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Cameron would take it in a new direction for sure.  This may be what Disney needs to start to utilize the Alien universe they bought.  New ideas would create new opportunities for everyone.  I guess we'll see.

I have a friend who is very passionate about Aliens and i want to send to him an Alien T-shirt as gift for his birthday And written on the shirt (RUN AWAY) I imagine it a very scary phrase, So please what is your opinion in the gift

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I have a friend who is very passionate about Aliens and i want to send to him an Alien T-shirt as gift for his birthday And written on the shirt (RUN AWAY) I imagine it a very scary phrase So please what is your opinion in the gift

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I have a friend who is very passionate about Aliens and i want to send to him an Alien T-shirt as gift for his birthday And written on the shirt (RUN AWAY) I imagine it a very scary phrase So please what is your opinion in the gift

take look : https://www.etsy.com/listing/666584494/alien-shirt-alien-tee-shirts-space-shirt?ref=shop_home_active_1

It Kinda does however you can have reality and Fantasy together however they do cancel each other out but it also depends on the source material like Godzilla it is more of a fantasy franchise however when you look at Jurassic Park it is set in reality trying to be more scientific 

But doesn't this still mean the Alien Queen is a Disney Princess? 

And Ripley? 

Very interesting, good luck with the site!

I'll be dropping by often to view any new content. 

I have always loved & appreciated practical special effects. I'm also very interested in many of the artists & craftsmen who are involved in their creation, so finding out more about how they were achieved is a given.

Ridley Scott's Sci-fi movies are a prime example of this. Just look at the list of amazing artists, designers & technicians who have been involved with ALIEN, Blade Runner, PROMETHEUS & ALIEN: COVENANT. The Alien, the SJ & his derelict ship, the Hades landscape, Spinners, the Prometheus hangar & bridge, the Engineer head, the amazing contents of David's lab, to name but a few of their mind-blowing creations.

What I wouldn't give to have been able to visit any of those sets!

Another great example is John Carpenters The Thing. Rob Bottin was only 19 years old, yet Carpenter trusted him with what turned out to be truly awe inspiring, experimental creature designs. Some of the components Bottin used turned out to be highly flammable & toxic. Often a case of trial & error, what an unprecedented opportunity Bottin was given. A large part of the films success rests upon his incredible creature design.

Many technicians are problem solving, inventing & evolving as they work. 

The in-camera photographic effects work for Blade Runner has to be one of the best examples to research. It makes the finished product appear even more incredible.

The art of practical effects were almost lost forever. Luckily, the film industry has now seen the benefits & sense of combining modern practical effects with the latest digital technology.   

So for me, finding out more about the painstaking skill involved in bringing those effects to the screen is part of the magic.  

The Engineer helmet design always reminds me of the Selenites from the Nathan Juran directed First Men on the Moon, rather than Giger's Ganesha-like pilot.

This figures helmet design even more so!

I wasn't thinking of A.I. when David revealed this, but instead immediately thought of the famous Lycurgus cup from ancient Rome and Mesopotamia.

Especially seeing behind-the-scene set-piece's does ruin the illusion of reality! 

BigDave Yeah, it hurts to see some of that stuff not used and consider how much time, funds and artistry went into them. 

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Thanks for the Share

I think its down to each person and how they react..

Myself, i find it interesting to see the Behind the Scenes.. the only Problem i usually have is you come across a Scrapped Idea a Prop that Looked Cool but was Cut/Never Used or Finished.. 

Then your like.... Darn-It i wish that was in the Movie!

A Excellent Example would be The Thing 2011

I think the Acquirement of the Alien and Predator Franchises was bound to be in their plans, they are good Franchises to make money from, in a variety of ways.

It seems Deadpool is something they have in mind... i think Deadpool sequels or Spin-Off TV Shows/Streaming are appealing to many.

The Alien and Predator Franchises.... i am not so sure, certainly not as far as a Movie Goes... to do them justice would require $100M Budgets and looking at how The Predator and Alien Covenant Performed and got Criticized i think its a Risky to even Ponder a Movie.

