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"One live-action series is called “The Mandalorian.” Set in the “Star Wars” universe and created by Jon Favreau, the show cost an estimated $100 million for 10 episodes"
I wish them all the success with this... its trying something a bit different, i think Solo was a attempt at this and IF that movie did well, you would think we would have had a sequel that would have been about Smuggling, and other stuff and what DARK operation MAUL was behind..
But Solo Bombed! and they Abandoned any other Spin-Offs... no Obi Wan, no Bobba Fett etc etc.
So and in context to the OT.... this indicated WHILE they had Pulled the Plug on Expanded Universe Movies and Certainly Legends Off-Shoot Movies (about Famous Characters), for them to be interested in a Star Wars TV Series that may revolve little or NO connection to Franchise Characters, or maybe also NO Force Users... could be interesting.
In context to the OT this could indicate they may be willing to do Expanded Alien Universe TV Series that does-not revolve around the Xenomorph, Ripley or the Origins.
So if we look at other Aspects within the Franchise as DK had discussed in his TOPIC HERE then even if Disney go for a similar route with a 40% Budget of that Mandalorian Star Wars Project i think a Alien-Verse movie that is not about Alien Monsters or Engineers could well be done on a $4M a Episode Budget.
It depends HOW much they regard the Alien Franchise... as the X-Men is BIG but we could see the Alien Franchise with Potential.... as far as STAR WARS... this is a HUGE Franchise and so you can see why they would invest in it.
If this Spin Off Mandalorian does not do well, then maybe Disney could Question doing Movie Franchise TV Spin Offs so Fingers crossed it does very well.
Good Points Thoughts_Dreams
Especially 28 Days later reference.... like the Walking Dead Series, at first it was about Zombies, but then they just became a Sub Plot... showing Humans are more of a Threat to Each other... its how you handle any such Plot... there are LOADS of Zombie Movies and Shows... the Ones that WORK are those who use Human Characters and other Threats Well!
The Prequels open up a lot to be expanded... the idea of a Hadleys Hope but not about Xenomorphs could be tricky, and indeed its about what other threats could they face before the outbreak?
Hadleys Hope is bound to NOT be the only Colony/Mining place that Weyland-Yutani had set up... so there could be another place that Humans have set-up on, that eventually they stumble on something different... like what if they DUG UP some Black Goo Urns/Ampoules..... even USED/EMPTY ones at First so they are NO harm and seen as some Archeological Find! Where they think the World they are no must have been inhabited by a Ancient Race.
So they go FULL SCALE Dig..... and Regret it!
Alien: Exhumation (or Exhumed) could work (was title for a project i worked on of similar, but smaller Mining Outpost... more like size of Outpost 31 from The Thing where they uncover a Organism that i infer is what Engineers Re-Engineered the Xenomorph from).
But title could fit with any kind of Mining Colony who Unearth something related to the Black Goo or Xenomorph.
I wonder if we could look at Alien Covenant 2 as at Ridley Scott's version of Alens.
We have the colonists and a couple of facehuggers, we have the promise of a queen in Advent. The Company is duly informed and they might send the Colonial Marines ;).
And on top of everything, we have David, as if Ash was left behind on the LV426 to observe the lethal effect of the xenomorphs on the colonists.
Why the heck there was no android with the colonists on LV426, JC? How would the Company find out more about the xenomorph if they did not send anybody to study it?
The more I think about Aliens, the more I see only JC's hubris, he designed a queen and he needed to show it to the whole world, the second Giger.
Ha Ha!
I dont mean exactly the same... i think a combination of both with a different skin tone... No-Eyes look of the 2nd one onto the First One (eye socket dude) then maybe that could be interesting?
@Thoughts_Dreams
I have mentioned this a number of times to your (dont want a David Movie) comments... they are very Valid, because i think the Majority would be in a similar boat to you... They should have gave the Fans a ALIENY movie, that does-not connect to David and Dr Shaw... say they (other Mission/Humans) go to LV-223.
Then leaves David to go off and have his Davids Odyssey Prequels. that DONT connect to ALIEN or the Xenomorph.
But ALAS!
Now we are in Direct ALIEN Prequel Territory, Fans are not going to want to SIT THROUGH more than 30 Min of What Lovely World David has Built Plot!
So indeed something more like What Kind of a World has David $£%^$^ UP... may be more fitting!
The Covenant intended to go to Origae-6 as some NEW Start a NEW Eden.... those Colonist Totally Unaware of what happened in Alien Covenant.... any other Secondary Mission to Origae-6 would be expecting to reach a very EARTH like World where the Covenant Colony has been set up.
INSTEAD they Discover HELL...
