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Bouwuker’ Asuunder

(translation: ‘Super Queen’)

She lies dormant.

They fed her for a thousand years. They built temples over her great maws. They worshipped her! They died for her.

Story : Ancient Engineers created a large biological mass on LV-426...they feed it(sacifices) and in turn it gives them black goo...The large biomass is spread over tens of Kilometers.  The biomass has dozens of ‘mouths’ in which the Engineers build temples.

The practice of living biomass is frowned upon.  Modern day pathogens can easily be manufactured. Many if not all ‘Asuunder’ have been abandoned.

David reads about these worlds and wants to visit one. He uses the crew of the Covenant as food, bringing the Super Queen to life. Hell follows.

Summery:  The Covenant heads back to LV-426 to revive a monster.     Plenty of Black Goo for everyone!

There is no ambiguity, as in the film. Walter stay alive in the end. And he will continue to develop xenomorphs. This actually makes more sense than David. Do you remember rumors about "Waltermorph"? It could be a great hint.

Certainly its Logical that it was NOT in that System for No Reason at all.

Prior to the Prequels we had NO reason why it was there, was it a Place that was close to when the Space Jockey was getting Chest Busted...  so where was he coming from and going?

You could Speculate was LV-426 a Place that the Eggs were Obtained from? or Stored!

When we got to Prometheus it was indicated there was a connection with LV-223, but it was Ambiguous and so we could Speculate that either the Eggs came from LV-426 and was being taken to LV-223, or they came from LV-223 and either ended up on LV-426 or was being taken there.

Ridley Scott then indicated that the Ship had left LV-223 at some point and Ended up on LV-426.

We have seen Changes in the Drafts, Alien Engineers/Genesis had indicated the Engineers conducted Experiments/Created the Xenomorphs on LV-426.

This was changed to LV-223 with Prometheus/Paradise so that the Ship would have left LV-223 and Ended up on LV-426.

But going way back before ALIEN was Finished, the idea was that there was a Separate Egg Silo and Ship.

Regardless if the Egg Cargo was on the Derelict or to Ponder NOT.... surely you could explore that LV-426 has Buildings/Outposts and Storage connected to the Engineers.

We would have to ask WHY they have LV-223 if you go this route.... the Logical Answer would be to Store some Specimens/Eggs from LV-223 on LV-426, or that Specimens/Eggs are taken from LV-426 and taken to LV-223.

You dont have to have the Location of these Places close to the Derelict, they could be Located FAR away on LV-426, and Mostly Underground.

This would then NOT Conflict the Alien Franchise as If there was Outposts left on LV-426 and LV-223 then WHY do they Concentrate on the Derelict and then Ripley for the Xenomorph.

So any Story would have to maybe take these into account.   And explain WHY these are NEVER discovered again in the Alien Franchise, leaving ONLY the Derelict.

Regarding Origae-6... indeed the idea of this TOPIC is to explore either LV-223 or LV-426 and so to have a Prequel to ALIEN that does-not follow on from what ever David gets up to...

But that does-not stop anyone from Considering to Carry on with David but instead take him to LV-426/LV-223.

But this Kind of Story ARC/Continuation was kind of the Purpose of ALIEN: Back to the Future 3

But then it was mainly looking at Origae-6

With Each of those Topics i made the Banner kind of Relevant... so ABTF1 showed the Derelict around the LV-426 System.  ABTF2 showed Paradise/Planet 4, and ABTF3 showed the Covenant heading to a World.

The Banner to this Topic ABTF4 shows a Human Ship heading back/from the LV-223/LV-426 System.

I'd head back to LV-426.

Why was the derelict in this system? I think we can all figure out it crashed because the SP was chestburst...Or the juggernaut had landed then the SP was chestburst.(Either way. You'll never convince me it was just flying through deep space on it's way to somewhere else.)

I'd bring back the temple idea...underground catacombs/tombs maybe? Give a reason for the derelict to be there(refuel/reload).

Temples with life giving air(so no spacesuits helmets for actors to worry about!)

A L I E N : Sacrifice

Origae 6? Another planet just like Planet 4(paradise)?! Yuck...been done. Might as well just stayed on Planet 4. 

Regarding the OT...

It is for us to discus having another Movie that is SET prior to ALIEN, one that either or both goes to LV-223 and/or LV-426.

I think even IF they stick with the David Creator and Finish the Prequels... unless these Address LV-223 then i think a Movie that Clears up LV-223 and is more ALIENS like would be something a lot of Fans would want to see.

Or even going to the Derelict prior to the Nostromo but after the Events of the Prequels.

I know a massive BONE of Contention for a lot of Plans is the David as the Creator, and maybe its Wishful Thinking for a U-Turn... but with DISNEY... who knows, i think they could Cave into the Fans and Change things...

But we have to remember that Alien Covenant was Born out of FOX interpreting that it was a Mistake to NOT give the Answers to ALIEN and Xenomorph Origins and to NOT have any Xenomorphs in the Prequels..