A streaming service, on a smaller Budget could work... however i feel The Predator Universe is something easier to pull off like that.. The Alien Universe by virtue of the Xenomorph, and Space Ships and being in Space would be something that would COST more to do.. if they want to do it justice and NOT end up with this!

Unless they stick to only showing the Beast in the Shadows and NOT fully... (so like the Shower Scene in Alien Covenant) basically you then use limited use of GOOD Props to expose the Xenomorph Attacking via a Claw, Head or Tail.

As showing FULL Xenomorphs running around depends on Budget, and Lower Budget could end up with much AVPR Men in Suits.

@Thoughts_Dreams

Totally get where your coming from as where to GO next, in regards to what to do with Daniels, Tennessee and David and my Reply to you on Alien Awakening, Alien 5 etc Thread i covered the Problems with such, in regards to HOW to do it and what Problems even not including them would face. Its very much Between a Rock and a Hard Place

"Second visit on LV-223/Planet-4 sounds boring. This worlds don't evolve!"

Certainly Leto  i agree.... we do have the Dilemma regarding WHAT becomes of these places... but we dont have to cover them in any shape or FORM... in ALIENS we had Hadleys Hope in a Kind of Ruin.... yet we did-not have to see the Colony being Built, Lived in and then the Moments the Xenomorphs were unleashed.... we got the picture of all of this without having to show any of that.

I would not think RS intends to have Fire and Stone be Canon to where he would have connected them.

"What WY expeditions will show us new? I know only one thing - adult Deacon on LV-223. Nothing more!"

I think potentially it can reveal much more... but i agree ideally you should explore something NEW or... follow what happens to David and the Covenant... or the Aftermath of what happens.

But IF we did go to LV-223 and IGNORE the Comics.. what we saw in Prometheus Scratched the Surface only... it was Vague and Ambiguous..  David had likely gathered a lot of information... but he had not indicated to anyone WHAT he knows in Depth!

The Questions from Prometheus could be answered in a follow up to LV-223, the Questions of Dr Shaws could be answered in going to Planet 4 but i think indeed maybe a Movie needs to cover something else!

A lot of people do seem to think LV-223 was where Engineers had all along Created the Deacon ALONE to Destroy Mankind, or do Re-Create their GOD these in part are wrong/barely scratch the Surface..  but they are right to make assumptions based on the ambiguity alone. (but its so ambiguous, that such assumptions could be shown as correct)

IF we look at what the PLAN was with Alien Engineers which was the beginning of the Prequel Project that Evolved to Prometheus, there is a LOT more to be covered, certainly from what would please Fans who want a more ALIENY less DAVID movie.

Each Outpost on LV-223 is likely to either

a) Contain a Variant of the Deacon/Xenomorph.

b) Or be dedicated/indicated to another World the Engineers had interacted with AND maybe intended to Destroy.

Its a limited view to assume every Complex had the same MURAL and Same Black Goo Variant and more so, was all built to UNLEASH HELL on Earth.

But a lot of the Potential for Expanding the Franchise... was Brushed Aside by Alien Covenant... its NOW only about HOW/WHEN/WHY do Davids Creations end up on a Engineer Ship that ends up on LV-426

"Well I am not very interested in Daniels and Tennessee because they have no personality"

IF i recall you felt the same with Dr Shaw... very Valid Point, but they are something that could be FIXED with a Well Written Story and Character Development.... but on the FLIP-SIDE.. i think i recall you saying that DAVID was the only main INTERESTING Character from Prometheus... but NOW you are NOT interested in him...

I am not BASHING your opinion or claiming any Hypocrisy being shown.... on the Contrary... your Change of Mind goes to show that indeed while its possible on one hand to IMPROVE on Characters... it also shows that Characters who were GOOD can become FLAWED in a sequel depending HOW they are handled.

A Problem we have with Daniels, Tennessee and David is HOW do they interact... considering that Daniels knows about David.... NOW if the ENDING we saw that Daniels had NO clue about David being Walter, and only the viewer was aware.... then that could set up a INTERESTING situation in Future because all three would Interact as though it was Walter, Daniels and Tennessee then the Eventual Discovery by them that Walter is actually DAVID would have lead to a more interesting Scenario than the Limited one we have now..  Which Logically would be David has to KILL them off.

