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Thanks Dane Hallett!

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Thanks daliens!! Got it, finally :) 

The Xenomorph was not alien, but created by the Company.

Then the 1979 movie and the franchise would be called The Company? Yeah, that would probably anger almost the entire fanbase.

Glad we have what we have.

You ONLY have One movie ready to go and it's 'alien...rebirth' (don't like 'awakening'). An alien  movie is much more than a movie. it's an expantion and connection of the Ridley Scott's universe (Blade Runner and alien movies). Ridley Scott is not eternal and This is an oportunity of a lifetime to all the people of Disney and fox that love movies and an incredible chance to make history, allowing that we can watch One last time his vision of a world with a Monster like alien. His movies Will be watched by audiences in the Next 200 yearS, at least. He is One of the greatest. I think he tried to imitate on some way the Kubrick style in the prequels, leaving lots of ideas incepted in other ideas, creating infinite conjectures to unify the story as a all. That's why i'm here with you, guys. I love the flaws and the errors of his movies, as much as i love the perfection of his art on filming, a neo- realistic expressionist style. With alien covenant, he honored the gothic vision of h.r. giger, in a biological way. The androids are like wet dreams (maybe they are the result of the biomechanical vision of h.r. giger) that represent the masculine empowerment of Ridley Scott and h. r. giger Over women. The alien is the instrument of death, the weapon used by filmmakers and creators that love to express their arts through murders. Ah, the question of ages, do humans need to love death to enjoy life?

For me , Ridley Scott solved this Simple equation,

Alien = Fear.

He needs to solve it One more time. 

"it would be difficult to think of a sequel to Aliens."

Well i think it depends... they have options.

1) Reboot Alien 3! i think this could open up the avenue for a Alternative Alien 3, Alien 4, Alien 5 Blah Blah... i think as well as removing a movie from Canon, you have to ask what can they achieve with this route.  How many times can we have the Same Formula Over and Over..

You need something a bit different.

2) Have a Mission back to LV-426 after the Destruction of Hadleys Hope! This could be done 5 years, 10 years, 25 years or 50 years after ALIENS.  Again its a case of if we go this route then you can have another 2-3 Separate Alien Movies (as in not a Ripley Story) but its a case of just replacing a Ripley for someone else is NOT going to be enough of a change, you have to again start to do something a bit different. 

3) Have a Mission go to LV-223, Planet 4 or Origae-6! But its a case of how different are we talking to a Aliens or Alien Resurrection or even Alien here, and again do they give us something different to the Traditional Xenomorph?

4) Have a continuation to Alien Resurrection! Then you dont have to go the Ripley 8 route, but there could be a Few ways to do this, or again we can wonder what happened to the Queen from Ripley Clone 7.  But again its a case of do they give us something different to the Traditional Xenomorph?

So you can replace/change some Elements, but i think changing too much may not SETTLE well with the Core of the Alien Fanbase..... and we have to ask would doing something thats Aesthetically different to the Alien Franchise Queen and Xenomorphs please Fans?  Such as say how the Deacon and Neomorph were Different or are Fans going to Expect or Want a Traditional Xenomorph.

I think having the Xenomorph Explored to be more Intelligent or Controlled could be interesting...  It depends how they do it!

I  would not be a Massive Fan of the route above though, maybe this would be a End Game Objective... but i think having the Synthetics like David being able to have some connection like Hive Mind would be more interesting.

I mentioned on one of my Topics, that we could see David Re-Engineer those Human Embryos to make a Superior Human Race...  IF he then further tries to add more of his Xenomorph DNA to these Humanoids, a Hubris of that would be if these beings gain a Hive Mind that can then Control the Xenomorphs..   And so David would have made the same mistake of his Makers... by Creating something a bit too Superior with Consequences...

David seeing his Creations Manage to have a Hive Mind between them, and Rebel against him, then see him use Humans or other Humanoids as Hosts for Xenomorphs to then Destroy his Wayward Creations... only to then discover they can Communicate with the Xenomorphs via a Hive Mind Link would place David in VERY BIG Trouble.

I am just not sure a Majority of Fans would want to even Ponder such a Plot or Continuation to the Prequels.. i think for some the Prequels are a BAD Memory... and they would see the Xenomorph as its OWN  very Ancient, Intelligent Species and NOT a Engineered Creation by Androids, Mankind or Engineers.

"The USCSS Patna was likely en route to LV-426 to salvage any eggs from the derelict under the cover of salvaging whatever"

I certainly think thats Plausible...   you could go further down the Rabbit Hole as far as Conspiracy!  For example that Bishop had a Secret Mission to investigate Hadleys Hope, see whats to be obtained and the Risk Factor... Make sure that any Survivors are Neutralized, so the Marines are used to just CLEAR out Hadleys Hope... so that LV-426 only has Eggs and more Easier to deal with Face Huggers.

Yes this goes against Bishops Actions to Save Newt in the Final Act of ALIEN...  but as a AI this means they could be Programed with TWO Objectives in a Sleeper Cell way... so Bishop will not be Aware of the other Actions when W-Y Activate his other Directive.

Regardless of Above... i do think having the USCSS Patna  sent out behind the USCSS Sulaco is viable.  The Question is would their Arrival had happened during, or after the Sulaco Mission to LV-426?

If it was after, and they are incoming and then Discover the Destruction of Hadleys Hope but they decide to head there to the Derelict...  just as they are heading there, i THEY indeed get information about Ripley has a Queen inside her, then surely turning around to Obtain that would be the most Logical Less Risky Approach to take.

So yeah Gavin that makes Perfect Sense ;)

The Patna Comando's certainly seemed to be better equipped to Protect Against Eggs and Face Huggers.

"A TV series without a Xenomorph?"

I think its a Good Point to raise, i think while there could be much more to the Franchise than the Xenomorph, it appears that a Majority would expect ANYTHING related to the Franchise to revolve around the Xenomorph, and all other Side Plots and Ideas are just that a Side-Plot. 

So Sadly Trying to Emphasis on other Elements could just been seen as a Distraction to some Fans.  I Personally Applaud Ridley Scott for trying something Different, there is so much Potential with the Prequels as far as Expanding the Universe, but it appears this does-not settle well with all who may want the Franchise Contained within a BOX (Tent-Pole).

