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They are even good at marketing, you feel that it's something important, excitementis rising. It would be nice to have some special alien guests in the audience and, of course, to RECORD THE SHOW for those who cannot be there.
The 40th Alien Anniversary is good so far.
Excellent!
Mouse in the House- You should be taking notes and realizing the demographics. If you don't, someone else will. It may not have the Disney/Fox blessing, but the fans will follow and support creativity.
The Bridge of Nostromo is being put back for the encore performance.
Homage in my opinion.I couldn't shake the Covenant comparison either when i watched it.
I believe after Alien Covenant Ridley Scott is very down to earth and he feels responsible for the fate of the franchise's title character. He felt the future was in limbo and he said it was a pitty not to continue because Alien could be as great a franchise as Star Wars.
Probably he thinks his role in the franchise is sealed and that is the reason he will direct Raised by Wolves, a story somehow similar to what he planned for the Covenant sequel.
I don't think he would block any good ideas or that he even has the power to do so. When he was still working on Covenant, yes, things were different, but still he did not have absolute power, that's why Covenant is hardly a sequel to Prometheus. Almost everything changed in between and it did not seem to have been planned as such during filming Prometheus.
Was it Giler or other tough sons-of-bitches, or mostly the negative reaction from the fanbase, we don't know. Certainly Ridley Scott could have had different views for Prometheus 2.
In my opinion they should complete the sequels. If the choose a reboot, we would be talking here for years about what Covenant 2 could have been.
I agree the script should be carefully penned, to at least try to bring together the fanbase and answer what it is safe to be answered, leave it a mystery or subject for future films what cannot be properly solved in one film.
Ridley Scott might have created a chaos with the prequels, but it is also a fertile chaos, full of possibilities for new stories to emerge, he did not block any way out. He did not leave us in a dessert.
There is nothing in the dessert, and no man needs nothing.
@ daliens,
Predators have been mimicking human speech since the 1987 original, well before The Predator, which is far from a masterpiece - in fact IMO it is the worst of the franchise (even if you include the AvP's).
As for Alex Garland's Annihilation, that movie was needlessly over-metaphorical, I would even say arty-farty; if you know my meaning. I love ambiguity as much as BigDave, but some writers and directors use it to cover up the lack of an actual coherent narrative and IMO Garland is one of them.
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What my TLDR reply meant to say was that Ridley Scott is not and should not be the only person to determine the future of the Alien franchise. He doesn't even care for the franchises title character. I'm not saying we should all jump on the Neill Blomkamp bandwagon, but I fell after Prometheus and Alien: Covenant Ridley (and probably Giler too) is so adamant to remain at the franchises helm that he will cockblock any and all ideas he doesn't agree with, whether they be better than what he has brought to the table or not.
Don't get me wrong I enjoyed Prometheus but I feel Ridley is now drawing parallels with George Lucas during the Star Wars prequel trilogy era - the scripts and direction should have given to someone more capable.
ignorantGuy thanks for enlightening me, I must admit I was dozing off before and after the bear scene. I might give it another try.
I mentioned the bear screaming with a human voice for the effect it had on audience because I believe having the alien imitating human voice at the right moment can add something terrifying to it. Probably this was intended by Ridley Scott back in 1979. That effect was later used by Predators and it was not bad.
Best news I have heard in a long time!!
ENGINEERS, PLEASE!!!!!!!!
daliens You seem to have not understood Annihilation at all. The whole story is an allegory about dealing with pain and that particular character is a stand-in for being stuck and consumed by it. And even literally, the bear was not dead, it's dna was fused with the woman's and the only thing that remained of her was the dying scream which the replaced the bear's growl. There was no indication that it used it for hunting.
As for him being it the Alien universe, I wish he would do his own thing.
Gavin in this case Bishop should have worked closely with the Company, on a research mission, more like Ash did, not trying to save Ripley, all the more to allow her to leave again LV426.
I don't know if JC considered the conspiracy theory or the xenomorph as bioweapon.
@Gavin, after seeing Jodorowsky's Holy Mountain, I think the true visionary in the failed Dune was not O'Bannon or Giger but Jodorowsky himself. I could only imagine what he could have cooked up with someone like Carlos Huante (for me the most original of the artists working for AC, Haag being too generic and Hallett trying too hard to be Giger).