"That sounds like a waiting game, like when you are waiting for the bus and the bus is delayed with ten minutes it is like"

Sadly this is the SAME with ALIENS, Alien Resurrection, and was the same in Alien Covenant.  And to be HONEST.. its going to be the same with EVERY Franchise movie, if they use the same Tropes..

Unsuspecting Humans... come up against some ALIEN threat...  No Matter how you tackle it, we know its only a matter of time before some related Face Hugging, Chest Busting etc.. comes along.

It was waiting for the BUS in Aliens because we knew that going to Hadleys Hope where they lost contact was going to result in that ALIEN Organism that Ripley Encountered in ALIEN would be running Rampant in Number (hence Title).

Aliens had throw away Characters... but what they got right was the Handful or so NEW Characters were more better developed and executed than we got from Alien Covenants.. handful of NOT so Throw Away Characters.

Every movie would be like WAITING for the Bus... its where you then throw out something NEW to surprise the Viewer.. with ALIENS it was the Queen and this was WELL Executed... with ALIEN 3 it was the reveal that Ripley was Gestating a Queen,  with Alien Resurrection it was the NEW BORN which well... enough said about that.... and Alien Resurrection it was the NEOMORPH which was only used as the STARTER to the set up for the DESERT that was the Xenomorph... and both was not executed well enough.  As most of the was devoted to the ENTREE which was David.. which was a bit too much of a Main Course.

By Virtue of a Prequel Fans are also waiting for the BUS as in that inevitable March towards Eggs + Derelict and WHO is in that Pilot Chair.

Introducing Characters in a Sequel... is going to be difficult if we are going to THROW our David under the BUS so to speak.  As far as Character from the Covenant Ship!

Only leaving a Davids Experiments go wrong on the Ship and the Colonist Escape to Origae-6 and BLOW the Ship up kind of a Plot....  But then we have to introduce a THREAT and so there would have to be some way to introduce a ALIEN Organism on the Surface..

The only other Option if we want to GET-RID of David would again be a AFTER-MATH movie were the Covenants Colonist are in EFFECT Written Off apart from a Few Survivors were a Incoming Human Ship arrives at what they thought would be the Partially Set Up Covenant Colony... only to find the place has become a HELL and not a 2nd Eden.

Both kinds of PLOT as a Basis could WORK... they would be NOTHING New though... a Re-hash of sorts... but again IF the Characters are done well, it could be something that COULD work... if not it could be a Alien Trope/Fan Service alone!

The Problem with the SET-UP as discussed in my Alien: Back to the Future Part 3 Thread is that we have..

1) David and the Colony Ship likely heading to Origae-6, where some kind of Colony is likely SET-UP, that then Engineers Return to Planet 4 Discover what went down, and are OFF and SOME HOW know where the Culprit (David) is heading, so they will be INCOMING.. but prior to that its likely another HUMAN ship comes first whos Crew are NOT aware of what happened in Alien Covenant..  and then likely a Weyland-Yutani Ship is incoming WHO are aware of what David has been up to and then we have those PARTIES involved in some kind of a Ruckus! 

It seems a PLOT that is too much to COVER in a single Movie... one that would be Difficult to get depth to Characters due to the number of pieces that have to come together..

2) From here..... we have ANOTHER Movie that May.. or May-not lead to a Engineer Ship and Davids Eggs ending up on it and by some Coincidence or NOT end up close to LV-223/426.

It all seems like a PLOT that would require that FIRST part to take up TWO movies... but then Fans would just be waiting for that BUS to arrive which would be the Conclusion as mentioned in 2) and so the option would be that 1)  would have to either be TWO movies, a 3 Hour Movie or a Rushed Movie where Character Development is Sacrificed at the cost of trying to cover all the Pieces to lead to 2) The Conclusion.  Because to cover 1) and have Good Character Development would be a HARD task, unless its a 3 Hour Movie or TWO Part and i am not sure many Fans would want to SIT-THROUGH Half of that, they would want to get to the Part when the $£"£% Hits the Fan and Weyland-Yutani and Engineers Turn up.

