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Big Dave

Maybe I am wrong but the face of the Space Jockey in that picture looks a bit like the face of the Orchs.

Lawrence of Arabia:

It would be nice if Scott did something right with the prequels. There have been so much bad things in them so why not have something good for a change? Alright I exaggerate, there have been some good things in the prequels but the important parts have been letdowns. Some course correcting (I guess that I learned a new word so thanks) is needed because if the direction for the next movie is like Alien Covenant then it will be crap.  They need to have some damage control. You call a change in that nonsense, I would see it as a likely improvement. Unfortunately they made the SJ less alien by claiming that they and the Engineers are the same but unfortunately the way the Engineers were treated bad in AC. Furthermore the planet that the Engineers were at in AC and their buildings were not very impressive.  

They and the SJ if they are supposed to be the same were made a disservice in AC and because of that they need to make the SJ and the Engineers different but maybe related species. Maybe the SJ race created the Engineers maybe as servants to the SJ specie? I do not care if Scott is against it because he has caused much crap but the problem is also Fox. Hopefully Disney will improve this so we will not be given a third disappointment and that they will not approve of a movie that do not put the human characters first no matter what Scott says.

That is a good question, something that has been discussed here a lot. My guess is that the longer time goes the less likely it is that we will get one but on the other hand AC was so disappointing so it will not surprise me if this is it. What contradicts this is that it feels like they are in the middle of the story and just have to finish this, there are probably different opinions about this as well if they should or not.

More about the Engineers would be nice like DK says, more about David no. Hopefully we will see those that are above the Engineers in the hierarchy like BD says but that is if they get that right. I do not want to see another movie about a mad android at the cost of everything else but if some like that then fine for them. Alien Covenant was so disappointing so if a new movie would have meant more David then I would not have cared. Until we will get some official information from Fox or Disney it is impossible to tell anything it seems to me.

Blaming is easy but they got to find a reason or reasons why it went bad simply because they got to see what they must avoid for the next movie to be better. The obvious question is Can it be saved at all now? I am not sure about the answer and it probably depends on a lot of different parts.

"Which kind of Alien Movie would be Worth doing."

Isn't that like asking what an Alien movie is? Is it about the Xeno? About the human characters in trouble with the Xeno as a symbol of evil (that is my way of looking at it to be honest)? Is it about the monster plus Giger aesthetics? How big of a role does the SJ plays? What about the Engineers? What I mean is that different people might have different ideas about what it is so it depends on who's version that they will do.

"Sadly i feel the Franchise is in Limbo..."

I think so too but they have got themselves to blame in a way because of an over-reliance on androids and human characters that are badly written. To me it seems that not too many people want to see that and I think that it shows by the under-performance of AC.

Michelle J

I would not have minded a smaller cast as long as the characters are well fleshed out and as long as we get to know them. The problem is that only Walter, David, and Oram were well written. We were probably meant to feel for Daniels but I got no understanding of her personality. How was she as a person? Was she brave?  Rational? Dependent? I got no understanding of that from watching the movie. People have different personality traits but you get the idea. This does not only apply to her but to most of the characters as well.

"… leave a coherent idea of what it represented."

Excuse my eventual ignorance but isn't that another way of saying: what kind of story are we trying to tell? I think that they need a plan of what they are trying to achieve otherwise it has the risk of going into multiple directions and in the end what we are left with is a mess. Please let me know if this is something that I misunderstand.

Most of the characters felt empty (no well defined personality) and that is when you realize that they have failed with the movie. Alien 1 to 3 got this right in that at least there were enough well written characters to care for but it started to go downwards with Resurrection and here we are with no one to give a damn about. David and Walter do not count since they are robots and David is a sadist. Hopefully David gets the Engineer 2 treatment (getting his head torn off again) so we can focus on the humans and have the androids in the background because we were shown a robot movie with AC and that did not work. Getting another android movie would be really messed up.