Lets say Disney decide to SCRAP the David Plot, this does-not mean we would get a Good Movie, we could get a Pile of Horse Poop.... but as long as it indicates that the Derelict and Eggs are NOT a result of David i think it would please the Fanboys ;)

As i have said before... if i was to Give my TWO Cents to the OT...

I would go back to LV-223 and have a more Alieny Movie that has Eggs, Face Huggers and Xenomorphs...  ONLY have them looking Different to the Xenomorph in the Franchise which includes Alien Covenant.

So it has that Alien Engineers like Vibe, but does-not have Monsters close to the Xenomorph, we could then Speculate.. oh so the Engineers had different Versions with Eggs...  MAYBE they also had the Originals?

So it makes it Ambiguous.

For Example say have TWO Monsters like these.

Well it would appear that they would be going to Origae-6 Next, we are 2-3 Movies away from ALIEN, the Next One will NOT be about the Xenomorph, but 3/4 Incoming Parties will arrive to where David has gone, and ONE will be the Engineers.

it would be likely the Engineers arrive at the 3rd/Final Act, and this would SET-UP the Next Movie, it is likely the Next Movie after this (Alien Covenant 3) would be the Path to the Xenomorph becoming Evolved and the Path to them getting onto the Derelict.

This is all from what RS has indicated, i would assume that the PLAN for Alien Covenant 2 could be a Longer Movie or a TWO Part, that then Takes us to the Concluding Movie that Connects to ALIEN.  Or that the Sequel to Alien Covenant 2 will be a TWO Part or Longer Movie to connect to ALIEN.

As Ignorant Guy points out... we have NOT concluded the Prequels and so things can be Subject to Change.

The thing is that its all QUIET at the Moment and Nothing Mentioned on the 40th Anniversary is a Concern, it seems there is NO immediate Plans to begin a Continuation of the Prequels.

The Longer its LEFT the less Unlikely we would get 2-3 certainly as far as with RS at the Helm and Fassbender involved unless they GREEN LIGHT a back to back Production of TWO movies in the Space of 3 Years.

The Longer its left, then the Likelihood would be that we would get a SINGLE Movie that Connects to ALIEN, and one that may By-Pass what happens Next... (where David goes and what he does) so we would see Alien Covenant 2 Skipped and go to a Alien Covenant 3.

Similar to how Alien Covenant essentially bypassed a Prometheus 2, well say The Crossing Movie.. it bypassed what happened between Prometheus and Alien Covenant. Only giving us the Bombardment and The Crossing Flash Backs.

So the Longer it takes, will Effect certain things.. RS and his AGE, and also every Year that Passes by is less Convincing for Fassbender to play a 35 year old Android.

We have yet to Conclude the Prequels at the Moment, Ridley Scott had claimed that we are backing into ALIEN and by the Time the Prequels are Completed we will KNOW who is in the Chair.

RS had also said we are like 2 maybe 3 Movies away from ALIEN, which means we have to go through 2-3 more Movies before we arrive at WHO is in the Space Jockey Chair.

Taking this into Account, it appears that RS is taking us on a route that WITHOUT the Experiments that David had conducted on Planet 4 there would be NO Xenomorphs.

This however does-not mean that it would be David in the Space Jockey Chair, or that David is the one who LOADS the Eggs on the Derelict.

It just appears that David's Xenomorphs will END UP on the Derelict, but a few things to NOTE... is that RS had claimed the Xenomorph has some Evolving to do YET, it is NOT yet the Organism we see in ALIEN.

Another thing to Consider is IF the Plan was that WITHOUT our David there would be NO Xenomorph, then we NEED a Engineer Ship to come into play...

Regarding the Sequel we had RS indicated that it would NOT be about the Xenomorph, David would be off to Planet and what "Kind of a World" would he Create.. we have to assume he means that David is off to Origae-6.

RS had said that 3/4 Incoming Parties will be arriving at where David goes, and ONE of these are the Engineers who are AFTER the Culprit for the Destruction of Planet 4..  it is LIKELY this will Provide us the Derelict or another Engineer Ship that will then lead to the Derelict being obtained from LV-223.

What i am saying is that its Likely that David goes to Origae-6 some Engineers Turn Up... I DOUBT that RS would KILL OFF our David in the Next Movie so its likely at some point the David (some how) gets the Better of Engineers or comes to a Covenant with them or is Captured by them...

Either way the Engineers with David will go to LV-223, or David using a Engineers Ship will go to LV-223 and this would be were essentially Alien Covenant 3 would take place... or Alien Covenant 4

somehow Davids Creation will get Evolved its a case of by WHO/HOW?  by David, by the Engineers (or related) or by WHAT/WHO he Creates in Alien Covenant 2?

Then as far as WHO/HOW the Eggs end up on the Derelict again it is likely ONE of those THREE mentioned above.

But this appeared to be the Route that Ridley Scott was taking, we dont know if RS will be involved in the Prequels from Now On... or IF they are to be Finished any time soon.

