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Well, W-Y would have examined what happened to Sir Peter Weyland, Miss Vickers and the expensive ship, wouldn’t they?

I'm not sure they would bother?..If my boss flew off to Africa (to do something and crashed the expe$ive company jet).....Doubt I'd even fly down to check the crash site. I/we've got control of the company! 'Time to implement the changes it drastically needs!', "Higher wages! more transparency!...'Sad about the old man and his daughter but we've a company to run.....Now our first change...'

I would love a return to LV-223 But I think this opens a can of worms?

Well, W-Y would have examined what happened to Sir Peter Weyland, Miss Vickers and the expensive ship, wouldn’t they? It seems logical that they would investigate LV-223 before sending colonists to Origae-6?

It would be interesting to go back to LV-223. They would find the body of Sir Peter Weyland. Would the Deacon still be alive? What’s in the other pyramid mounds?

Actually, Marlow says that “it’s not a synthetic. It’s definitely a life form” (“synthetic” with “a” in front).

I also believe that Scott focused on the aesthetics of Giger. How it looked (bio-mechanical). Not that it was a combination of biology and mechanical parts. The xenomorph in Alien looked bio-mechanical but was certainly biological - an organism with secretion and drooling jaws.

When David experiments (on Shaw for example) I imagine there would be a combination of biology and mechanical apparatus, tubes etc . . .

I think going back to the OT, some part i assume your indication is the Novel rules out David as Marlow says its not Synthetic, and also mentioning the 16ft Size.

It also Mentions a Suit... 

I know some Fans are Disappointed its a Suit, but then look at the Space Jockey and imagine what Species this Skeleton would Belong too?  It could look a bit SILLY.

Then its HOW is it connected to the Chair?

I am sure some remember this interpretation in some of the Comics from way back.... is this better than a Bio-Mechanical Suit?

So i think we need to remember HR Giger and his Aesthetic of Organic meets Mechanical...

The Xenomorph and Especially from ALIEN is Bio-Mechanical.

so another Option for the Space Jockey could be a revelation of a Bio-Mechanical Being.... No Skeleton, No Suit... but a Totally Living Bio-Mechanical Entity.

Some of HR Gigers works carry some Space Jockey look and Aesthetic, and so maybe a Revelation of a Ancient Bio-Mechanical Race as the Space Jockey could be the way to FIX things.

Certainly i think it would be Interesting to see how far and to what Extent things had Changed with Alien Covenant.  As it was the Summer of 2015 when John Logan had came in to adapt Dante Harpers earlier Paradise into Paradise Lost work which then November changed to become Alien Covenant.

Micheal Green gets Credit in those Drafts, but not Jack Paglen who had began working on a Earlier Project before Green came in Late 2014.

So it would be interesting to see how much different the Earlier Ideas were, i think Ridley Scott had indicated a bit about where it was going, which seemed to be Quite Different to what we ended up with.

Regarding AC i think it was not a Bad Idea Plot wise, i think the David is the Creator Curveball was a Mistake and trying to go a Direct Prequel Route (so that without the Events of Alien Covenant we would not have ALIEN).

I think the Execution was not that Good and the Big Problem was they was trying to get Too Much in a under 2 Hour Movie and so Short Cuts, and Pacing had to be taken into account which is why some Scenes where just RUSHED.

I know the Changes came out of FOX feeling that maybe they should have gave more Clues/Answers in Prometheus, and maybe Fans would like to see Xenomorphs again...

But they could have gave a Sequel that could have gave more Clues to the Xenomorph and remain it as Ancient, and introduce Xenomorphs without having to EFFECT where Dr Shaw and David are going.

Problem would be how do they involved DAVID? it seemed they felt that David and Dr Shaw (in earlier drafts) had to be part of a Prometheus Sequel.

In Hindsight they should have given us a Alternative Sequel and go to LV-223 that would have had more CLUES to the Derelict, introduced Xenomorphs or something Very Similar... and allowed them to CLOSE the Door to ALIEN.

They could have Cast Fassbender as another David Model... he could have been a Survivor who then at the END of the Movie would want to be off to where the Engineers Came from LOOKING to Destroy them... (get Revenge)

They could have then had the Next Movie be about David and Dr Shaw as they arrive at a Engineer World that is FAR FAR away, it may even take a LONG Time..... and it could be open that after these events.... we have a Sequel where the OTHER incoming David is on his way!

But what about Human Characters.... again do we assume Earth is the only Place that had Humans prior to the dawn of Mankind on Earths expeditions into Space...  So it just took a bit more CLEVER thinking to come up with Alternative Stories than we got..

For example you Never had to go and do a Direct Literal Prequel to Cover the Derelict or Xenomorph Origins.. a Re-Visit to LV-223 where more Exploration is done with less Ambiguity... then show a Discovery of some Eggs and Xenomorphs or VERY Similar, thats all that would have been needed.

Oh WELL....  it may seem i put a lot of counter arguments in support of the Eggs not being Ancient... this is NOT to suggest this is the route i am Fond Of..