Big Dave

I do not mind answering some things about the Xenomorph but the idea that humans create synthetics that create monsters that are there to destroy us is not appealing to me, it brings the monsters to close to humans. Having some extra things does not have to be bad, it is how you connect those things to the main focus that counts. The thing is the Xeno is important but you need more things than that to succeed. Prometheus was alright but some more clues to the Xeno was needed I think although I understood it from repeated viewings although I am not sure how many that are so stubborn so they sit through multiple viewings to figure it out but I am sort of geeky when it comes to the alien franchise (a proud geek when it comes to it, LOL!). Looking back at Prometheus the main problem was the characters.

"Its just a shame that the route they had taken puts too much Emphasis on David and the Engineers, the Humans and even Xenomorphs are just mere Plot Devices..."

To me it should be the other way around so the robots should be plot devices for the bigger story of the humans, the Xenos, and the SJ's. Right now the whole focus is totally wrong and frankly said boring. If I would like to watch a robot movie I would rather see R2D2 and C3PO interact in Star Wars, or watch the Terminator, not an alien connected movie.

As far as following Shaw they would have had to rewrite her to be less naive which would have been a welcome thing as far as character development is concerned. I do not say that we need another Ripley (we have already have one so stop it) but some rationality from her side would have been a huge plus.

The mural might have had some clues but that scene was rushed, which is a pity. I honestly do not remember how the mural looked since it was a while ago since I watched it. My point is if you have a piece like that which is important to get the story you need to spend more time on it, not like one minute or what ever amount of time that was. Some seconds after they claim that it starts to change it melts so there goes the opportunity to get some more understanding abbout it.

"But FOX would not show the Public that this movie would have LITTLE or NOTHING to do with ALIEN, because this potentially could reduce the number of people who would see it and so people  where HOOKED into this being a ALIEN movie."
How about a little honesty for once (from Fox in this case)? They could have said that it had a little to do with the alien but not as much so people could get a better understanding of it before they decided to go and see it or if they would not or were Fox that scared to loose money if people would not show up?  It was kind of dishonest if you ask me, like the trailers or AC were. However the biggest problem with Prometheus and AC were the characters.

"The Emphasis could be more on David/Company Agenda and AI Curve-ball"

No thanks, I have had enough of the focus on David, that stuff is over and done.

"So if the NEXT TWO movies make it more about DAVID alone than Alien Covenant did, then i am not sure this would LURE in the Potential Viewing Public..  So they have to come up with a better Plot to introduce Human Characters and Jeopardy with some Surviving otherwise the Next Movie may not work."

That would make me mad, AC was shitty enough. I hope that people would boycott a movie like that just to show Fox and Scott that "we are not interested in it and that you screw up the franchise".

Honestly if that would be the case I would tell everyone that I know that are somewhat interested in the Alien franchise to boycott a movie like that. Just because something has the Alien logo on it does not mean that it is good and also as an audience I think that we should get more than a movie like AC.

I want to see a movie about well written human characters and how they respond to a great threat, not one about a mad robot. We already have a movie about a crazy AI and that is boring.

Prometheus was OK even though there is a lot of annoying things in it. David and Janek are those that save the movie character-wise.

"Why Disney may rather give us a Blomkamp Alien 5 kind of Plot/Flick rather than what Plans Ridley Scott may have.…"

I do not want any of it, not a robot movie nor a Alien 5 movie. I would like to have a Alien prequel with better human characters, more about the Engineers and some connection to the SJ. Some connection between the SJ and the monster would be nice. This is in a nutshell what I would like to see but I also want to say that if they would have made it about the human characters in AC and not about a mad robot then we maybe would not have had this development (a eventual Alien 5 instead of another prequel). Had Scott and Fox made a better job then we would not have had this mess.

Hehe...glad you enjoyed T_D

As far as taking (damn what is her name?) yeah Daniels out I do not feel that it is very important since I felt nothing for her character. Maybe if they give her some well-defined personality then that would be fine but in no way should she be like she was in AC where she was like a blank slate. People develop through out life so her personality could develop as well so she is better written in a sequel than she was in AC (which would not be too difficult since she had almost no personality in AC along with most characters). Look at Aliens and Alien 3 if you want to know how you make interesting characters or you can forget it and throw the sequel away. They killed Shaw so to kill Daniels would be a mistake I think even though her character was not well written like most in AC.