So by the Time we see another Prequel Planned, a LOT could change including the PLOT.

As far as i recall i think some of the Viral stuff for Alien Covenant had indicated that WALTER Models can Regenerate.  I am not sure about in the Earlier Drafts but i think it mentions that Walter and David can both Regenerate.

I have NOT read the Official Novel so cant really comment but i would Assume that the Intention was to indicate that its David who is on the Covenant and Walter is stranded on Planet 4

It makes NO sense for Walter to be on the Covenant at the end, unless its Davids Soul in a Walter Body, i will have to try and Find the Interview where RS had indicated that it was David in Disguise.

But like i said i have not read the NOVEL so i cant say what the Ending was in that Book... i will have to look into getting it.

David created the Xeno(that was aboard the Nostromo), he MUST have have been aboard the juggernaut before or after, it crashed on LV426.

I think this is canon?

Unless Walter or someone else assumes Davids role?

@MonsterZero

I think Certainly we could explore that the HOLE was made after the Space Jockey had Set Down on LV-426 and had Died!

The Hole does look like it was Melted a Bit... but then again i GUESS a Powerful Laser Cutting Tool could MELT the Metal so that it appears in the way the Hole looks.

"What would the Engineers find of value from a backwater world"

Are you implying they Left Something on Earth, or they had something Related to the Time Spent on Earth that was on the Derelict before it Crashed?

We know they have Holo-Recording Technology and most Scientist would Record their Advancements or Experiments via both taking down Notes/Drawings but also Visually Recording.

So we have to assume the Engineers could have done similar.

I am not sure it would be WISE to indicate that Actually Jesus Existed and Try to showcase him in the Biblical Light, but that HE was a being the Engineers used as a Emissary a Hybrid, a Selected Human they had Augmented somehow and allowed him to have certain Powers.

Revealing Various Accounts of Emissaries though-out Earth who look more Human but have been Given a ROLE by the Engineers with Genetic Enhancements as Part of that Deal and Technology that could be seen as Miracles would be more Fitting.

Revelation of this would caused CHAOS to Religion but so could the release of Information about Discovering the Engineers. 

The Scientific Community would want to obtain any Tools these Emissaries had for their own Benefit, and would also like to KNOW it was that these beings were MADE different and Enhanced to Normal Humans.

If David could discover these, then he could Engineer a New Race of Humans.

PS... sorry for being OFF-TOPIC

@ignorant guy.....Well then I have No problem with David being the creator of the A L I E N xeno....it actually makes sense to me! Thanks! 

David did indeed visit the derelict on LV426 and set up the pods and distress signal. The space jockey was chestburst by a Deacon or something else....Xeno is human design(in a way)

I don't seem him heading towards Origae 6 

@chli

Certainly you would Speculate that would have some means of Safe Transportation of Eggs.  Something that Alien Covenant had shown was that there was SMALLER EGGS.

So if we was to Ignore Alien Covenant as Canon or imply David had obtained a Smaller Egg...  If we assume that the Eggs can START off as SMALL and then Grow, that makes for Easy Transport to the Cargo Hold.

But we still have the Problem of HOW do they get them OUT of the Ship.  We can Speculate many things, that they have some Device for doing this, that they have a Separate Cargo Hold that is deployed and then OPENS up.

The dropping them like Bombs sounds ODD!

However.......  what if we took Ridley Scotts word for how he claimed the Xenomorph could Regenerate?

I have said before that sounds SILLY... and maybe a similar and better way would be from there Remains as they Die/Killed they Break Down/Decompose and from this we see NEW EGGS Grow!

Making them like Cabbages.. you could Cut a Cabbage into many pieces and they would Re-Grow into Clones.

So if a Egg can Regrow in a Similar Way then Dropping the Eggs would be NO PROBLEM.. from the Waste of the Dropped Eggs, eventually more Eggs would Sprout..

That would be a Easy Explanation a Very Convenient one.

"But, at least it seems to rule out David: “it’s not a synthetic”.

If the NOVEL is classed as 100% Canon... to a degree YES

However as Ignorantguy pointed out the Walter Models could be somewhat Organic, a Synthetic Construct like Eldon from Fire and Stone.  And if this is revealed to be the case then a Walter-Morph could be the Answer to the more Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph and also could allow for a Walter Body to become the Space Jockey.

While this would FIT with the Prometheus Themes and become a Hubris for David... i think him becoming the Space Jockey would be something else that WONT sit well with Fans...  It would in effect be TWISTING the KNIFE so to Speak.

We also have the Height Difference.... which is Larger than our Engineers but again we maybe have to accept this as a Oversight as Dallas said it SEEMED like he had GROWN out of the Chair.

We could see Taller Engineers, or a Taller related Race who will become the Space Jockey..... or maybe David could Create the Space Jockey?

I do wonder HOW-FAR ahead they thought this out when they decided to go the David had Created the Xenomorph route?

