SIDE of the LV-426 Moon... 

And so it does-not indicate the Space Jockey Event, but it takes to a Similar Event so we could then Speculate the Space Jockey also suffered a similar fate just Thousands of Years prior and CRASHED on a Different part of LV-426.

If the Draft was Re-wrote to correct the Date and Indicate a Separate Event i think it would not Conflict ALIEN as much...   WHY i would even say Moving it to a Near By Moon like Lindeloff did with LV-223 would be BETTER.

There are things i like with those Drafts (Spaights) but there are things i am not a Fan of... it is TRYING to be a bit ALIENS as far as making WATTS (Earlier Dr Shaw) be a bit too much Gung Ho Bad Ass even more so than Ripley.

I think ALIENS Fans would Dig Alien Engineers a lot..

For me i would liked to had seen about 50-60% of Lindeloffs Draft with 20-30% of Alien Engineers and then 15-25% of additional FILLER to Merge them.

I did do TWO Alternative Prometheus Drafts that i had got about 70% through each before i LOST them.... these were mainly Prometheus/Paradise with Changes made by me so about 75-80% would been Lindeloffs work.. the Rest additions and changes that would have added some of what Alien Engineers had.. without really borrowing from it.

I had also started on a Alien Engineers rewrite which would have kept about 60-70% of that Draft.

I do think between Spaights work and Lindeloffs was the more BETTER Movie.... if they had someone else come in and Merge both writers works.

I get the impression that Weyland may have sort after Relics for a show of Power/Ownership like Owning a Priceless Piece of Art.

I dont think he finds any Value in them purely on a Religious Standpoint...  He would be INTERESTED in a Relic that could be of some Great Use to him...  if he believed this Relic held certain POWERS.... but maybe that would be Stepping a bit too much into the INDIAN JONES kind of Shoes...

I think we also have to NOT try and consider the Franchise as connecting too much to ANY certain Religion or Mythos but more in that there are Events related to the Engineers that had been passed down and interpreted as the basis for Various Mythos and Religions.

So in that Context, i think sure there may be Technology, and other Advancements or Tools the Engineers had that could have given RISE to various Stories of Certain Relics.

So looking at Peter Weyland and Prometheus... it seems there could be ONE Relic he would have hoped to Find! (if he believed in it that is).

That would be a Elixir of Life this would indeed be the Basis of WHY he wanted to meet the Gods... so they can Grant him more LIFE!  So indeed if David was to Discover something like this Exists and were to Find It maybe that could be Interesting....  it could be something that inspired things such as the Holy Grail.

What kind of Manifest to you think was so interesting to Peter Weyland?

In Regards back to the Acid Hole... i do think looking at the Image i made a few posts back, that it could open up the possibility of either..

*Someone goes to the Derelict after the Incident but prior to the Nostromo

*Some kind of Sabotage prior to the Derelict Incident.

Well, I interpret the year 2172 as just a flaw, the Magellan is blown to pieces, and the pyramids might be a bit further away from the Derelict. Let’s say they have failed in their terraforming task (no one maintains them) and the climate is terrible with no clear view.

The advantage with this is that we have a scenario which is consistent with Alien. We’ve got the explanation for what happened to the Space Jockey (Engineer), why there are xeno-eggs in the cargo hold and why the Derelict is there (on LV-426).

@BigDave

And if David(or whatever) didn't create the HOLE then the Nostromo's crew wouldn't have found the eggs....(probably headed back to the Nostromo The End...boring movie).

Daniels or T could have created the HOLE...Escaping from David ....or they are also looking for something?

 I just think that would be kind of neat and tie the prequels together.

The only reason this (w)hole mess started was finding the eggs. 

David = Peter Weyland and Peter like his Earth relics...So I think David would be interested the manifest.

For a NECA these are Very Detailed...

I dont own any at the Moment, but these certainly something to Consider and MUST for those who collect the NECA line up.

Certainly Chli

I think a Amalgamation of both Spaights and Lindeloffs works would have given a Best of Both Worlds.

I much prefer the work of Lindeloff but it did LACK a bit of Xenomorph connections..

Alien Engineers/Genesis does take place on LV-426 but its also Flawed... we have to ASK....  

*Why do we not see those Pyramids in the Alien Franchise?