Maybe David will try to kill her and so he fails to do that and Daniels take a gruesome revenge on him so we finally get the death of the psycho robot.

"No, not the fingering!" Ahaha! Thanks Lone, that was fun as hell.

At least you can make fun of the movie, that is good.

"… a crew who apparently forgot to pay the electricity bill."

LMAO! That is so well said, a lot of times it was difficult to see the characters because those that made the movie seemed to think that the less you see of everything the better it is. I like to use my imagination when I watch movies like this but that was just ridiculous.

The whole fucking movie is a mess, it should be a prime example of how it should not be done.

"Totally indifferent characters...every single one of them. Couldn't care less what happened to them."

I totally agree, when you have a movie without any interesting character you know that you have a complete turd. At least AC had Oram, Walter, and David was err… OK even though he was an android but most of the human characters were blank slates. Since I gave it a try I can honestly say that I watched it and it is now totally legitimate of me to call it what it is, a complete piece of crap. They should really never have created that movie (AVPR).

@BigDave However, the Disney deal is not through oficially...

Back to the OT..

"But I also feel as though I could have a great deal to do in that film, or just be rolled out in a body bag"

This sounds like she feels there was scope for where they could go with her Character, and we know prior to Alien Covenant and so after Prometheus and even a year latter we know that Noomi Rappace also was excited to where the Next movie could be heading and at reprising her Role as Dr Elisabeth Shaw..  but that NEVER happened and so i think Miss Waterson is kind of accepting they could just as easy take her Character out.... in regards mainly due to not knowing where the Next Movie would go at the current time of that Interview.

" had heard some rumors about where it might go a long time ago that were really interesting to me and my character."

This could be the Plans they had during the Edit Process of the movie and maybe also after the release and Marketing...  She did Cut Ridley Scott off when he was talking about the Sequels.... in a way that suggested he could be giving too much away.

At this point maybe she did have SOME idea for the Plans for her Character at the time, looking at the Set-Up during Alien Covenant it likely sets up the potential for David to pursue her as a Interest for what ever Plans he has in mind.  In Alien Covenant he said he would do to her what he had done to Dr Shaw... and we see that he attempted to Force her to Kiss him.... and with the Walter Dynamic of Duty not Love it could be that David will turn his creepy interests towards Daniels.... but its also likely he may wish to do THINGS to her that he did with Dr Shaw and THINGS that he wanted to do.

We can see that David had offered to EVOLVE Dr Shaw but she rejected him and so she was USED to allow him to Create his Xenomorphs..  so with the ADVENT claiming David just needs to Perfect his Queen...

It could be that this is the kind of Plot/Ideas that Katherine was on about,  a Plot where David would want to use Daniels for the Benefit of Perfecting and Creating more of his Xenomorphs..  Which i always felt if this was the case it would not be a SIMPLE.... Face Hugger + Daniels = Queen Xenomorph, i am sure Ridley Scott would want to try something different than Camerons Xenomorph Queen and be a bit more inventive.

This may have been something interesting to see.... Does he Successfully create his Queen from Daniels?  Does she Survive? Is she kept alive some how and yet will witness what Horrors David has in store.  I think it could have been a Interesting Side Plot...

I know some Fans were Disappointed about Dr Shaw... not only not being able to see her... but more so because we NEVER got a Spoon-Fed explanation or scenes showing the Horrific Things David was doing to her...   Maybe this is something they could have done with Daniels?

But with Disney now having Ownership.... i think there would be BOUNDARIES that Disney would NOT cross.

Who's Brain do they resurrect instead then ;)

I do feel what we could have got was the Engineers just arrive at Origae-6 in the 3rd Act with NO explanation whats so ever... this would seem to fit with the kind of writing behind Alien Covenant and then they could always release some Viral Video to try and make a Half Baked Explanation ;)

@BigDave ... no Resurrected Oram please. Let him rest please already...