So the Logical Choice has to be a After-Math where we SKIP past the First Half of that SET-UP Plot..

So its like saying we By-Pass Alien Covenant 2... well say 50-70% of it and have a After-math movie... were we kick off with the First Incoming Party arriving!

In effect this is what Alien Covenant did with Prometheus 2 we all but By-Passed what David and Dr Shaw got up to from LV-223 to Paradise.. and then what happened when they arrived, Right Until when the Covenant Ship arrived 10 years latter... we By-Passed what came before... only showing us what happened via Flash-Back and seeing what David had been up to in his Work-shop and his Dialog with Oram and Walter.

So similar could be done with the Sequel... the problem is what becomes of the Characters from Alien Covenant.. how do you introduce any survivors as far as Daniels and Tennessee?  There could be a few ways around it...

But if we get them given the Engineers/Dr Shaw Treatment, then they cant also do that with David... because then you would have NOTHING to connect with Alien Covenant apart from maybe the EGGS. 

It would be like if ALIENS was instead a Plot where Ripley was dead.... NEVER survived.. then you have to introduce NEW Characters... which could have worked... i mean the Amanda Ripley Plot from Alien Isolation could have worked.. so we get  Ripley Dead... but a relation goes to inspect.

Problem is Alien Isolation did this, and so to have a Incoming Ship with Daniels Daughter, or Sister etc coming in to Join her MOTHER/SISTER and then Discovers the Covenant Colony is NOT what they expected... and HELL breaks loose... would not be too Original.

Does-not mean it cant work.... but i think David has to be the Connecting Tissue between such Movies... even if he only plays as short role as ASH from Alien... at very least a BISHOP from Alien 3

@setaverde

I think regarding the Storage of Dr Shaws Dreams and Memories, it is quite conceivable that David could have these stored in his Memory...  WHY maybe at times he could be Haunted by her Memories and Develop a Multiple Personality lol

The Biggest Problem would come from HOW would David Transfer those to a Clone of Dr Shaw or any other Host Body be that Humanoid Flesh and Blood or Synthetic...  i dont think having a reveal that  David by some Miracle managed to obtain the Dream Visor either by (oh he took it with him before they left LV-223) or he goes back to find it... i dont think either would be a good idea, but to serve a Plot Convenience they could do this.

I think IF David actually did care for Dr Shaw, its not beyond reason that he would attempt to Clone Her if he gets the Chance... but a Clone would not have any Memories... (but Ripley 8 seemed too so for the Plot.. they could go that route.. but i think its a Stupid as HOW a Clone can also carry a Xenomorph Embryo as in Ripley Clones in Alien Resurrection).

So a Question would be WHAT part of Dr Shaw did he like... her Physical Appearance? or her SOUL? 

IF it was the kind of person she is, her consciousness, memories etc..  then as a PLOT they could indeed have David try and use if he can obtain.. a way to transfer HER memories to a HOST... now this may be tricky with a Human/Humanoid....  HOWEVER.... should say a incoming Ship have a Female Synthetic of sorts... then its possible David could maybe find a way to UPLOAD Dr Shaws Personality of sorts to a Synthetic... this could be something interesting to consider.

Regarding the ENGINEERS.... i think it depends HOW they would view Mankind...  we could not have mattered too much to them for they NEVER came back.. 

Did they know about us?

Did they think we was all Destroyed?

These could have been possible if they explored the PLOT that their Home-world was Thousands or Tens Thousands or Hundreds of Thousands of Light Years away...  BUT by Virtue of Planet 4 being indicated as their Home-world.. and being about a YEARS Travel away for Human Ships in the years 2100-2110

This means its likely they KNEW about us... but they must have chosen maybe to abandon us... so any kind of collaboration would come down to WHY they wanted to Destroy us in the First Place and if that VIEW was shared by ALL the Engineers at that time... and then is it a VIEW they would still have?

