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Thanks for the added clarification daliens! Wonderful find!

THR confirms the news:

"Fox's Emma Watts came out to introduce Dark Phoenix, calling it the "perfect sendoff for our X-Men team." The Marvel mutants have been at Fox since 2000's X-Men movie, which is credited with launching the modern era of superhero films.

Watts also noted that Fox will be providing plenty of tentpoles for Disney, now that the former will no longer oversee the Marvel properties, as those will fall under Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige.

"We intend to do our part, and it is in that spirit that we will continue to create new stories,” she said, name-checking Kingsman, Alien, Planet of the Apes and Avatar."

That't the spirit!

Thank, Chris.

Fingers crossed.

I'm remaining curiously optimistic.

I am both excited and concerned

 2023: Building Better Worlds

That sounds really good. It doesn't have to have anything to do with Alien proper but it could. It could go in at least three different directions. I think calling it 2023 and releasing it that year could cement a generation of viewers at least.

I certainly think as a Starting Point to a Spin-Off TV Series/Streaming.

The Name is something that has to be considered...

2023 Odyssey a Weyland Story

If we are talking about the Journey of Peter Weyland from that defining Moment in 2023.  Or Weyland: (insert secondary Title)

I think it would be interesting.... we DONT want to get into the Territory of calling it ALIEN: something, as expectations would be when is it going to connect to ALIEN in context of NOT about Weyland or Androids...

I think another Problem is that Weylands History and TED Talk does seem to have AI and Androids as a very Important Part of the History, and i fear a lot of Fans are NOT interested in this due to Alien Covenants David.

Certainly that is NOT the only String to Weylands BOW however.

Maybe 2023: Building Better Worlds, could work?

I will be a bit BUSY... but i will come back to Read this...

Reading the First Page...  i like the Concept/Idea of the Engineers arriving at Planet 4 and being very moved and upset at what they discover... certainly makes them more of a Humanity. 

The idea of discovering CCTV of what happened is interesting as far as HOW they discover the Perpetrators

Ideas i had/Theory would be that they would either have to Discover Walter and somehow he points out where David is off too.... or they Discover Recordings on the Crashed Juggernaught.

Discovering Human Remains, a Human looking Walter would draw the Engineers to Earth, if we assume that Earth is the only place that has HUMANS.... but HOW the Engineers Determine that David is off to Origae-6 is something that i would be interested to see HOW you tackle.

The Logical way i concluded would be they Discover Walter and somehow he can point out the Constellation on a Star Map the Engineers show him.  Or some other means they can access Walter, or Discovery of something left behind that would indicate where Origae-6 is.

Of-course the Movie Alien Covenant does-not show EVERY minute that transpired on Planet 4 from when David took them to the Cathedral/Citadel  so there is potential Dialog that happened that was not shown in the Movie.

For Example Oram/Daniels could have shown David a Map on a Device of where they was heading for... If such a Device was left behind during the Hell that broke out.. then a Engineer could find this and activate it and IF it shows a Constellation, they could input this into their Systems and PLOT a course to where they are heading.

The only Problem would be this would show them WHERE those Humans where going, and NOT where David would be heading..  But they could cover all bases and Go Off to Origae-6, but also Earth (which is a Plot Hole) so there would have to be some reason they would head for Origae-6 instead.

Anyway... i look forwards to reading your work at some point over the next 24/48 hours ;)

I applaud you for your Effort... i only get as far as a kind of Beat Sheet where i am like at 60-75% of what i want, and undecided about the rest due to different ideas, and then had thought out roughly how say a number of scenes would pan as far as remotely like a Draft.

I have only read a couple pages so far, but it looks really good! 

I think we have to look at the PLOT of Alien Covenant, ignoring all the David/Planet 4 stuff (Alien Covenant Origins Book for example).

We have a Large Group of Humans who wish to abandon Earth and the Kind of World that has become, in pursuit of a New Haven, a New Eden a Paradise to Start a New Life.

Are the Covenant Crew the only ones aware of Origae-6? 

Nope! and its possible others would want to go to Origae-6 too,  and in any such Colonization Venture if you Determine the World is Totally Earth like...  and so a Mission jut has to arrive and start to Build/Set Up Infrastructure  begin to Plant Earth Food/Crops.

Then its likely a Secondary Mission would be planned to arrive years latter to deliver more Cargo, Food, Equipment etc etc. Plus some extra Human Colonist.