I think while the Association with ALIEN is the Xenomorph, i think we have to remember that bringing the Beast to any Format as far as Movie or TV/Streaming is something that is NOT going to be Cheap...  due to the Special Effects to pull it off, unless we do-not see the Monsters Much, and so we NEVER really see it Fully, that could save Money on NOT needing to have Full Body Suits/Animatronics or CGI.

I would say and this is just my Opinion, that you would have to ASK where do you take a TV Series about the Xenomorph anyway?

I think you cant have it take up a massive part of the Screen Time due to Financial Reasons, and i think you Run the Risk the more you show the Beast Over and Over the more chance it becomes a Space Jason Voorhees so you have to think carefully how and when you use the Xenomorph but have Side Plots that are Well Written and Engaging. 

I think the more you continue the Same Tropes, then maybe you run the risk of it becoming Stagnant... but some Fans would not mind...  For me  i think you cant keep having a Similar Plot of,  Helpless Humans end up coming across Xenomorphs, and Revelations that its all a Plot by the Sinister Human Corporations to Obtain a Xenomorph, and then we have a Protagonist Hero/Heroin come and Save the Day!  More so if its going to be VERY action Based, Run, Shoot and Hide. 

I think you need to look at some of the Expanded Mythos and Incorporate that but find the Balance.  But some of these Expanded Mythos appear to be a Distraction for some Fans who want to have Story about the Xenomorph and some about Ripley and could not CARE Less about the Company, Engineers or their History/Agenda etc. Certainly a Big NO to more Fricken Androids...

I have to respect those Fans, opinions because indeed the Base Components of the Franchise were about the Queen and Eggs...   And so i think any ALIEN movie would be expected to connect to them, any ALIEN TV Show likewise.

Even if they try and do a BASED in the Universe but NOT about the Xenomorph, Movie or TV Show, you will still get a% of Fans wanting to know WHY it does-not have the Xenomorph in it or linked... 

If you make a Alternative Story within the Universe that does-not carry the Alien Name or Related... say if the Show was Called.  Odyssey  which could be about Human Journey to Space Exploration and show the Rivalry of Weyland and Yutani in regards to trying to Monopolize Space or indeed other Technological Advancements which include AI/Synthetics.

The Problem would be HOW do they Market it and engage casual Fans, who may not even know about or know little about the  ALIEN Franchise?   And who would some ALIEN Fans feel about any Spin-Off that would NOT cover the Xenomorph or anything related to LV-223/426?

Would they be like "cool i never knew Odyssey was set in the Alien Universe, i think i give this a watch" or would they be like ONCE they discover that it is set in the same Universe they would be like "ok so when are we going to connect to the Alien or Ripley?"  or IF they know it was about the Universe but would not be about Xenomorphs would they be like "Nah think i pass on that"

I think IF they Give it a Weyland: Odyssey Title then more will expect a ALIEN connection, even more so if it has a ALIEN Title or is Marketed Heavy as being SET within the ALIEN Universe.    

Its a Catch 22, because IF there is NO Alien Related Name in the Title... which include Weyland: Prefix then its how do they drum up interest?

I guess we have to see how Ridley Scotts unrelated Stand Alone TV Series, Raised  by Wolves does...  Maybe trying NEW ideas should be left to Independent Stories that have NO connection to the ALIEN Universe and we should concentrate on more Popcorn Xenomorph type Movies?

I just feel its a SHAME... because prior to 2012 our Alien Franchise was about....  Human Conspiracy in a Greedy Corporations attempts to Obtain and Utilize a Parasitic Alien Organism  and using Innocent/Unaware Humans to obtain the said Specimen but Ripley comes in and Kicks Ass and Saves the Day!  I Question how many times could we see this repeated?  How Many times could we Continue to Revolve around Queen, Eggs and Xenomorphs without steering too FAR from the Aesthetic of the Monster?

You can replace Weyland-Yutani with United Systems Military or even IKEA!   You can replace Ripley with another Heroin or Hero,  (especially if in the same Mold).  If the Plot will be about said Company Wanting the Xenomorph that does-not defer much from the Appearance of the Queen. Eggs and Xenomorph then your kind of just Repeating yourself. UNLESS the other aspects of the Plot and Characters are Very Well done every time...

The more you stick to the same Tropes, then you have just as much chance of a AVPR Churning out than a Alien/Aliens.

Sorry for the RANT!

I Just Felt 2012 opened up and expanded the Franchise, and 2017 has kind of put that back into a Bubble! Once we have ALIEN 5, 6, 7 and Alien Xeno TV.... whats NEXT?

I feel other Elements could be explored in Novels, or TV Series but we mainly get ALIENY Novels Churned over and over and Comics...  there appears to be little Originality.

But thats just my Opinion, and i think more Fans are going to Enjoy such Avenues than NOT welcome  such ideas. them.... and Personally i think its the SAFER Money Maker for them.... and it ALWAYS comes down to what they think would make the most $$$$  MORE so with Disney.

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According to a special feature on the Prometheus Blu Ray Weyland Corp knew there was an alien signal coming from LV-426.

After a three trillion dollar expedition goes missing, with Weyland Corp's founder secretly on board, and his daughter chances are Weyland Corp ignored Shaw's message to avoid LV-223.

The Nostromo was rerouted to LV-426. Beforehand it had traveled from Earth to Thedus and then was en-route back to Earth - a round trip. Had the signal from LV-426 been received by the Nostromo on their return trip to Earth, it would have also been in range on the trip to Thedus.

Science Officer Ash, a covert synthetic replaced the Nostromo's science officer at Thedus, before the ship was rerouted to LV-426.

Weyland Yutani knew that Hadley's Hope had been subjugated by the Xenomorphs. Carter sent the coordinates to the very same source the Nostromo was rerouted to 57 years prior and the Sulaco was dispatched when contact with the colony had been lost, which would have been after the colonist medics attempted to remove the Facehugger from Russ Jorden and reported it to the Company.

The USCSS Patna was likely en route to LV-426 to salvage any eggs from the derelict under the cover of salvaging whatever hey could from the decimated colony but prioritized acquiring Ripley once they knew she had a Queen gestating inside her chest.