Again i think Fans would not want to SIT THOUGH a Movie about David... so we have to arrive at a point AFTER this World David had created maybe for Kind Intentions has gone TITS-UP..
Taking into ACCOUNT a lot of Fans Likes/Dislikes i have came up with a ALIEN 5 idea i will post on here at some point over the NEXT 4-7 Days... its a Continuation of Alien Resurrection.
At the same time i have just had a idea for a Alien Covenant 2 that would try and please everyone... which would be a After-Math like movie, that will show David Redeem himself (small role) and will continue with the Themes of Prometheus (Creation, Rebellion and Retribution).
To give the idea away a little.... you see David may want to Create his own Humanity, because in Prometheus he appeared to be Neglected by Mankind, but the Alien Covenant Trailer Song by AURORA i think is very fitting to Davids Journey and he did say to Daniels if we are KIND it would be KIND world.
So David could have intentions of Creating a Paradise for Humans he would Engineer/Perfect... but the Hubris would be in Perfecting these beings... he could Create a Superior Race who REBEL against him... Dethrone him!
We get this via Flash Backs... because we arrive at a incoming Human Ship with more Colonist and Supplies... they arrive at Origae-6 and see the Colony has been set-up but there is a lack of Technology, its like a Middle Aged Settlement...
The incoming Humans Arrive... and they discover there is something DIFFERENT with these other Humans... as Questions Start, we get a Sinister Turn, where the incoming Humans are at the Peril of these other Humanoids.
Some that escape discover David's Corpse.. they Activate Him and he tells them what he did and WHY, and how he regrets it... he WANTS Revenge against his Rebellious Creations and he informs the Surviving Humans about another Creation... he says he has to Unleash his Wolf on his Lambs... and says THIS Beast would be the ONLY defense they would have against the THREAT of these Humanoids...
This is when we can introduce the Xenomorph... which would then infect those Humans, while some escape and the Xenomorphs would go on to KILL those Humanoids David had created... and infect some of them...
As the Human Survivors Escape... as they arrive at their Main Ship, they discover another Ship has arrived a Weyland-Yutani Military/Science Ship...
This can lead to the 2nd Movie or the 3RD act if the Movie idea spans say 2.5hrs
In a Sequel.
This can lead to them going down to clear up the Xenomorphs and Davids other Creations... but reveal a attempt to obtain the Xenomorph but then the Engineers Rock Up!
"David was interesting but an asshole"
Whats done is done, you can redeem yourself by improving on Characters, Dr Shaw could have been given a New ARC in a Prometheus 2... like imagine if she finds out the TRUTH is nothing like her Faith Teaches and Renders her Faith as False! that could BREAK her Character and HOW would she act?
So with David they have to look at what went WRONG.. if we looked at Prometheus and The Crossing, then we could see there was a way they could have made his Character something we could sympathize with. So with David its a case of making him a Character that Redeems himself, or has KIND intentions for his World, until Mankind come along and F it Up!
But a major Problem is many people just have wrote David off, they are Not Interested in him and may not be open to any Story Changes..
David also is a Scapegoat!
For those wanting to see Dr Shaw and get her Answers, or/and to see the Engineers..... well THEY CANT.. because David had KILLED THEM ALL.
For those looking forwards to the Xenomorph and its Origins... they was SHOCKED that a Android had Created it, which TOTALLY is unexpected for most Fans... again Davids FAULT!
I think the BIGGEST Problem... is that ALIEN is about ALIENS... and the Xenomorph is what most connect with the Franchise, the Prequels showed us WHO the Space Jockey are..... But they was ALL 2nd Fiddle to DAVID... the movie was more about David...
Any sequel about David and NOT about Xenomorphs or Engineers will just NOT interest most people... at the moment all this is just a Distraction from what Fans would expect/want a ALIEN Prequel series to be about.
I feel we are better of arriving at ORIGAE-6 in some After-math or that David is killed off in the First Act.
Not ideally what i would want... but most fans would want the NEXT movie to hurry up and get us connecting to ALIEN and so they would want to by-pass until the Part other Humans Arrive and the £"%£ hits the FAN and then the Engineers Turn up...
What i am saying is IF we assume the Sequels until we get to ALIEN would have been TWO movies... Both say 2-2.5 hours. If the Plot is as i speculated, then i just feel that the 4-5 hours we have until we reach the Back Door to ALIEN... i feel the First HOUR would be something that Fans would not be interested in and feel is a Distraction..
So it would be best to like Discount the First 60-90 Min of the said Plot... just as if we assume the Events from the End of Prometheus until the Covenant Ship detects Dr Shaws Signal... could have made another 2 hour Movie!