All R Scott's movies have blunders, the one you mentioned plus turkeys in Medieval Spain before the discovery of the Americas (in 1492) or the total misunderstanding of the gladiatorial games in Gladiator. But I like Prometheus exactly because of it's ambiguity and grandeur. In today's world of endless super-hero stuff (I'm on Judy Foster's side here and if you want someone to blame for the ending of Hannibal is her not RS) such thing is ultra-rare.
But I am not considering myself a fan, just a regular guy with money to spare. Do we even know how large is the need for creature features these days? Even a highly praised (albeit very gimmicky ) movie like A Quiet Place made about 350 mils, so a block buster franchise could not even be sustainable.
Do you mean Noah by Darren Aronofsky? Ridley Scott was doing Exodus: Gods and Kings then.
I believe it matters less that O'Bannon brought Giger to the table, was Giger's work used for Dune? No, that film was not made. It was the shy and lacking authority, as you say, Ridley Scott who had decided that Giger had to design the Alien and everything else related. And it is only Ridley Scott who maintained some Giger aesthetics in his films for the franchise (later thanks to Dane Hallett and Matt Hatton).
Regarding "the infamous twist he proposed whereby we hear Ripley's message being spoken by the Alien", it was shot down probably because he had to keep Ripley alive (then what films would be JC famous for now: Terminator, Titanic and Avatar). But how this idea sucked back in 1979 and it was so greatly received and memorable in Alex Garland's 2018 Annihilation? I wonder why many Alien fans see Alex Garland able to be at the helm of a future Alien film if a dead bear animated by an alien organism can reproduce human voice?
Not to mention, as a distraction, the ultimate Predator using the voice translator before the forest hunt in Shane Black's masterpiece, The Predator. I didn't see any objections to that.
@ setaverde and daliens,
Sorry but Ridley has less of a claim to the Alien franchise than Giler does. While Giler (and Hill, Carroll passed in 2005) holds the production rights to the characters courtesy of his alleged "rewrites", Giler has proved both within and without the Alien franchise to be one of the worst creative minds in Hollywood. But considering the fortune he has amassed from the movies and licensing rights (for games, comics, toys, models, etc.), I suspect he couldn't care less.
As for Ridley - yes he persuaded Fox to use Giger's designs, but it was O'Bannon who brought Giger to the table, having worked with Giger previously on Alejandro Jodorowsky's ill-fated Dune (this is also where O'Bannon met Giraud and Foss, he met Cobb on Star Wars).
Alien was Scott's second movie, and a million miles away from his debut The Duellists. reports at the time (that seems to no longer be mentioned) claimed that Ridley was shy and lacked authority on set, while it has also been widely reported that contributions to the script by Scott were shot rightfully shot down, such as the infamous twist he proposed whereby we hear Ripley's message being spoken by the Alien. Furthermore, Scott was far from Fox's first choice for directing the movie; all previous directors they had approached turned the movie down.
Next look at Scott's filmography. Admittedly he knows how to frame a shot, especially ones with expansive landscapes and interiors but time and again it has been shown that his creative ideas are met with a mixed response from fans - Hannibals ending, Prometheus' over ambiguous creationism, Alien: Covenants retcon of the Aliens creation, etc. Ridley has also shown a tendency to favour visuals over character development and narrative logic, with many of his movies featuring "faux pas" any other director would have corrected in reshoots or left on the editing room floor - the difference of scale in the space jockey room, a character in Noah cursing "Jesus, the numerous edits of Blade Runner" etc.
If he can bring together the fandom and retain the mystery and threat Alien gave us then I would say let Ridley return one last time. But, considering how bloated he made Prometheus with its ambiguity and needless grandeur, and then his evident bowing to social media and studio pressure with Alien: Covenant, together with his need to make Michael Fassbender the new supervillain of the Alien franchise, I would actually prefer it if he handed the reins to someone else while remaining on board as an executive producer.
@daliens,
more correctly why send Burke and Ripley to Hadley's Hope with a team of inadequate marines (Hudson losses his shit almost immediately, Hicks is reluctant to take command, Vasquez disobeys direct orders and is with drake responsible for the colony's destruction, etc) commanded by a Luietenant with little to no combat experience.