Together with Davids transmission shown in Advent all of this suggests that Weyland-Yutani knew what the Xenomorph was and where to get it, but their cloak-and-dagger actions suggest they were legally forbidden from doing so, suggesting that whatever was found on LV-223 was covered up and considered too dangerous by powers above Weyland Yutani.

Honestly I was never a fan of the Alien franchise being streamlined for TV. Like Leto and Gavin said, to me Alien belongs on the big screen. A TV series without a Xenomorph? I know there was rumor of an Alien TV series focused on the perspectives of Androids, but I fail to see how that could have any significant depth beyond 3 episodes if other aspects of the franchise, namely the Xenomorph were neglected.

I would be all for a series which aims to fill in the gaps between Prometheus and Covenant however. But there's no way Fassbender would sign on for something like that.

We likely would not get a star-studded cast, cliche dynamics and eventually the series would become bland. I see an Alien TV series detracting from the franchise, not adding to it. The anticipation and lead up to release are what made Prometheus and Covenant so huge, regardless of your appreciation or lack thereof for either. It was still more monumental and as a fan, more engaging and exciting.

I just don't want to see the Alien franchise bled dry. I would much rather see them invest serious coin into new films to expand the mythos.

Regarding what W-Y might know about the xenomorph (and LV-426), it’s possible, I suppose, that “they” know only what David has told them in Advent? All the information on USCSS Prometheus and USCSS Nostromo is destroyed since they are both blown up (There might not have been a direct contact link with Earth). Thus, they know about the xenomorph but not about LV-426 until Ripley tells this to the board (and Carter Burke) in Aliens.

But then we have what happens in AC2 . . .

"The Xenomorph was not alien, but created by the Company"

Back to the OT... i think yeah maybe they can RUN with some of these ideas as far as the Xenomorph goes, there is a bit to FLESH-OUT and cover from Davids Experiments, that lead to Special Order-937 and WHY they want the Xenomorph.  I think such a PLOT could Bum-Out some Fans, as certainly i feel a Majority wanted the Xenomorph to be Ancient, some even not liking HOW it was a Creation of the Engineers and would have liked to had seen the Xenomorph as a Ancient Species the Engineers tried to and FAILED to Harness!

So on the ONE-HAND we had this Draft/Idea of Giler and Hill that the OT has indicated.

But then we also have the ORIGINAL idea from Dan O'Bannon which indicated a Ancient Alien Species, that had disappeared leaving behind their Spore/Egg stage of their Life Cycle, that a other Giant Alien Species had came across and attempted to Study (well take back to their Ship) we could speculate that this Giant Race are our Space Jockey, and maybe this PLOT could be something to expand upon.

Certainly the Prequels indicated similar, in which the Engineers had encountered something they experimented on to then lead to the Various Experiments on LV-223 (Alien Engineers even indicating they Re-Engineered a Organism to create 8 different Weaponized Variants).

I think thats a Avenue to explore... either introduction of a Alien Species that has a Bio-Mechanical Atheistic and indicate HOW/WHY they had a connection to the Space Jockey...   or even IF they show us the Engineers Re-Engineered the Experiments on LV-223 from some Organism that is just as Parasitic and Animalistic as the Xenomorph... then i think they could introduce a Intelligent Species WHO had Created the Said Organism that the Engineers Encountered and Re-Engineered.

I think any such path would still not please some Fans, because it kind of Limits the Xenomorph to just being a Created/Engineered Organism and not some Natural Ancient Organism.

Sorry Mr Hill, but the only thing truly remarkable (alluring, unique, etc..) in Alien is the von Daniken "crap", at least imho.  What other movies written by him do people remember now? The Warriors,  The Driver, or Streets of Fire? Yeah sure the latter was ripped off by Capcom when making the beat-em up Final Fight and that is why I knew it and 30 somethings know it. Who has seen his latest movie The assignment? It has Sigourney in it...

On the we can say the re-write is Alex Jones crap, with the red silo being a giant lip stick which "turns the friggin' frogs, oooops aliens, gay"... do you understand. If you don't know the reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JRLCBb7qK8

I will have to look into that Novel... i was not aware of ALIENS: Original Sin... i kind of dont follow Novels too much, only Official Novels for the Movies. 

I think it wont hurt to explore some of these and read them.

I think the BIG QUESTION would be what route do they take with the Alien Franchise....  the Prequels do need Finishing but its HOW, as your not going to please every Fan.  And i feel a lot of the other elements will be CAST OUT in order to concentrate on the Xenomorph... i think you need to have it a little bit, it depends how many Prequels you do, if its ONLY ONE then i guess the Xenomorph role has to be considerable, but this may have to come at the cost of other Elements.

Certainly Gavin you have to wonder how much of a impact had David and Walter had on the Franchise, including the Prequels... sometimes TOO MANY Cooks.. Spoil the Broth!

And IF they have to be approached for the ALIEN Formula to be used, then even a Blomkamps Project may have to have some Input from them in order to use the Xenomorph/Weyland-Yutani and Ripley etc.

Which could affect things really, another thing is the HR Giger Estate, that limits some things also, because certain things may need their Go Ahead... or require paying for.

To be FAIR if we get a Alien 5 Blomkamp, then i would NOT right it off, i could see it as a Alternative Story like AVP and try and Enjoy it for what it is. Which i think its what Blomkamp Intended... so we get to ALIENS and then there is that FORK in the Road to TWO alternative versions of Events After!

It did appear that maybe they could PASS THE TORCH to Newt, but i Fear that Miss Weaver would want to play Ripley even if she hits her 80's and uses a Power-Loader to aid with her Mobility Issues LOL

I dont think a Character should be Bigger than the Franchise, even STAR WARS showed this... but then it did UPSET a lot of Fans who maybe would have liked to see Han, Leia and Luke ride off (in the Falcon) into the Sun Set at the end of EP9 or would that Continue to EP12?  Nope you have to introduce something NEW which SW EP7 attempted, but i FEAR that EP9 will be a Nostalgia Road Trip and be about the Original Characters, taking the Emphasis off Rey and Kylo Ren!

I think in Hindsight YES they could have done a different Alien 3 all those years back, and eventually Pass the Torch to Newt.   I would watch a Blomkamp Project if its done well, (well still watch it anyway) but i FEAR that the intention would be 2-3 movies that center around Ripley again, but my Main Problem with going for Alternative Sequels... would be what if they then give us Alternative Prequels, or a Alternative Alien!