But we just Bypassed that 2 hour CROSSING movie if you would... i feel maybe we need to do the same with Davids Kind of World...
"You mention that we are in the prequel-series and that they need to finish that. I understand what you mean but the way that it is set up and how it has developed has mad every very disappointed "
I think in TERMS of the Prequels.. what they HAVE TO DO.. is they need to Figure out.... HOW/WHEN/WHY the Derelict gets on LV-426 and HOW/WHEN the Eggs got on the Ship.
Once they KNOW how they wish to tackle this subject and have the ANSWERS... they DONT have to Finish the Prequels.
All they have to do is make another ALIEN Movie, that will have Answers and enough Clues to suggest the Origins of the Eggs on the Derelict and When they got on the Ship and HOW LONG ago...
Then what ever route they go...
*Without David's Experiments on Planet 4 there would be NO Xenomorph
*The Xenomorph was a Ancient Event relating to the Engineers Experiments Thousands of Years ago.
If there is enough clues in a NEW Alien Movie series to answer which of those two, then they dont even have to carry on with David's Journey!
This could be covered in a NOVEL!
Whatever ANSWER they have in mind, i think they need to insure any NEW Alien Set of Movies will introduce the Engineers at some point. I would hate for everything the Prequels Set-Up to be abandoned and never explored again.
In Favor of Queen Eggs, Face Hugers, Chest Busters, Xenomorphs.... Hero/Heroin Kicks Ass and REPEAT!
"They cant afford to get it WRONG Twice.”
They already have,"
In a way i agree with that as far as Critically..... but Box Office wise Prometheus did well enough, if Alien Covenant had made the same % Profit then you can bet we would have Alien Covenant 2 out this year... regardless of how how Criticism for the movie went. You look how Criticized Star Wars the Last Jedi was... i have not came across anyone who really praises the movie but Financially it was a MASSIVE HIT!
I do wonder if Prometheus had the same Success, in that expectation and excitement was there as Fans thought they are seeing a Return to the ALIEN Franchise and some Answers about the Xenomorph and Space Jockey, so they would have Flocked to the Box Office to see it...
Some Fans would have been disappointed... because of the lack of what they expected (in addition to how disappointing the Characters were). Maybe they Boycotted Alien Covenant in protest... because its a puzzle to HOW the Sequel which was Marketed Heavy on bring back the Xenomorph etc... would do so Disappointing at the Box Office especially the First Few Weeks!
Likewise maybe in context we have to look at Han Solo which also did Very Bad at the Box Office... after the last Star Wars Movie had PISSED off the Fans... I was shocked at the Box Office for that Movie... i never saw it until it was on my Cable Provider Movie Package... and i NEVER thought it was all that Bad... i have seen it 3 times... and i cant watch the LAST JEDI again.... twice was enough for me!
Unfortunately Nostalgia makes $$$$ and i hear loads of people who NEVER wanted to go and see SW EP9 after the Farce that was the LAST JEDI.... but Disney and JJ Abrahams have been teasing a bit about the NEW movie which looks to be throwing a lot of Nostalgia back into it, i FEAR the Emphasis will be taken off REY and KYLO REN and onto SOLO, LEIA, but more so LUKE, VADER, ANAKIN, PALPATINE with maybe even YODA and OBI WAN!
It should be called Star Wars: Reunion
I feel that Disney are in a pickle with the ALIEN Franchise as i discussed above, in that they have to think WOULD Fans be interested in the Prequels?
So i would not be surprised they would do a Nostalgia Blomkamps Alien 5: Bring the Gang back type of Movie.. because they may feel this would make money.. the TRUMP card... if they went this route and the Box Office was Poor and Critically the Movie had Bad Characters/Plot etc..
Then we have to FEAR the Franchise could be Dead!
Regarding what W-Y knew about the Signal...
This is always interesting to debate.... with Prometheus it was the DVD Extras that suggested they detected the Signal, and David was informed to keep a eye on it. I think we had to look at this as the same way as we had to ask WHY do they go after Ripley in Alien 3... IF there was potential to get Eggs from the Derelict.
The most Logical Answer to that would be that (as others had mentioned on here) knowing Ripley had a Queen inside her, would be a Easier Path to take with less RISK. The objective was to gain a Specimen and getting a Queen thats inside of a Human on a Prison Planet is the easier route.
So with Weyland and his Agenda.. the Star Maps pointed to LV-223, so when they arrived it would be likely that they would CHECK the place out First, then go to check out LV-426. No Soon as they discover those Humanoids (Engineers) and so Dr Shaws Work/Maps were RIGHT, and Knowing that ONE is still Alive.. then this is when Weyland was woken up and wanted to get down to meet his Maker ASP because his Agenda was solely for More Life.