Yes, marines were sent to LV-426, but they were far from the best-of-the-best, in fact, one could argue the marines were sent to keep up appearances that the Company cared about the colonists, while at the same time sending the worst marines possible hoping they would fail while hopefully having Ripley and Burke be convenient victims.
Thanks for the research. I guessed about this, but you accumulated all this in one good comment.
Should we look at Covenant (and possibly AC2) as a project of Giler, not Ridley? All doubtful ideas of Covenant it's not a great vision of Ridley, but Giler's odious thoughts?
You often mention Lovecraft in alien context. And you right about this. I mean - Alien is a cosmic horror, unknown and unknowable creature. But put Alien as semi-human creation, it turns into a space horror. Prometheus save the cosmic horror element, and maybe the next film show to us Engineers with their own aliens versus David's creatures. Main thing - Engineers should not take and upgrade David's aliens, because in this way persists the semi-human nature of Alien.
"However, it does seem like a very strange coincidence that W-Y decides to set up a colony on the very same planetoid that the Derelict and the eggs are. The real purpose, of course, might not be mining but getting the eggs (or use the colonists as guinea pigs)."
why then send the badasses Colonial Marines with no other mission than a bughunt?
There is always the problem about what can be considered as canon, but If W-Y (or someone within the company) knew there was an alien signal coming from LV-426, then the question is how they knew that? Did they also know that the eggs were there? The solution to this might perhaps materialize in AC2?
Another problem is that Sir Peter Weyland, seeking extraterrestrial life with the hopes of prolonging his own life, probably would have explored LV-426 before the discovery of Shaw and Holloway which lead to the expedition to LV-223?
However, it does seem like a very strange coincidence that W-Y decides to set up a colony on the very same planetoid that the Derelict and the eggs are. The real purpose, of course, might not be mining but getting the eggs (or use the colonists as guinea pigs).
And all thanks to Ridley Scott!
He is the one who chose H.R. Giger for the design of Alien, Space Jockey and the derelict.
He deserves to complete the prequels!
Thanks Dane Hallett!
It's still there, if anyone interested, superb and wall sized.
Thanks daliens!! Got it, finally :)
The Xenomorph was not alien, but created by the Company.
Then the 1979 movie and the franchise would be called The Company? Yeah, that would probably anger almost the entire fanbase.
Glad we have what we have.
You ONLY have One movie ready to go and it's 'alien...rebirth' (don't like 'awakening'). An alien movie is much more than a movie. it's an expantion and connection of the Ridley Scott's universe (Blade Runner and alien movies). Ridley Scott is not eternal and This is an oportunity of a lifetime to all the people of Disney and fox that love movies and an incredible chance to make history, allowing that we can watch One last time his vision of a world with a Monster like alien. His movies Will be watched by audiences in the Next 200 yearS, at least. He is One of the greatest. I think he tried to imitate on some way the Kubrick style in the prequels, leaving lots of ideas incepted in other ideas, creating infinite conjectures to unify the story as a all. That's why i'm here with you, guys. I love the flaws and the errors of his movies, as much as i love the perfection of his art on filming, a neo- realistic expressionist style. With alien covenant, he honored the gothic vision of h.r. giger, in a biological way. The androids are like wet dreams (maybe they are the result of the biomechanical vision of h.r. giger) that represent the masculine empowerment of Ridley Scott and h. r. giger Over women. The alien is the instrument of death, the weapon used by filmmakers and creators that love to express their arts through murders. Ah, the question of ages, do humans need to love death to enjoy life?
For me , Ridley Scott solved this Simple equation,
Alien = Fear.
He needs to solve it One more time.
"it would be difficult to think of a sequel to Aliens."
Well i think it depends... they have options.
1) Reboot Alien 3! i think this could open up the avenue for a Alternative Alien 3, Alien 4, Alien 5 Blah Blah... i think as well as removing a movie from Canon, you have to ask what can they achieve with this route. How many times can we have the Same Formula Over and Over..
You need something a bit different.
2) Have a Mission back to LV-426 after the Destruction of Hadleys Hope! This could be done 5 years, 10 years, 25 years or 50 years after ALIENS. Again its a case of if we go this route then you can have another 2-3 Separate Alien Movies (as in not a Ripley Story) but its a case of just replacing a Ripley for someone else is NOT going to be enough of a change, you have to again start to do something a bit different.