We have to look at the Engineers POV... what purpose, would they have for US? and if they are wishing to work with Mankind to Tackle a Common Threat then we have to ASK does this mean their Numbers are too small to deal with that THREAT... or would they likely just think..... "if we can fool those Humans to work with us, to Rid of David and his Creation/World, without having to put our Species in the Firing Line... then once we have defeated David... we can Finally Destroy Mankind"

I am not too sure the Engineers would want Mankind going around the Galaxy even with our Technology never mind the use of their OWN!

But with RESPECT... you do refer to the MURAL i dont want to get into too much detail about WHAT the Mural was..  but lets just consider the NUT-SHELL is they at least saw the Creation of the Deacon or using of its DNA as something they found was Important to the Degree they would CREATE a Mural for it.

The Deacon is a kind of Xenomorph..  the Procreation of this Organism, or even the AGENDA to Create Organic Life with its DNA... would require SACRIFICE..

And so USING Humans as Hosts/Sacrifices to Create would be VERY fitting and MAYBE... the Purpose those Engineers had Thousands of Years ago....  Maybe this would be done with some kind of Covenant...

A Symbiotic Relationship to a Degree..  Offer something of Benefit to Humanity, in return for Sacrifices. .... and this could have been WHAT maybe was happening in the Past... the reasons for their Visits...  Mankind/Civilization benefits from the Knowledge the Engineers bring... in return from a % of Sacrifices.

If this is a Plausible Explanation for the Engineers/Human Relationship in the Past... it could be something they could consider in the Future... and so indeed making a Covenant on those Grounds with the Weyland-Yutani Company is something we CANT rule out... i think they would only offer Mankind Limited Knowledge/Technology however.

Or allude the company to thinking the Xenomorph would be some kind of Genie in a Bottle that would offer them Great Reward, when in reality all it would be is PANDORA'S Box!

It depends, sometimes when seeing 'behind the scenes' reels for movies/show can spoil the 'magic' when watching the movie/show again. Othertimes it has a 'fun fact' or 'friendly reminder' to it to me, or I just completely forgotten about it.

Though I gotta say, when rewatching the complete Alien anthology (in correct order) more seriously a couple of weeks ago, more focussing on the story; it did change 'Alien' for me. The Company/Ash knew, they where in it all along, sneaky sneaky...

Thanks again! :D

@Thoughts_Dreams> Just couldn't withstand the urge to create. ;)

It's a thin line; adult builders can visualise & imagine more complex shapes & connections in their designs than children, though children are more free & creative with their creations.

BD:

Yeah I agree, I think that AR was one Ripley movie too much. It was like they were not sure what to do of her so they just threw out a movie just because. They should have ended with how it was in Alien 3.

Well I am not very interested in Daniels and Tennessee because they have no personality. Perhaps they can evolve their personality so we see traits of them that we have not seen but the way that they have been portrayed this far is not good. I am not very interested in any of them to be honest.

"You could argue the same for ALIENS... when Ripley is heading on the Sulaco to LV-426…"

Sure but then the characters are a lot better written in Aliens so even if it is kind of obvious it does not matter because I support them. In Alien Covenant there is no such thing so it becomes like "eh". The characters in Aliens are a lot better so it is almost embarrassing to compare AC to Aliens but that is not to say that Aliens is a perfect movie.

"So the Problem with any sequel would be the Fans know who WALTER is and that he is a Psycho we would be just waiting for when he unleashes the Xenomorph or has to deal with the Humans once his Charade is over!"

That sounds like a waiting game, like when you are waiting for the bus and the bus is delayed with ten minutes it is like "… when is the damn bus coming". This is why I think that it is a failure to focus on the androids because they are not that interesting. If they are in it then keep them in the background if at all.

"WHO are we going to have as main Characters to interact with Walter/David until the %£$%£ hits the Fan!"

Some characters that are well written, get another writer. Look around and find someone that is known for making good characters and keep Scott away from the story writing. How difficult can it be? There are many people that write scripts so someone should be able to figure it out. Story first, human characters second, everything else come after that (monsters, androids, and so on).