It should have been KEPT to Ancient and either keep it a Mystery or Find other ways to give the Answers without having to Force them within a Time Frame of Post 2105.

But ALAS.... 

I think that AC had a kind of logical continuation from Prometheus. David developed towards this even in Prometheus and the relationship with Shaw was doomed and her fate sealed when she attached his head. The doppelganger motif is always interesting and the plot was generally good. I don’t mind David dabbling in creation either (as long as he doesn’t end up as the Space Jockey).

However, the movie was too much about action and a heroine who is like superman. They wanted to please the Aliens fans - not the Alien fans.

Apart from having interesting characters and very good actors, Alien was creepy and scary (which AC was not). The monster was lurking and sneaking through dark hallways and vents. In AC there was action and a rapid tempo. In order to create a scary atmosphere, you have to slow the tempo down and let the camera slowly move through the dark hallways.

So, I don’t think it’s the plot which is the problem with AC, it’s how it’s done.

It would be very interesting to read Jack Paglen's draft. I wonder if it's possible to get it somehow? I suppose 20th Century Fox has the legal rights to it?

One thing I like about Giger's work is ambiguity and paradox in his visual work. The viewer is left to interpret and fill in the blanks. We can all agree it is dark and disturbing, but we all have different levels of what dark and depraved really is. We can't quite put our finger on it and so we debate and discuss. That aesthetic needs to continue regardless where future movies or shows may go. We need to always have that sense of "what am I seeing"?

I would love to see more HR Giger Aesthetic, i know some may be Disappointed with how Toned down we got from ALIEN to Prometheus to Alien Covenant.

I would love to see some kind of Tribute to him in the Franchise but this is doubtful... it would have been nice to go to a very ALIEN place...  Have Monuments, Murals that Depict HR Giger himself, implying him as a Ancient Alien being, a Predecessor to the Engineers perhaps... maybe also Part Bio-Mechanical, maybe Elongated Head?

Taking some Inspirations from some of these...

What if we also saw some beings related to the Engineers even if its Elder Engineers and have One of them appear in HR Gigers likeness?   Or have a Main Head Statue in his Likeness?

Or even a HR Giger Connected to some Bio-Mechanical Apparatus, or even just a Mural to show such things?

I would also think O'Bannon needs a Tribute, again maybe some Engineer Elder in his Likeness, or a Statue/Head thats in his Likeness (Engineer O'Bannon).

I think another Neat Nod to him would be to bring his Concept/Idea of the Xenomorph to the Big Screen.

The Fresco from Prometheus does have a bit of Dan O'Bannons work with one of HR Gigers, its like a Amalgamation of them..  I know a number of Fans wondered what the Significance of the Fresco was.. and if we would see such a Creature in a Sequel.

I would certainly like to see a Morph that is more close to O'Bannons Concept and also maybe the Fresco Creature.

If the Fanboys Get their way... then Disney could likely give us this ;)

Well as far as HOW does anyone get to the Surface i think as ALIEN showed they would require Space Suits.  We have to Assume the Derelict could maybe have had a Breathable Atmosphere, we see Dr Shaw did-not need any Suits to Survive on the Juggernaut while it was drifting through Space.

so some how the Environmental Systems had Failed/Been Damaged or Disabled, if they was Disabled maybe they could be Turned Back on?

"David, Daniels, Tennessee, 3 fodder characters"

I would see No Use for Fodder Characters from the other Prequels, i guess the Purpose of this Topic was to come up with ideas of Exploring going back to either LV-223 or/and the Derelict after the Derelict Event (be that post 2105 or Ancient).

So the only way to introduce any of those Characters would be IF they either Survive the Events of the Prequels (What would happen in Alien Covenant 2) or IF its that in a Alien Covenant Direct Sequel they go to LV-426 which is really then WHY i made Alien: Back to the Future Part 3 (what to do with Alien Covenant 2).

so a Separate Alien Prequel thats SET before ALIEN but after the Prequels (or Parallel) would likely Benefit from Introducing NEW Characters ;)

I think when working out the Story you Plan you have to Consider a Few Things, in your Opinion/Idea.

1) Has the Derelict Been on LV-426 for Thousands of Years and in NO-way is David responsible for those Eggs in the Egg Chamber.

2) Are you Considering that a) the Eggs are on board the Derelict or b) the Derelict is Sitting On-Top of a Separate Egg Storage Facility.

If a) then where did the Eggs Come from, or indeed where is the Underground Facility that has the Super-Queen, is it Near by the Derelict or on another Part of LV-426?

If b) then is the Egg Chamber connected to a Labyrinth of Tunnels that lead to the Super-Queen Location or is Located on another Part of LV-426?

3) What are the Future Implications from this Idea (Underground Bases and Super-Queen) until and after ALIEN?  For Example how come No-One appears to have gone back to LV-426 to explore these other Places, and only seemingly Interested in the Derelict in regards more so to between ALIEN: Isolation (if considered Canon) and ALIENS

Not to say No-One has bothered again... just what would be the Story behind it, obviously maybe there is a Cover-Up or a Wicked Agenda.