Regarding the Marines... indeed we could ponder if they send in a LESS than Best Squad for reasons that Gavin had outlined...
We could look at maybe Miss Vickers having a Agenda for selecting the NOT best for the Prometheus Mission apart from those who are Necessary for Her Safety (Pilots, Mechanics and Security).
Regarding Bishop... maybe he had a hidden Agenda/Order, which was to get some Specimens on the Ship and Insure some of the Crew Return Safely, so they could be used as Hosts.
If we look at each Movie as far as WHAT the company should have done etc, and NOT make mistakes.. then ALIENS was a Colossal Feck-Up.... we could look at ALIEN in a similar way depending what the Prequels Uncover (if they knew so little at the time of Special Order 937 then the Nostromo Mission was Genius).
As otherwise you would ASK.... why dont they just send in ANDROIDS? But doing so would not give us the Movies we can Enjoy.
I think thats a interesting Question and i will refrain from making comments about other peoples not wants... so as to not come across as disagreeing as everyone has their own opinion on what they would NOT like to see.
For me there are a number of things that i will try and keep simple.
1) I dont want them to Abandon/Ignore the Avenues that the Prequels had opened up the Alien Universe was expanded in many ways and potentials by the Prequels (Especially Prometheus) and i felt the route of Alien Covenant kind of placed the LID on that BOX of Potential. So i dont want to see them discard everything the prequels opened up.
2) I dont want to see them have to keep going to the same Formula and Tropes, i know these form the STAPLE of the Franchise (prior to Prequels) and sticking to them is playing it SAFE. I just dont want them to Continue with the same Formula Over and Over... they can use bits of them, but they need something Fresh, because i just feel they could only Squeeze another 2-3 Movies using the Same Formula before they have to to do something NEW.
3) I dont want to see them having to use the Franchise as a Ripley Saga, i think IF done well we could maybe get 1-2 more Ripley Movies but i dont want to see the Franchise having to be about Ellen Ripley, or Amanda (although maybe Amanda could be given 1-2 Movies?) i just think the Franchise is more than just a RIPLEY SAGA.
4) Finally.... i dont want to see them do any Alternative Movies as far as Alternative Sequels or Prequels that Re-Write events of other Movies.. so NO REBOOTS or RETCONS.
Aside from those i am pretty open to anything.
"2023: Building Better Worlds"
BigDave, this is a GREAT idea! Simple, catchy, yet effective!
Good-One Bro!
You know where I stand!... Lol! But if this is what they would run with as the price to pay for getting a pre-Prometheus tv series, I would be down with it!
I Raptus That guy is fascinating indeed, but the linked video is about Stupid Alien CIVILIZATIONS. In an other video he considers the Xeno only an aggressive PARASITE and those only by a big stretch can be perfect and definitely are not spare-faring and even civilized.
But his criticism could be applied to the Engineers, Weyland-Yutani and David (see the episode on the machine uprising https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHd22kMa0_w).
somewhat OT but this but dude is the king of Sci-fi Common Sense! He has a whole series on colonizing worlds and interacting with aliens. Our titular beasty as least does not get a mention for being a stupid Alien creation.
Perfect organism +1
I have no problem with them being canon. The Alienverse is a big place, over a big time period. There are literally hundreds of years between Prometheus and Alien Resurrection that these events could have occurred in.
As much as I enjoy Covenant and Prometheus,I agree Scott should either get back in the mindset of Alien,or step away from Alien altogether. Between these and the high school play,It shows there is no shortage of imagination out there when it comes to Alien.
Personally, I will consider them canon so far because I can. To me, they take the series in a direction I prefer over the last two movies.
I remember when RS mentioned low budgets ultimately yielded the best results. That is what I see happening with the shorts. I cannot say the same for the last two full length movies. Maybe RS should revisit that mentality.
I think it'd be great to see these built upon.Containment depicts what seems to be a mission gone wrong, and Speciman looks to be on another LV designated planet.
As far as I am concerned, they are NOT canon. They are a celebratory initiative by fans and aspiring filmmakers. I don't think we should consider them canonical within the Alien universe.
I agree. But you know, religion sells well.
I found some really weird stuff regarding this thread in the YT rabbit hole that I cannot unsee. I will go a bit OT and give an original Engineer of sorts who wasn't bald.
The pics are outstanding. The OP themes for upcoming entries are not imo.
