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WARNING, this is a BigDave (sorry bro) style TLDR post...

A hard reboot is the last thing I wish for the franchise. While a remake could be superior to the original in every technical way, the fanbase would prefer the 1979 original, making such an endeavor fruitless.

As I have said before, the ideas I have and continue to propose take everything we know from the movies (IMO the one and only canon) and attempts to tie them all together into one cohesive narrative. I imagine the Alien franchise like a 1000 piece jigsaw, but with no "completed image" on the box, and only half of the pieces. Some pieces fit, some don't, and we have no idea how all the pieces are meant to fit together. But through speculation and deduction maybe we can piece together the jigsaw, possibly in a way that exceeds the originally intended "completed image"?

For example, I previous speculated, as BigDave will remember, the possibility that the egg morphing scene in Alien may have resulted in Dallas siring (after being Facehugged by the Facehugger hatched from the egg Brett was morphing into) a Queen -  as a means of tying Alien and Aliens together cohesively. But with Alien: Covenant we were shown that the Xenomorph is more adaptable than we previously thought - in Alien 3 the Alien was shown to take genetic traits from its host, but its method of reproduction/propagation remained unchanged. Covenants Neomorphs showed that the creatures could, in fact, adapt their reproduction method with the spores and spore sacs deviating away from egg and Facehugger route.

Together with the different appearance of the creature as depicted in Alien and Aliens, the conflicting forms of reproduction shown in Alien and Aliens (egg morphing and Queen), and the different points of ingress taken into the derelict this opens up the logical probability that Russ and Anne Jorden discovered a batch of eggs within the exposed arm of the derelict (the Queen variant) that differs from those discovered by Kane in the egg silo (the egg morphing variant).

Yes, we could just accept that the Jordens did, in fact, discover the egg silo as James Cameron originally intended, but the difference in appearance and reproduction method is a glaring inconsistency between the two movies. Yes, Cameron postulated that his Aliens were merely mature and had as such lost their smooth carapaces, but this was contradicted by Alien: Resurrection. I'm just trying to make the pieces of the Alien jigsaw fit together in a way that maintains the mythology we all wanted, and I believe we still want.

As Chli contends, and I agree, David creating the Alien is a BAD idea. But it also flies in the face of the continuity we have been shown. In Prometheus, we not only see a fresco depicting a Xenomorph and its lifecycle but in its closing scene, we see that one is born, through a somewhat elaborated and contrived version of the very same lifecycle from said fresco (Shaw = egg, Trilobite = Facehugger, Deacon = Chestburster). We were also shown by the Hammerpede's acidic blood and Fifield's original mutation that the black goo mutates whatever it contaminates with Xenomorph traits.

The black goo and LV-223 show as Janek perceived that the Engineers weaponized the Xenomorph. But which came first the eggs or the goo? Either the engineers created the goo and later developed the eggs (making the Space Jockey an unfortunate Engineer) or they discovered the eggs and developed from them the black goo (Space Jockey remains as another race). Space Jockey preferences aside, I believe the answer to this lies with the Engineers. Despite allegedly having space-faring technology 2000 years ago the Engineers are primitive - their language is Indo-European (thousands of years old), they operate their vessels with a wooden flute, and those depicted in Alien: Covenant and their city are not even modern, nevermind advanced. Together with the Engineers DNA results (gathered by Shaw and Ford), which showed us that the Engineers have human DNA, which according to Shaw predates that of modern humans suggests that the Engineers are primitive humans that somehow left Earth (with subsequent visitations possibly being to add to their number), evolved physically, and were granted sanctuary on Planet 4, with a chosen few granted biomechanical augmentation (as seen in Prometheus) to allow them to operate the space-faring technology that their primitive demeanor suggests isn't their own. So if the Juggernauts are not of Engineer origin, and the Space Jockey is, as most of us prefer, not an Engineer then who is loaning the Engineers the technology and why?

The Juggernaut in Alien shares an aesthetic with the Xenomorph, suggesting some kind of relationship between the two. Many of us, myself included, have speculated that the Juggernauts are living vessels (Farscape's Moya, Lexx, and the Vorlon ships from Babylon 5) and that the Juggernauts and their pilots are connected in more ways than just physically (emotionally, mentally, sexually). Those that align with the belief that the egg silo is a cargo bay to the derelict postulate the possibility that the vessel itself may be a surrogate mother to the eggs or the eggs' actual mother. However, the cargo bay depicted in Alien: Covenant and the Juggernaut vessels depicted therein and in Prometheus show no such bulbous cargo bay beneath the Juggernauts. Which brings us to the logical conclusion that the eggs discovered by Kane were in fact within a large subterranean structure or cave, atop of which the derelict Juggernaut docked with. Returning to the preferred choice of a non-Engineer Space Jockey and everything mentioned above we can speculate logically the possibility that the Space Jockey was responsible for planting the eggs within the structure/cave before falling victim to said eggs - the eggs of which were either planted, or possibly "laid" by the aforementioned sexual unison between the pilot and the vessel.

If the eggs were laid by the Juggernaut vessel, then this opens up the possibility that the Space Jockey and the Xenomorph are of the same species. This may seem like a stretch, especially when considering the perception many have of the Alien being a manufactured bio-weapon, but both possibilities can be true. Many have speculated the Engineers may have been sterile and unable to reproduce, but considering the likelihood they are primitive humans, and that we saw thousands, maybe millions of them on Planet 4, including females, this theory is now moot. However, if we juxtapose this theory onto the Xenomorphs it opens up a possible backstory that the Xenomorphs became sterile, likely due to augmenting their DNA with biomechanical technology... Facing extinction they developed a new method of reproduction, one which used their biomechanical technology to create a biomechanical shell - the Xenomorph we all know and love, that would be born from and acquire useful genetic traits from living hosts (being unable to reproduce themselves). This new lifecycle was made possible through a nano viral AI of which David discovered. These biomechanical shells would be devoid of intelligence, emotion, and conscience, making them the perfect biological weapon. But hidden within the nano viral AI lies the knowledge, history, and consciousnesses of the Xenomorphs of old. If the biomechanical shells are allowed to flourish they will in time develop the means of accessing said knowledge, allowing said shells to become the hosts of this knowledge and to transcend into an intelligent race - the new Xenomorphs.

Going back to the Space Jockey and the Juggernaut. If one such vessel was responsible for laying the eggs on LV-426, it is a logical deduction that they will have been other such vessels performing the same task elsewhere, opening up the possibility that there are many caches of eggs throughout the galaxy/universe. This possibility allows future sequels to avoid endlessly returning to LV-426 while at the same time magnifying the sense of dread the end of Alien left us with. For me, the first movie was an analogy for the dark unknown emptiness of space, and with the size of this void vastly overshadowing our own existence together with the possibility that we may just be the only living planet within said void is a daunting and terrifying prospect. Additionally, mankind's biggest fear is of the dark, of that seemingly endless void. Our fear imagines the darkness to be alive, filled with unknown and unspeakable terrors. But what if our fears where realized; that among the endless void of space we are the only ones left and in the shadows, there are monsters, hordes of them, hidden in every shadow waiting for us.