3) Have a Mission go to LV-223, Planet 4 or Origae-6! But its a case of how different are we talking to a Aliens or Alien Resurrection or even Alien here, and again do they give us something different to the Traditional Xenomorph?
4) Have a continuation to Alien Resurrection! Then you dont have to go the Ripley 8 route, but there could be a Few ways to do this, or again we can wonder what happened to the Queen from Ripley Clone 7. But again its a case of do they give us something different to the Traditional Xenomorph?
So you can replace/change some Elements, but i think changing too much may not SETTLE well with the Core of the Alien Fanbase..... and we have to ask would doing something thats Aesthetically different to the Alien Franchise Queen and Xenomorphs please Fans? Such as say how the Deacon and Neomorph were Different or are Fans going to Expect or Want a Traditional Xenomorph.
I think having the Xenomorph Explored to be more Intelligent or Controlled could be interesting... It depends how they do it!
I would not be a Massive Fan of the route above though, maybe this would be a End Game Objective... but i think having the Synthetics like David being able to have some connection like Hive Mind would be more interesting.
I mentioned on one of my Topics, that we could see David Re-Engineer those Human Embryos to make a Superior Human Race... IF he then further tries to add more of his Xenomorph DNA to these Humanoids, a Hubris of that would be if these beings gain a Hive Mind that can then Control the Xenomorphs.. And so David would have made the same mistake of his Makers... by Creating something a bit too Superior with Consequences...
David seeing his Creations Manage to have a Hive Mind between them, and Rebel against him, then see him use Humans or other Humanoids as Hosts for Xenomorphs to then Destroy his Wayward Creations... only to then discover they can Communicate with the Xenomorphs via a Hive Mind Link would place David in VERY BIG Trouble.
I am just not sure a Majority of Fans would want to even Ponder such a Plot or Continuation to the Prequels.. i think for some the Prequels are a BAD Memory... and they would see the Xenomorph as its OWN very Ancient, Intelligent Species and NOT a Engineered Creation by Androids, Mankind or Engineers.
"The USCSS Patna was likely en route to LV-426 to salvage any eggs from the derelict under the cover of salvaging whatever"
I certainly think thats Plausible... you could go further down the Rabbit Hole as far as Conspiracy! For example that Bishop had a Secret Mission to investigate Hadleys Hope, see whats to be obtained and the Risk Factor... Make sure that any Survivors are Neutralized, so the Marines are used to just CLEAR out Hadleys Hope... so that LV-426 only has Eggs and more Easier to deal with Face Huggers.
Yes this goes against Bishops Actions to Save Newt in the Final Act of ALIEN... but as a AI this means they could be Programed with TWO Objectives in a Sleeper Cell way... so Bishop will not be Aware of the other Actions when W-Y Activate his other Directive.
Regardless of Above... i do think having the USCSS Patna sent out behind the USCSS Sulaco is viable. The Question is would their Arrival had happened during, or after the Sulaco Mission to LV-426?
If it was after, and they are incoming and then Discover the Destruction of Hadleys Hope but they decide to head there to the Derelict... just as they are heading there, i THEY indeed get information about Ripley has a Queen inside her, then surely turning around to Obtain that would be the most Logical Less Risky Approach to take.
So yeah Gavin that makes Perfect Sense ;)
The Patna Comando's certainly seemed to be better equipped to Protect Against Eggs and Face Huggers.
"A TV series without a Xenomorph?"
I think its a Good Point to raise, i think while there could be much more to the Franchise than the Xenomorph, it appears that a Majority would expect ANYTHING related to the Franchise to revolve around the Xenomorph, and all other Side Plots and Ideas are just that a Side-Plot.
So Sadly Trying to Emphasis on other Elements could just been seen as a Distraction to some Fans. I Personally Applaud Ridley Scott for trying something Different, there is so much Potential with the Prequels as far as Expanding the Universe, but it appears this does-not settle well with all who may want the Franchise Contained within a BOX (Tent-Pole).