I think in context to WHY would David remain on Planet 4, this was a Subject of a few Debates in 2017, it was Speculated he had stayed to LURE in more Hosts... but if there was any Luring it was a attempt to GET away from this place... well likely.

The Movie only showed us the Incoming Juggernaut that David and Dr Shaw were on, that was Intercepted by the Mother/Scorpion Juggernaut.   Then David Unleashed the Bombardment, we saw the Engineers suffering the Effects of the Bombardment and that was it.

We later saw the Juggernaught Crashed on the Mountain with NO Explanation.

What became of the other Docking Ship was a Mystery but it was in  the Movie just easy to miss...

It could be seen in One Shot, Crashed in the Background and we also had Concept Artist Wayne Haag have a Conversation about it and they said the TWO Ships has a Dust Up (Confrontation) and so thats HOW both of them Crashed.

So we could Speculate this Left David Stranded, but the Deleted Scene did show the Hanger had other Engineer Juggernauts.  It was explained in the Novel that after the Bombardment those Ships were Disabled in order to PREVENT any Infection Leaving this World.

Wayne Haag (i think it was) had referred to the Docking Ship as some kind of Border Control.  So a likely Explanation is as a Safe-Guard the Scorpion/Mother Docking Ship would likely have some Control over the Ships, so maybe once this Ship was Damaged it would Automatically Disable the other Ships.

I would assume the Docking Ship had something to do with WHY it is David cant use any other Ships, because i FEEL he could surely Figure in 10 years a way around their Systems to Re-Enable the Ships....  But if the Docking Ship is the Control/Safe-Guard and its Systems Suffered Damage then its Logical to Assume that David simply CANT repair what ever was Damaged.

If David had been able to Repair a Ship then where would he GO?  I think it depended on his Agenda.. if it was to Destroy then he would aim to either Increase the Number of his Xenomorph Eggs, or simply go and Bombard Earth, this would depend IF the other Ships had any Black Goo, i think that would be a SILLY move for the Engineers.

So i assume if David could get another Ship he would have gone to LV-223 to Experiment with his Xenomorph and to Load Up more Black Goo, well in my Opinion..

But in Context to the OT...

We have to Wonder does only the Enhanced Prometheus Engineers have the USE of the Juggernauts?

We have to also ask if this Place is Considered the Engineers Home-World in General (likely One of Many) then where is the Pebble Like Seeding Ships from Prometheus?

The Engineers abandoned these and Seeding and Converted to Mass Genocide?

Or could it be that the Juggernauts had replaced the Seeding Pebble Ships for a Manner of Tasks?

They could still use those Pebble Ships as other could be throughout the Galaxy we cant Assume the Engineers only have a role/visit or use a Handful of Worlds.

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I had often wondered why David did not just get another ship, repair it & leave Planet 4. He chose to stay there & do his experiments.  I guess if he had even been able to repair a ship, where would he go?  After Weyland's death, he no longer had a connection to anyone, or anywhere?  He was then able to build his Planet 4 crazy family!  HAHA!!

Thanks again for another great topic Big Dave!

Scene:

David, Daniels, Tennessee, 3 fodder characters. They are standing on the surface of LV-426. A large temple is near them. All but David are in protective suits.

David looking ill “Something is not right…We must leave..”

He turns towards the landing vessel and tries to take a step...His eyes roll up into his head and he falls over.

Tennessee “The hell..?”

Daniels “This is our chance!”

They scamper back into the landing vehicle, Tennessee enters the pilot seat.

Tennessee attempts to start the engines “..It’s no good...David’s locked the controls”

Reason for this scene? I don’t want David to be the narrator. They are truly stranded.

Yes! Very cool!

Problem I see: Getting the crew down from orbit...could be very difficult transferring them in the wind and high gravity of LV426.

Certainly i think while Directors and Writers can mention certain things and plans...

Ultimately its what we see is what we GET...

Things Change as Each Movie comes along, and especially with each New Director, Fan Reaction i sometimes taken on board...

We dont know WHEN we will get another Movie, we dont know WHO will Direct the Next Movie, we know that we NOW have someone else in Charge (Disney)

And so any Sequel could change things... and its whats continued on, or replaced/changed that maybe we have to Accept.

Certainly a little Ambiguity does allow Freedom for a Sequel so your not PAINTING yourself into a Corner ;)

Which  Alien Covenant unfortunately kind of has done.

I think where-ever it is that this Primordial Entity comes from or is Located....   the Discovery of it, maybe a Flash Back could reveal INSIDE something like this.

The more this Entity consumes the more it Grows, more like a Bio-Mechanical Living Plant, it could then Grow like a WEED across a Planet, a Vision of this... with more of a HR Giger Aesthetic.

Eventually the Surface and Interior also looking like these.

What happens when a WHOLE WORLD has become Infected and Taken Over, does the World become a Living Entity, what happens then?

Can the Entity somehow Move the World...

Does it move to INFECT other Worlds... becomes the DESTROYER......

A Incoming NEMESIS!

Yeah Lovecraft is definitely my angle!