Considering our debates over the years regarding canon, I would say they CAN be on an individual basis. Will they be considered by FOX/Disney? Good question. I think we will have to wait for the conclusion of the shorts on 4/26 with any new announcements. So far I don't see any direct connection between the first two shorts.
That easter egg is not that bad.
I will pick a green egg for Easter.
I don't want Colonial Marines or a popcorn flick.
I don't want creatures from other franchises.
I don't want to see humans or aliens slaughtered all over, just make them disappear, like in the original film.
I don't want to see stupid dialogues or pornographic jokes between annoying characters. Only curses and swears accepted.
I don't want to see humans experiments on aliens, no mutants or hybrids, they are generally poorly done. No alien dogs. Keep the original in shape. David's lab was not bad, though.
BD:
I agree that if they reboot Alien 3 I would be even more annoyed than I am now with how the prequels are going. Any (emphasis here) retcon of Alien 3 would get a thumbs down from me.
You mention that we are in the prequel-series and that they need to finish that. I understand what you mean but the way that it is set up and how it has developed has mad every very disappointed so that is why I say that I would like to see a last prequel if they get a good story and human characters that I can get behind but not just for the sake of it. Having a last prequel just to have a last prequel is meaningless to me, there has to be more than that. To me it is like well if they plan to go on with the emphasis on David then forget it, I can make up in my mind what would happen and I would be fine with that.
“But there are a % of the Fans who EXPECTED to see more of a connection to ALIEN which this movie just never delivered... i think a lot more just expected a bit more of a Connection...”
I understand your point and I can also understand their concerns but at the same time yeah they could have made it a bit less vague. For example when I saw the Xeno Fifield it look ed a lot better and also had less of a vague connection to the Xeno. They should have had more like that instead of what it became.
Sure I would not have been too happy about a David and Shaw movie and I am glad that they got rid of her but having it about David was a mistake. They should have made more interesting characters and at least surpassed what we had in Prometheus (that should not be too hard). Now we reached the same level but that they were less annoying but that is not too much to be proud of. They have failed with the characters twice in a row (five times if you count the AVP’s and AR). Well done ;)
“...a Sequel would NOT connect to ALIEN or be about the Xenomorph, may have effected some Fans interest in seeing a Prometheus 2.”
It is not about how many persons that watched the movie, it is about the quality. They still did not manage to get it right so they misunderstood the criticism IMO.
“.... and i think they were SHOCKED at how Disappointing Alien Covenant had done.”
They never understood the criticism of Prometheus so they have themselves to blame in a way. It was not mainly about the lack of Xenos even though you might have some percent of the audience that put that as number one. Most of it had to do with lame characters doing dumb things.
“Its hard for them to Gauge what went wrong.... and deciding… ”
Someone should tell them that they need to get a movie where we can get behind the characters and that does not focus on a mad android and a lot of it will be fixed. As long as they do not understand that we are in shit. Put them in a writing class ;)
“They cant afford to get it WRONG Twice.”
They already have, with Prometheus and Covenant, and even more so if we count the AVP’s + AR. How can they just get it so wrong? That kind of amazes me, it is interesting.
BD
You mention the plot and yeah I think that is what you should look at first and the characters next. Sure I can connect to a non-human character too if they are well-written. Chewbacca is an example, or even the Naviis (name?) in Avatar or Maz Kanada in TFA. The thing is that they were sympathetic and well-done. David was interesting but an asshole and it was all about him while Maz and Chewwie were well done characters in a larger story.
You can even have maybe some androids in the background that are sympathetic but they got to work so we can identify with them and they shall not be played by one actor. Alien to me though is not about the androids even though they can be made interesting.
“A Problem with say David having his own Colony of Engineered Superior Humans, and having little or NO Humans in the movie... would be its hard to connect to such beings especially if they appear Less Human and are Superior and somewhat Super Human..”
Exactly because then they are more like something that we could see in X-men and not relatable in this franchise although I like X-men 1 and 2. Having them here would just be strange.
Humans made from test-tubes or made naturally, what ever. As long as they are well-written and we can support them it is fine by me.
“you could even have David become Disappointing and try to Destroy these Humanoids, and see their Peril at escaping the Plans David has for them!”
Yeah but don’t make it about David and also have some interesting monster sin it. It is Alien not “David’s experiments” Yeah we need real humans also from someone that can write and execute them well on the screen otherwise we are fucked.
“... but this kind of PLOT could become a bit too much like AVATAR.”
Yeah but at the same time I would take that over another movie that is like Covenant. The thing is to make it your own and not make it like a copy which might be easier said than done at least if that is the story that we shall follow.
“Do they form a Bond/Covenant and work hand in hand, and then we see the Colonist start to Treat Walter as just a Machine, and so Walter (David) starts to feel... "here we go again"... and then Unleashes Hell on those Humans?”