Finally, and again apology's for the TLDR post, despite being primitive the Engineers on Planet 4 unlocked some of the secrets of the eggs and developed a means of weaponizing them as a black goo, which would, in turn, be deployed by urns (another example of Engineer primitivity). Some have speculated that the outbreak on LV-223 was no accident. Could it be, as we were shown in Prometheus that the Juggernauts being sentient ordered the chosen Engineers on LV-223 to unleash the xenomorph weapon on Earth, and remembering that Earth was their homeworld some of the Engineers rebelled against those fearful of the Xenomorph, releasing the black goo on the brethren? It is also possible that said rebellion and the abandonment of weaponizing the black goo came from the Engineers somehow using the destructive nature of the xenomorph to instead create life, as depicted in Prometheus' opening scene. Such heresy could explain Davids decision to bombard the Engineer city on Planet 4 if he had somehow uncovered the nature of the black goo and its intended purpose either through his contact with the substance or his experimentation with it using Holloway and Shaw.

I'm looking forward to.

LOL. Every time someone says that Alien is cooked, I'm laughing. And every time louder and louder. ;)

Alien is Alpha and Omega of this franchise and all movies must have xenomorphs. Like as Godzilla (no one in this world will look a separate film about MUTO's or Monarch) and James Bond. This is a title character.

Each film has its own Alien: Big Chap, Warriors, Queen, Runner, Mutant, Neomorph. Potential - is endless.

But company, androids - it's just optional parts. Engineers are more - but still a part. Potential - depends on Alien.

Cheers!

I can see where Gavin is coming from, and certainly we have to remember Originally the Starbeast was a Ancient Species that Built those Birthing Ritual/Sacrificial Pyramids, where their Species Spore/Egg Stage are kept and Hosts are used to Procreate this Intelligent Species, and indeed Ridley Scott had intended to show the Xenomorph to be more Intelligent than it was in ALIEN.

Then we come to HR Gigers Mural which was to be placed over the Egg Cargo Holds and that he suggested had Pregnant like Bio-Mechanical Bellies that would Create/Lay the Eggs... and he also said the Derelict was GROWN.

While Ambiguous....

We can see this Mural indicated the Derelict Ship has a shared Aesthetic/DNA if you would with the Xenomorph and its indicated the Ship actually Produces those Eggs.

The Humanoid Space Jockey race appear to Self Sacrifice themselves for this Organism (Xenomorph related).  This species also PILOT the ships where the Chair seems to be purposely created for that Race (Space Jockey).

I think the biggest thing to ponder is therefor.... WHO/WHY created the Ships/Technology and if it was not the Space Jockey, then WHY are the ships created to cater for them... what does the Space Jockey gain from this?

Again with the Sequels (ALIENS) and Prequels (Prometheus) we are shown things that seem to imply the Queen/Xenomorph are not a Species that then go around Creating or Growing more Ships.... but we cant rule this out.   Ridley Scott however saw the Eggs as a Bio-Weapon, and this seems to be his stance for many years.

It does appear that Originally had he got to make ALIEN 2 then we would have gone to a ALIEN World, that would have been very HR Giger, and it appeared the Xenomorph would have been revealed to had been Intelligent and have their own WORLD.

I think Gavin is toying with exploring similar....

I think maybe it could work as a Reboot of sorts...  And in the defense of his idea....  if we loaded up a Ship full of Babies with a Adult who could make sure they have everything they need but do-not teach those babies anything.  Then the World or Island you take those Babies too, so they can start a NEW would not be able to BUILD anything if they are NOT taught and would in essence become CAVEMEN..

So yes we can ask WHY cant the Xenomorphs do the same if they had the knowledge passed on by their Ancestors?

I think it would be a bit of a U-Turn to the Prequels though, and also the Xenomorph has been diminished, and maybe this could help ELEVATE them back on track?  But what does this do to the Prequels and our Engineers etc?

Why i feel introducing another Species a Bio-Mechanical One that are above the Engineers could work, where they can be used to then ELEVATE the Xenomorph.

"I don't know about Gavin, but I'm not saying that the xenomorph is a hyperintelligent being, BigDave."

Certainly i did see what you meant ;)  i think its Intelligent certainly, but not as far as Building Ships etc... and i understand you was not suggesting they could do this ;)

The Xenomorph certainly is a adaptive Species, a TRUE Survivor. We could easily see that it could ADAPT and Evolve to its Environment in a Rapid way instead of say how long Natural Evolution and Selection would take.

I think if you look at it from the Engineers POV, and we dont ignore the Plot which RS keeps saying these are Space Gardeners, and if we assume they Genetically Engineer and Create Life...   Then if this is your Agenda/Goal then some Species like the Xenomorph would have a WEALTH of TRAITS that would be ideal for them to attempt to Re-Engineer and Incorporate both in terms of Genetics and Technology and so its feasible that the LV-223 Engineers had used them to Evolve themselves and their Technology.

This is a Plot that some may overlook, the Pursuit of Perfection and Evolution, we see this with David and his Xenomorph is a Amalgamation of Various Organisms best Traits...

For David could have just as easily collected the Neomorph Spores and just used them for his Evil Plans.. But he saw the potential in the Black Goo to be used to further Evolve the Neomorph and Utilize Traits of Various Organisms to make the Perfect Organism.

If we IGNORE that movie... then we could speculate the Engineers could have done the same/similar with some Organism they had encountered....  the Basis for all those Experiments on LV-223.  Could this Organism had been the Xenomorph?  Certainly at the time of Prometheus...  or at very least some Organism that is related that the Xenomorph was Engineered from.

I think theory like Gavins... cant be ruled out, certainly to a degree when we look at HR Gigers Mural... that was intended for ALIEN but things got changed a bit in the Prequels.  Seemed to indicate they (Engineers) encountered something that they used their GOO on to extract and Utilized various Traits to at least create Various Organisms related to the Xenomorph, but potentially also to Engineer themselves and their Technology.

The differences in Aesthetics between the Derelict/Space Jockey and Engineers/Juggernauts does open the door to the Engineers Reverse Engineering the Derelict/Eggs which then brings us back to WHO was the Space Jockey in this case.

Welcome birdman

Indeed the Mural was interesting and vague, merely a Easter Egg maybe? Some use it as 100% Proof of the Xenomorph but in reality it bears little resemblance to the Xenomorph, well it more so looks like a Cross Between the Deacon and Neomorph...    Carlos Huante had some Concepts for the Xenomorph and Ultramorph for Alien Engineers draft, and while there was variations... these ones below seem to indicate what was in the Mural.