Again we have NOT had the Conclusion, and with things like in the Novels and Inconstancy they could CHANGE things Once Again by the Time and IF we ever get a Conclusion.

I think it should remain a Mystery...

Curiously, in the book, Walter can really regenerate. He can even regenerate a whole hand! And, of course, in the novel - Walter survived, not David.

But RS had indicated that NO Transfer took place, and that David simply changed Clothes and Cut off his HAND.

RS explained - why does David have the same scars as Walter? The same. None of the Covenant crew saw Walter's scars. So - why David make them?

And - I'm sure - Walter can't regenerate. The hole on his neck was closed like a cap on a flash drive. We can see how something moving under Walter's skin. Something moving. it's not a heal or regenerate. Just belay device.

MonsterZero David clearly says in Covenant that he created perfection (re-watched the movie on) while he was stranded on planet 4, so he sees the Xenomorph as HIS creation, not only the re-creation of something existing.

Why do we continue with these debate? It is clear that there is an inconsistency between P and AC but that does not mean that judging by the theme of AC David did not Create the Xenomorph. Even an actor is credited at the end as playing the Xenomorph, not the Protomorph.

And yes, take could make a U-turn in the next movie, if that happens, to ret-con stuff.

Well David would also have likely been able to make out the Various Engineer Writings too.

The Mural was to indicate some kind of Deacon Organism and that the Urns contained Deacon like Traits.

Looking at Dr Shaw and even though he never saw the Deacon, he would conclude the Black Goo had played a part in allowing Dr Shaw to Produce the Trilobite Fetus.

So he would have some idea of a Starting Point.

There are some Concept Works around from TWO sources (Artist) that appear to indicate that David had been Experimenting to Create Various Organisms but NONE was a Traditional Xenomorph.

The Source i had from early 2015 had said that David had Re-created something similar but not the Same, as well as seeing something similar that he HAD-NOT Created.

But then the Plot was changed into the Alien Covenant Drafts were they decided to make David the Creator of the Xenomorph.

Well that could be something to work around....

The Biggest Problem is not HOW or the Technology, it would be after Concerns with previous Models surely the Later Walter Models would be equipped with Safe-Guards that mean it requires Special Security Equipment to TRANSFER the AI.

By that i mean they surely would not allow a Walter Model to be able to Connect to another one of its Kind and Transfer Data well certainly have some Safe-Guard and they would ensure that the Older Models could not Directly Connect with a Newer more SAFE Model.

But RS had indicated that NO Transfer took place, and that David simply changed Clothes and Cut off his HAND.

This does-not mean that we wont see it in Future, as i cant see David playing a ONE HANDED robot.... and the Drafts did show that the Covenant has many Walter Spare Parts.....

Its a case of are the Walter Spares Compatible?

I would Imagine/Assume that David would construct a Walter on the Covenant and then find some Interface where he could Transfer his AI Soul into a Walter Model.

Certainly i think thats WHY they made a few Mistakes at times with the Writers for the Prequels. Prometheus was more along the RIGHT idea, only it was too Ambiguous and lacked any Xenomorph like Threats.

By what i mean above is that Prometheus aimed to NOT give us a Direct Prequel route, as you dont have to set up to show the Derelict Event (unless as a Flash Back) or else you still run into the Problem of the Derelict/Space Jockey not being on LV-426 for Very Long, unless you employ some kind of Time Travel. (i think thats a Mistake unless done in a ONE-OFF way).

so it needed to show some connection with Eggs, it needed to show some kind of MORPH, the only one we really got was the Deacon and well that was just a Chest Buster that Snarled... it would be like if ALIEN ended right after the Chest Buster ran off the Dining Table.

Regarding the ALIENS fans comment i meant that Alien Engineers was more closer to a Aliens than a Alien type Flick, with a bit of Action... apparently the Earlier Drafts were VERY like ALIENS.

Which Carlos Huante said was NOT Good... Prometheus was FAR too LESS than a ALIEN or ALIENS

So in Context to the OT...

In Hindsight the First Prequel should have been Close to Prometheus but added less Ambiguity and had some kind of Xenomorph like Threat.

It should NOT have Spoon Fed the Answers or show the Space Jockey Event, but given enough clues to similar Ancient goings on...

It should NOT have a traditional Xenomorph but certainly something more similar to it than the Deacon.

THIS... would have Pacified Fans a bit more... it would have ALLOWED a Prometheus 2 to go and do its OWN thing and NOT be a ALIEN Franchise Movie.

THEY could then go and have another ALIEN Prequel that goes to LV-223 in search of what happened to the Prometheus that is more Alien Engineers than Prometheus, where we could see 2-3 kinds of MORPHS and give more clearer indication of what happened on LV-223 many Thousands of Years ago and THUS indicate the Derelict was a Result of this.

A Movie that could then lead to Special Order 937

But ALAS

I thought David clearly saw the xeno wall mural( in the tomb on LV-223)? He must have known he was just resurrecting the Xeno(Alien:Covenant) not creating it?