Personally.... i think the Prequels could be finished in the Form of a Book!

I would also think a Literal ALIEN 5 could work if its done right, and explore the aftermath to Alien Resurrection.

AR sequel already investigated - book Original Sin. But for prequels need a film.

I agree that any ALIEN TV Project would not be ideal if its about the Iconic Monster, i think you have to bring this to the Big Screen!

I think the Ghost Busters is interesting, i think while we may get a Ghost Busters  3 (bring the Gang back) it would be NICE to see them Pass the Torch and introduce 1-2 NEW Characters who they maybe could then Carry On with as a TV Series.

Or indeed have a Alternative Ghost Busters Universe as a TV Series.. i think thats a Formula that could work well, with Each Episode being devoted to HUNTING of a New Ghost Encounter, so indeed just like the Real Ghost Busters Cartoon.

I think Gavin that could be interesting to explore.

I would not really call it Double Standards, while trying to be Respectful i think with the Prequels these are a case of covering something that had NOT been covered before in the Franchise.

This retaining to the Space Jockey/Race and Xenomorph Origins so i would say they are not any Nostalgia but just a subject you have to cover by doing a Prequel Series to touch upon those things that were NEVER explored within the Franchise.

I would say also that using any ideas that NEVER made it into any previous movies but where ideas in Drafts or Concepts that never made, would also not be a case of Nostalgia

Nostalgia is the Love, Enjoyment and Memory of something from the Past that holds a Great Deal of Enjoyment and Memories. 

So in context to a Movie Franchise its returning to what Fans Loved the most about By-Gone movies, and sometimes the Original Movies Formula is what works, so sometimes its best NOT to steer to far from it...    You can try and change it a little but then this can end up not working out such as say the Robocop Re-boot which tried to Re-Introduce the Franchise... some Fans were Not Happy, and the Movie certainly was not as Good as the First and this is a Problem with Nostalgia sometimes its HARD to recapture the Magic of the Originals..   and not many attempts become successful...   Blomkamp is working on a Robocop Sequel to the Originals, bringing back the Same Cast... again i think this is Nostalgia Kicking in, the same can be said for Ghost Busters, the Soft Reboot with Female Ghost Busters did-not go well and so they are now going to consider a Direct Ghost Busters 3 to bring the Gang Back!

I am not so sure these would be any good, but certainly Nostalgia can make MONEY!

In context to ALIEN 5 i would not say that Bringing the Xenomorph back would be Nostalgia its a Pivotal Part of the Franchise, and like Gavin had said, the Beast does not need to be Tied Down with Stories about Creation and Gods...  i think there was NO harm in this as far as expanding a Franchise, but i feel any ALIEN movie would have to be more about the Xenomorph and some of those Elements from the Prequels have become a bit of a Distraction.

I think having another Ripley ALIEN Movie would be a bit of Nostalgia thats just my Opinion, but i also think its something that could make more MONEY..   I just think you have to have the Emphasis on the Xenomorph, the Creators of it (a little) be that Engineers or AI, and also about the Company but the Main Thing has to be about the Xenomorph.   I dont think the Franchise has to be Tied Down to being about Ripley... leave that for Star Wars...

That being said i think a Return to Ripley could work, if we carry on from Alien Resurection and maybe get 1-2 Movies from this...  but i think you also have to introduce something NEW and different while also retain a good share of the Xenomorph.

My Concern for doing a Bring the Gang back ALIENS sequel would be that IF they do this and the Movie FLOPS! then what do Disney do then... as this would be like Playing your Trump Card Early.  And they would be in a Pickle!

The second and main Concern is IF such a route went ahead and it did WELL then we could get Ripley ALIENS 3, 4, 5 etc etc.  And also IF they (Disney) see that Ret-con of a Movie (Alien 3) works well, its WHERE do they STOP!

Reboot Prometheus 2, bring back Dr Shaw and KILL off David?

Reboot Prometheus and have some Elephantine Tapir like Alien Species!

How long then before say Cameron or Blomkamps could be like LETS Reboot Ridley Scotts ALIEN...

Personally.... i think the Prequels could be finished in the Form of a Book!

I would want to see another ALIEN Movie Franchise that would be about the Xenomorph but can then explore other things in the sequels... that WILL-NOT be about or have Ripley or David!

I would also think a Literal ALIEN 5 could work if its done right, and explore the aftermath to Alien Resurrection.

I agree with Emma Watts on this one. Yes, serialized/streamed content allows greater character development but the harsh truth is that some franchises are better suited for the small screen, others for the big screen.

Take X-Files. It worked brilliantly as a weekly serial, not so much when brought to the big screen. And while I would love a true Ghostbusters 3, I think the franchise would be better suited for the small screen, essentially as a live-action reimagining of The Real Ghostbusters, but with a new team.

Of course, there is the spin-off route whereby we could have small screen shows that don't feature the alien but instead focus on Weyland-Yutani or the Colonial Marines. While these shows would undoubtedly flesh out the aforementioned elements of the franchise, there would be a desire by executives to at least reference the alien, which in turn would cheapen and lesser the character.

Alien works best on the big screen, it is just that Fox (and now Disney) need to figure out how they want the alien to remain relevant to both modern audiences and fans. To do this the creature needs to evolve and adapt and become a greater threat without being weighed down with overly bloated concepts such as creationism and pre-visitation.

Considering David Giler's past and uncharacteristic silence around Prometheus and Alien: Covenant, it would not surprise me if he was implicit in the new narrative direction of having the Xenomorph being a human (via David; named after Giler) creation.

Giler's past interference, in summary...

With Alien Giler claimed he rewrote Dan O'Bannon's, script when all he did was ad Ash, change the character names and, as mentioned above remove the alien from Alien. Although he was able to claim ownership of the script he was successful in acquiring the production rights to the script and its characters. He then tried to keep O'Bannon off the movies set, despite that in addition to the script O'Bannon was key in bringing onboard Ron Cobb, Jean Giraud, Chris Foss, and H. R. Giger, as well as being key in the finished puppet used for the Facehugger. Rumors also suggest that Giler attempted rewrites to the script during production, infuriating Ridley Scott and the cast, and enraging O'Bannon.