Hehe, good idea Dave! ;)

LOL some good ones there ;)

Oh Lone... Maybe Harrison Ford could be the Space Jockey?

As he Certainly has Previous for Crashing Flying Objects!

"as they don't know binary logic."

This was a rather odd thing to add to the Engineers which indeed would make understanding our Technology even more unlikely...   i was thinking not that they could understand the signal...  But be able to receive it, much like how the Transmission the Covenant intercepted.

But i am just trying to think of ways for HOW these Engineers could determine where Origae-6 is rather than it being Coincidence or Lazy Plot Writing or Oversights. (We have had enough of that in the Prequels).   I think the Signal would be flawed route too, because as you said, there Systems would have to be able to be able to recieve and decode the signal just as a Human Ship would do.. which could be some stretch if it was a Video Signal..

Detecting Audio would be maybe not to flawed... but detecting a audio would just present the Engineers with a Language (English) they may not understand and so to them this Signal would be similar to how the Space Jockey Signal was to the Nostromo...     While MUTHUR took time to then realize the signal could be a Warning.... I cant see any audio transmission being of any use to the Engineers, even if David said something like

"i am now heading to the destination Origae-6 RA 117h03m36.45 -43°33'38.1” dec 4.83"

If this is recieved and decoded to a transmision they can listen too, then with it not being their Native Language... unless they understand English they would not be able to determine any directions from this as how do they tell what the destination is compared to RA 117h03m36.45 if they whole lot sounds like sounds/words the Engineers have NO clue what they are.

"The simpler way, which would imply some body horror is to use the human brains that remained there, or "resurrect" someone. If they are masters of bio-tech maybe we should look there."

Simpler? who knows.... interesting way... for certain... this would work if they have a device or technology that allows them to read a brain.. or some kind of Telepathy. 

Maybe even the Memories/Soul of a Host can be carried over to a Xenomorph/Neomorph and the Engineers can gain information from one of those... either way... i think its a interesting idea to explore.

And i think Orams Body would be the ideal one for the Engineers to Interrogate if they went for something as you suggested.

"@BigDave And to repeat myself someone bent on revenge is more likely to cooperate with the Engineers."

The Question would be WHO? as you said before would WALTER give up any information and put Daniels in Jeopardy? or would he know SHE is in trouble regardless?

Then its how do they communicate with him.... so RUNNING with your idea... then a Resurrected Oram would surely want REVENGE

Not Covenant, but hey...

@Ingeniero I'm surprised you made a video based on my image. *Thumbs up*

John Wick's pencil was contaminated with black goo

here a demo I left 0.5 versions not so long ago. The translation not really and many bugs, but it is possible to pass in the different ways.

Also in group it is possible to watch new videos tests: A game for Xenomorph from the first person, control of the Jordans tractor, etc.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/AlienHopeForTheFuture/

You can support the project here: https://streamlabs.com/iiapagokc 

 @BigDave And to repeat myself someone bent on revenge is more likely to cooperate with the Engineers.

@BigDave "the Engineers would not understand what David is saying, but if there Systems can show the Message... they could determine the Experiments, and Star System Co-Ordinates to where David is going." For me this is far-fatched." How would the engineers decode human signal (this bothers me in the original Alien too), especially if it was sent as digital (as everything is nowadays), as they don't know binary logic. The simpler way, which would imply some body horror is to use the human brains that remained there, or "resurrect" someone. If they are masters of bio-tech maybe we should look there.

If they wanted to tell the hominids where did they come from why did they not left the sky map of planet 4 instead of LV223?

The points raised by daliens and ignorantguy in relation to this are interesting, and the whole LV-223 is still a bit of a Mystery... what we do know given Prometheus and Ridley Scott comments are...

*LV-223 is NOT the Engineers Home-world.... the Engineers come from a Place we would call Paradise.

*Paradise is where Dr Shaw wanted David to take her... but David could have taken her anywhere but its implied that Planet 4 is where the LV-223 Engineer must have claimed he is FROM

*The Sacrificial Scene Does-Not have to be Earth... it was just to show us at the time HOW the Engineers Seed worlds and so implied they have done this before to other Worlds.