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I will give him the credit for the egg POD...That is probably unique.

"I think ALIENS Fans would Dig Alien Engineers a lot.."

Not necessarily. It depends on how it's done. Aliens and AC were a lot about action and shooting, with macho men and macho women.

You could make a creepy atmosphere with a neomorph sneaking through dark hallways and vents (more like Alien).

Even if we take the date 2072, it would be a problem to make the Space Jockey look fossilized. But the problem would be greater still if David is supposed to be the creator of the xenomorph. He would have to be Superman to accomplish everything in just a couple of years’ time.

I agree that we don’t have to see the actual event but can see something which makes us conclude that something similar happened a long time ago to the Space Jockey. That’s fine with me and would make David not the creator of the xenomorph.

I also agree that they could have skipped the hammerpede and zombie-Fifield and used Spaihts’ neomorph instead (one monster and an angry Engineer is enough).

BigDave

I agree that organic material merges together over time and therefore it would be “hard to tell where the suit ends and the wearer begins”. But, at least it seems to rule out David: “it’s not a synthetic”.

As for the eggs in the cargo hold, I don’t think they would carry them one by one. They would probably have some high-tech device for this. And if we think in terms of egg-morphing, only one egg would be enough to eradicate all life on a planet.

The world’s fastest fibre optic network can transmit around 250 terabits per second. That’s in laboratory conditions, of course; commercial networks run thousands of times slower than that.

To put it in perspective, 250 Tb is roughly the amount of information that is shunted around the entire internet each second.

The human brain has 1,000 trillion synapses. It’s a fair bet that the super-smart David has an equivalent or larger number of electrical synapses.

To transfer the identity of David across the world’s fastest network would take at least 30 seconds. That’s just transfer time. Storing the configuration would add more time to that.

Of course, Covenant is set in the future, but you’d need some crazily fast hardware to copy a full robot personality from one host to another.

'*Someone goes to the Derelict after the Incident but prior to the Nostromo'

I could see a exploration/salvage crew visiting the derelict in the late 21'st century(2090's?) and finding the Space Jockey...But no hole...And unable to 'explore/salvage' anything, they leave(going back to get tools?)......then caught by something (monster or just bad weather)and never get the chance to report or stake a claim. 

You could start the movie like that. Giving the audience a clear idea that the hole and access to the eggs came just before the Nostromo.

Jones -standing before the large seated alien  "As incredible as this is.....There's nothing here......"

Captain Randle - "No.... there is something...keep recording...I'm going back for some cutting tools...."

I could imagine LV426 is still haunted by many aliens....A whole colony underground...The black goo seeped deep.

What kind of Manifest to you think was so interesting to Peter Weyland?

You are absolutely right about the Indiana Jones angle and I would probably avoid having the relic something 'magical'

I guess the answer would be: What would the Engineers find of value from a backwater world......Something that would date the last time the derelict was in action? What would the audience recognize? A child's doll? A sword?

Or video footage of Jesus?  Dinosaurs? All of human history recorded on holodisc would be cool.

I would ADD....

That if we did go back to LV-223 in some way to indicate that David indeed did-not create the Original Xenomorph which would indicate the Derelict had been on LV-426 for Thousands of Years.

It would be likely that a more prepared Mission to LV-223 could maybe detect the Derelict and so we could IN EFFECT end up with TWO Movies.

*Movie ONE  go to LV-223, a more Alieny Movie where we get more indication of the Engineers Horrific Experiments and the Company then find out about the Derelict.

*Movie TWO they visit the Derelict.  We could eve use this to Explain HOW/WHEN that Hole to the Egg Cargo had occurred.

Going such Routes especially going to the Derelict and indicating it had NOTHING to do with David... would mean maybe they explain HOW it was that David managed to Create something so Close..

Or this would be something a Continuation of David's Journey would have to Cover..

In Hindsight a Movie Idea/Ideas like those Proposed would have been IDEAL before Alien Covenant... which could then have allowed a Prometheus 2 to go about and do something Different (as intended).

"And the THING is......  you DONT have to have a Prequel to Answer that!"

I went a bit off the rails after i put that... what i meant was that they could have taken Alien Engineers Draft, changed it a bit to be on a Different Part of LV-426 or even on LV-223....   so the Events showed another Engineer Ship, that Crashed and the Ultramorph was unleashed as per ALIEN ENGINEERS... this would Confirm there was a Connection as far as Alien Engineers shows us the Engineers Experiments and Eggs... but lets suppose the Ship that Crashed in Alien Engineers... WAS-NOT the Derelict.

We would NOT have to see the Derelict because we would have known what happened in Alien Engineers to that Engineer (the last of his kind) had happened to others and the Space Jockey some Thousands of Years earlier.

The same applies with any Prequel they could have made... you NEVER have to go show the Derelict Event or even Visit the Ship.

Showing a Outpost be it on LV-426 or LV-223 and showing Eggs, or maybe Eggs on another Engineer Ship would have been more than enough to make the Connection.... which Sadly Prometheus did-not!