Indeed the Neomorph and Xenomorph have similar Stages, in effect the Spore Balls act like Eggs, the Released Spores act like the Face Hugger.

Davids notes indicate that he had taken the Neomorph Spores and they had been tested on Various Life-Forms he had then used the Black Goo to take/mix various traits of Various Organisms and mix them with the Neomorph.

Then this Species was then mixed with Dr Shaws Egg Cells to produce his Xenomorph.

How was this possible?  I think if we look at the GOO in Prometheus then look at the Scarabs in Alien Engineers and look at them being the same thing... then its quite simple.

"The question is: what was first, the black goo or the xenomorph?"

Certainly is a important Question, one that in Prometheus it appeared to indicate the GOO predates the Xenomorph (considering the Xeno was Thousands of Years old at this time) and Alien Covenant even further suggests the GOO predates the Xenomorph.

There was a connection, where prior to AC we would be looking at the GOO either came from the Xenomorph or a Ancient Related Organism, or the GOO came from another unrelated means and is merely a Creation Tool (most likely).

I can agree with your last post daliens ;)

I recommend for those who have not, or have not for a while... to go and read Alien Engineers, and also Paradise Drafts then consider what is the GOO and i feel it explains it all quite simple.   The Weyland File released after Prometheus and Alien Covenant kind of Muddy the Waters a little to much.... prior to those the GOO was very simple really.

"Furthermore, the eggs found by the Jordens must have been of the same kind as the ones Kane found "

Again chli i think Alien Engineers acts as a Rosetta Stone to Decoding Prometheus and the Franchise.

It indicates the Engineers had Engineered 7-8 Variants of the Xenomorph that are stored in Separate Cargo Holds. If we take that on board then we could look at the ALIEN Eggs and ALIENS Eggs are TWO Variants each with a slightly different appearance and method of Procreation.

If we look at that, then we could speculate maybe there was more than TWO Variants on the Derelict and this could open up for the Discovery and Introduction to another Type of Xenomorph.   I assume this idea from Alien Engineers was used as far as the Various Temple Mounds in Prometheus, i think we could speculate that Each had a different Strain of Black Goo.... so potentially the ONE has a base of Deacon DNA, the other (David took his Juggernaught from) had a base of Neomorph DNA.

I think a theory about the Xenomorph being the ones pulling the stings, for me in part is interesting.  But i just dont get the impression that the Organism that we see as displayed in ALIENS shows any signs of Creating Technology like the Derelict.

The Space Jockey is very connected as it seems like the Ship was Tailor Made so that he could PILOT it...  I think when we are looking at WHO is the TOP of the Hierarchy i think the BIG Question is to ponder WHO BY/HOW was that Technology Created and for me the Space Jockey or some Race/Machine we have yet to see would seem to fit the bill more than the Xenomorph... this does-not mean we cant have a Organism that is RELATED to the Xenomorph.

I would even think if we explore that some other Species uses the Xenomorph as Hosts as Interesting.... if these are used to clear a World...  then the Starbeast either uses the Xenomorphs or Egg Morphs for some purpose to Procreate their kind (Starbeasts).

Revealing a Race like this that can Control the Xenomorph and be a Race that has Total Control over them could make the Xenomorph more of a Threat... if not less Unpredictable.

I would say the Ultimate aim of those Human Companies are to CONTROL the Xenomorph too, and Re-Engineer from it to benefit their own Genetics, and Technology... which we could see as what the Engineers could have done in the past.

:D

I don't know about Gavin, but I'm not saying that the xenomorph is a hyperintelligent being, BigDave. I'm simply saying that the xenomorph could be looked upon as a species that has evolved due to specific harsh elements in the environment. They have evolved into what they now are. They might not even exist anywhere else, only on LV-426.

Let's say that the extreme environment on LV-426 got even worse. The food supply disappeared and all the adult xenomorphs died out. But, the eggs survived, waiting, until the engineers stumbled upon them.

The engineers probably learned about the xenomorph the hard way, that's why the xenomorph lifecycle is depicted on the wall on LV-223.

I don’t see the xenomorph as intelligent as you propose, Gavin, and I don’t see them flying about in spacecraft with the purpose of destroying worlds. I see them as a species which has adapted superbly to the harshness of the galactic environment. It’s an extremely viable species - a survivor.

But I buy the idea that the engineers discovered the species and then experimented with it and extracted the black goo (the mutagenic pathogen) from it. This was probably in order to make transportation safer. Instead of carrying lethal xenomorph eggs, they now carry its DNA in protective urns. The outcome is still the same, though: total extinction of unwanted life forms.

Furthermore, the eggs found by the Jordens must have been of the same kind as the ones Kane found - unless there are different kinds of races or perhaps different species within the genus xenomorph. In the novelization, Russ and Anne go down a ramp to a space somewhere beneath the cockpit. The egg-morphing scene was deleted in the theatrical version and then put back in again in the director’s cut, but it might be possible that, in an isolated environment, the xenomorph can change both sex and way of creating offspring.

I pay to watch a Xeno crying David's death, while he declaims, with his long extended mouth, a Shakespeare poem:

"Acid tears washed by the rain!"

Also keep in mind the spores from the local flora on LV-223 in Prometheus infect humans and bang the neomorphs are there. Maybe that's the source for both the engineers and David for their experiments, if that's what went on. Maybe David wanted to mimic the neomorph organism and with the help of the black goo, he was able to create the xenomorph as a new breed which doesn't rely on little flora puffballs for spore dispersal, but rather the EGGS (replaces the puffball flora) and the facehuggers (replaces the spores) are the new thing David wanted.

I believe there is 100% proof in Prometheus that David did not create the original xenomorph organism. The mural on the wall above the "tomb" appears to show some form of xenomorph and the life cycle of it as well... like the engineers knew about it's life cycle well before the arrival of the Prometheus. However, the forms of xenomorph and facehugger on the wall are reminiscent of Giger's original facehugger design, and the xenomorph looks like a blend of neomorph (head shape) and xeno from Alien (hips). Plus, the tomb itself seems to have the rear end of some sort of xeno head sticking out the top of it like it's been crystallized and the rest of it is being held in some sort of stasis inside the tomb. Since I saw this mural, it made me realize that the xenomorph, or at least some form of it, has been around for a long time before the arrival of the Prometheus.

It's in the movie, and not deleted material. It is canon, therefore the xeno form has been around a bit.

So... did David create the more familiar form? Maybe the black goo in the ampules DOES ultimately bring all users/experimenters to a form which is "the perfect organism"...

Cheers!

The question is: what was first, the black goo or the xenomorph?