Or maybe David looses control over his monsters so they turn on him and the humans. WMD’s can also get out of control, that is why they are so dangerous and it is also stupid to make them. I would not like David to be featured that much, keep him in the background like a boss in a computer game. He could be in the end of the movie or in small portions but not what the movie is about.
“ TIME-RESTRAINTS”
Yeah but then cut down the time of David and have him in the background (background character). I do not want another movie like Covenant. If we would get another Covenant I would be like “fuck no”(notice there are no !!!’s, it is a matter of how I annoyed I would be and many !!!’s looks like screaming and I am usually calmer than that even though I would not like it).
More Engineers less David thanks, I would buy that. I think that the Engineers are interesting. Fassbender as a Walter like character would be fine, I kind of liked Walter although it was too much of an android movie.
“HOW would a Superior Race to Humans accept that these inferior Species have turned up and declare that they are the Creator of their GOD! and there is NOTHING important about their Creator, he is ONE of many who are made to Serve MANKIND.”
Yeah but make it tied to alien in a way because the movies are Alien prequels. This does not mean that you got to show the Xenos a lot. The shorts did not show the Xenos much and that worked.
“What happens when Engineers Turn up or do so in a Sequel?”
I would like to see that, it would be interesting but they should be as the Engineer in Prometheus, not how they were in AC. Raised By Woklves? He can make it if he wants to, I don’t care.
As far as bits in your other post I got to mention the Zombie Fifield. I was like, OK? How does this connect to the Xeno? He was a zombie, which could be fine in another movie but not there. Also they should have decided in P was an alien prequel or not, the way that they put it (is it or is it not?) was just dumb.
Yup the Engineer city what ever in AC was disappointing. They should have made it more biomechanical.
“however i feel if the Movie which is a Alien Prequel would be about David creating his own Humanoids to Rule Over, who live in a Village that is very Middle Aged (Wooden) and so kind of his own Amish Village of Genetically Altered Humans who see David as God/Creator... i just think a majority of Fans would NOT be so happy with this Plot...”
That seems boring to me, I don’t want that.
“Even IF we go for a Davids World First (i think Fans wont be interested in unless it had some Xenomorph Elements)."
That would still be too much about David if he is not killed off early in the movie or something similar. Yeah some Alien elements should be expected, at least it will be so for me.
BD:
“Some are Wishfully thinking David does-not create the Xenomorph... maybe this can be changed.”
I hope so, at least they can try to not make it worse than it already is, that could be one step in a better direction. They could have him in a small portion of the movie but not make it about him, that is a difference. Having it about him is the problem not that he is in it at all because he was interesting in Prometheus.
About what kind of life that he wants to make could work as long as he is not the creator of the original Xeno and as long that he is not the movie so to speak. More HR Giger aesthetics could be nice which is not to say that all of the movie needs to be built on that but it could be a part. Look at how Tim Burton makes his things, dark and that.
“Tampering with LIFE that would imprint some Traits of the Xenomorph could have Dire Consequences. “
That is an interesting idea, a movie based on that is something that I could accept. Get the right story and well made human characters and it could probably be better than both P and AC, which would not be very difficult but anyways.
The worms to Hammerpedes were interesting because it showed what the goo could make. Milburn was stupid but that is another issue, they should have had the scene where he saw something easier before (a worm or what ever it was).
“So what happens when things go to POT!”
Hadley’s hope * 10? (Bigger area) As far as the spores are concerned, I think that was interesting because it showed what the goo could do. That is one of the things that I liked about Covenant.
“We still need some Answers.... and so Discovering a Disabled David to just activate and get some information from like they did with Bishop in Alien 3 is something they could explore....
The LONGER a sequel takes... the more likely this would be Davids Role/Fate!”
I could be OK with that, let it take time. I was alright with how they did with Bishop in Alien 3. The difference is that Bishop was a likable character and David is an asshole.
Seeing how the Engineers would react to the bombing by David would be interesting if they involve that part but don’t have that at the expense of the human characters.
About Xenos, Neos, and that I am fine with new monsters. They could just show the Xeno as a small part of it but then you also have people that are interested in the monster itself even though that is not what I am about when it comes to the movies even though it is interesting to see what they can come up with.
“Maybe there has to be some Compromise?”
Maybe, it got to improve from Covenant which is not a very difficult thing to do.
“For those who DONT want a David movie, well a Aftermath could show what happens when these Beings had Revolted Against David...”
That could be interesting, it depends on the story and characters but if they think it through it might work.