*Why do we not see the Wreckage of the MAGELLAN?

This is also a interest part that is in BOTH the Alien Engineers Draft and Alien Genesis.

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HOLLOWAY

Tell me that's a natural formation.

(he grins)
Undeniable proof of alien
civilization. You were here on this
day, thirty-one December, year of our
Lord 2172. History will remember your
names .

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More than just a Typo perhaps?

But certainly a number of Aspects of those Drafts should have made it into the FINAL DRAFT  they did-not have to give us Xenomorphs, but certainly something similar a different Variant or something to give us more of a indication...

And also the ONLY actually Death Scenes caused by a Aggressor was via Fifield and the Engineer, plus the Hammerpede a more Xenomorph like Fifield (as in Drafts) and another Xenomorph like Monster would certainly have HELPED.

@MonsterZero

I think it depends on HOW is David going to be connected... i am not sure they would be giving us Biblical Relics and looking at your comments its seems you Speculate the Derelict had been there for a LONG TIME before David and that he has some Agenda to access the Ship.

I think thats a OPTION... if say the Ship was already there, the Engineer revealed to be infected with something more like the Neomorph or a Deacon.

David arrives, has to Access the Cargo Hold and indeed causes the HOLE... he then does something to Activate the Urns so they Dissolve/Explode like in Alien Covenant but David also has some of his Eggs in that Hold so that they become INFECTED with the Explosion and so the DNA of those Eggs is spread across the Cargo Hold and then we see those EGGS start to grow!

As far as the Deployment of Eggs... again its really Flawed...

It would be a Hard and Labor Intensive Task to Carry the Eggs Manually, maybe they only Need to Drop off say 10-25 Eggs a Time, likely to a Few Continents to Ensure they would SPREAD across a World.

But this would take a lot of Work, Time and Risk!

Dropping them like Bombs makes No Sense!  When also looking at the Cargo Hold and HOW would this happen?

The revelation of the Space Jockey as the Engineers who do-not have a Problem with Self Sacrifice could give us another indication.....  MAYBE.. this would have been a Suicide Mission?

The Space Jockey would LAND on a Planet, then somehow some Door Ways open up and the Blue Myst is then Turned Off so that the Xenomorphs can Escape... but then the Franchise seems to indicate that Close Proximity is needed and so IF the Space Jockey had LANDED it could take some TIME before any Curious Life-forms come to Inspect the Ship and become Infected in enough Numbers to allow for a Infestation?

How many Crew does a Derelict have? Could they go out and ROUND-UP some Victims and then Shove them in the Cargo Hold and then Escape to the Safety of the Pilot Room?

Having a Separate Sacrificial Room where Hosts could be Rounded up and Contained and then some Device that would PICK a Egg from the Cargo Hold and Transport it to the Sacrificial Room would make sense...  (take the Hosts away from the Ship once Infected). However the SHIP is simply Not Large enough but then the same can be said with the Cargo Hold.

The Separate Cargo Hold has been debated before... we have NOT seen the Underside of the Derelict, and its obvious the Derelict and Juggernaut have Differences so we CANT assume they are the Same.

They could be similar but have different Functions, and so we could Speculate that their is a Separate Cargo Hold that is Attached under the Derelict and the Ship then would have to just DROP off the Cargo Hold which could then maybe Open up like the Xenomorph Egg does and allows the Eggs to be accessed easier by anything that gets Curious.

This would make Sense, and would maybe FIX the issue of the Cargo Hold Size and HOW it could not FIT in the Ship.

But i think it would remain as just a Oversight we have to Accept, maybe the Space Jockey Size likewise.

“it’s hard to tell where the suit ends and the wearer begins, but it’s not a synthetic. It’s definitely a life form”

I think Certainly this indicates that Marlow likely realized it was some kind of Suit, it seems they dont give too much away so as to NOT conflict any Future Prequels, by that as far as describing whats beneath the Rip Cage Hole.

I think as i pointed out before about the Chair in Prometheus Contained a Suit and so IF the Space Jockey was a Engineer (or related) then they  could likely be walking around in a Similar Suit like in Prometheus.