With Aliens James Cameron wrote and directed the movie, filming it in London, England. Giler accepted Cameron's script before approaching either Fox, whereas O'Bannon was rumored to have never been told of Cameron's script until the movie was in production. The relaxed British work ethic and Giler's attempts to "amend" the script ignited Camerons' infamous short fuse creating much tension between Cameron and Giler.

With Alien 3 Giler wrote a script which was rejected by Fox. Giler then approached a plethora of writers and directors, in turn rejecting each of their ideas until Fox demanded production begin. With the release date fast approaching Giler essentially merged all of the script ideas he had rejected together and hired David Fincher to direct the movie. Fincher was then pushed to breaking point with constant rewrites by Giler, a dwindling budget and the pressure of following Alien and Aliens. Inevitably Giler's incompetence drove Fincher to abandon, and later disown the movie.

With Alien: Resurrection Joss Whedon wrote a script centered around Newt, but was forced to rewrite it when Giler thought it prudent for Sigourney Weaver to return as Ripley. Whedon has repeatedly stated he hated the rewrite and preferred his original concept. After the movies release and the mixed response it garnered from fans Giler distanced himself from the movie claimed the first three movies where "our" movies and that Resurrection was the studios' movie.

With the AvP movies Giler mostly remained quiet, but after AvP: Requiem's negative reviews he claimed he had nothing to do with the movies. However, being the owner of the production rights AvP and AvP: Requiem could not have been made without Giler (and Gordon Carroll and Walter Hill) allowing Fox the use of the Alien character.

Interesting! That’s probably why they can’t make up their minds. :) On the one hand, we have the mutagen, created aeons ago. We have the mural of a xenomorph creature, and we have the deacon. On the other hand, we have David . . .

Well thats a interesting FIND!

I think this explains the Origins of ASH the Synthetic, and when Ridley Scott chose to do O'Banon's idea, it seems that they had taken some elements from Hill and Giler's idea certainly by adding ASH and the Companies Motives.

Could Ridley Scott had looked back at this other draft and taken some of its ideas to present us with the David Creator Angle?   Or did Walter Hill and David Giler have some input of ideas on HOW to change the direction and discussed these with Ridley Scott?

Seems quite Plausible to me. (The OT that is).

I think a Colonial Marines TV Series could work...

Just if Fans would accept that maybe it does-not have to be about Bug Hunts, well Xenomorphs!   The Colonial Marines have surely done more than just KILLING those Aliens and getting Killed in Return in ALIEN.

You have to look at other Reasons for such a Military Contingent, and remember the Xenomorph was just ANOTHER Bug Hunt... so they have been involved in tackling other Alien Pests.. that are Unrelated to Xenomorphs.

Rogue/Awol Synthetics have been shown in the Franchise, so the Colonial Marines could be shown to deal with such a Threat in another Episode.  

You could follow a Team of Colonial Marines from Training EP1-3 to then some Missions with various threats.. of the Synthetic Kind, Human Kind and Alien Pest Kind... even have a Episode showing some Down Time in-between Missions, where we could see what was all the Fuss about those Arcturian Poontang

The Final Episode could be to deal with something thats related from events of the ALIEN Franchise/Prequels.. be that Black Goo Related, or Xenomorph Egg Related.  This would be the Climax Episode or TWO

A Hadleys Hope TV Series i think would be limited, because its would Fans be interested in the Day to Day Life of the Colonist... they would have to be some Action, Thriller and Conspiracy.  I think it COULD work if its a Short Series.

So say 4 x 45 Minutes or 2 X 90 or 3 x Hour for example.. or maybe more but i think you would only need 4 hours to cover such a TV Series... which has to end with the First Outbreak of Xenomorphs.

I think a Prometheus Series would depend upon WHAT aspect to we follow from this? Events leading to the Mission, Events after the Loss of the Mission?

Engineers, but in the Past! This could get a bit Star Gate though!

We could consider a CAPRICA/BATTLE STAR GALACTICA

By that the Galaxy is Large... and can we assume that Earth is the only place where Humans are, in context to other Worlds the Engineers have Human Colonies and Interact.

So we could go to another Place in the Galaxy with Humans or very similar, and while yes to start with we can have them use a Alien/Ancient Dialect with Subtitles, then have them speaking English so we get the idea they dont speak English but its just for our Convenience.

You could explore in Flash Backs the Engineers reasons for Creation, and even indicate times they visited Earth, and maybe reasons we was abandoned?

Our Creation seemed to be something of importance and a lot of Effort, and it was indicated our Engineers are never just about Create Mankind and Create Xenomorphs.  We all remember the Space Jesus... well that the Engineers had tried to send a Emissary to put us on track and we killed him and THAT was the LAST STRAW..

In the Bible GOD has had his fair share of Run ins and Punishment towards Mankind who he deems to being going against his Wishes!  The Engineers intended to use the BLACK GOO... but GOD had used the Flood/Deluge!

However... God did at one time have High Hopes for his Creation and saw they can Redeem themselves and HENCE he got NOAH to create the Arc...  instead of just KILLING all Mankind and having to Start-Again!

We can ask would the Engineers NOT consider doing the same? Or maybe some Engineers took pity and decided to take some Humans to another place FAR FAR away where the Engineers can Interact with these and give them a 2nd Chance and learn from the Mistakes that caused Mankind to behave in ways that UPSET them.

So you could explore such a Expanded Universe...

You could even at latter point introduce some incoming Humans from Earth, and what this could do as far as the other Humans who had been raised to NOT be as Corrupt as Mankind on Earth.

Or after the events of Planet 4, some returning Engineers Discover what happened, and they then go "right off we go to other Human Colonies and WIPE them all out, its the only way to be sure"

So you have some Engineers arrive at this World where Humans and Engineers are in Harmony, and want to Destroy those Humans as a Precaution against Rebellion.

You could then see those Engineers on this World, stand up against this Plot, and a Conflict Arises... which then leads those Humans to ASK what the hell was all that about!

Which is when these Engineers can reveal to the Humans their True Origins, and about WHY the Engineers then decided to UNDO certain Creations... which could give indication to the Process of the Death Camps well the Outposts to Create such Deadly Biological Warfare.

So these Humans who may have believed they are alone, with their Engineer Guardians then Discover that there is a whole Galaxy of Creations/Humans... and maybe they then want to SET-OFF and explore!