The Engineers use to retrieve the black goo from the veins of these creatures(large IV's), But that was the old days/ways. 

LV-223 would also work...The razor storms are just as cool as LV-426's.

Regarding Ridley comments. Like an extras and add materials - they are not on the screen. Not on the screen = not a part of a story. Not a part of a story = not a canon.

Regarding Walter/David in the end. I think this is done on purpose. This ambiguous gives more opportunities to the next film. Ridley/authors can can calmly think and choose the best option for the next film. Without another U-turns and retcons.

I think that is Interesting....

To propose some MASSIVE Organism or Bio-Mechanical being to be the Origins of the Black Goo or the Eggs etc.

HR Giger had felt the Derelict was Grown and was LIVING.  Why his idea was that the SHIP was what Produces the Eggs.

So having some kind of Structure under ground that is Part Organic, Part Mechanical that is LIVING and Grows could be something Interesting to Explore.

Regardless of IF this was on LV-426, LV-223 or some Distant Place we have YET to Visit.

How did it get onto the World?  was it always there, had it Grown from a Smaller Size?

Was it some Bio-Mechanical Ship that had been Damaged and Crashed, and then was Buried under Millions of Years of Volcanic Activity and Sediment....  Discovered by Curious Travelers, who saw some of them Consumed by the Bio-Mechanical Nightmare... then it Grows, Starts to show more signs of LIFE.

The more it is FED the more it Grows the Stronger it gets....  Maybe the Engineers come to some Covenant with the BEING a agreement where they are given something in PART of this Co-Existence in Return for Sacrifices?

Some kind of Symbiotic Relationship?

This certainly would be a very ALIEN twist, something very Lovecraftian and fitting with some of HR Gigers Twisted Works..

I had Pondered back in 2012 and made a Topic speculating about WHO is at the TOP of the Chain of Creation....  Elder Engineers, another Species, a Single Being, Magical Entity or a Machine!

Ridley Scott had commented in 2015, that IF the Engineers are the Forerunners to Mankind and other Life in the Cosmos then HOW is it they have Worlds that allow them to do this... WHERE IS THE BIG GUY

When talking about Prometheus 2 Shortly after the First Movie, he had said that David and Shaw are off to the Planet of the Engineers, were they will meet these beings who are NOT Gods and NOT Benevolent but David is bringing Hell with him.... WHAT HAPPENS... when the GOO infects a GOD or a MACHINE.

I found that Interesting and i even considered a Plot about HUGE Ships... Bio-Mechanical Craft that are Sentient and Living and Very Ancient.... Ships that are as Large as maybe Small Moons..

And so the IDEA that you propose MonsterZero is NOT so far off that from my Interpretation... something UNDERGROUND... something HUGE and something that is Bio-Mechanical... the Super Queen as you put it...

Or MOTHER EARTH!

In a number of Ancient Mythos we have Ancient Primordial Beings... sometimes depicted as MASSIVE MONSTROSITIES sometimes inferred to being the EARTH (Actual Worlds) itself... and Mostly that these Primordial Entities are the Origins of Life, or Worlds.. the Cosmos...

So a Lovecraftian/HR Giger Twist on those would be Interesting ;)

I think a lot is down to Personal Interpretation, especially when taking on board the Novels as often there can be Significant Differences were the NOVEL is Different, for example i had heard the ENDING is Totally Different.

Its a case in my Opinion that the Movie should be Accepted more than a Novel, in terms of IF the Ending or other Big Plot Points are so Different.  I also think that with Extras that were NOT in the Movie, they also should not be taken as Concrete... for Example the Egg Morph. (this does-not rule it out, but until its shown again it has to be not Considered 100% Fact).

I do think that it was Ambiguous i see No Clear Proof to determine WHO's Body is on the Covenant.  I think there could be Counter-Arguments due to Flaws..

I do However... think the Indication is ONE of these Options.

1) David defeats Walter and he Steals Walters Clothes and Cuts his Hand Off.

2) David defeats Walter and he Uploads his SOUL into Walters Body.

Going a route that is is 100% Walter would be a TWIST, it would indicate that in DESTROYING his Brother something happened and Walter then decides to see that David was right.

I think the Purpose of the Scene where Daniels asks him about the Cabin on the Lake is the Indication that this is NOT her Walter... it would be David or Davids Soul in Walters Body.

Regarding the Walter-Morph, this was the basis of rumor and theory that IF it is the Walter Model is Part Organic then maybe they could be part of HOW the Xenomorph eventually becomes Bio-Mechanical.

We cant say if there is ANY truth to this as a possibility, Chris was ASKED to remove a Few Topics/News about a Walter/Synthetic being used in the Evolution of the Xenomorph, so we have to wonder WHY it is FOX asked those to be removed?

It would be a bit of a Plot Convenience... we saw in Fire and Stone that a Synthetic Construct (Eldon) could be infected with the Black Goo, and so maybe Walter is similar in design?

I think regarding the Walter-Morph, we cant rule something like this out, but it could come from a number of avenues.