These Close Ups show the Under-Suit seems to Merge seamlessly with the Engineer so it would be hard to see where the Suit Begins, it could even be Permanently Fused with the Engineer and so WHEN the Engineer gets into the Chair and the Space Jockey Suit then Attaches to him then IF the Engineer Dies and you have a HOLE in the Outer suit, if you looked inside and saw a Engineer in the Bio-Mechanical Suit beneath you would NOT be able to work out what is a Suit and what is NOT.

The suit itself (Under-suit) is Very Organic looking.

IF we assume the Space Jockey was similar to a Engineer, then they could walk around in that Under-suit and get Face Hugged, and then they get to the Chair to SUIT UP.

When it comes to the Doors i also agree their Technology is different and so what appears as a OPEN Doorway with NO Doors could be sealed up with a Door as we are shown this with the Cargo Hold in Alien Covenant.

So the Cargo Hold opens up to Form a Hole in what before seemed a Seamless Hull so Certainly the same could apply to other Entrances and Doors.

What if there is something special in the cargo hold?...something the Engineers had taken from Earth two thousand years ago? And David is seeking this item(he has a cargo manifest from the juggernauts orrey?)....Some ancient astronaut artifact(Skull of ? or something biblical ...I think RS would love something like that.) 

I would say that the novel points out that the Space Jockey is not just a suit. It’s a suit with a desiccated body inside it (I don’t think the facehugger attacked a suit :) ). You would see the body inside (what’s left of it) if you peer into the hole in the suit. The hole is in chest hight so you would see a petrified, torn open ribcage if you had a peek (which Dallas, Marlow and others did).

When it comes to doors, I think it would be reasonable that they function like in Prometheus? They can shut by themselves if a safety alarm goes on. And you can open and close them with a security code. You won’t see the doors until they are closed.

As for the cargo hold, it certainly is reasonable that there is an entrance somewhere so that you can load and unload the cargo. The cargo hold of the Derelict contains xeno-eggs with the purpose of exterminating unwanted life-forms. My guess is that the juggernaut would have to land on a planet first. Then they would open the door to the cargo hold, fetch some eggs and place them in a couple of places on the planet. The rest would take care of itself . . .

In retrospect, I think that Spaihts’ screenplay would have made a better movie (I have read the screenplay a second time now). Not that Prometheus was a bad movie, but it was a disappointment to Alien fans (including me) since they wanted to see the xenomorph. So they were kind of fooled.

Spaihts’ screenplay would have given the audience (well, most of them) what they wanted and Scott wouldn’t have been forced to re-introduce it in AC.

Spaihts’ screenplay gives us the best of two worlds: We get the Engineers and the creation theme, we get David and Shaw, and we get monsters: the neomorph and the xenomorph (and an ultramorph). The neomorph is really scary in this version.

The screenplay isn’t as complicated as Prometheus turned out to be. For instance, there is no pathogen. The Engineers engineered the xenomorph (to wipe out worlds). It is also obvious that the Engineers’ DNA (through scarabs) have evolved mankind. Furthermore, the planetoid is LV-426 (not LV-223) and the pyramids (24) are made for terraforming (which is unclear in Prometheus).

I could see David pouring Xeno acid to create the hole....(How else could he enter the cargo hold... The doors/hatch have long since fossilized and no longer work. Can you store Xeno acid in glass? Handy to have that stuff. Probably faster than a laser cutter?)

Maybe he's in search of Engineers relic(s) (crystals? or something really nasty)

No need to refer to anyone as "fucking idiots", K.Gibson. Argue the topic, be passionate with your response, but refrain from being crass towards your fellow members.

I think you are all fucking idiots. You can clearly see that as Walter is punching david towards the end that fluid sprays out with each punch. It is quite obvious from watching based on both the sound of his voice, and the liquid coming out that David was on his last leg. Plus every movie does this. They make up this implausible situation that as someone is on top beating the shit out of someone by some miracle they dont notice them grabbing an object and allow themselves to get hit? That is so fucking stupid. No one could be that stupid in a fight. 

I forgot to add that with Prometheus it was indicated the Entrance to the Juggernaught was actually at what MOST would have assumed to be the REAR of the Ship, but it was revealed the SHIP flies different to what we would have assumed at the time prior to Prometheus.

I have indicated as such with the RED Arrow on the Derelict.  Something to Consider is Externally in Prometheus we saw NO clear Doorway at that part of the Ship (but it is where they Entered) we also saw NO clear Door/Mechanism from where David had opened up to Drop the Black Goo in Alien Covenant.