We can PONDER that this incoming Ship would be expecting a World that is close to Earth like, where the Covenant Ship would have already had been on for a number of years.

So it would be interesting WHAT Origae-6 would actually be like by the time this OTHER Ship arrives.

Ridley Scott claimed there would be 3-4 Incoming Parties... now by Virtue of a 3/4 must imply that ONE Party is similar..  so it could be the 3rd/4th are Alternative Human Ships or Alternative Engineer Ships... but then it could be WALTER (from Planet 4) ...which i doubt but could be. 

David as Walter had informed Mission Control if you would that the Covenant is continuing on its Mission to Origae-6.

David as David had informed via Secure Link someone at Weyland-Yutani of who he is and what he has been up to.

I think its highly likely that ONE of the Human Ships would NOT be prepared and would be expecting to Find the Covenant Colony Set-Up on a very Earth like World.

What kind of a WORLD would they arrive at?  I feel this ANGLE they have to go with, from the incoming Humans Perspective... much like Alien Covenant was from the Covenant Missions Perspective (it was not set about the 10 year period of what David was up to.. but AFTER).

Yes at a latter point the Weyland-Yutani would turn up with knowledge of what happened...  the Advent Message... but its likely they would also send Missions to LV-223 and Planet 4.

so WHAT KIND OF A WORLD... would there be to Discover when the other Human Ship arrive would be the best way to go..

We could end up with a very similar Plot to Raised by Wolves, in context to a Human Colony or Engineered Humans that are raised by David and FED what ever lies he had given them....  For those who DONT want a David movie, well a Aftermath could show what happens when these Beings had Revolted Against David...

This would be more interesting if they are NOT your traditional Humans but Enhanced... and even if David is GONE by the time we start our Movie.... its HOW do those Enhanced Humans who now call Origae-6 Home react to incoming Humans from Earth?

But as i have said this would be a Distraction from ALIEN unless these beings were LESS-HUMAN or at some point we get the introduction of some Horrors of other Experiments David had conducted...

I feel HOWEVER that most Alien Fans would rather see a incoming Human Ship arrive at a World that would be kind of like a Worse Case than turning up to Planet 4 and coming across the SPORES and Davids Eggs in the Cathedral/Citadel

In this case... it cant be a World that LOOKS like the OT Banner.... BUT it could become a World like this after the incoming Humans stumble upon a HORROR that gets loose and out of control...

Or the Banner is what HAPPENS after the Engineers Turn up too.

Thoughts_Dreams

Certainly you are not alone with people being not interested in a David Focused World!  Some are Wishfully thinking David does-not create the Xenomorph... maybe this can be changed.

The KIND OF WORLD idea for this Plot... could be what kind of a World is Discovered by a incoming Human Mission, compared to what they had thought that Origae-6 would be.

So you could have a World that is set in a Time AFTER things have got out of Control...    a World where David is what we saw of Dr Shaw.. a Corpse of just Missing!

I ponder if David is to arrive at Origae-6 he could see the World as a Good Starting Point, compared to the Contaminated Planet 4.   It appears David is very interested in Creation.... he has a lot of Genetic Material to Experiment with on the Covenant, but also what other Life-forms are on Origae-6 that he could want to EVOLVE/PERFECT.

A World David would Create to his own Preferences and he is bound to see the POTENTIAL in his Experiments and Xenomorph as far as the Traits his Creation has that could be a Evolution to the Life on Origae-6

WE could introduce a more Xenomorph/ALIEN Aesthetic to these Creations/World, something more HR Giger...

And so its not quite about what David would Create... but WHAT happens in the Aftermath of such things...   Tampering with LIFE that would imprint some Traits of the Xenomorph could have Dire Consequences. 

Look at our Humble Worms that become Hammerpedes!

So Evolving  a World, that not only be Humanoids, but other Life-Forms could be a BAD idea if these Organisms have traits of the Deacon/Xenomorph...  and you can see anyone attempting to so this would STRUGGLE to contain/control such a WORLD.

So what happens when things go to POT!

So it does-not have to be based around DAVID and when he is doing all this stuff... we could ARRIVE at this World long after the Effects of Davids Experiments get out of Control and so we DONT even have to have David in it.

BEFORE... we got Alien Covenant.. i am pretty sure we all could Speculate on what happens when a WORLD is contaminated with the Black Goo... and while we see this with the Neomorph Spores...  i think many Fans would have NOT expected such a Limited Aftermath...