IMO the black goo was first, it was created by the Engineers but because it was unbelievably chaotic and impossible to control once it got out of the controlled environment, proving catastrophic for the Engineers themselves, they created, with the black goo, the xenomorph. The xenomorph,  with its lifecycle was easier to handle and although it was equally dangerous as the black goo, it was in a way controllable: each xenomorph needed a host and the eggs could be kept in stasis under a layer of blue mist. The eggs could be easily destroyed if needed. So, while it killed all meat, as the black goo, the aftermath effects did not make the planet uninhabitable. 

For the Engineers the xenomorph was like the ultimate remote controlled weapon, and, even if they did not come to really worship it, they honoured it as an esteemed achievement,  a trophy. It was an AI after all, so some intelligence can be credited to the xenomorph.

Of course, we can claim also the other possibility, the black goo was extracted from the xenomorph somehow, this could be explained by the lack of eggs on LV223, since the Engineers were now only concerned to produce more black goo. Whom then that sculptured head from the Prometheus urns room belonged to? The first Engineers who discovered the first xenomorph egg? Where the urns from that room the first ever created, with the highest purity and potential? Will we ever find out?

I see Gavin that you would prefer a hard reboot of the franchise, but I wonder what would be the benefit of having cache of eggs spread around the universe? How do you see future films based on this hypothesis? Like a perpetual remake of Aliens, with Colonial Marines sent over and over to eradicate the xenomorphs? However this hypothesis might be appealing to Disney, at some point I see even an Alien-Star Wars crossover possible.

I do prefer to know that only few xenomorphs are at large somewhere, thus making the struggle to capture, not kill them more thrilling.

One of the things I disliked about Aliens was the large number of xenomorphs, larger than the number of bullets brought on by the Colonial Marines. I feel it was Aliens and the subsequent Aliens comics that diminished the xenomorph, not the fact that he was created by the Engineers or even by David (although I am still convinced that David has nothing to do with the eggs from LV426).

If something is in the works....   Then ALIEN DAY would be the ideal place to Tease or Confirm it.

Looking at that Interview daliens i get the impression this draft is what Huante had read before he even PENNED a single Concept.... so this ALIENS like Draft was not any of the Alien Engineers Drafts.

Some of those concepts are interesting, especially the 36-38ft tall Alien like Creature.  Which its unused design seemed to influence the Concepts that Huante had done for The Arrival, regarding the 33ft ALIEN being.

I like these very ALIEN designs... i would welcome this with a little HR Giger Twist as far as the introduction of a Race who Created the Derelict Technology who either are above the Engineers, or the Engineers STOLE and Re-Engineered their Technology from.

Using something like these as the STARBEAST? 

Yes Please.

"I still contend that the eggs were discovered on LV-426 by the Engineers and experimented on and weaponized on LV-223,"

I think if we throw out Alien Covenant, then its something to be considered...   but the only way that makes sense really would be that the Engineers Discover the Derelict and the Egg Silo, and they Re-Engineer their own Technology and Experiments from all of this.

Which then shows us the Derelict and Space Jockey are NOT connected to the Engineers, but then we still have to then ask WHO is the Space Jockey then?

If the Derelict is created by the Xenomorph, and they enslave the Space Jockey as Pilots... i think its NOT the best way for a Intelligent Species to Seed their own kind, by relying on a Species that CAN be infected by the Xenomorph Ovamorph/Eggs.

I still think introducing another Species that are the Creators of the Derelict/Bio-Mechanical Technology would be something NEW to introduce..  Then these use the Space Jockey as a Slave Race...

Or THEY are the Space Jockey...  I am just not convinced the Xenomorph would be best to be used as some RACE at the Top of this Chain.....

I guess maybe if the Xenomorph has another Stage in their Life-Cycle where they Evolve a little we could accept it.  But then its HOW do we fit the Queen in with this?

Apart from a Experiment or Hybrid/Evolution that takes a different path.

Thanks for the Share and Effort i will look into this

I think indeed it would be interesting to ponder how many Worlds have Xenomorph Eggs Stockpiled upon them.

I dont mean to come across Disrespectful though, just my opinion is that i have concerns if the Franchise Expands by giving us this Xenomorph that Spreads itself across the Galaxy, and in return we just diminish the Engineers and what the Prequels had opened up.

If the Universe is expanded as far as there are Hundreds, Thousands of Worlds/Places that have these Ancient Xenomorph Eggs and we get Egg, Face Hugger, Chest Buster and then Big Guy and Queens... i think it basically just restricts the Franchise to be Centered just around that ONE Xenomorph Organism.  How many times can you have people going to Discover Eggs and get Face Hugged and Repeat?

I have not really came across anything from any Movie that shows to me the Xenomorph are a Race that can Create Technology, and Travel Across Space, Building these Egg Silos to store their own kind.

Thats not to say we cant have this... i think we need to look at the role of the Space Jockey, so is this being just a Slave/Servant to Carry out the Task for the Xenomorphs to Spread them across the Cosmos?

Whats in it for the Space Jockey?   Was they created by the Xenomorphs and its Indoctrinated into them that this is the Purpose they are Created for?  Do they do it out of Worship of the Xenomorph, is their a Fear/Forced Element to it like the African Slave Trade was.

Are they given a kind of Existence by the Xenomorphs, where they are kept Safe and can Prosper on a World, but this Covenant would require Sacrifices... and selected Space Jockey's to Pilot the Ships?

Why would the Xenomorph Task the Space Jockey to Pilot the Ship of their Off-Spring?  Especially with how the Space Jockey can be infected with the Xenomorph and if this happens it can impact the intended Target to where these Eggs are intended to be Shipped?

What with the SOS... what difference would Compromised Cargo matter to a Xenomorph Race... they could just send down a Ship and then Recover the Cargo.

Would it NOT be more Foolproof to Pilot the Ship with Xenomorphs if they are that Intelligent that they created the Ships and Egg Silo's?  Maybe because they know the Risk Involved and so use a Slave Race for such Perilous Missions, but then if such a Race is Intelligent would they NOT want to make sure many Thousands of their Off-Spring arrive at the intended Destination Safe and in One Piece?

If they are a Race who have a Fear about Losing their Lives then on one hand, yes maybe they would not want to Risk a Adult in the Pilot Chair... but having but the Lives of Thousands of your kind in the hands of a Race who can be Infected by Infants of you Race that could end up having the Ship NOT end up where you intended.. seems very flawed to me.

I just get the impression the Xenomorph is a Invasive, Parasitic Organism, that gets spread around the Galaxy by either the Space Jockey Race, or by species who come across them and in Curiosity or Greed attempt to take their Eggs on one of their own Ships...

I just get the impression that the Xenomorph is something that a RACE could use as a Bio-Weapon, for Protection.  Something that could be used to Deter Enemies, or use on Enemies or even to go in and Clear Up Worlds of its Inhabitants so that the World can then be Occupied/Take Over (this especially works well if the Xenomorph has a Limited Life Span).