So its LIKELY that the Technology allows for Doors/Holes to SEAL UP and seem Concealed, and so we cant rule out the same for Interior Doors on the Derelict.

It makes sense as looking at the Entrance Point the Crews of the Nostromo and Anesidora used they are NOT Practical for use by a Space Jockey as shown in the image above.   And so as Prometheus Indicated there must be a Entrance the Space Jockey could use at the other END of the Ship, that maybe Conceals itself when Closed.

"he wonders if this is really a part of the ship or a cave beneath it"

It appears the author is Toying with the Ambiguity to STIR-UP some doubt/debate in that they (Marlow) could not tell if it was a Cave or NOT.... just as Kane thought it looked like some kind of Cave.

So this as well as the other comments do-not give any Clear or Concrete Clues to what the Space Jockey (apart from indicating its a Suit) is or the Cargo Hold

So these are Helpful in they allow for the Debate to carry on and DONT contradict what ever they will do IF/WHEN we get to Finally See the Derelict Event.  In doing so it leaves those WHO eventually Answer that Event to have the Freedom to Explore it in a Number of ways, compared to if the NOVEL have Concrete Proof that the CARGO HOLD was NOT part of the Ship and say Concrete Proof the Ship had been there for Thousands of Years.

As this would Contradict the Path that Ridley Scott had seemed to be taking, which if we get a Conclusion and it goes against what the Alien Isolation Novel shows, then it would essentially place that Novel as NOT-CANON.

The way it seems to have been covered, leaves it OPEN to explain the Derelict in a number of ways, IF we ever get to EXPLORE it on Screen..... or IF not then it allows it to be a Ambiguous Mystery.

I have not read any Novels apart from ALIEN and ALIENS, so i cant comment on the Ramp.  I think certainly there had to be a way those Eggs got on the Ship.  The way this happened and lay-out really depends on what the Purpose was for.

It is indicate the Eggs are a Bio-Weapon that was intended to be USED, and we have covered HOW the Eggs would be deployed before, i cant see them being DROPPED down, certainly NOT from any Height.

We have to ASSUME there is a way to Access the Cargo Hold from inside the SHIP.  As this could be a Plausible way that the Space Jockey got infected by his OWN Cargo.  The other option would have to be that a Face Hugger had got loose and  found a way to the Space Jockey away from the Cargo Hold.

Regarding the MASK, then indeed if we are looking at the Space Jockey as NOT a Suit then it does get around HOW the Face Hugger could get to the Pilot.

But something to Consider is Prometheus were we saw the Engineer got into the Seat and the Seat Attached the Suit to the Engineer.  So maybe the Derelict Pilot Chair functions the SAME, i would assume so.

"Somebody must’ve knocked the door off”

I am going to assume the NOVEL is recounting THIS Mission from the Game.  I wonder HOW different the Novel describes the Event and Layout compared to the Game, as in the Game they Enter via the Same openings that the Nostromo Crew do, only they Follow the Tunnel around and it Gradually leads to the Pilot Room, it appears the Entrance Point to the Pilot Room from this TUNNEL has NO kind of Door.

The only visible other Door Ways are the one that leads to the Beacon and again this has a similar TUNNEL to the Entrance and again NO visible Door.

Thats not to discount what the Novel is describing, just saying the Derelict Beacon Mission shows NO signs of a DOOR..   Was Foster just making a Assumption, or are there indications that there should have been a Door?

In ALIEN we never got to Pan around the Room to see its Layout and Doors,  however with Aliens: Colonial Marines we also visit the Derelict were it indicates there are Multiple Passage Ways on the Ship, and some do lead down to the CARGO HOLD, it also shows 2-3 Large Doorways that connect to the Pilot Room. The Aesthetic of the Ship is a little less Organic than we see in ALIEN and the Alien Isolation Game but not as Mechanical as in Prometheus/Alien Covenant.