Even as far as coming to Earth after the Events of Alien Resurrection and Discovering that Mankind really had turned their Paradise into a Hell Hole!

so yes via this we could get answers to some of those Questions that Dr Shaw would have had...  and indeed we can open up the Franchise to STAR-TREK levels.

I mention this because THIS is what i was going to cover with my Prometheus 3 as far as WHERE  it was that David and Dr Shaw end up.... which is a World inhabited by Humans Many Thousands of Light Years from Earth!

A World that would take Human Ships circa 2100-2120 Hundreds of Years to Reach even if they had the Directions.. but a Journey that is VASTLY less for Engineer Ships.

Blomkamp's Alien 5 - it's a nostalgia.

But.

Ridley's Prometheus and Covenant - not a nostalgia. It's a "return to original ideas".

Double standards.

By Company i meant Weyland-Yutani ;)

Regarding ALIENS i think its open for debate, i find it a fitting sequel, maybe it was NOT how Ridley Scott would have continued, but then Alien 3 was not how James Cameron would have continued... this is the Problem we have when there is a SPACE in time between movies and different writers/directors are brought in, when making Continuations to Previous Movies.

I know some Fans may want more ALIEN/ALIEN 3 where the Humans are pitted against ONE Monster and they do-not have any Weapons to deal with it.

Some Fans would want a Colonial Marines Shoot-em Fest!

I think you need a Balance... and by that Prometheus and Alien Covenant had that Balance as in Military/Security just they was not Executed very Well.  Because both movies where trying to cover more than Humans dealing with Xenomorph like Threats.  

As opposed to say AVP!  which had the Balance but again it was not the best Plot.. 

Imagine a AVP swap that Temple for a Complex on LV-223 or other Engineer Related World.

Swap Predators for Engineers (but only have half the Number)

Then work around a GOOD PLOT and Characters around this Xeno-Action type Flick and i think you would have something that works very well.

The Survivors has to contain 1-3 who are NOT Military Types and out of their depth... with 1-2 Military Types as far as the 3rd Act, but they still have to be made to be up against it and NOT Bug Hunting for Fun!  Then HALF these guys have to be KILLED off leaving 1-2 Survivors. 

Maybe I want. The series has more possibilities and substories. But I look at Alien Universe like Godzilla or James Bond. Franchise for the big screen.

Regarding the Debate about the ALIEN Franchise Next Avenue.

You cant and WONT please every fan, there are many things that some Fans are NOT happy with but all we can do is carry on from them and try and amend/damage control.    So such Problems fans have like this.

*Man that Space Jockey was a Skeleton for Sure!

*I wont accept the Xenomorph is NOT Ancient.

*No Way did David create the Xenomorph

*Those Engineers cant be the Space Jockey

*They should not have KILLED Hicks and Newt

They are all things we have to accept, and try and work around, its a BAD idea to change such things to please some Fans...

We also need to consider that we have to find the Balancing Act, but to try and please everyone is something thats VERY HARD!

Right Now, we have to accept that a Majority of People Associate the ALIEN Franchise with the Queen and Xenomorphs, some Fans may Lament for Ripley, Hicks and Newt... but the Franchise is BIGGER than those Characters.

The Franchise is renowned mostly for the Xenomorph, and like it or not, Cameron's Queen has been the Bedrock of Comics, Games, and Movies after ALIENS (Prequels Excluded).

I dont think Fans are into the Prequels so much!

And so for Disney to continue with the Franchise i think they have to play it SAFE and we have to have a very ALIEN movie, and thats the route to go NEXT...

This Movie SHOULD-NOT be a Bring the Gang Back.... i would even say it Does-not have to have any Ripley Family Ties... 

The Movie should try and Balance ALIEN and ALIENS, we dont want a ALIENS Part TWO but some Fans may, but i think we have to be more Imaginative.

The Movie would have to Consider what ever Plans they have even if its NOT to be shown EVER.. they need to have the Plans of HOW we get Prometheus connecting to ALIEN, so that they can give us a ALIEN Movie that can back up what ever clues/plans they intend for a Prequel, so as to NOT step on the Toes of any Future Prequels.

This Movie should NOT be a Prequel to ALIEN, or if it is then it has to NOT conflict with what ever they intended as far as David and the Covenant...    It has to be STAND ALONE Movie that does-not directly tie into David or Ripley.

The Movie has to have Xenomorphs, likely a Queen, it has to balance between a ALIEN and ALIENS or be more a ALIENS but set up a Sequel thats more ALIEN or Vice Versa!

This Movie has to have some connective tissue to things from the Prequels, so that a Sequel could introduce us to some things from the Prequels, which could include Various Xenomorph Hybrids, Engineers and Technology.  So that it can ENGAGE some Fans who want a ALIENS but are NOT really SOLD on the Prequels, we have to have it so that we can get those Fans SOLD on ideas from the Prequels... even if its more in tone to the Engineers from the Comics.

They have to Cater for those kinds of Fans, as this is what would make more MONEY and get the Brand Recognized more and IF this FLOPS... then i think they are in a Pickle!  But if it works, then they have to have it so that either in the NEXT MOVIE or its Sequel, the Fans would be like..

"i really would like to see more about those Engineers now"

"how cool would different types of Xenomorph be"

So if Disney are thinking that the Origins of the Xenomorph are NOT by David, then this Movie has to indicate somehow that this is the case...  which leaves what David gets up to a Mystery or opens up a Continuation of that Story that does-not have to Force itself to be ALIEN..  Or this Movie should indicate that indeed the events starting with Engineers Experiments, then Davids continuation had led to the Xenomorph... and those who dont like that idea would have to accept it or just watch Alien 1-4 and AVP if they choose lol

Prequel Fans are going to have to accept that its best to Produce a Stand Alone Movie, that Transpires in the Time-Line of 2115-2215 and a Movie that can engage Fans to consider following up on some things from the Prequels (Engineers for example).

And accept they may NOT see the Prequels Finished, but hopefully Future Movies could explore some elements the Prequels tried to do differently.

I think Prequel Fans would be HAPPY to have their Prequels Finished in Context of a NOVEL...

I think it would be better for those Blomkamp Alien 5 Fans to get this Story in Terms of a Graphic Novel/Comic.