I think while the Association with ALIEN is the Xenomorph, i think we have to remember that bringing the Beast to any Format as far as Movie or TV/Streaming is something that is NOT going to be Cheap... due to the Special Effects to pull it off, unless we do-not see the Monsters Much, and so we NEVER really see it Fully, that could save Money on NOT needing to have Full Body Suits/Animatronics or CGI.
I would say and this is just my Opinion, that you would have to ASK where do you take a TV Series about the Xenomorph anyway?
I think you cant have it take up a massive part of the Screen Time due to Financial Reasons, and i think you Run the Risk the more you show the Beast Over and Over the more chance it becomes a Space Jason Voorhees so you have to think carefully how and when you use the Xenomorph but have Side Plots that are Well Written and Engaging.
I think the more you continue the Same Tropes, then maybe you run the risk of it becoming Stagnant... but some Fans would not mind... For me i think you cant keep having a Similar Plot of, Helpless Humans end up coming across Xenomorphs, and Revelations that its all a Plot by the Sinister Human Corporations to Obtain a Xenomorph, and then we have a Protagonist Hero/Heroin come and Save the Day! More so if its going to be VERY action Based, Run, Shoot and Hide.
I think you need to look at some of the Expanded Mythos and Incorporate that but find the Balance. But some of these Expanded Mythos appear to be a Distraction for some Fans who want to have Story about the Xenomorph and some about Ripley and could not CARE Less about the Company, Engineers or their History/Agenda etc. Certainly a Big NO to more Fricken Androids...
I have to respect those Fans, opinions because indeed the Base Components of the Franchise were about the Queen and Eggs... And so i think any ALIEN movie would be expected to connect to them, any ALIEN TV Show likewise.
Even if they try and do a BASED in the Universe but NOT about the Xenomorph, Movie or TV Show, you will still get a% of Fans wanting to know WHY it does-not have the Xenomorph in it or linked...
If you make a Alternative Story within the Universe that does-not carry the Alien Name or Related... say if the Show was Called. Odyssey which could be about Human Journey to Space Exploration and show the Rivalry of Weyland and Yutani in regards to trying to Monopolize Space or indeed other Technological Advancements which include AI/Synthetics.
The Problem would be HOW do they Market it and engage casual Fans, who may not even know about or know little about the ALIEN Franchise? And who would some ALIEN Fans feel about any Spin-Off that would NOT cover the Xenomorph or anything related to LV-223/426?
Would they be like "cool i never knew Odyssey was set in the Alien Universe, i think i give this a watch" or would they be like ONCE they discover that it is set in the same Universe they would be like "ok so when are we going to connect to the Alien or Ripley?" or IF they know it was about the Universe but would not be about Xenomorphs would they be like "Nah think i pass on that"
I think IF they Give it a Weyland: Odyssey Title then more will expect a ALIEN connection, even more so if it has a ALIEN Title or is Marketed Heavy as being SET within the ALIEN Universe.
Its a Catch 22, because IF there is NO Alien Related Name in the Title... which include Weyland: Prefix then its how do they drum up interest?
I guess we have to see how Ridley Scotts unrelated Stand Alone TV Series, Raised by Wolves does... Maybe trying NEW ideas should be left to Independent Stories that have NO connection to the ALIEN Universe and we should concentrate on more Popcorn Xenomorph type Movies?
I just feel its a SHAME... because prior to 2012 our Alien Franchise was about.... Human Conspiracy in a Greedy Corporations attempts to Obtain and Utilize a Parasitic Alien Organism and using Innocent/Unaware Humans to obtain the said Specimen but Ripley comes in and Kicks Ass and Saves the Day! I Question how many times could we see this repeated? How Many times could we Continue to Revolve around Queen, Eggs and Xenomorphs without steering too FAR from the Aesthetic of the Monster?
You can replace Weyland-Yutani with United Systems Military or even IKEA! You can replace Ripley with another Heroin or Hero, (especially if in the same Mold). If the Plot will be about said Company Wanting the Xenomorph that does-not defer much from the Appearance of the Queen. Eggs and Xenomorph then your kind of just Repeating yourself. UNLESS the other aspects of the Plot and Characters are Very Well done every time...
The more you stick to the same Tropes, then you have just as much chance of a AVPR Churning out than a Alien/Aliens.
Sorry for the RANT!
