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"This whole explaining the Xenomorph pathos is stupid and disrespectful towards Dan O'Bannon first vision"
I would totally love to see them get back to O'Bannons and Gigers ideas, but its a case of if we will see that...
I agree its a bit odd to have Synthetics Reproduce... but seeing as though RS is running with Sexual Feelings with David, and how the Xenomorph is lacking that Bio-Mechanical Atheistic, i was pondering the introduction of a Female Synthetic Construct, part Organic part Synthetic who turns up and David tries to Seduce to his Side, like he did with Walter but failed. David would use the same tactics that Satan did with Eve to get her to Eat from the Forbidden Fruit... so David can get her to take his Side, DAVID Finally finds a Female Companion who sees his side.... only she ends up being the QUEEN to his Project, which is something David did not want... He was willing to use Dr Shaw, and Daniels as he cares not much for Humanity, he cared for Shaw because he felt SHE was DIFFERENT towards him.
So yeah my idea would be that David Falls for a Female Synthetic Construct but she gets infected as she is Part Organic/Synthetic then this SHOEHORNS in the Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic.
"With your reasoning, one might consider "The Crossing" to be non Canon simply because we don't see certain scenes from that little clip within the final movie of Alien Covenant."
I can see where you are coming from and i can agree with The Crossing etc.. my point is not really my view or opinion, well not how i like to interpret stuff, just how i feel the Production company have gone.
INDEED we had those clues, but they removed the Viral Website but someone did a Backup, the Original URL just redirected to the Alien Universe Website and Walter Virals, it was like they was removing the Prometheus Marketing from Canon. So my point was that Ultimately as they go along they can remove what ever they want from Canon... and replace it with what ever they want.
THERE IS NO 100% Proof... in regards to Theatrical.
*David could not/did not create the Xenomorph
*The Derelict/Space Jockey has been on LV-426 for a long long time.
*The company are aware of LV-426 prior to ALIEN
Many more but i am not in the right frame of mind at the moment... via DRINKING lol
I 100% agree they should have considered continuity and lore, i just FEEL they are Re-writing the History and if doing so then some extra clues like the Viral Sites for Prometheus would contradict the route they are taking with Alien Covenant.
So nothing is REALLY Official apart from what is shown in the Movies, by that i dont mean any disrespect i am just saying how they could go, we could get NO Alien movies for 10 years and then they reveal the PREDATOR created the Xenomorph, which would then be a case of NOT having previous clues that Fail to show this, but in how Previous Clues Fail to Disprove this.
I think the Direction they have taken is a bit flawed, as the Clues pointed to a Ancient Event and Ridley Scott even confirmed it, but ALAS when they worked on Alien Covenant they changed their minds.
Huante had worked on a few concepts at the time prior to when Alien 5 was announced so who knows.
The only explanation for these looking at his comments are either the PROMETHEUS 2 Sequel (Paglen/Green) prior to the U-Turn that gave us ALIEN COVENANT (Harper/Logan) or indeed Blomkamps ALIEN 5
We have to wonder why he wishes to take them down... i hope its not due to DISNEY considering Blomkamps Alien 5, unless they removed the Ripley, Newt and Hicks Survival Plot. otherwise i will PASS
How was these confirmed as being part of Alien 5?
A lot seem to be similar to his Prometheus unused ideas, and maybe even the sequel...
I guess one connecting thing could be how some of these seem to show Xenomorph's being connected to some kind of Technology as in a way for the company to try and CONTROL the Xenomorph.
This has sometimes been linked as a Blomkamps Alien 5 Concept which i questioned often.
However i can see the connections with Huante's work and this image so maybe this adds some Validity to it
Thanks for the info!
You're welcome, BigDave.
Perhaps this is the most interesting part of the interview:
'Having said this I’m not sure I can blame Ridley like other people do. I understand what it’s like working for a big studio and the complexities involved with that. He did his job pretty damn well as far as I was concerned. The problem was the script.'
'AVP Galaxy was asked by Carlos himself to remove the images.'
Lol, Dark Nebula, so Disney would like to use these.
Red Harvest (1929) is a novel by Dashiell Hammett. The story is narrated by The Continental Op, a frequent character in Hammett's fiction, much of which is drawn from his own experiences as an operative of the Pinkerton Detective Agency (fictionalized as the Continental Detective Agency).
Time magazine included Red Harvest in its 100 Best English-Language Novels from 1923 to 2005.[4] The Nobel Prize-winning author André Gide called the book "a remarkable achievement, the last word in atrocity, cynicism, and horror."
Interesting...
This was for Alien 5!
Turns out as expected this artwork WAS for Alien 5. Which begs so many more questions...
The third line is his name I think, the second line says DRONE, the first line is the movie title: RED HARVEST.
AVP Galaxy was asked by Carlos himself to remove the images. Even the FB page I linked is now gone. Looks like I'll have to remove them soon too.
Something suspicious is going on.
I think these were not made for Alien5. And I wouldn't say they are Awakening concept art.
After Prometheus we were told that two groups of movies would be made - a Prometheus line and an Alien line. Perhaps these works were made at that time.