But the above is just how i think we should go, and its NOT going to please everyone, but i dont think they can make another ALIEN Movie that will please everyone ANYMORE!

@Pagey

I can answer those for you and welcome aboard.

The Blue Myst appears to had been some Protective Device for the Egg Cargo, it does-not offer any kind of HARD Shield Barrier, and so it was there so that the Cargo of Eggs remain Inactive as you dont want any of those Face Huggers Getting Loose...  but once you enter that barrier and touch those Eggs your in trouble.. so its likely the Eggs have some kind of Sensory Method to detect when a Viable Host is close by, and the Blue Myst is likely a Protective Measure that renders those Eggs unable to Detect any Hosts outside that Barrier.

A thing to remember is Originally the idea was that those Eggs are a Engineered Bio-Weapon by the Space Jockey, related to the Experiments they was carrying out on LV-223 in Prometheus.   About 200 years after/before the Outbreak that Killed Most of the Engineers off on LV-223 a Engineer Ship had attempted to leave with its Cargo, but the Cargo Evolved and got to the Pilot, who then knowing he was infected, had Set-Down on near by LV-426 in a attempt to Quarantine the Cargo and WARN his fellow Race of a Containment Breach... he was Chest Busted during his Decent to the Moon.

THIS ^^ is Ridley Scotts Original Idea/Explanation but things have Changed since Alien Covenant...

What we now are looking at IF they continue the David Creates the Xenomorph ARC/Plot, is that within 17 years of the End of Alien Covenant, Davids Xenomorphs have to multiply into Thousands and End-up on a Engineer Ship that would be traveling too or leaving LV-223 prior to ENDING UP on LV-426.

IF David first goes to Origae-6 then he would not reach there with the Covenant until the year 2112 and so 10 Years before ALIEN, if we look at this then if David goes to LV-223 after, then it would take him about 7-8 years so that would leave just TWO YEARS (or so) for David to do what ever he wanted on Origae-6 and then have the Derelict end up on LV-426... so its more likely that a Engineer Ship arrives at Origae-6 and this ship then heads to LV-223.  Then either leaves with more Engineered Eggs, or fails to get their and infected by the Cargo it obtained from Origae-6.

Regarding the Planet in Alien Covenant, this World is the Home-world or at least One Colony of the Engineers, and was a very Earth like Place.   The World in ALIEN/ALIENS (LV-426) is indicated (subject to change) as a near by Moon to the Engineers Outpost on LV-223 and at some point, the Derelict will be either.

*Heading to LV-223 but only getting as CLOSE as LV-426

*Leaving LV-223 but only getting as FAR as LV-426

I like that idea Bigdave; a series set in the Alienverse but without the Xenomorph.

I like the sound of Weyland Odyssey! 

I guess it depends on what the focus/antagonistic force of the series would be.  

The Prometheus name might be another suggestion? With this name you would probably assume Engineers as a key focus, if that was your route.

Sevastopol: xxx

Hadleys Hope: xxx

Lets just please not use the name Colonial Marines....

Look Forwards to what ever Project you have in mind ;)

I think the Space Jockey was a very interesting Entity, its Origins have changed quite a little.  Originally the Space Jockey did not exist so to speak, the Original Drafts to ALIEN showed a Stranded Derelict Alien Ship (did-not look like the Alien Derelict) and on the ship was the Skeletal Remains of a Giant Alien Species who had came across a Pyramid that contained the Spores/Eggs and they attempted to take them to their Ship and got infected.

There were some concepts for this Alien Race, but they looked very Un-Human even Less-Human than the Space Jockey, but then Ridley Scott had decided to use HR Giger for Concept Ideas and he really did like Necronom V

Elements from this formed the Basis for some of the Xenomorphs Design and the Space Jockey.  This Necronom V Pilot so to speak is something VERY Alien, a being that is a True Bio-Mechnoid and appears to be Connected Permanently to the Pilot Chair.

There is always scope to introduce a Alien Race that are very Bio-Mechanical and Infuse with their Technology. And certainly have these Race be the Origins to the Engineers Technology.

Regarding the Rogue Planet and Ridley Scott's intentions for the Franchise, he had wanted to explore the Xenomorph being more Intelligent, and he wanted to explore a VERY Alien and Bio-Mechanical World and so such things could FIT very well with your Rogue Planet, and could you imagine a HR Gigers Take on like a BORG Ship, But talking Death Star Size!

"I think regarding HOW MUCH the Company Knew in ALIENS.. i think thats a Good Question. They certainly knew something nearly 60 years prior (Special Order 937) and the Advent Message by David would surely mean they are AWARE of the Xenomorph."

The Company knew a lot about the xenomorph but they forgot to inform JC, so he had his delirium with the Queen and the Colonial Marines, but Aliens was not a true sequel to Alien. Rather Alien3 can qualify as a true sequel to Alien, the Company wanted to capture the xenomorph, not to destroy it. Crew or inmates expendable. 

I think expanding the Universe into a TV Series could work.

But it would have to be a Expanded Universe and so i think the Xenomorph or even related should be KEPT to the Movies.

The Problem is ANY kind of ALIEN TV Series would be expected to connect to ALIEN or the Xenomorph or maybe Ripley, so there is some Thread from the Franchise.  And so if it Carried the ALIEN Title then this would be expected by some Fans, and Certainly more Fans would expect it to contain something very ALIEN at least.

so you would have to think about a Different Name and Market it as being in the Universe but would-not cover anything connecting to Alien or the Xenomorph but then its getting Fans to see your TV Series and the ALIEN is a well known brand, so its a Catch 22...  you would have to have it about something that Fans would Recognize its connected to the Universe, but then also Market it as NOT connecting to ALIEN etc.

Something like Weyland: Odyssey could work on various levels, or Weyland Yutani:Odyssey but how many casual people would know of such a Name and Logo, if its marketed WELL then it may get people interested..  only Alien Franchise and Sci-Fi Fans may notice the connection.