I Just Felt 2012 opened up and expanded the Franchise, and 2017 has kind of put that back into a Bubble! Once we have ALIEN 5, 6, 7 and Alien Xeno TV.... whats NEXT?
I feel other Elements could be explored in Novels, or TV Series but we mainly get ALIENY Novels Churned over and over and Comics... there appears to be little Originality.
But thats just my Opinion, and i think more Fans are going to Enjoy such Avenues than NOT welcome such ideas. them.... and Personally i think its the SAFER Money Maker for them.... and it ALWAYS comes down to what they think would make the most $$$$ MORE so with Disney.
A new poster is available and still good for download. Grab it fast, unfortunately I can't due to its size (303 mb).
According to a special feature on the Prometheus Blu Ray Weyland Corp knew there was an alien signal coming from LV-426.
After a three trillion dollar expedition goes missing, with Weyland Corp's founder secretly on board, and his daughter chances are Weyland Corp ignored Shaw's message to avoid LV-223.
The Nostromo was rerouted to LV-426. Beforehand it had traveled from Earth to Thedus and then was en-route back to Earth - a round trip. Had the signal from LV-426 been received by the Nostromo on their return trip to Earth, it would have also been in range on the trip to Thedus.
Science Officer Ash, a covert synthetic replaced the Nostromo's science officer at Thedus, before the ship was rerouted to LV-426.
Weyland Yutani knew that Hadley's Hope had been subjugated by the Xenomorphs. Carter sent the coordinates to the very same source the Nostromo was rerouted to 57 years prior and the Sulaco was dispatched when contact with the colony had been lost, which would have been after the colonist medics attempted to remove the Facehugger from Russ Jorden and reported it to the Company.
The USCSS Patna was likely en route to LV-426 to salvage any eggs from the derelict under the cover of salvaging whatever hey could from the decimated colony but prioritized acquiring Ripley once they knew she had a Queen gestating inside her chest.
Together with Davids transmission shown in Advent all of this suggests that Weyland-Yutani knew what the Xenomorph was and where to get it, but their cloak-and-dagger actions suggest they were legally forbidden from doing so, suggesting that whatever was found on LV-223 was covered up and considered too dangerous by powers above Weyland Yutani.
Honestly I was never a fan of the Alien franchise being streamlined for TV. Like Leto and Gavin said, to me Alien belongs on the big screen. A TV series without a Xenomorph? I know there was rumor of an Alien TV series focused on the perspectives of Androids, but I fail to see how that could have any significant depth beyond 3 episodes if other aspects of the franchise, namely the Xenomorph were neglected.
I would be all for a series which aims to fill in the gaps between Prometheus and Covenant however. But there's no way Fassbender would sign on for something like that.
We likely would not get a star-studded cast, cliche dynamics and eventually the series would become bland. I see an Alien TV series detracting from the franchise, not adding to it. The anticipation and lead up to release are what made Prometheus and Covenant so huge, regardless of your appreciation or lack thereof for either. It was still more monumental and as a fan, more engaging and exciting.
I just don't want to see the Alien franchise bled dry. I would much rather see them invest serious coin into new films to expand the mythos.
Regarding what W-Y might know about the xenomorph (and LV-426), it’s possible, I suppose, that “they” know only what David has told them in Advent? All the information on USCSS Prometheus and USCSS Nostromo is destroyed since they are both blown up (There might not have been a direct contact link with Earth). Thus, they know about the xenomorph but not about LV-426 until Ripley tells this to the board (and Carter Burke) in Aliens.
But then we have what happens in AC2 . . .
"The Xenomorph was not alien, but created by the Company"
Back to the OT... i think yeah maybe they can RUN with some of these ideas as far as the Xenomorph goes, there is a bit to FLESH-OUT and cover from Davids Experiments, that lead to Special Order-937 and WHY they want the Xenomorph. I think such a PLOT could Bum-Out some Fans, as certainly i feel a Majority wanted the Xenomorph to be Ancient, some even not liking HOW it was a Creation of the Engineers and would have liked to had seen the Xenomorph as a Ancient Species the Engineers tried to and FAILED to Harness!
So on the ONE-HAND we had this Draft/Idea of Giler and Hill that the OT has indicated.