1) I think regardless of IF it is David's Body or David's Soul in Walters Body,  The Next Movie he would be Unlikely to appear with ONE Hand...  so either be a Walter Body with ONE Hand manages to Get a New Hand from Spare Parts (as indicated in the Drafts).... or if its David's Body then its likely he would UPLOAD his Soul into a Walter Model from Parts.

2) It is indicated that other Parties would be coming, and its likely that 1-2 of these would be Human Missions, its shown that for the Most Part we always see a Synthetic on board and so its possible we would see at least ONE more Synthetic, that is maybe more likely to be a Walter Model or Based off the same Technology.

So Potentially a Walter-Morph Plot could still happen.

Bouwuker’ Asuunder

(translation: ‘Super Queen’)

She lies dormant.

They fed her for a thousand years. They built temples over her great maws. They worshipped her! They died for her.

Story : Ancient Engineers created a large biological mass on LV-426...they feed it(sacifices) and in turn it gives them black goo...The large biomass is spread over tens of Kilometers.  The biomass has dozens of ‘mouths’ in which the Engineers build temples.

The practice of living biomass is frowned upon.  Modern day pathogens can easily be manufactured. Many if not all ‘Asuunder’ have been abandoned.

David reads about these worlds and wants to visit one. He uses the crew of the Covenant as food, bringing the Super Queen to life. Hell follows.

Summery:  The Covenant heads back to LV-426 to revive a monster.     Plenty of Black Goo for everyone!

There is no ambiguity, as in the film. Walter stay alive in the end. And he will continue to develop xenomorphs. This actually makes more sense than David. Do you remember rumors about "Waltermorph"? It could be a great hint.

Certainly its Logical that it was NOT in that System for No Reason at all.

Prior to the Prequels we had NO reason why it was there, was it a Place that was close to when the Space Jockey was getting Chest Busted...  so where was he coming from and going?

You could Speculate was LV-426 a Place that the Eggs were Obtained from? or Stored!

When we got to Prometheus it was indicated there was a connection with LV-223, but it was Ambiguous and so we could Speculate that either the Eggs came from LV-426 and was being taken to LV-223, or they came from LV-223 and either ended up on LV-426 or was being taken there.

Ridley Scott then indicated that the Ship had left LV-223 at some point and Ended up on LV-426.

We have seen Changes in the Drafts, Alien Engineers/Genesis had indicated the Engineers conducted Experiments/Created the Xenomorphs on LV-426.

This was changed to LV-223 with Prometheus/Paradise so that the Ship would have left LV-223 and Ended up on LV-426.

But going way back before ALIEN was Finished, the idea was that there was a Separate Egg Silo and Ship.

Regardless if the Egg Cargo was on the Derelict or to Ponder NOT.... surely you could explore that LV-426 has Buildings/Outposts and Storage connected to the Engineers.

We would have to ask WHY they have LV-223 if you go this route.... the Logical Answer would be to Store some Specimens/Eggs from LV-223 on LV-426, or that Specimens/Eggs are taken from LV-426 and taken to LV-223.

You dont have to have the Location of these Places close to the Derelict, they could be Located FAR away on LV-426, and Mostly Underground.

This would then NOT Conflict the Alien Franchise as If there was Outposts left on LV-426 and LV-223 then WHY do they Concentrate on the Derelict and then Ripley for the Xenomorph.

So any Story would have to maybe take these into account.   And explain WHY these are NEVER discovered again in the Alien Franchise, leaving ONLY the Derelict.

Regarding Origae-6... indeed the idea of this TOPIC is to explore either LV-223 or LV-426 and so to have a Prequel to ALIEN that does-not follow on from what ever David gets up to...

But that does-not stop anyone from Considering to Carry on with David but instead take him to LV-426/LV-223.

But this Kind of Story ARC/Continuation was kind of the Purpose of ALIEN: Back to the Future 3

But then it was mainly looking at Origae-6

With Each of those Topics i made the Banner kind of Relevant... so ABTF1 showed the Derelict around the LV-426 System.  ABTF2 showed Paradise/Planet 4, and ABTF3 showed the Covenant heading to a World.

The Banner to this Topic ABTF4 shows a Human Ship heading back/from the LV-223/LV-426 System.

I'd head back to LV-426.

Why was the derelict in this system? I think we can all figure out it crashed because the SP was chestburst...Or the juggernaut had landed then the SP was chestburst.(Either way. You'll never convince me it was just flying through deep space on it's way to somewhere else.)

I'd bring back the temple idea...underground catacombs/tombs maybe? Give a reason for the derelict to be there(refuel/reload).

Temples with life giving air(so no spacesuits helmets for actors to worry about!)

A L I E N : Sacrifice

Origae 6? Another planet just like Planet 4(paradise)?! Yuck...been done. Might as well just stayed on Planet 4. 

Regarding the OT...

It is for us to discus having another Movie that is SET prior to ALIEN, one that either or both goes to LV-223 and/or LV-426.

I think even IF they stick with the David Creator and Finish the Prequels... unless these Address LV-223 then i think a Movie that Clears up LV-223 and is more ALIENS like would be something a lot of Fans would want to see.