Then some of them may be wandering how close this would connect to anything within the Alien Franchise... and for those who dont see the connection via that Weyland Name, then NO soon as you Market it as a TV Show Set in the ALIEN Universe then some people are going to be scratching their heads and thinking "how does this connect to those Alien Films?, Were is Ripley or the Xenomorph"

Honestly, Im far more interested in streaming/tv series than movies these days. Series give more content and opportunities for writers to invest in plot and character development ,rather than jammed into a 2-3 hour film. Look what happened with Covenant. It feels awkward because it got squeezed to a pulp to fit all the content in. There are negatives to series such as risk of cancellation, budget restraints for storytelling etc. but the positives of a more engaging storytelling far outweigh the negatives

After Ripley had a queen in her and died in Alien3 and was a xeno-human hybrid in Resurrection it would be difficult to think of a sequel to Aliens. It would not work, not for those familiar with the previous films in the franchise.

"I think the way out for the franchise, and I said it before, is to give some brains to the xenomorph, make it an intelligent AI if not an intelligent race. Ridley Scott tried something in this direction when David imprinted on the baby xeno,"

I think getting back to something like the STARBEAST could be a Option however i think and Especially the Prequel Revelations, that the Xenomorph being shown as such would be HARD now... but they could introduce another Creature/Race that has some of that Xenomorph/HR Giger Aesthetic.  Certainly as far as the Ancient Source to were the Deacon DNA at very least came from (Experiments on LV-223). The Fresco in Prometheus could be a Starting Point.

Regarding a Intelligent Xenomorph due to David, i think having the Xenomorph explored in a way that we can see David can CONTROL them somehow would maybe allow for a REASON for why the Company may want to gain the Xenomorph... if they could Discover HOW David was able to Control them, then it would be of Great Benefit to them, The Xenomorph as it is would be a Hostile and Uncontrollable Force... to the Hubris of those wanting to exploit it as seen many times in the Franchise.

I think regarding HOW MUCH the Company Knew in ALIENS.. i think thats a Good Question. They certainly knew something nearly 60 years prior (Special Order 937) and the Advent Message by David would surely mean they are AWARE of the Xenomorph.

So WHY they never attempted to obtain anything from after the Nostromo's Destruction is a Good Question, one that we could Ponder Many a Reason for.

WHY would the company be willing to Sacrifice Human Life?  Who are the ones behind the Sinister Shenanigans at Weyland-Yutani and WHY they stopped (or did they?) for  a Period of 57 years is a Good Answer...

Maybe exploring the Consequences of AI becoming Sentient and then running the SHOW with most people NOT even in the know... could be a explanation... as far as prior to ALIENS.  There is THUS room for another Movie set after ALIEN where there could be some Cover-Up of EVERYTHING related to the Prometheus Mission, Engineers and David and LV-426.

"there was always the plan to bring the gang back"

I understand that Miss Weaver and Cameron have been getting behind the Project hoping for it to get the Green Light, but Originally Blomkamp's Idea was a Stand Alone and not a Sequel to Aliens.

"I met Sigourney on Chappie and I had a different idea for an Alien film I wanted to make. So I had this idea for a story set in the world of those two first films that was not a continuation of James Cameron’s. It was just in the world of it and it had a totally different character that was the lead character. Because my assumption was that Sigourney would just never make another one. I told her about it on Chappie and she was like 'No, no, no! I actually would make another one because I felt like Ripley’s story didn’t end correctly."

"So I went back to Vancouver and, while I was editing Chappie, I started to think about what I would do with Sigourney as basically a sequel to James Cameron’s film. I spent about a year working on it with only Sigourney knowing and I hired one really awesome concept artist. We put together essentially a script and all the artwork and that’s what I went to 20th Century Fox with. They seemed really into it and Ridley [Scott] came on as producer, and then it just unraveled."

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So it had been changed while Weaver and Blomkamps were on another Project and it did seem that FOX was keen, even getting Ridley Scott involved as a Producer, but then Ridley Scott wanted to get his Prometheus Sequel done first and this was a LONG Process and then the Disappointment of that Movie (Alien Covenant) and impending Take Over (Disney) really placed Blomkamp's Alien 5 in Limbo.

I personally think the Project has Promise, regardless if its Eggs/Xenomorphs that are Mutated due to Radioactive Fallout, or Mutations are via the Company trying to Extract certain Traits or Re-Engineer the Xenomorph.

I just dont think bringing the Gang Back would be ideal, but i can understand that it would EXCITE a number of Fans and Potentially could draw a lot of interest and money...  I think in HINDSIGHT... yeah a Aliens Sequel that would have carried on with Hicks and Newt would have been interesting to a degree, but due to various delays with Alien 3, what happened has happened..  i think you have to just Move on, which is what happened.

I think we could go another Round or Two with Ripley if we have some of Blomkamp's Ideas made into a ALIEN 5 where it would take place after Alien Resurrection... i have a few ideas how to do this and DEAL with Miss Weavers Age.

So my MAJOR concern would be ONCE you let that Genie out the Box (Bring Back Long Dead Characters) and especially with Disney... is where do they STOP?

You could see them then just Ret-con/Reboot other Movies in the Franchise, and we could END UP a bit like the Terminator Franchise.

Regarding a ALIENS like Movie, i think that would be playing it SAFE... and for some i think Repeating the Same Formula would be Great... but i think there would be ONLY so many times you can carry on over and over... the more times we have RIPLEY kicking ASS it could put some Fans off her Character and the Elements of her having some Fragility/Fear which she pulled off so WELL in ALIEN as well as still being a Strong Headed Take No Crap Character.

Because if we get a Ripley over and over who just comes across as Bad-Ass and kicking Xeno Butt... then you could diminish the Xenomorph...  i think the Xenomorph is NOT as Scary as it was in ALIEN, it has been degraded quite a bit and they NEED to make the Xenomorph much more Perilous to deal with.  Certainly as far as Movies go!

I am not sure the Video Game/Comic style would be ideal, but there would certainly be a Market for that, but i am not sure how many times Theatrically you can Repeat this...

While keeping the Xenomorph to its Tried and Tested Basics (Queen, Egg, Face Hugger, Xenomorph) i do think that you would have to introduce something NEW at some point, as 3 ALIEN movies with Queens, Eggs, Face Huggers and Xenomorphs i think would get stale UNLESS the Plot and Characters are VERY interesting, and WELL executed because we dont want another like AVPR like Flop again!

Lone hahaha! I'm rather surprised there already seems to be abundance of Alien vs Ponies material out there.