*The Hall of Heads on Planet 4 and indeed likely the Stone Carved Engineer Faces in the Mountains, are of the Engineers Hierarchy beings who are their Ancestry, the Apostles of their ways, Wise Men and Superior (but to who?)

*The Planet 4 Engineers are the Original Engineers so Ridley Scott claims. Are the Differences a Oversight?  Or the Prometheus Engineers a Engineered version of the Planet 4 beings?

*Engineers are not a RACE they are a Civilization and RS also said while there are many versions of Humanity, why cant the same be for the Engineers.

So to try and connect all this is a Rabbit Hole... because it really is something that has a number of possible ways it can all connect, and some debate that can take quite some time.

All we can Determine is the CLUES seem to indicate the Engineers on Planet 4 and LV-223 are connected, and so too is Mankind. Ridley Scott implies the Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals.... is the Aesthetic Difference between them and the Sacrificial Engineer a Oversight? and so they are very close to being the same RACE?  Or those Planet 4 Engineers Predate the Prometheus Sacrificial Engineer and thus the seeding of Worlds well as far as the Sacrificial Scene happens after Engineers are already settled on Planet 4?

Looking at the Engineers Navigation System... why would they have other Galaxies if they can not Travel to them.... so there was SCOPE with Prometheus that these Engineers Seeded Many Worlds...  It still is possible that the Galaxy has many Races Seeded by Engineers and also maybe many worlds inhabited by Engineers...

Planet 4 could just have been the CRADLE of Civilization, the Place the First Humanoid Engineers came from... before they set out seeding Worlds and other Humanoid Races in the Cosmos.

"Isn't it funny how close to Earth Planet 4 was and yet it passed undetected? 

This doesn't seem right. Planet 4 cannot be the home world of the engineers"

Indeed but i think this was just a Plot Convenience much like the Quicker Gestation for the Xenomorph...  You see IF the plan is to Literally take us to ALIEN so that Davids Creations in Alien Covenant eventually end up on a Engineer Ship that Lands on LV-426, within the Time Constraints of 28 years after the events of Prometheus.

Then it would be a necessity to have Planet 4 closer if Humans are to be brought into Play in the Plot... IF Planet 4 was MUCH MUCH Further away then it would be HOW do we introduce Humans to the Plot/Movie and would a Movie WORK if there was NO Humans?

Having Planet 4 Hundreds and Hundreds or Thousands of Light Years... would mean a Longer Journey for a Human Ship to arrive... which if we say the Covenant took say 8 years to arrive at Planet 4 and it set off lets say 5 years after Prometheus.  This would take us to the year 2107 if David then leaves with the Covenant to head back to Origae-6 it would bring us SO CLOSE to ALIEN leaving little time to Shoe-horn in the Events that would lead to ALIEN.

They could have had the Plot set on a Far Away Planet 4 where David then takes over the Ship and Sets down on another UNAFFECTED area of Planet 4 and begin the Colony then.... explaining to the Colonist this WORLD was more suitable... but then how does he explain what happened to the Crew who Perished in Alien Covenant? 

Does he Fool them that this is Origae-6?  But Regardless a Setting up a Colony on Planet 4 in a Area where there is NO affected area of the Black Goo could have worked.....  The Time when the Engineers Arrive to discover the destruction of their City/Civilization and then detect Humans have set up SHOP  on a unaffected part of their World... could have been interesting and would NO doubt really upset the Engineers, WHO then may want to go and Destroy Earth....   This could have worked though if they witnessed Davids Creations and then decided to use these on Earth... Which leads to the SPACE JOCKEY... but they would have to explain WHY the Engineers go to LV-426 as it cant be on the way to Earth and yet so close to LV-223.

Regardless if the Next Plot was to take place on Origae-6 or if the Colony is set up on Planet 4.... there would have to be a REASON for how a Engineer Ship with Davids Creation are heading to the LV-223/426 system.