Or even going to the Derelict prior to the Nostromo but after the Events of the Prequels.

I know a massive BONE of Contention for a lot of Plans is the David as the Creator, and maybe its Wishful Thinking for a U-Turn... but with DISNEY... who knows, i think they could Cave into the Fans and Change things...

But we have to remember that Alien Covenant was Born out of FOX interpreting that it was a Mistake to NOT give the Answers to ALIEN and Xenomorph Origins and to NOT have any Xenomorphs in the Prequels..

Lets say Disney decide to SCRAP the David Plot, this does-not mean we would get a Good Movie, we could get a Pile of Horse Poop.... but as long as it indicates that the Derelict and Eggs are NOT a result of David i think it would please the Fanboys ;)

As i have said before... if i was to Give my TWO Cents to the OT...

I would go back to LV-223 and have a more Alieny Movie that has Eggs, Face Huggers and Xenomorphs...  ONLY have them looking Different to the Xenomorph in the Franchise which includes Alien Covenant.

So it has that Alien Engineers like Vibe, but does-not have Monsters close to the Xenomorph, we could then Speculate.. oh so the Engineers had different Versions with Eggs...  MAYBE they also had the Originals?

So it makes it Ambiguous.

For Example say have TWO Monsters like these.

Well it would appear that they would be going to Origae-6 Next, we are 2-3 Movies away from ALIEN, the Next One will NOT be about the Xenomorph, but 3/4 Incoming Parties will arrive to where David has gone, and ONE will be the Engineers.

it would be likely the Engineers arrive at the 3rd/Final Act, and this would SET-UP the Next Movie, it is likely the Next Movie after this (Alien Covenant 3) would be the Path to the Xenomorph becoming Evolved and the Path to them getting onto the Derelict.

This is all from what RS has indicated, i would assume that the PLAN for Alien Covenant 2 could be a Longer Movie or a TWO Part, that then Takes us to the Concluding Movie that Connects to ALIEN.  Or that the Sequel to Alien Covenant 2 will be a TWO Part or Longer Movie to connect to ALIEN.

As Ignorant Guy points out... we have NOT concluded the Prequels and so things can be Subject to Change.

The thing is that its all QUIET at the Moment and Nothing Mentioned on the 40th Anniversary is a Concern, it seems there is NO immediate Plans to begin a Continuation of the Prequels.

The Longer its LEFT the less Unlikely we would get 2-3 certainly as far as with RS at the Helm and Fassbender involved unless they GREEN LIGHT a back to back Production of TWO movies in the Space of 3 Years.

The Longer its left, then the Likelihood would be that we would get a SINGLE Movie that Connects to ALIEN, and one that may By-Pass what happens Next... (where David goes and what he does) so we would see Alien Covenant 2 Skipped and go to a Alien Covenant 3.

Similar to how Alien Covenant essentially bypassed a Prometheus 2, well say The Crossing Movie.. it bypassed what happened between Prometheus and Alien Covenant. Only giving us the Bombardment and The Crossing Flash Backs.

So the Longer it takes, will Effect certain things.. RS and his AGE, and also every Year that Passes by is less Convincing for Fassbender to play a 35 year old Android.

We have yet to Conclude the Prequels at the Moment, Ridley Scott had claimed that we are backing into ALIEN and by the Time the Prequels are Completed we will KNOW who is in the Chair.

RS had also said we are like 2 maybe 3 Movies away from ALIEN, which means we have to go through 2-3 more Movies before we arrive at WHO is in the Space Jockey Chair.

Taking this into Account, it appears that RS is taking us on a route that WITHOUT the Experiments that David had conducted on Planet 4 there would be NO Xenomorphs.

This however does-not mean that it would be David in the Space Jockey Chair, or that David is the one who LOADS the Eggs on the Derelict.

It just appears that David's Xenomorphs will END UP on the Derelict, but a few things to NOTE... is that RS had claimed the Xenomorph has some Evolving to do YET, it is NOT yet the Organism we see in ALIEN.

Another thing to Consider is IF the Plan was that WITHOUT our David there would be NO Xenomorph, then we NEED a Engineer Ship to come into play...

Regarding the Sequel we had RS indicated that it would NOT be about the Xenomorph, David would be off to Planet and what "Kind of a World" would he Create.. we have to assume he means that David is off to Origae-6.

RS had said that 3/4 Incoming Parties will be arriving at where David goes, and ONE of these are the Engineers who are AFTER the Culprit for the Destruction of Planet 4..  it is LIKELY this will Provide us the Derelict or another Engineer Ship that will then lead to the Derelict being obtained from LV-223.

What i am saying is that its Likely that David goes to Origae-6 some Engineers Turn Up... I DOUBT that RS would KILL OFF our David in the Next Movie so its likely at some point the David (some how) gets the Better of Engineers or comes to a Covenant with them or is Captured by them...

Either way the Engineers with David will go to LV-223, or David using a Engineers Ship will go to LV-223 and this would be were essentially Alien Covenant 3 would take place... or Alien Covenant 4

somehow Davids Creation will get Evolved its a case of by WHO/HOW?  by David, by the Engineers (or related) or by WHAT/WHO he Creates in Alien Covenant 2?