The Interior to the Alien Colonial Marines Derelict scene is MASSIVE.. much Larger than the Interior of the Juggernaught and yet the Juggernaught is Larger (Externally) than the Derelict., but the same can be said for the CARGO HOLD in the Movie ;)

I dont think we should consider Alien Colonial Marines as Canon as far as the Lay-out unless the Engineers/Space Jockey use the same Technology that Dr Who does with his TARDIS

But considering some parts of that game i would assume there would be Entrances to the Pilot Chamber that are NOT like in Alien Isolation (Space Jockey would not FIT).  And its also likely there is a Route to the CARGO HOLD which we would ASSUME would have a Door that can be Closed.

If the Engineer got hugged before he got into the chair - no problem.

Well, the hole could be a “plot convenience” but there might as well be a ramp down to the cargo hold just around the corner (which in fact it is in some of the novels). The hole makes sense in the light of when Alien was made.

When Alien was made, the Space Jockey was a “fossilized” (long dead) extraterrestrial creature. This being didn’t notice the hole or was too much in a hurry to do anything about it. He could then have sat in his seat when a face-hugger crawls up through the hole and attaches itself to his face. When the pilot wakes up, later on, he starts to get chest pain and crash lands on the nearest planet (or moon) which happens to be LV-426.

However, with Prometheus, the Space Jockey turns into a suit and a mask and the problem arises how could a facehugger attach itself to the Engineer’s face without any damage to the mask?

Another thing: the eggs in the egg chamber aren’t “placed” neatly in rows like you would do, as a gardener, if you grow vegetables e.g. The ramps are placed symmetrically but not the eggs.

Another thing thats maybe a Oversight...

In the Alien Isolation Derelict Mission, there is a LOT of Equipment/Gear at the Scene, these were NOT brought on by Marlow and his Team!

Yet Dallas and his TEAM did-not bring No-Where near as much with them either!

Merely Oversight, Inconsistency? (Franchise has a Number of them).  And so Games Developers could make same Mistakes.

OR had someone else been there after the Nostromo and before the Anesidora?

"And another thing: If there's a connection to LV-223, wouldn't there be urns (filled with pathogen) instead of eggs in the cargo hold?"

This is a VERY valid point at the Time of Prometheus.

Certainly there was a Connection... Alien Engineers and Genesis did-not have Urns as Cargo they had various Holds that contained Variations of Xenomorph Eggs.  There was Urns elsewhere but they Contained a Method (Nano-Scarabs) that would Pass On traits of the Xenomorph.

Prometheus was Ambiguous, it could only lead us to Conclude that maybe some of the Experiments were LOADED onto the Derelict Class Ships... or that Eggs were taken from the Derelict Class Ships to Experiment with.

We have seen those Urns can Leak, also we see they can Disintegrate (Alien Covenant) under certain conditions.  So we CANT rule out the Urns Leaking and Dissolving and being Infected and the Result is those Eggs, as the Neomorph Spores likely Resulted from Leaked Black Goo.

However i would FIND such a Random Event that would lead to HOW those Eggs seemed to be Arranged in more Uniform Rows... as NOT Plausible.

Ridley Scott had Confirmed the Space Jockey Event back in 2012 he then further added more detail in 2013 as he SUGGESTED that something in the CARGO-HOLD had Evolved and got to the Pilot.

This could be indicated as Urns that become Eggs, even via a more Plausible Explanation i gave above this is a bit ODD. 

It could also be considered that he had been infected by something from the URNS elsewhere that had Evolved into a Organism and Infected the Space Jockey.... this would maybe have us Wonder if this Organism then Burnt the Hole down to the Cargo Hold and LAID the Eggs.

Again i DONT buy into that because of HOW the Eggs were in Uniform Rows to a degree and the Blue-Myst.

The ONLY way that makes sense is the Eggs had been Transported to the Cargo Hold at some point.

I think if we can be Honest Movies have Flaws and some IN-Continuities and ALIEN was not alone with this, things change during Production and then some things are NOT completely thought out...  a sometimes things are added as Plot Convenience but then they are NOT that well Planed, because its Considered they dont really matter, there could be just Small Details that should be just OVERSIGHT.

Now i dont want to change this to another Egg Hold debate so i am only just pointing out that LIKELY that Set-Production began with the Notion of a Separate Egg Silo, which was Merged as Part of the Ship due to Budget/Time Restraints...  which then you needed a PLOT CONVENIENCE to get from the PILOT Room to the CARGO Hold below and this is LIKELY were the HOLE was Created, as a Plot Convenience, where they maybe just Never gave what caused it much Thought at the time.