The other issue was a lack of Alieny Monsters... Alien Covenant had the Neomorph, it never needed a Xenomorph this was only needed to Spoon Feed a Xenomorph Origin.

Sadly for Prometheus.... Zombie Fifield, and Angry Engineer and Face Raping Hammerpede could not compete with the Xenomorphs we had in the Franchise or the Neomorphs.

The points i am raising can APPLY to if they decide to Ditch the David Created the Xenomorph Arc..

Another Movie that goes back to LV-223 and shows us more Clear Connections, introduces us to Eggs that can contain a Totally Different Monster but indicate as Alien Engineers did that the Engineers had created Variations of Monsters...

You could say introduce these..

If you showed TWO of these Designs by Carlos Huante and as long as you show that ONE comes from a EGG and a Face Hugger Like Organism.

Then this would indicate a Connection with ALIEN even without showing the Derelict....   doing this prior to Alien Covenant would have been ENOUGH to then Steer Away from ALIEN and such things in a Prometheus sequel.

Doing a Movie like this NOW would please Fans and could leave it AMBIGUOUS to IF our David did or did-not create the Xenomorph.

I think maybe the Date was a Typo... seems ODD...

But a thing to remember if we GO "back to the future" is that Originally Indeed the Point of the Prequels was to cover a FEW things...

*Indicate the Origin of the Xenomorph?

*Indicate who the Space Jockey were?

*Indicate why the Space Jockey would have the Xenomorph Cargo!

And the THING is......  you DONT have to have a Prequel to Answer that!

You certainly DONT have to show the Space Jockey Event.. which is the route Prometheus had taken... only it was too ambiguous to Answer those 3 Questions/Points of a Prequel (well ONE)

IF we assume Alien Engineers was intended as a Prequel... then there is a FLAW with the AGE of the Space Jockey...  if Alien Engineers is SET before ALIEN which it most Certainly had to be because its SAFE to assume Peter Weyland was the Founder of the Weyland Company.

Then the Derelict would NOT have been on LV-426 for Thousands of Years.....

There are Flaws with the Draft... it does indicate the Wreckage of the MAGELLAN remains in much more intact than the PROMETHEUS.  The VICKERS MODULE remaining INTACT.

I think there is some Explanation to cover the Destruction of the MAGELLAN but its seems after the Crash there would be much more Recognizable Debris than is left from the PROMETHEUS.

So i think as a Direct Prequel it has Flaws and Needs a Tidy Up..   The PYRAMIDS rise from the Ground so they could Lower Back down again...

But in ALIEN the Beacon was from the Ship... so thats another Flaw!

The Date of 2172 is likely a Typo by Virtue of Mr Weyland and Weyland Industries so this is PRIOR to Weyland-Yutani and thus PRIOR to ALIEN.

So a WAY this Draft could have worked would be if the DATE was 2072 (or other prior to 2122). And that the EVENTS of Alien Engineers/Genesis happen  on another SIDE of the LV-426 Moon... 

And so it does-not indicate the Space Jockey Event, but it takes to a Similar Event so we could then Speculate the Space Jockey also suffered a similar fate just Thousands of Years prior and CRASHED on a Different part of LV-426.

If the Draft was Re-wrote to correct the Date and Indicate a Separate Event i think it would not Conflict ALIEN as much...   WHY i would even say Moving it to a Near By Moon like Lindeloff did with LV-223 would be BETTER.

There are things i like with those Drafts (Spaights) but there are things i am not a Fan of... it is TRYING to be a bit ALIENS as far as making WATTS (Earlier Dr Shaw) be a bit too much Gung Ho Bad Ass even more so than Ripley.

I think ALIENS Fans would Dig Alien Engineers a lot..

For me i would liked to had seen about 50-60% of Lindeloffs Draft with 20-30% of Alien Engineers and then 15-25% of additional FILLER to Merge them.

I did do TWO Alternative Prometheus Drafts that i had got about 70% through each before i LOST them.... these were mainly Prometheus/Paradise with Changes made by me so about 75-80% would been Lindeloffs work.. the Rest additions and changes that would have added some of what Alien Engineers had.. without really borrowing from it.

I had also started on a Alien Engineers rewrite which would have kept about 60-70% of that Draft.

I do think between Spaights work and Lindeloffs was the more BETTER Movie.... if they had someone else come in and Merge both writers works.

I get the impression that Weyland may have sort after Relics for a show of Power/Ownership like Owning a Priceless Piece of Art.

I dont think he finds any Value in them purely on a Religious Standpoint...  He would be INTERESTED in a Relic that could be of some Great Use to him...  if he believed this Relic held certain POWERS.... but maybe that would be Stepping a bit too much into the INDIAN JONES kind of Shoes...

I think we also have to NOT try and consider the Franchise as connecting too much to ANY certain Religion or Mythos but more in that there are Events related to the Engineers that had been passed down and interpreted as the basis for Various Mythos and Religions.