Then as far as WHO/HOW the Eggs end up on the Derelict again it is likely ONE of those THREE mentioned above.

But this appeared to be the Route that Ridley Scott was taking, we dont know if RS will be involved in the Prequels from Now On... or IF they are to be Finished any time soon.

So by the Time we see another Prequel Planned, a LOT could change including the PLOT.

As far as i recall i think some of the Viral stuff for Alien Covenant had indicated that WALTER Models can Regenerate.  I am not sure about in the Earlier Drafts but i think it mentions that Walter and David can both Regenerate.

I have NOT read the Official Novel so cant really comment but i would Assume that the Intention was to indicate that its David who is on the Covenant and Walter is stranded on Planet 4

It makes NO sense for Walter to be on the Covenant at the end, unless its Davids Soul in a Walter Body, i will have to try and Find the Interview where RS had indicated that it was David in Disguise.

But like i said i have not read the NOVEL so i cant say what the Ending was in that Book... i will have to look into getting it.

David created the Xeno(that was aboard the Nostromo), he MUST have have been aboard the juggernaut before or after, it crashed on LV426.

I think this is canon?

Unless Walter or someone else assumes Davids role?

@MonsterZero

I think Certainly we could explore that the HOLE was made after the Space Jockey had Set Down on LV-426 and had Died!

The Hole does look like it was Melted a Bit... but then again i GUESS a Powerful Laser Cutting Tool could MELT the Metal so that it appears in the way the Hole looks.

"What would the Engineers find of value from a backwater world"

Are you implying they Left Something on Earth, or they had something Related to the Time Spent on Earth that was on the Derelict before it Crashed?

We know they have Holo-Recording Technology and most Scientist would Record their Advancements or Experiments via both taking down Notes/Drawings but also Visually Recording.

So we have to assume the Engineers could have done similar.

I am not sure it would be WISE to indicate that Actually Jesus Existed and Try to showcase him in the Biblical Light, but that HE was a being the Engineers used as a Emissary a Hybrid, a Selected Human they had Augmented somehow and allowed him to have certain Powers.

Revealing Various Accounts of Emissaries though-out Earth who look more Human but have been Given a ROLE by the Engineers with Genetic Enhancements as Part of that Deal and Technology that could be seen as Miracles would be more Fitting.

Revelation of this would caused CHAOS to Religion but so could the release of Information about Discovering the Engineers. 

The Scientific Community would want to obtain any Tools these Emissaries had for their own Benefit, and would also like to KNOW it was that these beings were MADE different and Enhanced to Normal Humans.

If David could discover these, then he could Engineer a New Race of Humans.

PS... sorry for being OFF-TOPIC

@ignorant guy.....Well then I have No problem with David being the creator of the A L I E N xeno....it actually makes sense to me! Thanks! 

David did indeed visit the derelict on LV426 and set up the pods and distress signal. The space jockey was chestburst by a Deacon or something else....Xeno is human design(in a way)

I don't seem him heading towards Origae 6 

@chli

Certainly you would Speculate that would have some means of Safe Transportation of Eggs.  Something that Alien Covenant had shown was that there was SMALLER EGGS.

So if we was to Ignore Alien Covenant as Canon or imply David had obtained a Smaller Egg...  If we assume that the Eggs can START off as SMALL and then Grow, that makes for Easy Transport to the Cargo Hold.

But we still have the Problem of HOW do they get them OUT of the Ship.  We can Speculate many things, that they have some Device for doing this, that they have a Separate Cargo Hold that is deployed and then OPENS up.

The dropping them like Bombs sounds ODD!

However.......  what if we took Ridley Scotts word for how he claimed the Xenomorph could Regenerate?

I have said before that sounds SILLY... and maybe a similar and better way would be from there Remains as they Die/Killed they Break Down/Decompose and from this we see NEW EGGS Grow!

Making them like Cabbages.. you could Cut a Cabbage into many pieces and they would Re-Grow into Clones.

So if a Egg can Regrow in a Similar Way then Dropping the Eggs would be NO PROBLEM.. from the Waste of the Dropped Eggs, eventually more Eggs would Sprout..

That would be a Easy Explanation a Very Convenient one.

"But, at least it seems to rule out David: “it’s not a synthetic”.

If the NOVEL is classed as 100% Canon... to a degree YES

However as Ignorantguy pointed out the Walter Models could be somewhat Organic, a Synthetic Construct like Eldon from Fire and Stone.  And if this is revealed to be the case then a Walter-Morph could be the Answer to the more Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph and also could allow for a Walter Body to become the Space Jockey.

While this would FIT with the Prometheus Themes and become a Hubris for David... i think him becoming the Space Jockey would be something else that WONT sit well with Fans...  It would in effect be TWISTING the KNIFE so to Speak.

We also have the Height Difference.... which is Larger than our Engineers but again we maybe have to accept this as a Oversight as Dallas said it SEEMED like he had GROWN out of the Chair.