"You have to look at the Movie from DAVID as he is in control... and how can he go and either set up the colony and pretend to be Walter, or Create his own from Embryos... with Daniels alive and knowing WHO he is.. and killing her or hiding her away will ALERT Tennessee that something smells FISHY!"

From Davids point of view, is that what you mean? I am not very interested in that no matter how much Scott tries to tell us that it is what matters.

"The Big Problem is indeed HOW do we introduce other Humans... and HOW well written they are.
Colonist?, Child Colonist, Raised Embryos? they could all work, incoming Humans? Certainly if they are unaware of the Advent Viral Message and so WHO David is."

All those things could work I guess, it depends on how they are written and also if they are allowed to be given room. In Alien Covenant everything else got into the background when David showed up then it became a movie about androids. If there will be another one then they got to reduce the role of David a lot so we do not get another Alien Covenant because that would be really bad. It might be difficult to do but it depends on if they want to get people interested. Sure they can go on the way they do now but then they should not be surprised if very few people will care, I don't care about the David story I am like "yeah what ever".

Having something about the WY company could work but the way that Scott wants it to be is just not interesting to me.

DK:

Ahaha! I do not laugh at him but the fact that some might be so easily offended is amusing, and sad at the same time. Don’t you think that some of those that were involved with making the franchise (prop-makers, producers, and so on) might have had ridiculous thoughts about some of the alien things some time? My point is that you can not be so extremely serious about a franchise so you can not make fun of it. Hell, look at Star Wars and the parodies and memes that it creates, it is hilarious sometimes.

Biodegradable:

Nah, I did not like it in general, there were some good parts in it but a lot of weak things too. I think that the box office wasn’t too good on it but it kind of got what it deserved.

Yes I got rid of David since I am tired of the evil AI story. Daniels and Tennessee were weak characters so I got rid of them also. You say that it doesn’t tell a good story, fair enough, I am not a very experienced writer, those were just some ideas.

Possibly if it is not done well enough. If a movie on the other hand has quality you can say that once that you have solved a mystery of let’s say the Xeno and how it was done you can also look back and look at the details that it was made of and then if you want to and are interested enough you can wonder how those details were made. To me it sort of depends on the interest of the viewer and how well those that made the creature, TV-show, or what ever did it both with ideas and the final thing that it became.

Put this into the context of the Alien franchise: Let’s say that the Xeno was made of the Engineers, then when that is done you can go back and look at the culture of the Engineers, for example. If that is done well you can see how the engineers came to be both as a culture and as life-forms while having some mystery in it.

It depends on how many layers there is to it and what you decide to answer of those, and how you do that.

Wow! That is a good piece of work that you have done.

It is interesting to see what kind of fan things that people do.

Fun fact, in one of the episodes of the Perfect Organism podcast one of the members said something like “you will never see kids build Xenos or something”. I think that the episode dealt with a comment that Ridley said about that he thinks that the Alien franchise should be at the same level as Star Wars.

Good point Leto, Disney are good at maintaining the iconic aesthetic of the Star Wars property, so I have faith that their creative teams could provide the same nostalgic feel for Alien.

Well, SW for Example. Plot is plot - it's a matter of taste (I like new SW movies). Blood and gore is a blood and gore - SW don't have it, but new movies have more darkness (you know - stormtroopers with flamethrowers, it's not painless blaster).

I want talk about design. Disney perfectly recreates the style of SW OT. Perfectly. And I think - new Alien movies will have a retro-futuristic style for humans ships and a biomechanical style for Alien environments and MAY BE for aliens themselves.

Amazing display! 

So it seems the franchise might be destined for a streaming series after all as we have discussed. Smart move imo.

Just made a new topic post about this, but it is also worth sharing in this thread as well. I'm helping out on a new Alien fan site, A L I E N: Archives, and those excellent photos that you are sharing here were actually taken by the curator of the site! To see more content from this exhibit and more, check out A L I E N: Archives at https://alien-archives.com/

Thank you!

I found by going through some western remake list.As soon as I read about it it went to the top of my must see sci fi list.Well worth the search.

Looks fantastic!