“This would be more interesting if they are NOT your traditional Humans but Enhanced... "
Any of those could work as long as they are well done.
“I feel HOWEVER that most Alien Fans would rather see a incoming Human Ship arrive at a World that would be kind of like a Worse Case than turning up to Planet 4 and coming across the SPORES and Davids Eggs in the Cathedral/Citadel”
The risk is that it would be a repeat of AC, you got to do something else. At the same time AC was different from Prometheus so maybe something else could be done if there is the next movie, that is the story is not very much based on David at all because it would allow more creative freedom.
“Now he could create a variant of the Xenomorph, that would also be a AI... just as the Xenomorph is.”
Maybe, it just seems confusing what he (Scott) says sometimes.
No thanks to Nolan, I haven’t liked him since the Dark Knight Rises which was eww. One director that at least did one movie that I like is Danny Boyle and Alex Garland wrote it. Maybe those two could do an alien movie? At least they have one movie that is good at least to me but maybe one is not enough.
Not a fan of the Xeno with three heads, it just looks too dumb (sorry Chris). No more Ripley and do not erase Alien 3. Write new characters, how difficult can it be? Get a competent writer, there has got to be someone out there that is able to do it.
To study the Xeno seems too much like Alien R and we know how that turned out. Maybe it is just that it reminds me too much of AR that I don’t like it, that is possible. I am not really sure what kind of story that could work but to study the Xeno seems to me to have been done.
I totally agree with Daliens, if you want a nostalgia trip go back and watch the old ones. To me, I don’t need a copy of any of them because we already have an Aliens, and so on.
Decs:
I am glad that other people enjoyed it too
It is a movie that splits people as far as likes and dislikes but that is alright. No matter if you like or dislike Alien 3, I think that many would put it in front of the AVP’s, the prequels, and Resurrection, 3 is a lot better compared to them I would say. Yeah maybe there were too many background characters but some of them were well-done (like Morse, Clemens, and Dillon). Totally agree that it would have been better if Fox wouldn’t have interfered the way that they did, something that you also bring up. Sometimes I wonder what it would have been without the studio-interference. Yup it is called The Assembly Cut, give it a chance and see what you think of it at least that is my preferred version.
DK is a member here, I guess that I should have put it in a separate post. My bad
I am not pointing finger at anyone particular because I am not sure who’s idea it was to make it all about David and to make him so evil. Whoever made that decision really effed up because obviously someone somewhere decided to do that.
“Bring me the pee David! The pee!” - Weyland paraphrased
(Weyland pours it into his drink to see how it tastes. Decides that no sugar is needed)
Crappy joke completed, sorry but I couldn’t resist.
David was interesting in Prometheus, he was one of the highlights but they made him into a simple evil bad-guy in AC. In Prometheus he was more ambiguous, something that I liked. As far as killing off the Engineers that was a bad thing because it could have been very interesting to see what they could have done with them if they would have allowed them to be in the movie like the Engineer in Prometheus. To have David being responsible for the Xenos is so lame. That was probably the worst decision that they could have done about its origins next to that humanity creates it.
Give David less of a role, only then will I be OK with it.
“As it turns out, the spore is in fact not alien, but instead is a biological weapon created by the Company.”
Wow! That idea is even worse than David creating it. Sure Weyland Yutani are sons of bitches but do they really have to be behind everything? I am glad that they just used the idea of the company wanting it for bio-weapons.
It kind of depends as far as nostalgia goes, it depends on your reason to include it. If you do it because you want it to be like before then yeah it is nostalgia but if you use it as an an idea of “that is interesting since it might develop the story” then it is not.
As far as Kylo and Rey I am not interested, I am only in it for Luke. (OT, I know)
Not interested in another Ripley movie, it is time to move on.
Having it created by the Engineers would at least be better and not tied to humans. If you say that the Engineers found it and developed it then it would leave the origins a mystery because we would not know where it originated.
Gavin: Yeah I have heard about the idea of the Alien speaking with Ripley’s voice. I am not sure if it is true or not (I take it as hear-say until I get something confirmed) but that idea is lame. Ridley is very good at visuals but he should stay far away from the story, otherwise it will be crap. Not sure if it was his idea that David created it but that idea is bad no matter who came up with it.
He was fairly new as a director when he made alien (1979) so I wonder how much of a say that he had. Now he has worked a lot and can decide more but back then it was probably different. Maybe he could be a producer but not a director, and keep him far away from the story otherwise it will be a “I love David”-movie which is effed up. Not sure how much of AC that was because of the studio and how much that was because of Ridley but his ideas did not make it better, if I put it that way.