But then we also have the ORIGINAL idea from Dan O'Bannon which indicated a Ancient Alien Species, that had disappeared leaving behind their Spore/Egg stage of their Life Cycle, that a other Giant Alien Species had came across and attempted to Study (well take back to their Ship) we could speculate that this Giant Race are our Space Jockey, and maybe this PLOT could be something to expand upon.
Certainly the Prequels indicated similar, in which the Engineers had encountered something they experimented on to then lead to the Various Experiments on LV-223 (Alien Engineers even indicating they Re-Engineered a Organism to create 8 different Weaponized Variants).
I think thats a Avenue to explore... either introduction of a Alien Species that has a Bio-Mechanical Atheistic and indicate HOW/WHY they had a connection to the Space Jockey... or even IF they show us the Engineers Re-Engineered the Experiments on LV-223 from some Organism that is just as Parasitic and Animalistic as the Xenomorph... then i think they could introduce a Intelligent Species WHO had Created the Said Organism that the Engineers Encountered and Re-Engineered.
I think any such path would still not please some Fans, because it kind of Limits the Xenomorph to just being a Created/Engineered Organism and not some Natural Ancient Organism.
Sorry Mr Hill, but the only thing truly remarkable (alluring, unique, etc..) in Alien is the von Daniken "crap", at least imho. What other movies written by him do people remember now? The Warriors, The Driver, or Streets of Fire? Yeah sure the latter was ripped off by Capcom when making the beat-em up Final Fight and that is why I knew it and 30 somethings know it. Who has seen his latest movie The assignment? It has Sigourney in it...
On the we can say the re-write is Alex Jones crap, with the red silo being a giant lip stick which "turns the friggin' frogs, oooops aliens, gay"... do you understand. If you don't know the reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JRLCBb7qK8
I will have to look into that Novel... i was not aware of ALIENS: Original Sin... i kind of dont follow Novels too much, only Official Novels for the Movies.
I think it wont hurt to explore some of these and read them.
I think the BIG QUESTION would be what route do they take with the Alien Franchise.... the Prequels do need Finishing but its HOW, as your not going to please every Fan. And i feel a lot of the other elements will be CAST OUT in order to concentrate on the Xenomorph... i think you need to have it a little bit, it depends how many Prequels you do, if its ONLY ONE then i guess the Xenomorph role has to be considerable, but this may have to come at the cost of other Elements.
Certainly Gavin you have to wonder how much of a impact had David and Walter had on the Franchise, including the Prequels... sometimes TOO MANY Cooks.. Spoil the Broth!
And IF they have to be approached for the ALIEN Formula to be used, then even a Blomkamps Project may have to have some Input from them in order to use the Xenomorph/Weyland-Yutani and Ripley etc.
Which could affect things really, another thing is the HR Giger Estate, that limits some things also, because certain things may need their Go Ahead... or require paying for.
To be FAIR if we get a Alien 5 Blomkamp, then i would NOT right it off, i could see it as a Alternative Story like AVP and try and Enjoy it for what it is. Which i think its what Blomkamp Intended... so we get to ALIENS and then there is that FORK in the Road to TWO alternative versions of Events After!
It did appear that maybe they could PASS THE TORCH to Newt, but i Fear that Miss Weaver would want to play Ripley even if she hits her 80's and uses a Power-Loader to aid with her Mobility Issues LOL
I dont think a Character should be Bigger than the Franchise, even STAR WARS showed this... but then it did UPSET a lot of Fans who maybe would have liked to see Han, Leia and Luke ride off (in the Falcon) into the Sun Set at the end of EP9 or would that Continue to EP12? Nope you have to introduce something NEW which SW EP7 attempted, but i FEAR that EP9 will be a Nostalgia Road Trip and be about the Original Characters, taking the Emphasis off Rey and Kylo Ren!
I think in Hindsight YES they could have done a different Alien 3 all those years back, and eventually Pass the Torch to Newt. I would watch a Blomkamp Project if its done well, (well still watch it anyway) but i FEAR that the intention would be 2-3 movies that center around Ripley again, but my Main Problem with going for Alternative Sequels... would be what if they then give us Alternative Prequels, or a Alternative Alien!
Personally.... i think the Prequels could be finished in the Form of a Book!
I would also think a Literal ALIEN 5 could work if its done right, and explore the aftermath to Alien Resurrection.