Welcome to the forum _zenn

As has been pointed out, the flute connects with many ancient civilisations & religions. Plus music is a universal language.

Nikola Tesla: “If you want to find the secrets of the Universe, think in terms of energy, frequency & vibration.” 

Experiments have shown that acoustical notes cause waves of vibration & movement. Many of you will be familiar with Chladni Figures.

In the late 1700’s German-born, Hungarian physicist & musician Ernst Chladni, did pioneering work in acoustics. He was able to create visualisations of audio frequencies, demonstrating two-dimensional standing waves using a sheet of glass covered in grains of sand. Drawing a bow over the glass plate until it achieved resonance, caused the sand to form intricate, sometimes complex, geometric patterns.

I doubt the choice of the flute is as random as many people believe. Ridley has an incredible store of knowledge about many, many things. The Prometheus soundtrack uses the flute melody in repeating forms throughout the film, using different instruments plus choral. I love the whole idea of the Engineers using the shape of sound & the beautiful geometry of music as an operational interface.

As a side-note, I believe it all connects rather wonderfully with much of H.R Giger’s artwork!

That's a good movie. I totally missed it growing up, but my wife found it by chance on Netflix a few years ago.

Well, BigDave, you made a good point, as always. Seeing Prometheus, David seems to watch shaw's memories, but he speaks in dreams. In fact, dreams are made of memories, they make part of a process that reorganize our Minds. If they build Machines capable of reading our dreams/memories, Record memories is not a problem. The ship was destroyed, therefore This possibility is incoherent in alien franchise future.

My possibility to firm an Aliance with the engineers was based on religion. you Control my Messiah, you Control me, i Control your Messiah, i Control you (based on the mural, it seems that the engineers worship the Deacon- that was the reason for the company to clone doctor Shaw).

This is unreal, thanks for sharing!

Forget about LV-223 and Planet-4. It's dead planets. Only LV-426 used twice, because at the beginning it was just a rock environment, and then - the humans colony. The world is evolve! Plus in 1986 alien universe was very small and we have only LV-426 with Derelict with eggs. But now - many planets and potentially new worlds.

Second visit on LV-223/Planet-4 sounds boring. This worlds don't evolve! What WY expeditions will show us new? I know only one thing - adult Deacon on LV-223. Nothing more! Or WY can build a research(read as colony) centers on this planets, but... well... you know - sounds a bit secondary.

It's a great base for books, comics and games. Like a great masterpiece - Fire and Stone saga. In this comic LV-223 is really evolving.

In Awakening we have three paths for this planets:

1) WY expeditions visiting LV-223/Planet-4 in sort time intro/memories (or separate video as The Crossing).

2) WY expedition visit this worlds in words.

3) Just leave this worlds for books, comics and games.

I prefer that would Alien Awakening focused entirely on Origae-6 and (optional) Derelict.

Thanks guys! =)

@dk> Yeah, it could be possible; I'll have to take the additional shots when the next build is ready to be photographed though. ;)

I think going back to ON-TOPIC as far as where to they continue the Prequels as in Set-After Alien Covenant we really have the following Set-Ups.

1) Continue with where David is taking the Covenant and what he would intend to do Next!

This depends on how we tackle what Davids Motive is from NOW, and while Ridley Scott wanted to cover "What Kind" of World would he Build/Create we have to bare in mind that those who have Watched Alien Covenant and not what Ridley Scott has said or mentioned, would not be drawn to this from just seeing the Movie.   Which many may conclude that we have this Robot, who has No Care for Humanity or Engineers, and merely sees them as subjects to Create his Xenomorphs.   If he only has those TWO Face Huggers, then unless ONE produced a Queen or we go for the Egg Morph route really limits HOW can David obtain Many More Xenomorphs without either.

*Obtaining more Black Goo from Planet 4 or LV-223

*Collecting more Eggs/Face Huggers from Planet 4

Without NO Aliens Queen or Egg Morph, If Davids Agenda is to Mass Create Xenomorphs then he has to go to Planet 4 First or LV-223

Once he has accomplished getting more Face Huggers/Eggs or Black Goo (or both) it then leads us to David either Experimenting/Mass Producing on either.