You would have been drawn to the Worlds LIFE and Fauna to had been replaced by some Horrors... and not just BBQ Engineers.

Fire and Stone showed us what a World could look like after the Black Goo..... i think we could ponder what IF we see Origae-6 have similar happen... and WHAT happens when a Human Ship arrives at the AFTERMATH!

We still need some Answers.... and so Discovering a Disabled David to just activate and get some information from like they did with Bishop in Alien 3 is something they could explore....

The LONGER a sequel takes... the more likely this would be Davids Role/Fate!

"If we are 3 movies away from Alien, we would be about 15 years away from that considering the time between Prometheus and AC. Will RS be around to direct?"

Certainly is the Big Point... HOW could he fit another few movies that are going to Chronologically link to ALIEN?

Had Alien Awakening got the Green Light and Produced (so if Alien Covenant had made at least 50% more than it had).  I think 2019 would have been the Earliest we would have seen the Sequel.   And if we are off to Origae-6 and assume the movie takes place on this World, then the Covenant would not arrive until the Year 2122... which leaves 10 years before ALIEN.

We have to ASSUME... unless they use any Time-Travel/Tear in Space... Plot... that the Derelict has been on LV-426 for more than a Few Months...

So a 8-9 Year Period would pass/be covered from the Covenant Arriving on Origae-6 until the Derelict arrives on LV-426.   This would be HARD to make more than TWO Movies to Span that Time-Frame.

A New Prequel Trilogy could be a squeeze (Alien Covenant 1-3)  but i cant see how more than 3 movies (inc Covenant) would fit into a 17 Year Period (consider 7+ of them will be getting to Origae-6).   This would be effected more/limited depending on WHEN the Covenant arrives at Origae-6 and WHEN the Derelict lands on LV-426. 

Without showing Davids Xenomorphs are Different, or Time-Travel, then these events would Transpire over a 9-10 Year Maximum Period.

I feel the other Movies would likely had been Parallel to a series of 1-2 sequels to Alien Covenant.  And so cover other goings on in the Time-Line of 2105-2122 or other things that occur between 2122-2179

Ridley Scotts Age i feel is a Factor... IF he was to play a role in another 1-2 ALIEN Prequels then he would have to get to work on them within 2-6 Years.  I just cant see Ridley Scott Directing in say 10 years time.

"There are more things that you can have in the prequels without it being dominated by a robot that is just evil/have a messed up programming or what ever"

AND

“some may hope for a Explanation that shows Davids Xenomorphs are NOT on the Derelict.”

Yes please"

You are not alone in these concerns... in context to what we do for a sequel, and one that revolves around David Engineering another Human Race who inhabits Origae-6

A large Problem is what kind of a Society/Civilization is built by the time any other Human Ship arrives... and the TIME-RESTRAINTS of the Franchise would LIMIT this.

You see if we ASSUME that we are going to Origae-6, then by the time we have the Covenant Arrive, until when the Nostromo Crew Discover the Derelict we are left with JUST 10 years.

IF they indicate in the sequels that DAVID does-not create the Xenomorph that is on LV-426, then the sequels are not BOUND by Forcing/Marching us to when Davids Xenomorphs end up on the Derelict within a Space of 10 years.

But then Fans are expecting a ALIEN Prequel... and a Engineer's Return...  which limits the DEPTH you could give to any Origae-6 Story as far as a World that has Humanoids that David would Engineer.

IF we go for such a Plot... then Davids Engineered Humans would have to GROW Quick... but we have seen this explored with Clone Movies and Replicants.  so this could still WORK.

The Dislike for David.. would be a Problem... ONE-WAY would be a Aftermath... A Human Ship arrives at Origae-6 some 5-7 years after David arrived and they discover these Humanoids who are a bit Different... and maybe David is Dead/Disappeared?

IF these Humanoids were raised on the Doctrine that David is their Creator and God, and he had Died, or Disappeared.. then it would be interesting HOW these Humanoids would react to the Incoming Humans!

Would they know who Humans are?  What would David had said?

The BIGGER twist would be IF this Human Ship has a Walter, and then those Humanoids could INSTANTLY think this is the Return of their Messiah!

What happens when the Humans and Walter, discover Effigies to David/Walter and see he was seen as GOD/Creator to these Humanoids?   And then the Humans/Walter explain to these beings the Origins of David/Walter a revelation that their Would-Be GOD is actually a Creation of these Incoming Humans.   And that these Androids are meant to Serve and NOT be Gods.