I think that the idea of a TV-series could be interesting if it is done right. There are more things in the franchise than Ripley and the Xeno. Look at 28 Days Later (a movie that I really like), the zombies were just there to further the story, that is how the Xeno should be also. Actually you could have monsters that are related to it but not be Xenos (Neomorph, Squid-monster, etc.) so to speak, I would accept that.
To me it should be clear that it is in the alien franchise and not some confusing stuff like “is it an alien movie or not?” Decide if it is in the alien-verse or not. If it isn’t then make it into its own thing.
The colonial marines could work, it would be some action-stuff but if it is handled right then sure why not? What else is it that they have been dealing with other than what they did in Aliens? What if there was a side within the colonial marines that was in a conspiracy about something and the rest do not know about it. When they that benefit from it get in a situation that they are afraid that they will loose control over what ever that is they we see that faction trying to do what ever they can to keep its power.
More about the Engineers would be interesting. I would watch that thing if they get it right. That is one thing that Prometheus did right but unfortunately AC seemed to put an end to them. You got to keep it obvious to people that it is tied to the Alien franchise and how. Perhaps they have seeded other worlds and have made other monsters? We could also see something about their culture, and so on.
Hadley’s Hope or something similar could work, those that have watched Aliens would probably get it if it is done well. Maybe the Name Weyland is more known now when we have had Prometheus and if it is done right and the Weyland name is used then maybe it could work. This was well made in Aliens
We could follow some workers or colonists that live their daily lives at a colony run by the Weyland company and the dangers that they face. What could be tricky is to avoid it being like an Aliens 2 but that could be done in some way, don’t ask me how. They do not need to have to focus on soldiers, or the Xeno. Maybe there are more monsters in the Alien-verse that are not Xenos?
Not interested in anything that is from the perspective of the androids (about what Chris wrote). Alien Covenant killed that one for me
That sounds nice I guess but please no more movies about David. I am all for making things like the small shorts, that is fine but the way that the big movies are doing (by big movies I mean things like Alien, Aliens – you understand) is not good. The last one was a disappointment so I do not want anything like that.
I am not against exploring more about the Engineers or maybe the company but F another android story. Something that involves the goo in some way could be interesting to see although I am not sure how that could be done and by the way that David babbling short about it is not in the movie so to me it is not official at all. Rumors about Scott working on an alien-project could mean anything. I am sorry but until I see something concrete I am remaining skeptic, I think that is the best thing to do.
Don’t retcon Alien 3, I would be very disappointed if they did so. If that would be the case I would sure boycott that movie.
Getting some movies that are independent from each-other might not be a bad thing. Get a good story and characters that we can get behind and a lot of it is fixed. Yeah, find other ways that do not involve a queen (it has been done many times before, it gets stale). I would not mind another alien movie that does not have Ripley or David in it, I would rather welcome it.
Having more movies that include the Engineers is fine by my as long at it is clear that it is in the alien franchise, and that does not mean that we always need Xenos. LV-223 was more interesting than the Engineer planet in Alien Covenant and it was also darker which meant that more things were in the shadows compared to AC. I agree with Cerulean Blue about the Engineers (sorry if I misspelled it).
Daliens: Well 92000 of which of many might have read it many times isn’t that much if you look at the total of the world’s population but yeah it is interesting.
What I don’t want:
A focus on androids and to have crappy written human characters.
I am open to different things sure but those are the things that I have had enough of.
dk I am sick and tired of the alien formula and the whole lot of cliches it brings along. I want something new.
Good. A TV series requires to much of the audiences free time. I'd rather have a good quality movie with the perks of seeing it in theaters (big screen and great sound system) instead of some 6 or 7 episode tv show. I don't mind paying a movie ticket to see an ALIEN movie for 2 1/2 hours. I do mind that I have to make time to watch a tv show every Wednesday that lasts an hour for 2 months; and that's even if it is being played on a channel that I can get. Hopefully the series would've been available on cable. If not, I guess I wouldn't get to watch it!
Just give the fans a movie in the next few years. I think that would just make everyone happy, even though it should've been sooner, but FOX was in a buy out. So, I guess we can all understand the lateness of another movie.
Hybrids, mutants, clones.
Alien franchise can be diverse without this. There are still Ultramorphs, smart aliens, other subspecies.
Hmm...I would punt to Hal Douglas if he was around. Something like- "In a WORLD of human struggle pitted against interstellar and corporate interests, an unassuming woman.....BUM BUM BUM BUM.....would be tested....BUM BUM BUM BUM....within an inch....BUM BUM....of.....BUM ....her............life...............BUM BUM BUM.....and the life of her cat"
Well, here is a better example LOL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bcKFrHFS64