*The Covenant Ship during the Journey to Origae-6

*Use the LV-223 Outpost to conduct his work.

Bare in Mind the Company was informed that David (Walter) will be taking the Ship to Origae-6 after suffering a Incident on the way (Alien Covenant).  Which could mean in Future other Human Colony Ships could go to Origae-6

From watching Alien Covenant you dont really get the indication of what Ridley Scott suggests about the NEXT Movie will NOT be about the Xenomorph, but will be about AI and WHAT KIND of a World David would Create (thats likely not a Xenomorph Factory)

2) Explore what the Company Would Do IN LIGHT of the Advent Viral Message from David.

Which gives the Option to NOT cover or go where David is off too, or show us the Company Turning Up LATE to the PARTY (What David does next on Origae-6)

The Advent Shows us that David sends a Encrypted Message to someone at the Company... where he informs them of WHO he is and WHAT he has been up to.  Prior to this David as Walter merely informed the Company that after a Incident they are on their way to Origae-6, missing some Crew!

With this extra KNOWLEDGE.. you would think the Company would maybe send a Mission out to LV-223 or Planet 4 or even BOTH locations to discover what David has been up to.. But they could also decide to GO TO where David is heading Origae-6

The Possibility of the Company Sending a Mission to LV-223 or Planet 4 after the Message would suggest they would be Prepared more and could give us a Direction that Does-Not have to Focus on David or that much!  We could discover more about the Black Goo, Engineers and Experiments and Motives and Xenomorphs via this route!

HOWEVER.............

Whichever Likely Route to take.. be its Option 1 or Option 2 instead of similar to what Ridley Scott had hinted at... HAS TO lead to Conclude with either.

*The Xenomorph Pre-Existed the Prometheus Mission.

*The Xenomorph Did-Not Exist prior to the Prometheus Mission/Planet 4 Experiments by David

Because by VIRTUE of being in continuation of the Prequels the AIM would still have to indicate HOW/WHEN/WHY those Eggs got onto the Derelict and while not having to give us the Event... it would have to give us a NOT-SO Ambiguous Clue, to determine the EGGS came from David or after Alien Covenant, or they was around prior to Prometheus.

Indeed its hard to see HOW to continue, with the Path that RS is on, and Please Fans... or make any MONEY.   They are likely to want to see Xenomorphs, and HOW/WHEN/WHY those Eggs got on the Derelict..... and likely have it to NOT be David.

I think if we are to continue after Alien Covenant and March towards ALIEN then exploring Option 1 or Option 2 are really the only Options instead of "what kind of world" would a David Create and Rule over?

And as BioDegradable said it would be interested to see WHAT/WHERE would Alien Fans who maybe are not pleased with the route of Alien Covenant/David Arc Plot has taken us.

I think it would be a Question of WHY would the Engineers work with Mankind or the Company?

I think possibly the Engineers could make some kind of Covenant with David... but i feel its ONE that one party would likely Break After getting the usefulness from the other and then NO-LONGER needed them.

Certainly more so if David could convince them it was Dr Shaw who Destroyed their World.

To Clone Dr Shaw would be interesting, maybe David could do this, and Matt Hatton who did concept work and some of the ART work that went into Davids Notes... had suggested Davids drawings of Dr Shaw in various Mutations and Experiments could have been him either Resurrecting Dr Shaw over and over... CLONE Dr Shaw over and over.. or just the MAD Dreams and Ideas of a Psychopathic Android.

Getting Dr Shaws Memories and Personality is the Tricky Part... it depends on HOW we look at where the SOUL as such is stored.... can information be transferred from a Dead Persons Brain?  Can Memories be carried over from DNA? etc (we kind of did this in Alien Resurrection so its not totally impossible in context of the Franchise)

A more interesting METHOD would be to wonder HOW MANY Dreams did David watch of Dr Shaw during the Prometheus's 2 year journey and what else could he have had access to via that Dream Visor and if all this INFORMATION is stored someone in Davids AI Brain... then maybe he could find a WAY to Transfer this into a Dr Shaw Clone.