HOW would a Superior Race to Humans accept that these inferior Species have turned up and declare that they are the Creator of their GOD! and there is NOTHING important about their Creator, he is ONE of many who are made to Serve MANKIND.

This would be VERY interesting, a PLOT that could lessen Davids Screen Time (he could not even play a Role) and Fassbender plays a Walter like Character.  You could also wonder how does the Incoming Walter Model React when he sees that ONE of his own Kind could go on to become a Creator and God like Figure instead of being a Servant?

What happens when Engineers Turn up or do so in a Sequel?

The PROBLEM is that by going for a Direct Prequel route now, any of this would be a Distraction, the Xenomorph would be expected, and the movie would be expected to SET-UP a sequel that would HAVE to be more ALIENY and link to ALIEN..

So its a Distraction!

But i do expect Elements explored in my Topics on this subject to show up in Ridley Scotts TV Series Raised by Wolves, which will have Freedom to Express these and not be Forced to have to connect to ALIEN.

Absolutely the Characters have to work..... i dont think Characters are what you build the movie about, you need to look at the Plot Points to build a Structure, these are the Basis....   The Blocks of the Movie.

ONCE you have that... then you have to look at the Characters you have in the Movie and then its a Question of HOW WELL these are done that will effect how well the Movie will do...   The Development/Execution of the Characters are the THREAD that ties it together, the MORTAR that  binds the BLOCKS

A Weak Mortar and the Blocks will just Fall Apart! So yes once you have your PLOT, you then need to get the Characters Right... a Movie can FAIL on how Poor or Connecting the Characters are... so in a way this is  PRIORITY.

You can get a Plot a A-Z of the Movie done that sounds Good and Interesting, then you need a Writer in who can Flesh Out the Characters then a Director who can get the BEST out of them, and Cast who can Portray them well.

I know your not a Fan of the Android Aspect... and a Fan of Human Characters, but a Movie can work and have you connect with NONE-HUMAN Characters IF its done right but you will always need STRONG and WELL-WRITTEN Humans to act as a ANCHOR point, and be our Eyes/POV to the Story.

So indeed any Movie that covers other Races, or Engineers, would need Human Characters to connect with the Audience.

A Problem with say David having his own Colony of Engineered Superior Humans, and having little or NO Humans in the movie...  would be its hard to connect to such beings especially if they appear Less Human and are Superior and somewhat Super Human.. 

They have to be given some Humanity, some Peril, something to have us see some Plight for their Species.  This could be difficult to accomplish but NOT impossible.  It would require making any other Characters be they Incoming Humans or Engineers, be the ones who the Nasty Selfish SOB's and making the Engineered Humanoids on Origae-6 the ones who are innocent and in plight, just as the Avatar  has with the Na'vi...  you could even have David become Disappointing and try to Destroy these Humanoids, and see their Peril at escaping the Plans David has for them!

But for this to work, it usually would need some Humans to act as support and Sympathizers to these Humanoids. And being the ones to try and help those Humanoids... or have some Humans in Peril and have some of these Humanoids to help the Humans.

Without any ACTUAL Humans it would become harder to Gauge/Connect with any other Humanoid Species, be they Engineers, be they Davids Creations or some Natives on Origae-6.

There is so many ways a Sequel set on Origae-6 could go, and we could see that there are some Native Humanoids, and if we are to connect with them, then they have to be portrayed as Innocents, and the Colonist or David as the Wicked... but this kind of PLOT could become a bit too much like AVATAR.

Certainly is something to consider... what a surprise it would be for the Covenant Colonist to Discover Origae-6 has Humanoids already there... HOW do they react?

Do the Natives become Aggressive, Welcoming?

Do they form a Bond/Covenant and work hand in hand, and then we see the Colonist start to Treat Walter as just a Machine, and so Walter (David) starts to feel... "here we go again"...  and then Unleashes Hell on those Humans?

How do the Natives React? Does he attack them too? How do they View/Treat David?  Would they see him as a Godly Figure, and how would Humans react to that.

So yes a lot of Potential, but again maybe it puts Davids Role as being quite HIGH for some Fans, and also Fans would ask HOW would this connect to ALIEN eventually and so it would have to have the Xenomorph or Similar involved and SET-UP a sequel that would connect more closer to ALIEN.

"Having another movie just for the sake of it is nothing that I support, I prefer quality over quantity."