So i would think that the Space Jockey use the Xenomorph like this... be it that they Engineered/Created it for this Purpose, or Engineered them from something else for this Purpose... or simply Discovered them and used them for this purpose.. in which case they used their DNA/Traits to Create their own Ships and Technology.

OR.... the above Role remains True but its another Species that use the Xenomorph for those purposes and they use the Space Jockey Race (Engineers) to Pilot those Ships in return for something.... or they are worshiped by the Space Jockey Race for what ever reason.

I just think the Space Jockey was NEW and something never covered, compared to the over done Xenomorph, and while the Prequels may  NOT have been the best way to cover the Space Jockey and the Creators/God's Plot may be a bit of a Distraction in context to its links to our Creation and Religion/Mythos etc.

I think to downgrade the Engineers/Space Jockey and to Emphasis the Franchise on Queens and Eggs is going to be a bit limiting compared to the Potential that the Prequels opened up. (Prometheus/Alien Engineers).

Regarding the Prometheus Clues, and Worship of the Xenomorph (Deacon) then i have my theory, which surely does not place them as Gods (Xeno/Deacon)  but something that gave Great Benefit to the Engineers or at least those LV-223 ones.

It would be like lets imagine the Company Obtained the Xenomorph... there is more to it than using it as a Bio-Weapon... you could study its Make-Up and use Traits to Engineer/Evolve Mankind, use Traits to Create New kinds of Constructive Material to use in your Technology/Construction.

If we could HARNESS in Mass a way to replicate Spider Silk, and the Genetic Construction of the Spiders Anatomy as far as its Exoskeleton.... the  Strength compared to Weight of the Spiders Silk, and its Exoskeleton could make for Great Advancements compared to our current Construction/Manufacturing Materials (Plastics, Metals).

This is how i see the Derelict/Space Jockey Technology and Xenomorph (its Ancestor) or they are all Created by some other Species.

Thats just my TWO Cents though... does-not mean any other ideas are not interesting, i just feel it could be FOLLY to center the Queen/Eggs as the be all that ends all of the Franchise, but i think many would actually want it to be about the Xenomorph.

Just when i see the Derelict Scene, and see the Alien Movies, i just dont get the picture the Xenomorph is the ONE who are pulling the strings...  but thats not to disrespect those who do.

It is actually from Giger's art that I imagine what the Xenomorph once restored with their intelligence would look like...

But back to the topic in hand,

I still contend that the eggs were discovered on LV-426 by the Engineers and experimented on and weaponized on LV-223, with the derelict possibly being one of the xenomorph vessels responsible for planting the eggs on there, only to fall victim to his own cargo/offspring. I also contend that the eggs discovered by the Jordens and the Hadley's Hope colonists in the broken arm of the derelict (eusocial variant) were not the same as those discovered by Kane (egg-morphing variant).

As for the fate of the eggs, I prefer to believe they have become radiated and no longer truly viable.

Maybe we could revisit LV-426 one more time to uncover this fate and its consequences with the revelation in said movies closing scenes that there are many more caches of eggs out in the vastness of space; thus instating a sense of overwhelming threat to the franchise and allowing sequels/prequels to move beyond LV-426 and expand/explore the wide mythology.

Maybe this what Neill Blomkamp had in mind. But of course, the main case of contention for those against Blomkamp's proposed movie is the return of Ripley and the possible retcon of Alien 3 hinted at from Hicks and Newts return.

If however Blomkamp could remove said characters from his proposed movie and explore what I mentioned above, then I would be onboard for his movie being the next Alien movie.

One interesting thing is that most people who watched Alien back in the days probably didn’t notice all the sexual symbolism which was an important part of Giger’s work. It wasn’t explicit and Scott also wanted to show as little as possible of the monster. I wonder if all the sexual elements subconsciously affected the audience in some way?

As for Christian symbolism, since this topic is about eggs :), the egg symbolizes birth or rebirth of Christ (Easter). In this context, we have the (perpetual) rebirth of the xenomorph . . .

I think Gavin has a good point when he says that the Alien Universe would shrink and become less frightening and less open if the Engineers engineered the xenomorph. The universe would be more interesting and terrifying if there are galaxies with solar systems and planets filled with different kinds of species -some benevolent and some extremely dangerous.

Some of the books which are set within the alien universe (canon or not), e.g. “Out of the Shadows”, play with the idea that the xenomorph is a species and the eggs can be found on many planets throughout the universe.

So, if the engineers didn’t create the xenomorph, what were they experimenting with on LV-223? As Gavin points out, the engineers could have found the egg cave on LV-426 and used the eggs in their experiments. I don’t see the xenomorphs as intelligent enough to have an abstract agenda, more like ants. The question would then be why there weren’t any adult xenomorphs on LV-426?

Anyway, if the engineers on LV-223 worshipped the xenomorph, seeing the potential in the species, they might have extracted the black goo from it. Consequently, the pathogen contains the xenomorph DNA, which Gavin points out, and therefore transforms the ones exposed to it in the direction towards a xenomorph (the hammerpede had acid for blood, the trilobite, the deacon etc).

"I just fear there has been so much Damage to the Xenomorphsince after Alien 3, which includes Movies, Games and Comics that its Hard to place the Xenomorph in a Role at the Top of the Hierarchy."

For many audiences, the most impactful moments in a movie are the opening and closing scenes. With a good movie the former seeds their interest, pulls them into the narrative while the latter, being the last element of the movie they'll remember helps shape their entire experience of the movie - think of how a bad or mediocre ending reduced your opinion of a movie.

# Alien - Only Ripley survived & a cache of thousands of deadly Alien eggs remains.

# Aliens - Ripley survives again, with friends and "seemingly" the eggs have been destroyed.

# Alien 3 - Ripley dies, taking with her possibly the last specimen of the Alien race.

# Alien: Resurrection - Ripley survives again, with friends and "seemingly" all the Aliens have been destroyed.

# Prometheus - David and Shaw survive departing to discover existential answers.

# Alien: Covenant - David survives again, holding 2000+ colonists hostage.

With the Alien franchise, the best endings were with Alien and Prometheus, whereas Alien 3's ending feels poetic, as for Aliens, Resurrection, and Covenant, their endings feel generic...

My point?

Alien and Prometheus' endings were the most impactful because of the possibilities they offered and the threat they posed. As such, imagine an ending to the next movie but using my theory, whereby a character asks some ancient Alien interface the simple question of "How many", referring to the number of eggs on LV-426, but because the question is so open-ended the interface answers completely, showing an ever larger map of the galaxy/universe and that their caches of eggs hidden throughout. Such an ending takes the conclusion of Alien and magnifies it exponentially.

Such a conclusion married with a movie that returns the Alien to its prominence as an effective antagonist, is IMO what the series needs and what we as fans want - a return to form.

dk, yeah "The Matrix" and "Equilibrium" are both great and despite the fact they're mostly action oriented and not horror/suspense, they do have some "Alien"ish overtones to them (specially "The Matrix").