So in that Context, i think sure there may be Technology, and other Advancements or Tools the Engineers had that could have given RISE to various Stories of Certain Relics.

So looking at Peter Weyland and Prometheus... it seems there could be ONE Relic he would have hoped to Find! (if he believed in it that is).

That would be a Elixir of Life this would indeed be the Basis of WHY he wanted to meet the Gods... so they can Grant him more LIFE!  So indeed if David was to Discover something like this Exists and were to Find It maybe that could be Interesting....  it could be something that inspired things such as the Holy Grail.

What kind of Manifest to you think was so interesting to Peter Weyland?

In Regards back to the Acid Hole... i do think looking at the Image i made a few posts back, that it could open up the possibility of either..

*Someone goes to the Derelict after the Incident but prior to the Nostromo

*Some kind of Sabotage prior to the Derelict Incident.

Well, I interpret the year 2172 as just a flaw, the Magellan is blown to pieces, and the pyramids might be a bit further away from the Derelict. Let’s say they have failed in their terraforming task (no one maintains them) and the climate is terrible with no clear view.

The advantage with this is that we have a scenario which is consistent with Alien. We’ve got the explanation for what happened to the Space Jockey (Engineer), why there are xeno-eggs in the cargo hold and why the Derelict is there (on LV-426).

@BigDave

And if David(or whatever) didn't create the HOLE then the Nostromo's crew wouldn't have found the eggs....(probably headed back to the Nostromo The End...boring movie).

Daniels or T could have created the HOLE...Escaping from David ....or they are also looking for something?

 I just think that would be kind of neat and tie the prequels together.

The only reason this (w)hole mess started was finding the eggs. 

David = Peter Weyland and Peter like his Earth relics...So I think David would be interested the manifest.

For a NECA these are Very Detailed...

I dont own any at the Moment, but these certainly something to Consider and MUST for those who collect the NECA line up.

Certainly Chli

I think a Amalgamation of both Spaights and Lindeloffs works would have given a Best of Both Worlds.

I much prefer the work of Lindeloff but it did LACK a bit of Xenomorph connections..

Alien Engineers/Genesis does take place on LV-426 but its also Flawed... we have to ASK....  

*Why do we not see those Pyramids in the Alien Franchise?

*Why do we not see the Wreckage of the MAGELLAN?

This is also a interest part that is in BOTH the Alien Engineers Draft and Alien Genesis.

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HOLLOWAY

Tell me that's a natural formation.

(he grins)
Undeniable proof of alien
civilization. You were here on this
day, thirty-one December, year of our
Lord 2172. History will remember your
names .

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More than just a Typo perhaps?

But certainly a number of Aspects of those Drafts should have made it into the FINAL DRAFT  they did-not have to give us Xenomorphs, but certainly something similar a different Variant or something to give us more of a indication...

And also the ONLY actually Death Scenes caused by a Aggressor was via Fifield and the Engineer, plus the Hammerpede a more Xenomorph like Fifield (as in Drafts) and another Xenomorph like Monster would certainly have HELPED.

@MonsterZero

I think it depends on HOW is David going to be connected... i am not sure they would be giving us Biblical Relics and looking at your comments its seems you Speculate the Derelict had been there for a LONG TIME before David and that he has some Agenda to access the Ship.

I think thats a OPTION... if say the Ship was already there, the Engineer revealed to be infected with something more like the Neomorph or a Deacon.

David arrives, has to Access the Cargo Hold and indeed causes the HOLE... he then does something to Activate the Urns so they Dissolve/Explode like in Alien Covenant but David also has some of his Eggs in that Hold so that they become INFECTED with the Explosion and so the DNA of those Eggs is spread across the Cargo Hold and then we see those EGGS start to grow!

As far as the Deployment of Eggs... again its really Flawed...

It would be a Hard and Labor Intensive Task to Carry the Eggs Manually, maybe they only Need to Drop off say 10-25 Eggs a Time, likely to a Few Continents to Ensure they would SPREAD across a World.

But this would take a lot of Work, Time and Risk!

Dropping them like Bombs makes No Sense!  When also looking at the Cargo Hold and HOW would this happen?

The revelation of the Space Jockey as the Engineers who do-not have a Problem with Self Sacrifice could give us another indication.....  MAYBE.. this would have been a Suicide Mission?

The Space Jockey would LAND on a Planet, then somehow some Door Ways open up and the Blue Myst is then Turned Off so that the Xenomorphs can Escape... but then the Franchise seems to indicate that Close Proximity is needed and so IF the Space Jockey had LANDED it could take some TIME before any Curious Life-forms come to Inspect the Ship and become Infected in enough Numbers to allow for a Infestation?

How many Crew does a Derelict have? Could they go out and ROUND-UP some Victims and then Shove them in the Cargo Hold and then Escape to the Safety of the Pilot Room?