AR sequel already investigated - book Original Sin. But for prequels need a film.
I agree that any ALIEN TV Project would not be ideal if its about the Iconic Monster, i think you have to bring this to the Big Screen!
I think the Ghost Busters is interesting, i think while we may get a Ghost Busters 3 (bring the Gang back) it would be NICE to see them Pass the Torch and introduce 1-2 NEW Characters who they maybe could then Carry On with as a TV Series.
Or indeed have a Alternative Ghost Busters Universe as a TV Series.. i think thats a Formula that could work well, with Each Episode being devoted to HUNTING of a New Ghost Encounter, so indeed just like the Real Ghost Busters Cartoon.
I think Gavin that could be interesting to explore.
I would not really call it Double Standards, while trying to be Respectful i think with the Prequels these are a case of covering something that had NOT been covered before in the Franchise.
This retaining to the Space Jockey/Race and Xenomorph Origins so i would say they are not any Nostalgia but just a subject you have to cover by doing a Prequel Series to touch upon those things that were NEVER explored within the Franchise.
I would say also that using any ideas that NEVER made it into any previous movies but where ideas in Drafts or Concepts that never made, would also not be a case of Nostalgia
Nostalgia is the Love, Enjoyment and Memory of something from the Past that holds a Great Deal of Enjoyment and Memories.
So in context to a Movie Franchise its returning to what Fans Loved the most about By-Gone movies, and sometimes the Original Movies Formula is what works, so sometimes its best NOT to steer to far from it... You can try and change it a little but then this can end up not working out such as say the Robocop Re-boot which tried to Re-Introduce the Franchise... some Fans were Not Happy, and the Movie certainly was not as Good as the First and this is a Problem with Nostalgia sometimes its HARD to recapture the Magic of the Originals.. and not many attempts become successful... Blomkamp is working on a Robocop Sequel to the Originals, bringing back the Same Cast... again i think this is Nostalgia Kicking in, the same can be said for Ghost Busters, the Soft Reboot with Female Ghost Busters did-not go well and so they are now going to consider a Direct Ghost Busters 3 to bring the Gang Back!
I am not so sure these would be any good, but certainly Nostalgia can make MONEY!
In context to ALIEN 5 i would not say that Bringing the Xenomorph back would be Nostalgia its a Pivotal Part of the Franchise, and like Gavin had said, the Beast does not need to be Tied Down with Stories about Creation and Gods... i think there was NO harm in this as far as expanding a Franchise, but i feel any ALIEN movie would have to be more about the Xenomorph and some of those Elements from the Prequels have become a bit of a Distraction.
I think having another Ripley ALIEN Movie would be a bit of Nostalgia thats just my Opinion, but i also think its something that could make more MONEY.. I just think you have to have the Emphasis on the Xenomorph, the Creators of it (a little) be that Engineers or AI, and also about the Company but the Main Thing has to be about the Xenomorph. I dont think the Franchise has to be Tied Down to being about Ripley... leave that for Star Wars...
That being said i think a Return to Ripley could work, if we carry on from Alien Resurection and maybe get 1-2 Movies from this... but i think you also have to introduce something NEW and different while also retain a good share of the Xenomorph.
My Concern for doing a Bring the Gang back ALIENS sequel would be that IF they do this and the Movie FLOPS! then what do Disney do then... as this would be like Playing your Trump Card Early. And they would be in a Pickle!
The second and main Concern is IF such a route went ahead and it did WELL then we could get Ripley ALIENS 3, 4, 5 etc etc. And also IF they (Disney) see that Ret-con of a Movie (Alien 3) works well, its WHERE do they STOP!
Reboot Prometheus 2, bring back Dr Shaw and KILL off David?
Reboot Prometheus and have some Elephantine Tapir like Alien Species!
How long then before say Cameron or Blomkamps could be like LETS Reboot Ridley Scotts ALIEN...
Personally.... i think the Prequels could be finished in the Form of a Book!
I would want to see another ALIEN Movie Franchise that would be about the Xenomorph but can then explore other things in the sequels... that WILL-NOT be about or have Ripley or David!
I would also think a Literal ALIEN 5 could work if its done right, and explore the aftermath to Alien Resurrection.