And I totally agree with "Virus" lol... that's on my list of movies with "Alien" vibes I WOULDN'T recommend alongside others I have already mentioned like "The Relic", "Apollo 18", "The Last Days on Mars", "Red Planet" and "Ghost of Mars" (thankfully along came "The Martian" to somewhat redeem Mars based movies xD ).

Of course there Is The Matrix and Equilibrium.

I would not recommend this though:

Lone, indeed it was! I thought it was a great movie. I didn’t hear very good things about the tv adaption sadly though.

Batchpool, that looks like a fun watch! I have to admit to watching “The Room” twice with friends and it was a super fun experience, so maybe I’ll watch this one too! Those “so bad is good” movies can be fun as hell to enjoy with others.

Chris, woah, thanks for the feature! I just recently joined this forum but it’s fast becoming one of my favorite places on the web right now.

NinXeno426, oh cool! I'll be sure to check that thread out, thanks! About "Ghots of Mars", I thought about that one when I was making my list and I get it's supposed to be a B Movie but sadly I didn't find it very enjoyable at all, but its cool that other people liked it.

So, I just thought about more movies to add to my list that I think have “Alien” vibes to them and that are really good in my opinion… None of these movies are set in space but all of them feature very menacing monsters/aliens/creatures/animals/entities that pose a great threat to the protagonists and that generate a fair amount of tension in several scenes of said movies.

First, another one of my all-time faves, “Cloverfield”. I absolutely love this movie, I remember having so much fun watching it in theaters when it came out and I really loved the mysterious marketing campaign behind it. Terrific special effects, creature design and very tense scenes (the subway scene with the parasites greatly reminded me of “Alien”). I enjoyed the other movies in the “Cloververse” but to me this is by far the best.

This one I have always thought is one hell of a underrated movie, and its  “The Ghost and the Darkness”, I think is really awesome, to the point that I always put it together in my mind with "Jaws” among the best killer animal movies I’ve seen. The movie has great scenes of extreme tension (without spoiling much, that dream sequence in this was one of the most horrifying moments I’ve ever experienced while watching a movie), great special effects and terrific acting. A must watch for me.

This is kind of a weird choice, and it’s a movie I recommend with some caution cause apparently is one of those films you either love or you hate, and its “It Follows”. I really loved it and found it very unnerving, creepy and weird, but I’ve read A LOT of people saying it’s a piece of boring art house crap (not unlike the reaction a lot of people had to other indie horror films highly praised by critics like “The VVitch”, “The Babadook”, “It Comes at Night” and “Hereditary”). The foreboding and feeling of unease that the entity in this movie creates in the viewer reminded me greatly of “Alien”.

“The Faculty”: This one is a kinda silly and fun movie that fans of classics like “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” should enjoy, and I’m sure most people on this forum must be familiar with it. I think its great fun and it has nice creature effects in it and some self referential humor.

“The Descent”: This movie really left an impression on me when I first saw it, for a number of reasons, one of which was that the movie has very tense moments even before the first creature makes its appearance. The feeling of isolation and claustrophobia the movie gives off reminded me a lot of “Alien” and it has very creepy moments and really good scares.

This one I find really weird that no one have mentioned it already, and its M. Night Shyamalan’s “Signs”. I really liked this movie, and how it mixed incredibly tense moments with some humor. I remember being hugely creeped out with the scene of the newscast about the brazilian home video. Really great flick.

“Annihilation”: I had very very high expectations of this one because of how much I loved Alex Garland’s previous feature, “Ex Machina”, and even though I liked it, it didn’t blow me away like I thought it would. Still, it’s a really solid and thought provoking movie, and it has one sequence of immense tension related to a creature that´s memorable as hell and very reminiscent of the “Alien” movies. For quite a while I have been thinking that Alex Garland would be a GREAT fit for the “Alien” franchise in my opinion.

“Sphere”: This one I hesitated a lot of putting it on the list because is one of those movies that for me, it began really REALLLY interesting and suspenseful, but then about midway through it began to lose steam and it ended up being kind of a mess, at least for me, but the movie has its strong points (atmosphere, set design, visual effects, acting) and it has a good score on IMDB so despite my gripes with it I decided to include it because it seems a lot of people enjoyed it. Either way I say, again, I’m sure most people on this forum have probably seen it already.

This looks pretty ambitious. Thanks for giving something to watch for.

http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/48402

Forgot the link lol

You're most welcome Decs.Here is a link to a thread I ran on Outland s while which includes a trailer as well as a link provided by Lone to her own editorial on the film.

Another movie I might recommend is Ghosts of Mars directed by none other than John Carpenter. It's a pretty fun b movie,very comparable to Event Horizon.

I think when looking at any theory, i think we need to consider and hope this is to be explored...

That there has to be more of a Coincidence that the Derelict and Egg Cargo/Silo do have a Aesthetic shared with the Xenomorph to a degree..

And also that the Derelict Ship and its Pilot Chair look Purposely Built/Grown for the Space Jockey Pilots.

The Question is WHAT is the connection and in what ORDER is the Role of those Elements...  SHIP, the PILOT, the CARGO and so which is the Hierarchy of that Order?

Ridley Scott with the Prequels and his ideas prior seemed to paint that the Order was Space Jockey ==>Ship==>Cargo.

Some these ideas on here seem to be more a Fan of Cargo==>Ship==>Space Jockey

HR Gigers work seems to be a bit Ambiguous to either of such a Order.   Can we Elevate the Xenomorph back to more of a Role than merely being a Super Advanced form of Weapon?

I am not so sure.... it could work, but it could back fire badly..  Introducing something similar but different and ancient maybe could work though.

I just fear there has been so much Damage to the Xenomorph since after Alien 3, which includes Movies, Games and Comics that its Hard to place the Xenomorph in a Role at the Top of the Hierarchy.

Ha Ha.... Nice Point Leto!

Maybe the more AI element that RS was on about is David attempts to create the Perfect Automated Tea Making Service.

@Thoughts_Dreams

I think for most, they would see no way that David could Redeem himself due to how he was in Alien Covenant.... and a World of Humanoids that he created would be hard for Fans to attach to, especially if they are Vastly Superior.

the only way your gonna get any Sympathy would be to show David as a Kind Creator/Leader to his Creations, then have the Humans Turn up and some of these are EVIL SOB'S as lets Face it while RS may think the most Horrific Dangerous thing about AI is when it becomes Sentient and Determines we are just Cockroaches on Earth then we are in TROUBLE...

We can look at Engineers as Evil... we can look at God from the Bible as Evil at times, as far as a bit harsh! but they have reasons for it...

But in reality Mankind is Neutral for the Most Part, but you can have some Wonderful Kind Humans... but then there is through History a LOT of very EVIL/WICKED and Cruel things that Mankind has done..

So YES we Humans are the Ultimate Evil....