I would not really agree with this... i think YES i agree in Terms to giving us another ALIEN movie set aside from the Prequels, or giving us a sequel to Alien Resurrection, or GOD Forbid a Reboot of ALIEN 3

But the Alien Covenant we had a series that was billed as a Prequel Route that would lead to ALIEN... and so ALIEN Covenant is the ONLY movie that actually LENDS to Needing a Sequel.   Prometheus also to a degree... the other ALIEN movies... they all ended without the Need for a Sequel.

There is a Problem with Alien Covenant and the route taken though, and i feel they need to remember that while they have given us a ALIEN Prefix Prequel Series, then the Movies have to connect to the Xenomorph and lead up to ALIEN i think by Virtue of the Route taken they cant go and try and explore other things if the Emphasis is to NOT include or set up the Xenomorph or lead into ALIEN.

The route Alien Awakening was rumored to take, is a distraction of Sorts to the ALIEN Franchise, and certainly does-not follow what the Set-Up seems to be from the Movie.

Regarding Prometheus and the Disappointments... a lot of Criticism on the Internet had been about how POOR the Characters and Questionable Actions and other Flaws were.   The movie could have been about Xenomorphs, or even just been a Weyland Company Movie and indeed getting the Characters and Story right are a MUST.

But there are a % of the Fans who EXPECTED to see more of a connection to ALIEN which this movie just never delivered, these Connections are HOW does this connect to ALIEN and offer any clues to the Derelict its Purpose, the Space Jockey its Purpose, and the Xenomorph Egg Origins.

I dont think every fan expected to see exact answers or even show us the Space Jockey Event or have Xenomorphs running around...  some would have expected this.. i think a lot more just expected  a bit more of a Connection.

I think a lot of what made Alien Covenant become something different was Fans just appeared to not be too happy with seeing a Sequel that would follow David and Dr Shaw to meet our Engineers and NEVER give any clues to ALIEN or maybe have any related Monsters.

Which is when they heard about Blomkamps Alien 5 Project this seemed to get more Hype from the Fanbase... and so this MAYBE is why FOX felt that they needed to give the Fans the Origins of the Xenomorph and bring it back.

Once the Dust had Settled with Prometheus, more Fans accepted what the Movie was trying to do, but they still could not overlook the FLAWS of the Movie as far as Characters and Execution of the Plot went.  So i agree this means that a Majority of Gripes are HOW the movie had been executed.

I still think there was expectation that the movie would at some point in its series give Fans something more closer to ALIEN and Answers...  I feel the comments by Ridley Scott and Lindeloff that appeared to suggest a Sequel would NOT connect to ALIEN or be about the Xenomorph, may have effected some Fans interest in seeing a Prometheus 2.

There was a lot of Anticipation for Blomkamps Alien 5, and excitement...  which may have helped to sway FOX to bringing back the Xenomorph and to CONNECT to ALIEN rather than STEER away.... and i think they were SHOCKED at how Disappointing Alien Covenant had done.

Its hard for them to Gauge what went wrong.... and deciding what they feel they need to change is going to be tough. They cant afford to get it WRONG Twice.

I think a Bull Alien could work if we have a infection of some Bovine Beast

There is plenty of Scope for Expanded Stories in the ALIEN Universe thanks to Prometheus and what it had opened up.  You could have a Indication of a Story Set in Mythical Times Merging the Engineers with the Story of the Minotaur as being such a Beast!

If we even look at Origae-6... if the objective is to SET-UP a Colony, you sure as hell would expect the Covenant Ship to bring Crops with them and so they would Plant/Harvest crops like Wheat and Corn.... they would also bring some Animals with them and Cattle would be a Good Option.

This could bring the Potential to see a COW or Similar become Infected and Produce a Horned Horror, and i feel having some Helpless Humans being Chased by a Xenomorph-like Beast in a Wheat or Corn Field would offer some Suspense as you would not be able to see where the MONSTER is coming down and would add a whole NEW dimension to being chased and NOT seeing where from, with NO Escape and would make for maybe a more Tense Chase Scenes than running through Tunnels on a Ship or Prison etc.

Who knows what kind of Project it would be...

I dont think Hallett works a lot as far as Comics go, i feel he does a lot of Concept Work, but his comments seem to indicate to me that he has been doing some work for a Titan Books Project that means he would be having at least ONE but maybe more of his work appearing in this Book/Project.