Having a Separate Sacrificial Room where Hosts could be Rounded up and Contained and then some Device that would PICK a Egg from the Cargo Hold and Transport it to the Sacrificial Room would make sense...  (take the Hosts away from the Ship once Infected). However the SHIP is simply Not Large enough but then the same can be said with the Cargo Hold.

The Separate Cargo Hold has been debated before... we have NOT seen the Underside of the Derelict, and its obvious the Derelict and Juggernaut have Differences so we CANT assume they are the Same.

They could be similar but have different Functions, and so we could Speculate that their is a Separate Cargo Hold that is Attached under the Derelict and the Ship then would have to just DROP off the Cargo Hold which could then maybe Open up like the Xenomorph Egg does and allows the Eggs to be accessed easier by anything that gets Curious.

This would make Sense, and would maybe FIX the issue of the Cargo Hold Size and HOW it could not FIT in the Ship.

But i think it would remain as just a Oversight we have to Accept, maybe the Space Jockey Size likewise.

“it’s hard to tell where the suit ends and the wearer begins, but it’s not a synthetic. It’s definitely a life form”

I think Certainly this indicates that Marlow likely realized it was some kind of Suit, it seems they dont give too much away so as to NOT conflict any Future Prequels, by that as far as describing whats beneath the Rip Cage Hole.

I think as i pointed out before about the Chair in Prometheus Contained a Suit and so IF the Space Jockey was a Engineer (or related) then they  could likely be walking around in a Similar Suit like in Prometheus.

These Close Ups show the Under-Suit seems to Merge seamlessly with the Engineer so it would be hard to see where the Suit Begins, it could even be Permanently Fused with the Engineer and so WHEN the Engineer gets into the Chair and the Space Jockey Suit then Attaches to him then IF the Engineer Dies and you have a HOLE in the Outer suit, if you looked inside and saw a Engineer in the Bio-Mechanical Suit beneath you would NOT be able to work out what is a Suit and what is NOT.

The suit itself (Under-suit) is Very Organic looking.

IF we assume the Space Jockey was similar to a Engineer, then they could walk around in that Under-suit and get Face Hugged, and then they get to the Chair to SUIT UP.

When it comes to the Doors i also agree their Technology is different and so what appears as a OPEN Doorway with NO Doors could be sealed up with a Door as we are shown this with the Cargo Hold in Alien Covenant.

So the Cargo Hold opens up to Form a Hole in what before seemed a Seamless Hull so Certainly the same could apply to other Entrances and Doors.

What if there is something special in the cargo hold?...something the Engineers had taken from Earth two thousand years ago? And David is seeking this item(he has a cargo manifest from the juggernauts orrey?)....Some ancient astronaut artifact(Skull of ? or something biblical ...I think RS would love something like that.) 

I would say that the novel points out that the Space Jockey is not just a suit. It’s a suit with a desiccated body inside it (I don’t think the facehugger attacked a suit :) ). You would see the body inside (what’s left of it) if you peer into the hole in the suit. The hole is in chest hight so you would see a petrified, torn open ribcage if you had a peek (which Dallas, Marlow and others did).

When it comes to doors, I think it would be reasonable that they function like in Prometheus? They can shut by themselves if a safety alarm goes on. And you can open and close them with a security code. You won’t see the doors until they are closed.

As for the cargo hold, it certainly is reasonable that there is an entrance somewhere so that you can load and unload the cargo. The cargo hold of the Derelict contains xeno-eggs with the purpose of exterminating unwanted life-forms. My guess is that the juggernaut would have to land on a planet first. Then they would open the door to the cargo hold, fetch some eggs and place them in a couple of places on the planet. The rest would take care of itself . . .

In retrospect, I think that Spaihts’ screenplay would have made a better movie (I have read the screenplay a second time now). Not that Prometheus was a bad movie, but it was a disappointment to Alien fans (including me) since they wanted to see the xenomorph. So they were kind of fooled.

Spaihts’ screenplay would have given the audience (well, most of them) what they wanted and Scott wouldn’t have been forced to re-introduce it in AC.

Spaihts’ screenplay gives us the best of two worlds: We get the Engineers and the creation theme, we get David and Shaw, and we get monsters: the neomorph and the xenomorph (and an ultramorph). The neomorph is really scary in this version.

The screenplay isn’t as complicated as Prometheus turned out to be. For instance, there is no pathogen. The Engineers engineered the xenomorph (to wipe out worlds). It is also obvious that the Engineers’ DNA (through scarabs) have evolved mankind. Furthermore, the planetoid is LV-426 (not LV-223) and the pyramids (24) are made for terraforming (which is unclear in Prometheus).

I could see David pouring Xeno acid to create the hole....(How else could he enter the cargo hold... The doors/hatch have long since fossilized and no longer work. Can you store Xeno acid in glass? Handy to have that stuff. Probably faster than a laser cutter?)

Maybe he's in search of Engineers relic(s) (crystals? or something really nasty)

No need to refer to anyone as "fucking idiots", K.Gibson. Argue the topic, be passionate with your response, but refrain from being crass towards your fellow members.