Making Humans the Bad Guys could work... it could make Davids World a bit more like that in AVATAR though... and for it to work you would have to have some Sympathetic Humans to David and his Creations, who go against the Wickedness of some of the Human Antagonist....  but where we have a FEW new Human Characters as the main Protagonist.

But its a case of WHO could fit such a role?  Daniels?..  Maybe they KILLED Dr Shaw off to early ;)

@hox

Indeed i think if we consider such a concept... it takes their Technology to a whole level of Alieness.... something which HR Giger had touched upon when he thought the Derelict was GROWN ;)

@Gavin

I think the ideas you have are kind of interesting and maybe a way to go.. regardless of if we have the Xenomorph Elevated or introduce something New or have the Space Jockey as NOT a Engineer... i think getting to something Dark and very Alien/Lovecraftian is the way to go.

Prometheus however opened up a lot of themes... some are worried about all the Religious Stuff... but dont worry i dont think the Emphasis would have been on... about connecting the Bible Literally!    I think a lot of people OVERLOOK that David is the Proxy! what we are seeing with David could be the Repeating Theme and Answers.

(and so God Created Adam and Eve, so he can praise and love them and allow them eternal life in Paradise)

Is this really the Creation Point, as far as replace GOD with the Engineers?  The Sumerian Mythos is OLDER and basically shows Mankind are Created to merely replace a Rebellious Slave Race!

I feel the Franchise is more closer to that.... and so in this context when  looking at HR Gigers Concepts, we could get the impression that the Space Jockey Humanoids are playing a Role to Sacrifice some of their kind and Pilot those Bio-Mechanical Ships to Seed those Eggs across the Galaxy...   we can ponder some other Race/Species is at the TOP of the Hierarchy and they require those Humanoids for this Purpose but in return those Humanoids are granted LIFE, Limited Knowledge and Technology... like maybe how the Engineers Granted Mankind.

So then in this case, we could look at those Humanoids (Engineers) had Rebelled and then became the New Gods, and maybe Created Mankind for a not so Benevolent Reason... or those who Created/Used the Engineers had Created Mankind to replace the Engineers.

I think in any Continuation/Changes we would have to keep to some of the Themes the Prequels explored but then look at how we can TAKE them to the Next Level, rather than THROW them out.

Regarding the SEX.... shame on YOU!!! LOL

But indeed a lot of HR Gigers works are very related and the whole Xenomorph, especially as far as ALIEN was very Sexual and Sadistic as far as its Agenda/Procreation.

When we look at HR Gigers Mural for ALIEN, then indeed it does come across very Sexually Reproductive, where it depicts the Ships are Giant Reproductive Vessels.

The Question in this CONTEXT is how... when we look at HR Gigers Mural, and if we accept its indicated the Ships or Cargo Hold Produce the Eggs, then how does this happen?

For most LIFE it requires a Male/Female or certainly a Egg and Sperm..... it appears that the Deacon in Prometheus required these, but one had to be Mutated by the Black Goo.

David required Dr Shaws Egg Cells to achieve his Xenomorph... I had envisioned a few years ago if the Engineers Needed Females to be connected to their Ships to Produce their Horrors via use of their Egg Cells.

What if the Space Jockey is Female? 

Or if not... is the Pilot Male and not only is he the Pilot who is trapped in his Chair... but also the Provider of the Seed (Sperm) to allow for those Eggs to be Created?

I certainly think if HR Giger was alive then its his Twisted Head/Mind that Writers should be getting into as far as how to have explored the connection between that Bio-Mechanical Technology, the Space Jockey the Xenomorph/Eggs and WHY they would Seed Worlds.

Another hypotheses:

- the derelict crash landed on LV426, coincidentally on top of a cave full with xeno eggs, the pilot went down to asses the damage, entered the cave, looked upon an egg and bam! he gets facehugged. Regaining consciousness he tries to take off regardless of the damage and the chestburster only allows him to activate the warning beacon.

- the derelict was there to ship the eggs, found in the cave from LV426, elsewhere. There is a temporary failure of the blue mist generator than kept the eggs in stasis and one facehugger went out, looking for Mother.

- the derelict came to LV426 to off load the eggs in a safe storage facility. Something went wrong shortly before landing, a neutrino burst causes a blackout that disables the blue mist generator, awakens the pilot from cryosleep and the two meet.

- the derelict was hired by the xenomorph race to transfer the eggs to a hospitable planet where hosts were abundant as on their own planet all meat was already extinct. The pilot was warned about the heightened risk and how important the blue mist was for the safety of the trip. A neutrino burst, frequent in the area, disabled the blue mist generator, the pilot went down to check if the colonists were safe and sound. They were all still in stasis, except one.

I think Thoughts_Dreams you have a right to be concerned with a David Franchise, indeed he was a Ass-hole lol

The thing is a Good Ass-Hole is always good... David as a Villain is not bad... but it comes down to something you BRING up a lot.... Good Characters... so when you make a movie about a Villain who is being a Arse-Hole to people... then IF those people that David is being such towards and Characters who we cant connect or have any Empathy for then it all goes to £%&%!

If David killed off Daniels and Tennessee at the End of Alien Covenant or if they are killed by him Off-Screen like what happened to Dr Shaw would masses of people MOAN about their Loss?  Not Really.... so Better Characters could Elevate David as a Bad Guy but you need a Good Guy to become the Main Character instead and this Character is the ONE you have to route for... and who the Hell is that gonna be?

Maybe Walter... but then as Robots... its hard to get Fans to feel about a David vs Walter as the Main Characters... ok maybe a Aliens vs Predators is similar.... but i feel that making the Franchise now more about Androids.. and less about the Xenomorph and Space Jockey really is STEERING to FAR from what was ALIEN about Alien!

some of the Themes are interesting and i can see HOW it is that David fits... but i think these Themes are a bit BOLD for the ALIEN Franchise and are a Distraction for most Fans.

The ALIEN Franchise came across like 40% Ripley, 30% Xenomorph, 15% Other Characters, 10% Company Greed and 5% Mystery.

The Prequels seem to be looking like 40% David's Journey, 20% Xenomorph, 10% Engineers/Space Jockey, 10% Other Characters and 10% Mystery

For both Franchises i feel the Emphasis on David and Ripley is TOO MUCH!  The Franchise should-not and was not about Ripley and should also not be about David.

"try to make something different or maybe pick from those, I am not sure how that would be"

I think thats a Good Point.... looking at your whole last Reply, i think we can agree that when people look at the Alien Franchise, and they see Eggs, Queens and Ripley and YES the Queen/Eggs are very ALIEN the Alien Hive is Very Alien.

But once this has been done to DEATH.... its ok whats NEXT!

And so we are Familiar with Eggs... the First Time we saw the Eggs in ALIEN it was Epic... the whole Cargo Hold all that Technology/Architecture that was very ALIEN.