It does-not seem like its Work he had done previously for any kind of Story they had been working on behind the scenes...

So it seems more like its work for a Book that had been in the Process of being worked on.

So i think it could be a series of Novels for which he has worked on the Cover-work (other Illustrations inside).  Or maybe Titan are working on a Similar Book to a ALIEN Encyclopedia or similar.  

So maybe a Updated Alien The Weyland-Yutani Report

I think ALIEN Day will give us a indication to what this Project is.

Happy Belated Birthday to  Micheal Fassbender

Regarding David.... i found his Character interesting, but i am not sure it was quite the right direction taken in Alien Covenant.

I think some fans also see David's Character as being something that has KILLED off a number of Avenues that a Sequel to Prometheus could have explored.

*Follow Dr Shaw and her Quest for Answers when she Finally arrives at Paradise.

Nope she never gets them because David KILLS her.

*To Discover more about the Engineers, their Motives, Reasons for this and that.

Nope we never get anything because David KILLS them.

*Some Fans hoped we may see more clues about the Xenomorph and maybe what role LV-223 played.

Nope! We get the revelation that  David creates them, from being Bored and wanting something to Destroy Mankind (this is how it can be interpreted by some).

These are THREE things i think Fans may have had high hopes for in the Sequels...  but the Sequel became like the David show and he KILLED OFF the First Two things and was responsible for Number 3, really has upset/disappointed fans.

In reality these Plot Twists are what the Studio came up with, which have made a bit of a Hatred Towards David's Character.... i think it will be hard to get a David Character back on track that many fans would want to see.

But everyone is entitled to their opinions and indeed the Studio/Ridley Scott had made some bad decisions in context to how a sequel could have been handled.

You are a very difficult customer, madam.

I got my Thursday night ticket even though Fandango was being a pain in the ass.

BD:

Sure I agree that it will not be perfect but they should have tried better like getting a writer that can write characters or at least someone that does not write it so we only get three or maybe four of them (MF *2, Oram, and eventually Farris).

“But certainly the First 3 Movies were Fine... after that, well the Characters never worked for me.”

For me too as far as Prometheus is concerned I think that Janek and David were alright but I did not care about the rest. The AVP’s, ha ha ha!

“I think on the BROAD basis, i agree with the Franchise, the Xenomorph is ONLY a Part... and in terms of after the Franchise, with a Prequel i agree there should be something more than the Xenomorph... do something NEW.”

Yeah, otherwise it gets repetitive (Friday the 13 th anyone?).

“And trying to do something thats NOT about the Xenomorph, so trying to pull a Prometheus for a Alien Covenant Sequel would be a Distraction....”

Maybe but it also depends on what you focus on and how you make the human characters. They can try something new but it has to be given a lot of thought and be executed well (I actually thought that the Engineers were interesting, not so much David in Covenant though). I agree that it must be better than Prometheus but at least it tried something new to its credit.

Yes new monsters and the Engineers is what I hope that the next one will have. They got to be made interesting and make sense without being obvious.

The company could have a part in it so we get the no good corporation thing back. I do not say that it has got to be all about that but at least I am more interested in that than in Weyland trying to get more life.

“However... when talking about the sequel Ridley Scott said it Would-Not be about the Xenomorph, it would be about AI and what KIND of a World David would Create/Build.”

Yeah, the thing is that I don’t care about that at all. I am tired of it always being about David so stop that. There are more things that you can have in the prequels without it being dominated by a robot that is just evil/have a messed up programming or what ever.

“But i agree RS does appear Vague with Statements, so confusion often happens., sometimes you can Ponder if he is the one who is Confused lol”

Someone give him an interpreter, now. LMAO!

What I like about the franchise that the movies are different compared to each-other so many people find something to like and very few people agree with each-other, but that is alright. Yes I know that many dislike Alien 3 but I am totally fine with that, there are many people that like it but also many that dislike it or are indifferent to it.

Yup, the Engineers are interesting and I hope that they will get an expanded role if there will be another movie. Less David please.

“FOX felt that having the Origins Answered and introducing the Xenomorphs is WHAT the Fans want... Hence RS and his "they want Aliens, i will give them Fricken Aliens" comment.”

Yeah but I think that Fox misread the whole situation. I have seen many comments about characters doing lame stuff but I have seen less criticism that there were no aliens.

“Whatever David does for the next 5-8 years is NOT likely going to please Fans,”

I can only speak for myself but I honestly do not care about that. He can go fishing or something and I would be like “what ever”.