Some Good points about the Hole Size/Shape, you would assume a Chest Buster or Face Hugger would NOT make such a Hole.   Even the Chest Buster was to Scale with the Space Jockey so 250% Larger than a Human Chest Buster i am NOT sure it would make such a Hole.

The area where the Hole had happened is like a Layered Hole prior to the Acid Burn.

So a way that HOLE would make sense would be IF the area was Filled with Acid like substance that Filled the area to a Level before it Started to Dissolve through the Floor!

Considering this as a Good Explanation could lead us to Speculate that the HOLE was made on Purpose, but by WHO and WHEN?

It would Likely be after the Derelict had been there and the Space Jockey Chest Burster, as that makes more sense than the Hole being there Before the Space Jockey got to his Seat..

Which i why i STARTED this TOPIC were we could discus a Idea about a Event that happened after the Space Jockey Event, indicating the HOLE had happened at a Latter Point.

However.... Sabotage?  that cant be RULED-OUT for example, maybe the Space Jockey had arrived to his Pilot Chair and saw that HOLE and realized that would Compromise his Mission so then he went off to Quarantine the Ship on LV-426.   The Questions this would raise would be....

HOW does a Face Hugger infect a Masked Engineer/Being (they can but we see NO Evidence of the Mask being Damaged unlike Kanes).

WOULD the Engineer/Being be so Stupid to walking about the Room with NO MASK after encountering the HOLE?

@Leto, I don't believe chli was suggesting that urns would turn into eggs.

I think the idea for the hole was that it was made by a face hugger or burster from the Jockey. It was a clean and large hole though. If the bugger did it, I would expect to see some sort of trail. Sabotage of some type seems plausible.. But by what or whom?

Based on current posts, it seems reasonable that the prequels are pretty far removed from the Quadrilogy. 

That hole idea is important though. It looks too perfect- I doubt the movie folks thought much about it at the time.

And another thing: If there's a connection to LV-223, wouldn't there be urns (filled with pathogen) instead of eggs in the cargo hold?

No. Just no. Urns turning into eggs - is more silly than egg bombing. Just imagine and laugh.

Regarding “the hole”, I think it’s too big and symmetrical (a square or rectangle) to have been made by a facehugger (climbing up and burning through the floor). Wouldn’t it have been much smaller, just so the facehugger could squeeze through? It’s big enough for people with spacesuits to climb through, perhaps even big enough for Engineers? Another possibility would be that there was a hatch which has either been opened or removed (this could suggest sabotage).

And another thing: If there's a connection to LV-223, wouldn't there be urns (filled with pathogen) instead of eggs in the cargo hold?

This is why Isolation works. It fits in with the series without interfering with the movies. 

I think Certainly it helps to clear that up... and as daliens had said this as Canon covers up the Derelict Signal prior to Hadleys Hope.

It throws us a Stick to open up the Mystery for debate by Virtue of inferring a 16ft Pilot, and that it appears to be there a LONG TIME... but these are by No Means a indication to Disprove the Prequel route that Ridley Scott was taking, as the Conclusion could introduce a 16 Ft Engineer and maybe explain WHY it looked so Aged for not being there for that Long.

But it also at present gives hope that the Prequel Route of Alien Covenant cant lead to ALIEN as far as Derelict/Space Jockey.

so as SM had pointed out accepting the Novel does-not really Effect the Outcome of the Derelict Event.. this still remains a Mystery at Present.

And Perhaps thats how it should Remain ;)

Everything mentioed in the OP supports what we know - Jockey is an Engineer in a suit; while maintaining the ambiguity of how the Derelict got there and when.

I don't see a problem.

I will add that there are Differences between the Derelict and Juggernaught and Unless its a Big Oversight....  they are NOT the same Ship.

Differences are not Limited to.

*Size and Dimensions of the Ships (External/Internal)

*Slight Aesthetic Differences (External/Internal) 

*Different Layout Inside.

*Slight Differences to the Chair/Controls

*Differences to Pilot Suit/Size

Ridley Scott had said that they are Related, like Brothers and he said that MAYBE the Juggernaught and Derelict are Separated by a Few Hundred Years, this could mean they are a Different Model, like how you could take say a 1970s Mustang compared to a 2010's Mustang.