The other Aspect of ALIEN that was more Alien was the SHIP, and its Pilot...   Very Surreal, Very Alien and EPIC.

I am sure if you asked EVERY Alien Fan say at the time of Alien Resurrection, we are gonna make a Prequel about the Space Jockey Race/Technology and they knew AFTER the First Prequel the 2nd we would get the Movie about a Synthetic and the Space Jockey Race are quickly shown and shown more in context of a Ancient Human Settlement...

I am sure that as of 1998 this kind of idea would be TOTALLY against what seemed so ALIEN about the Derelict and its Pilot.

So yeah... the next movie thats 70% about a World Created by a Android that has NO Aesthetic connecting to the Derelict and HR Giger and that only say has 0-10% Xenomorph and 0-10% Engineer as far as the appearance in Prometheus would surely NOT be how Fans would have Expected a Prequel about the SPACE JOCKEY Race to have turned out.

Too much about David may fit the themes... but it would make the Franchise LESS ALIEN.

"Would we not, as Alien fans, want the Xenomorph to return as the primary threat and an overwhelming threat poised to spell the end of all we know while retaining the mystery and alien nature that attracted us to the creature in the first place?"

Certainly it would be interesting to make the Xemomorph a threat again, i think with Alien Resurrection, the AVP Movies and countless comics and Video Games the Xenomorph had been downgraded quite a lot as a threat!

I think its a HARD task now.... the Xenomorph has been reduced quite  a lot... but then so has the Space Jockey by Virtue of the Engineers and especially with Alien Covenant, so could we ever take them Serious as a Bad Ass Threat?

Its a bit of a mess at the Moment where the MAIN threat seems to be from letting AI get out of control and so David is NOW the Ultimate Threat of the Franchise... which many just cant buy into...

I think we need a New Threat that we can all maybe Buy Into.

I think the Xenomorph has came across as the Ultimate Hubris of Dont Mess about with Stuff that you should not do, and would not be too far from IF say Mankind Engineered a Hybrid Human/Ant that became a 50/50 Hybrid Race of 6ft Insectoids.... with Human Intelligence... oh boy would Mankind be in trouble then....

Thats not to DUMB down the Xenomorph as a Bug... but its to show that messing about to Engineer such a Organism as the Xenomorph was a really Dumb move for whoever created it.

I do think maybe in HINDSIGHT the Prequels should not have been done and just leave the whole Origins and Space Jockey as a Mystery.

When i go back to ALIEN and at that time, or even after ALIENS... I saw the Xenomorph as being Very Connected, even if we looked at it as a Bio-Weapon it was so very connected to the Derelict, in which case we had to ASK so what is the Purpose of the Space Jockey.... Slave to Spread the Xenomorph or Master of a Horrid Bio-Weapon.

Thats the TWO conclusions i had back 25+ years ago.

BigDave I honestly don't believe the crucifixion pose of the xenomorph in the Prometheus mural has anything to do with the sacrifice of Jesus or any other sacrifice of the xenomorph. It is there just for the beauty of it, at best it is a spoon fed indication that the Engineers from LV223 worshipped the xenomorph. What more powerful religious representation than the crucifixion can be for the viewers? The Engineers from LV223 had no idea about Christianity, only the producers of Prometheus thought that showing it in this way the mural would not pass unnoticed. 

I know David's drawings are not canon but they can hint to the direction intended for the prequels:

"Returning to the notion of integration and biomechanical concerns, I would posit that lessons learned here could and should be applied to the ultimate maturation of the Engineers’ direction if not their literal fate. Through the virus/Xenomorph as glorious synthesis and poetic culmination of the species. And an amusing biblical one at that.

What I get from the text above is the Engineers from LV223 were concerned about aquiring biomechanical traits through the virus/xenomorph and result was seen as a glorious synthesis and poetic culmination of both species. Somehow this got out of control and we had the outbreak of LV223, leading to the death of all the Engineers  save one, who clearly showed some biomechanical traits.

So if they did not create the xenomorph,  at least not the biomechanical one, they tried to synthesize both species (Engineers and xenomorphs) into something superior to both. Obviously they failed.

However, if David was able to create his own xenomorph using the virus on the flora/fauna from Engineers home world, and he tried until he achieved the xenomorph in its traditional form, we can speculate that he learned how to do it while flying the Juggernaut to planet 4, or later, in the citadel, having all the time to study the Engineers history/culture/science.

Great topic, upvoted AND featured so more fans can discover it.

Personally, I loved LIFE and EVENT HORIZON. Another one I've always loved was THE THING, both original and the reboot.

Also, I was unaware of some of the films listed here by some of you, surprisingly so thank you for that! I will be looking these up!

@ daliens,

You misunderstand my theory - the Xenomorphs remain a bio-weapon.

Currently, most fans see the Xenomorph as a bio-weapon created by a higher power (Engineer, Space Jockey or other), and used by said high power to enact their nefarious plans.

With my theory, the orchestrator, the instigator, the higher power is the Xenomorphs themselves. Rather than attack the human race and others, potentially losing thousands/millions of their own kind the Xenomorphs make themselves into the perfect weapon, to be coveted and utilized despite the evident dangers of such a deadly weapon. The result - the Xenomorph wins, its enemies destroy themselves and in the fallout, the Xenomorphs return to their former intelligent state.

The goal of my theory is to return the franchise back to the mystery and threat we experienced in Alien while accounting for all of the deviations the franchise has thrown at us with the sequels and prequels.

Would we not, as Alien fans, want the Xenomorph to return as the primary threat and an overwhelming threat poised to spell the end of all we know while retaining the mystery and alien nature that attracted us to the creature in the first place?

@ Hox,

Your idea suits the possibility I propose that the Space Jockey could have been one of the ancient Xenomorph pilots that were tasked with seeding the devolved eggs that would carry on their race.

Having adopted biomechanical technology this ancient race seals their doom and their extinction, but uses said technology to create a nano-sized viral AI substance - the black goo that will imprint onto any organism a devolved version of the genetic template of their species, but also holds records of all of their culture, discoveries and history - the intention being that should their "children" be allowed to flourish they will in time unlock the secret to accessing said information and regain their consciousness and intelligence.

The eggs would be the purest form of these devolved children, transported throughout the galaxy/universe by the bizarre sexual/mental/emotional bond of the last remnants of the former members of this race; foster parents in the male pilot and the female vessel.

On LV-426, like many other worlds and moons the mother-vessel, the juggernaut landed and, as Hox suggests augments a cave with biomechanical growths, or allows such a biomechanical growth to mature, a growth which uses the nano-sized viral AI substance to produce thousands of eggs.

Unfortunately for the Space Jockey pilot before he and his vessel/mate can seed another cache of eggs on another world/moon the pilot falls victim to one of his children.

Intruder Within- sounds perfect for the MST3K treatment!