We could see Taller Engineers, or a Taller related Race who will become the Space Jockey..... or maybe David could Create the Space Jockey?

I do wonder HOW-FAR ahead they thought this out when they decided to go the David had Created the Xenomorph route?

Again we have NOT had the Conclusion, and with things like in the Novels and Inconstancy they could CHANGE things Once Again by the Time and IF we ever get a Conclusion.

I think it should remain a Mystery...

Curiously, in the book, Walter can really regenerate. He can even regenerate a whole hand! And, of course, in the novel - Walter survived, not David.

But RS had indicated that NO Transfer took place, and that David simply changed Clothes and Cut off his HAND.

RS explained - why does David have the same scars as Walter? The same. None of the Covenant crew saw Walter's scars. So - why David make them?

And - I'm sure - Walter can't regenerate. The hole on his neck was closed like a cap on a flash drive. We can see how something moving under Walter's skin. Something moving. it's not a heal or regenerate. Just belay device.

MonsterZero David clearly says in Covenant that he created perfection (re-watched the movie on) while he was stranded on planet 4, so he sees the Xenomorph as HIS creation, not only the re-creation of something existing.

Why do we continue with these debate? It is clear that there is an inconsistency between P and AC but that does not mean that judging by the theme of AC David did not Create the Xenomorph. Even an actor is credited at the end as playing the Xenomorph, not the Protomorph.

And yes, take could make a U-turn in the next movie, if that happens, to ret-con stuff.

Well David would also have likely been able to make out the Various Engineer Writings too.

The Mural was to indicate some kind of Deacon Organism and that the Urns contained Deacon like Traits.

Looking at Dr Shaw and even though he never saw the Deacon, he would conclude the Black Goo had played a part in allowing Dr Shaw to Produce the Trilobite Fetus.

So he would have some idea of a Starting Point.

There are some Concept Works around from TWO sources (Artist) that appear to indicate that David had been Experimenting to Create Various Organisms but NONE was a Traditional Xenomorph.

The Source i had from early 2015 had said that David had Re-created something similar but not the Same, as well as seeing something similar that he HAD-NOT Created.

But then the Plot was changed into the Alien Covenant Drafts were they decided to make David the Creator of the Xenomorph.

Well that could be something to work around....

The Biggest Problem is not HOW or the Technology, it would be after Concerns with previous Models surely the Later Walter Models would be equipped with Safe-Guards that mean it requires Special Security Equipment to TRANSFER the AI.

By that i mean they surely would not allow a Walter Model to be able to Connect to another one of its Kind and Transfer Data well certainly have some Safe-Guard and they would ensure that the Older Models could not Directly Connect with a Newer more SAFE Model.

But RS had indicated that NO Transfer took place, and that David simply changed Clothes and Cut off his HAND.

This does-not mean that we wont see it in Future, as i cant see David playing a ONE HANDED robot.... and the Drafts did show that the Covenant has many Walter Spare Parts.....

Its a case of are the Walter Spares Compatible?

I would Imagine/Assume that David would construct a Walter on the Covenant and then find some Interface where he could Transfer his AI Soul into a Walter Model.

Certainly i think thats WHY they made a few Mistakes at times with the Writers for the Prequels. Prometheus was more along the RIGHT idea, only it was too Ambiguous and lacked any Xenomorph like Threats.

By what i mean above is that Prometheus aimed to NOT give us a Direct Prequel route, as you dont have to set up to show the Derelict Event (unless as a Flash Back) or else you still run into the Problem of the Derelict/Space Jockey not being on LV-426 for Very Long, unless you employ some kind of Time Travel. (i think thats a Mistake unless done in a ONE-OFF way).

so it needed to show some connection with Eggs, it needed to show some kind of MORPH, the only one we really got was the Deacon and well that was just a Chest Buster that Snarled... it would be like if ALIEN ended right after the Chest Buster ran off the Dining Table.

Regarding the ALIENS fans comment i meant that Alien Engineers was more closer to a Aliens than a Alien type Flick, with a bit of Action... apparently the Earlier Drafts were VERY like ALIENS.

Which Carlos Huante said was NOT Good... Prometheus was FAR too LESS than a ALIEN or ALIENS

So in Context to the OT...

In Hindsight the First Prequel should have been Close to Prometheus but added less Ambiguity and had some kind of Xenomorph like Threat.

It should NOT have Spoon Fed the Answers or show the Space Jockey Event, but given enough clues to similar Ancient goings on...

It should NOT have a traditional Xenomorph but certainly something more similar to it than the Deacon.

THIS... would have Pacified Fans a bit more... it would have ALLOWED a Prometheus 2 to go and do its OWN thing and NOT be a ALIEN Franchise Movie.

THEY could then go and have another ALIEN Prequel that goes to LV-223 in search of what happened to the Prometheus that is more Alien Engineers than Prometheus, where we could see 2-3 kinds of MORPHS and give more clearer indication of what happened on LV-223 many Thousands of Years ago and THUS indicate the Derelict was a Result of this.

A Movie that could then lead to Special Order 937

But ALAS