This does-not change how the Derelict could be on LV-426 for Thousands of Years or 10-15 Years... as they could introduce in the Alien Covenant Sequels a different Version of Juggernaught, and Larger Pilot that FIT more with the Aesthetic/Size of the Derelict.

Or they could just Give us a Juggernaught, Load it with Eggs and show it Head down to LV-426 and show the Space Jockey Suit as the same as in Prometheus and 8-9ft Tops and SIMPLY not care about any Aesthetic/Size Differences and it would be just a Oversight!

I hope if we get to that POINT they are not so LAZY! but in doing this would leave it OPEN to Argue that this CANT be the Space Jockey Event.

I also hope what ever route they take... be it SHOW that indeed as of 2105 there is NO Derelict/Eggs on LV-426 or they Indicate that there INDEED are a Ship/Eggs a LONG TIME before Prometheus...

I just hope they Respect the other and try and Tidy Up some of the Inconsistency.  So if we go for the DAVID Creator or he Simply Created the Proto-morph, then i HOPE they have a Good Story and show us a SHIP and PILOT that matches the Size/Aesthetic of the Derelict/Space Jockey and maybe come up with a Good Reason WHY it looked like they had been there a LONG TIME.

If they INDICATE or Prove the Eggs and Derelict have been there for a LONG TIME and that David did-not/could-not have Created those Xenomorphs, then i hope they come up with some Explanation to WHAT/HOW it is that David had Created Similar.  And hopefully allow them to Follow what happens to the Covenant and allow David to then Evolve his Xenomorphs to a Different Form or make them more Superior in some way...

"The question remains: Did something come up, or did something go down?"

Certainly is a Mystery one that changes a little with Alien Covenant... however as my previous Post indicated we are NOT at the Conclusion yet.  So we can Speculate WHEN this happened.

It seems almost 100% Certain the Space Jokey was infected with his Cargo.  The Answer to this had been implied/changed a little with the Prequels as far as Drafts and Ridley Scotts comments.  With Alien Covenant we have to Consider that is offers us TWO outcomes that this Event Happened After 2105 or that it was Ancient.

But this should NOT affect Speculation about the HOLE.

So lets look at Possible Ways that it could have happened.. if we IGNORE every Answer we had been given as we have NOT been shown what happened on Screen so we are left with some of these.

1) Face Hugger gets loose Crawls up the Cargo Hold and Burns through the Floor to get to the Space Jockey (UNLIKELY*).

*Hole looks Burnt downwards!

2) Face Hugger had infected the Space Jockey some other way, the Space Jockey throws the Face Hugger to the Ground and it Dies and Dissolves causing the Hole. (UNLIKELY*).

*Unlikely the Space Jockey encountered the Face Hugger in that Room.

3) The Space Jockey is Chest Busted and the Organism Grows and somehow it is able to Burn through the Floor by Producing Acid.  (MAYBE*).

*seen similar in other Movies (inc AVPS).

4) The Xenomorph cant Escape the Room it Dies and then Dissolves and creates the Hole (FLAWED*)

*The Nostromo Crew managed to Enter the Room, surely a Chest Buster could escape it.

5) The Space Jockey managed to Grab and Kill the Chest Buster and throw it to the Floor, it then Dissolves into the Hole. (MAYBE*).

*while Chest Busting kills, we saw Ripley was able to Hold on to hers while she was falling into the Furnace Engineers are STRONG and maybe could Grab and Kill the Chest Buster with its Last Breath!

6) The Hole appears after the Space Jockey Event, someone else arrives at the Derelict before the Nostromo and encounter a Xenmorph Life Cycle that is KILLED and thats how the Hole occurs. (MAYBE*)

*Certainly No Reason why someone else could NOT have been on the Derelict after the Crash but prior to the Nostromo.

I would add that its UNLIKELY the Hole had Formed before the Derelict had Crash Landed or Moments prior.

EDIT:

“Somebody must’ve knocked the door off”

Taking the NOVEL as Canon and a Clue...

Then this could lead us to OPTION 6

I will however say that the Layout of the Derelict and Juggernaught are DIFFERENT.   While the Bonus Mission for Alien Isolation attempts to Explore the Room/Ship its layout is a bit different to what we saw in ALIEN... with ALIEN the scene is Dark so we DONT get to see the FULL SET so we cant assume the Room is exactly as the SET, if we do then this Conflicts the Design shown in Alien Isolation.