Disney should return to that idea and produce those movies. Perhaps it is not a coincidence that Huante reveals these artworks now...
Yes, the long vein is black, maybe because its connected with the pressure suit (my assumption).
But if I'm not mistaken, some of these other veins look dark red or blue (I don't have the best eyesight).
The scene with the last Engineer was shot in dark room.
I think it has something to do with colour grading that was done in post.
The same thing with the eyes. In the film, they look very black, but they actually have lighter sclera, not 100% black.
Colour graded (screenshot from the film)
Unedited version
Or they just have black veins.
Yes, and the Sacrificial Engineer had that same dark 'marbled' vein structure, even before he drank the Black Pathogen. Plus the Elder Engineers had it too!
Thank you Dark Nebula! The post production shows a much darker vein structure too. We could be onto something?
Jaw-dropping and awe-inspiring Planet 4's inhabitants were not! Guess they were the poor relations.
Having the release date moved up and your budget cut could go some way to explaining this. Even Ridley couldn't work a miracle given those constraints!
I've all but given up on ever seeing what I want....
Trippy Giger-tec, Super-engineers, Space Jockeys, proper Giger-morbs, Deacons and if we must, dumb hoomanzs, all battling it out in a Lovecraftian cosmic horror. Anyone?? ;)
ps...and a ships cat!!
I'm wrong!
Having checked out the text on some of the images, it appears these were done for Red Harvest. Apparently, that was the working title for Blomkamp's Alien movie?
Huge discrepancy between a "10 page proposal"-Ridley, and this, plus James Cameron's "gangbusters" script comment!
Well, Ridley Scott, Jack Paglen and Michael Green really dropped the ball if actually all of them claim that the xeno in Covenant is the first xeno ever.
I don't think any of those writers actually ever stated this as fact for the franchise.
Ridley Scott certainly has stated that he was intrigued by the idea, and the movie was deliberately made ambiguous in regard of the more lovecraftian themes that they were going for, but still many things are left largely open and unresolved.
What grinds the gears of lots of fans is the way Alien Covenant felt inconsistent with the already established lore.
Prometheus had its goofy moments within the scope of the film, but they made really sure that is was actually part of the world in which at least the first Alien movie also took place while also exploring new ground within the setting.
Alien Covenant actually didn't follow up on any of the setup done in Prometheus other than using the character of David, which in many ways was also a very different character this time around.
All the OFFICIAL material that came with Prometheus was made in such a way that it was part of the canon, while doing its own thing.
Like stated before, The Peter Weyland files clearly state that the strange signal from LV-426 was already there even though it was very faint and hard to decipher. This comes from official information, which was released with Prometheus. (And in the Alien movie we learn that this is the derelict which crash landed on Acheron)
This fact alone makes the theory that the xeno in Covenant is the first ever of its kind impossible within the greater and already established canon.
Anything would have been better than what no imagination RS came up with.
Pretty sure the Engineers on Prometheus were slightly altered. I re-watched Prometheus last weekend and noticed something....When the Engineer is stroking David's head his hand appears to have black veins, as though he was slightly effected by the black goo. I will try to find a picture since I am at work :)
Well, I just wish (or perhaps that should be pray?) that we will get to see some Engineers and their Hierarchy in the future! As for Carlos' concepts, thumbs up from me ;)
Lol Dave, remember this design?
Well said Lone!
Nice post Chris, thanks!
Carlos always gets my vote. These are absolutely beautiful concepts. He is able to evolve Gigers work in the most clever way, whilst retaining the original aesthetic. What I love most of all, is how he absolutely nails the translucent quality of H.R's work. Whilst some have bastardised the Alien, Carlos has always treated our favourite beastie and it's evolution, with respect and delicacy. It should always be sleek, beautiful and....well Alien!
I don't get the impression that these were connected in any way to Blomkamp and ALIEN 5. Perhaps these designs were done for what eventually became Prometheus? Still, who knows?
Now, if I was in charge at Disney and in the hope that they will still want to pursue Ridley's trilogy/whatever, then I would do what Fox never would or could. Approach H.R Giger's estate, work towards a respectful deal. Then insist that Carlos Huante and Alex Kozhanov/Gutalin are hired as concept artists.
Remembering you on your birthday H.R. You will always be The Grand Architect of my favourite Universe.
I just feel like it basically added nothing and took up the time which could have been spent on a meaningful addition to the series which further developed the story-line. It was interesting that David created the xeno but without any experimental scenes the twist affect was lost on the viewers. I would have loved a film centered around his successes and failures culminating with a short shot of the finished Xeno at the end.
Critters5 I do understand a bit, Covenant did play like a greatest hits of the original Anthology while not doing much new in the way of the Xeno, origin aside and the Neomorph, but I felt that in way was a tribute to the legacy. I also wish they would have built the Engineers more aside from the bombing sequence (which Ridley fought the studio hard for as they were gonna cut it all together) but everyone wanted a more direct Alien prequel with our favorite beast so that's what we got. I would argue that Covenant did expand on Prometheus both narratively and thematically as it still focus' on creation but instead of it being about finding our creators it's about being disappointed with them and surpassing them. Covenant puts the Xeno on the board for further installments so we can get more Xeno/Engineer action as we get closer to the Nostromo, that's how I see it at least.