“some may hope for a Explanation that shows Davids Xenomorphs are NOT on the Derelict.”

Yes please

“I dont think most Fans are like... oh i we need mainly Good Human Characters... they would want other stuff but expect that the movie would need Improved Human Characters to work.”

I can see that but then how would they react if the characters were not well-done? This is where I think that they are important even if that is not what you find the most interesting about it.

“We need Human Characters in Peril... but we also need a THREAT that is Good, and Fits within the ALIEN Franchise...”

I agree, but no Zombie (I am looking at you Prometheus) thank you very much.

Running time, well they got to prioritize. For me it is a good story and good human characters, at least so there are enough of them. The rest comes after that (environment, androids, what ever).

“For me this would make it all about David... and i think thats a mistake.”

Yeah because if that is the plan they might as well throw it into the toilet.

It was alright, we did not get to know much about the character but I like the horror vibe. Some people might complain but at least it was more alien than P and AC.

NTFS: If it would be me I would wait for a squad of soldiers with serious bombs to blow the shit up. If there would be any bacteria or something in there it would probably die in the explosion. It is the only way to be sure. ;)

Leto:

Yes, they did not learn from Prometheus and made poorly written and/or executed characters. All they thought was that it was about the Xenos and they were wrong so we ended up with Alien Covenant. There are now more bad or average alien movies than there are good ones.

Lone:

“Ridley really needs to finish the story, whether it be good, bad or indifferent.”

Even if that means that we get another Alien Covenant or even worse Alien R? I would not mind another if they improve the quality but if it will be the same or worse then I am not very pro that. Having another movie just for the sake of it is nothing that I support, I prefer quality over quantity.

In general I got to say that Fox never understood what the criticism of Prometheus was about. Not having the Xeno in it was far from what the criticism of Prometheus was about so I don’t know whee they got that from.

The bull-alien looks sort of strange but I like the other one. Maybe it is that a bull looks less alien (no pun intended) and that is is more clumsy while a Xenos is more agile or maybe it is because of how the horns look but anyways it is cool that they try. I like how the teeth look at the bull-alien, it reminds me a bit of a more evil version of the joker, maybe because they are a bit more red. (That is dark-red. No?)

A world where they collect toilet paper that they paint in different colors and where perverted reptiles dance to disco music dressed as unicorns with ears on their butt-cheeks. ;)

To me it seems boring so I kind of make fun of it.

What if he erects statues of himself if he sees himself as a king or something similar? What ever it might be we will probably see a planet that has gotten rid of humans the way they are in their present state. Artificially made humans? It is nothing that I would like to see in a movie if it will be about David, yuck.

Personally I think that the dislike is very justified, he is an asshole, and he gets most of the screen-time. Combine this with human characters that are poorly written and you get a movie that is made for a dislike of the android and a dislike for the movie in general even though some parts are OK.

I don’t want a movie about David, that is not why I watch these. Go back and see what made let’s say 85, Clemens, Vasques, Ripley, and so on work and try to develop it from there without copying it. Right now there is no one to support, not a single character. Maybe they want us to care about David but he is like a Goebbels so forget that. Alien Covenant made him worse compared to Prometheus. Not a single damn given from me about what kind of world that he wants to make.

Sure it would have been nice to see more Giger stuff in Covenant but that was far from my biggest complaint about it. I got to say that I was not very impressed with the Engineer planet.

“So its possible David could take the Planets Life, and try to Create his OWN from it, or Evolve it..... so we could see him PLAY that Dr. Moreau all over again... “

Maybe, but I don’t want a movie about that. Not interested, don’t care. Some people might like it, I am just stating my opinion. Having more Giger monsters would be interesting however that would not be enough for me to enjoy it but I understand that we all appreciate different things and have different priorities.

“I would love to see either David play the Dr. Moreau again...” - BD

I understand that we all have our interests when it comes to the franchise but I would say a ten times No at least. Having it about David made the whole situation worse.

“… or if not David then i would like to see him Create some things and then see the Engineers take these and play the HR Giger Dr. Moreau on LV-223.” - BD

That would be better, the Engineers are interesting but David is just crazy. If it would be like that then cut down on the screen-time of David, more Engineers please but they must make sense and be well done.