Another point... the Door they Enter in Alien Isolation and the Door to the Beacon are TOO SMALL for the Space Jockey, it would be a Tight Fit for a Engineer too.

The Space Jockey would have to CRAWL through these and then it would be Tight like a AIR VENTILATION SYSTEM.... maybe thats what these Entrances are?

I think maybe we could look at the Differences in Climate as Regards to the Effect on the Space Suit... we know that on LV-223 the Atmosphere inside (Outpost and Ships) was Breathable for Humans, we have to assume that in ALIEN that LV-426 is Hostile Environment and that inside the Derelict it likely has LOST its Environment that is Sustainable for us without a Space Suit.

So YES maybe that could account for the Colorization, but also maybe such Factors could Speed Up the Rate of which the Suit Decays/Withers away?

Regarding Alien Covenant it is a Prequel, one that was to go on a Direct Route to LEAD to ALIEN... but indeed as the Movie Ends we are 17.5 Years away the Nostromo turning up at LV-426 and that does-not leave much time Considering that Ridley Scott claims we are at least TWO more Movies away before we Discover WHO is in that Chair and HOW/WHY those Eggs get on the Derelict.

IF we assume the route being taken and Events Chronologically lead to the Derelict then as of 2105 we have to assume there is NOTHING related to the Derelict and Space Jockey on LV-426.

A Bitter Pill to swallow for a lot of Fans...

But ALAS... and the point i think you raise LETO is that as of NOW those Prequels have-not Concluded at Present with ALIEN we know the Derelict is there and its a Mystery of Sorts... at Present in Context to LV-426 it is Unexplored and so we have NOT been shown what is on that Moon so we could NOT rule out there is NO Ship or that the Derelict is THERE already!

And so while there is NO Conclusion, we can Clutch at Straws in the Hope that we get a Different Reveal or that it gets left a MYSTERY!

Something to Consider......

As of Prometheus they felt you did-not have to Show the Xenomorph Origin,  you did not have to have Xenomorphs running around Killing people because we have seen that OVER and OVER so they thought you could do away with that and Concentrate on the Space Jockey Race while giving us Clues to a Connection between Horseshoe Ships, Bio-logical Warfare Horrors, and the Space Jockey, leaving the Derelict a Mystery but inferring that its Connected to what the Engineers were up to Thousands of Years ago!

Then they can go off and make a different Franchise that is NOT about the Xenomorph!

However at this TIME while they kept it a Mystery the Truth at that Time was that YES the Derelict is related to LV-223 and it has been on LV-426 for between 1800-2200 Years (Give or Take).

But some Backlash to Prometheus, how it never gave the Answers a lot of Fans Expected (at least more indication) and the lack of Xenomorphs (well at least similar Monsters in Action).   Had made FOX decide that Actually its maybe better to Provide a Route to the Origins of the Xenomorph, and Eventually lead to the Space Jockey and also introduce Xenomorphs again!

Unfortunately the Plot they gave us and that Curve-ball was something that has Disappointment Fans and IF this is the True Avenue to the Xenomorph then its going to leave a lot of things that have to be Covered, as there are a LOT of Conflicts/Contradictions at the Moment.

But the Purpose of that Last Part of my Post is to show that Alien Covenant came about from Fan Reaction to Prometheus.  (yes it had other Flaws, but FOX felt that going away from Xenomorphs and NOT giving the Origins or Derelict Event any answers was a MISTAKE and is what Fans would prefer).

Certainly the Path they took i feel has disappointed more Fans than Prometheus NOT having Xenos and Answers. (be Careful what you wish for).

But the Knee-jerk Reaction that created Alien Covenant shows that Fan Reaction can SHAPE the Future.

Disney would want to MAKE sure that any Future Movies will MAKE $$$$ which means giving Most Fans what they want or at least AVOID anything that would have Fans Protesting and being Disappointed..

so INDEED until we have a Conclusion to the Prequels or UNTIL a Alien Movie provides Concrete Proof that would show the Derelict as Ancient then at the MOMENT...

LV-426 and the Derelict remain a MYSTERY.