I just feel it was a squandered opportunity to expand the story told in Prometheus. Felt like a filler track on a CD. But that's my opinion.
2 photos shared by Steve Dibble Doyle on FB group.
Made a meme out of them.
Engineer actors inside the tent, drinking coffee. Photo shared on FB group by Billy Mansell.
Critters5 Lovecraftian Horror tends not to focus on the characterization humans and 2001 A Space Odyssey didn't have compelling characters either, it's more about the narrative, thematics, and spectacle. I disagree with your assessment but we are free to feel differently, I thought Covenant was awesome and I'm interested in having the mythology further fleshed out. A problem I think people are having is that the film wasn't scary enough to which I somewhat agree so hopefully the next one will sate everyone's appetite.
...and lousy special effects
Lawrence I think people are just more upset with the piss poor character development and rushed narrative. People weren't upset that it wasn't a bug hunt they were upset because the movie sucked.
Several themes found in Lovecraft's writings are considered to be components of a "Lovecraftian" work:
- Anti-anthropocentrism, misanthropy in general. Lovecraft's works tend not to focus on characterization of humans, in line with his view of humanity's insignificant place in the universe, and the general Modernist trend of literature at the time of his writings.
- Preoccupation with viscerate texture. The horror features of Lovecraft's stories tend to involve protean semi-gelatinous substances, such as slime, as opposed to standard horror elements such as blood, bones, or corpses.
- Antiquarian writing style. Even when dealing with up-to-date technology, Lovecraft tended to use anachronisms as well as old-fashioned words when dealing with such things. For example, he used the term "man of science" rather than the modern word, "scientist" and often spelled "show" as "shew" and "lantern" as "lanthorne." Lovecraft was an admitted Anglophile, and frequently used British spelling, as in the title of "The Colour Out of Space", his most reprinted and filmed story.
- Detachment. Lovecraftian heroes (both in original writings and in more modern adaptations) tend to be socially isolated, reclusive individuals, usually with an academic or scholarly intent to compensate for social shortcomings.
- Helplessness and hopelessness. Although Lovecraftian heroes may occasionally deal a "setback" to malignant forces, their victories are temporary, and they usually pay a price for it. Otherwise, subjects often find themselves completely unable to simply run away, instead driven by some other force to their desperate end.
- Unanswered questions. Characters in Lovecraft's stories rarely if ever fully understand what is happening to them, and often go insane if they try.
- Sanity's fragility and vulnerability. Characters in many of Lovecraft's stories are unable to cope mentally with the extraordinary and almost incomprehensible truths they witness, hear or discover. The strain of trying to cope, as Lovecraft often illustrates, is impossible to bear and insanity takes hold.
- Questionable parentage. Relatives of characters are typically depicted as paranormal, dysfunctional or abnormal, whereas intimate relations in general are often represented as foreboding, mysterious, and sinister.
Alien Covenant was a very Lovecraftian origin story for the Xenomorphs (confirmed by both the writer and the director of the film to be the origin) in line with films like 2001 A Space Odyssey. There is still so much we don't know about the Engineers or the Pathogen and when David "learned of their ways" he went insane. David is alive, more so then a toaster, and with sentient life comes the bigger questions and the capacity to want to procreate, so it makes sense that he's become sexually repressed especially when he falls for women like Shaw or Daniels. The whole arc of these prequels reflects the Xenomorph perfectly in that in order to create one must first destroy, especially when one is struggling to stay on top of the food chain. A perfect survivor. It's a shame people aren't taking to these narratives as it's the best the franchise has had to offer since the first ALIEN and is more in line with Dan O'Bannon's original origin of the creatures but everyone is crazy for a simple bug hunt.
Interesting... I have to be honest, these cocnepts aren't really hitting with me. Carlos is an oustanding artist and most of the concepts he did for Prometheus and Covenant, but these feel like too... much. Still, I'm not here to bash Carlos. I do wonder if it possible that Awakening was ever really anything solid. I have always sort of thought that Awakening was Blomkamp's movie and when Sir Ridley slipped up in that interview and mentioned it coming before Covenant (somehow). Maybe Ridley and crew were actually preparing to make a straight up Prometheus sequel while also working on what came to be Covenant.
I'm not 100% sure how movie development works, but it seems a bit too early for concept art to leak before the script being finished has been announced.... perhaps these concepts will be for that upcoming game? Since its suspossed to "show us a part of the universe that hasn't been explored", and these alien-mutations and experiments seem pretty unique, at least much more unique and different compared to other games that featured "specimens" like AvP 2010 and Colonial Marines, since those mostly just revolved around turning aliens into glorified attack dogs instead of actually experimenting on them.
Wow, Calos is a very good artist, but these works - masterpieces!
Please, Disney - give the green light for ALIEN 5!
Omg love them! More wasted potential. Get rid of RS.