4 movies? In the prequel series? They will be lucky if they will get to do one more with the mess that they have created this far. If I would be a boss at let’s say Disney and have a franchise that is on shaky ground I would really wonder if I would allow one more. A maximum of one other prequel is what I would allow if we look at the profits and how people have responded to them.
As Leto said it could be a small part of the movie but not what it is about if it would be included at all.

Um yeah, I would prefer more short-movies instead of having it about androids.

So when would we say is his birthday- a specific date and time for our records or a moment for his? Ambiguous, yes, but it invites discussion for the fun of it.

It seems he realized that pretty soon, among the masterpieces displayed in the white room, he was a masterpiece himself.

BigDave There are many good points here, but I would think almost no proper theatrical movies would be made.  

It seems the story would have to be done by other means considering all of those plot points listed.

If we are 3 movies away from Alien, we would be about 15 years away from that considering the time between Prometheus and AC. Will RS be around to direct? 

I don't think the Alienverse will end anytime soon. Considering current viewing habits and trends, I would think the series will not continue in theaters and actually flourish with books, comics, streaming etc...

Nice tribute to Michael.

The OP begs the question- was David's birthday when his on switch was flipped, or when he realized he would outlive Weyland? 

@Chris

I would be very thankful. By the way, at the moment there is one for download.

@BigDave

It seems like. Hopefully another Art Book.

I like this neomorph- it is black but still has the translucent look- somewhat like the Deacon as BigDave mentioned. I never really liked the white neomorph with the disjointed looking carapace. 

That was better than last year, really.

You got me, Chris!

Of course they will open, it's a horror.

If it was a safety film we'd see on the door a sign like this:

Unfortunately in this post the Ridley Scott's letter is so compressed that it became unreadable.

You can find it in the forum section, if you follow the links with more coverage of the story that made it to the national tv news, unlike the 6 fan made shorts that won the Alien 40th Anniversary Tongal / Fox competition.

Its hard to say, it depends on If Awakening is the Actual Title and if this has any bearing on the Plot...  Saying that the Covenant Title never had much of a connection to the Movie... apart from their Badges had the Cherubium from the Ark of the Covenant.

But then if we are looking at a Tag Line regardless of the Title, it depends what we can Gauge from the Plot/Set-up.

"A Decade has passed since the USCSS Covenant had departed off to Discover their New Eden, the incoming USCSS Exodus is on route to Origae-6 to expand the Colony and arrive at what they believe would be Earth 2.0 but what Fresh Start to Humanity awaits"

The year is 2115 and the Covenant Ship had arrived about 2.5 years prior, the incoming USCSS Exodus is on its away and expect to arrive at a Colony Setting up a New World/Start, they discover some a Colony, Infrastructure, Wooden Buildings, but a No Sign of the Covenant Ship, despite being in Radio Contact.    

As they arrive they are greeted by at First Glance appear to be a Colony of Humans, dressed in a Pagan Way, it only on close inspection they discover their is something DIFFERENT with these Humans.

It is when they discover Mankind 2.0 and that this Civilization do-not take too kindly to Humanity 1.0 arriving at this New Paradise and NOT deemed worthy.

Well he certainly thought he could make another 6 Alien Movies.

As far as the Prequels he said we are about 3 away from Alien, some reports had him say 2-3 more movies, others 3-4 more movies.

Unless some of these will be set before ALIEN but go off on a bit a different Tangent, i cant see WHY/HOW we need another 2-3 Movies after Alien Covenant before we arrive at the Back Door of ALIEN.

Lets look at the Situation....

If David is off to Origae-6 this will mean he arrives 10 years before Alien... do we have enough time in 10 years to tell 2-3 more Stories before we get to the Period when the Nostromo is on its way to LV-426?

Otherwise if David goes to LV-223/426 Instead or we have a movie set on the Journey to Origae-6 then we have about 17 years to fit in 2-3 Movies.

I think TWO movies to connect to ALIEN is all thats needed.  But i think RS would be looking at other avenues to expand and give us 4-6 Movies.

So that would likely be if only 2-3 would cover what happens to the Covenant, its Crew/Colonist and David, between the year 2105 (End of Alien Covenant) and 2122 (ALIEN) i feel any other plans would maybe cover different things.

This is a Nice Poster.....

I wonder what he means  by his comment regarding Titan Publishing?  Can we expect some Novel/Book by Titan on Alien Day?

Time will tell ;)

Of course the first thing they will do is open the door! 

I enjoy it for what it is and appreciate the effort. Disney and FOX don't seem to be doing much so fans will be creative.