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What itchyz said was a bit chauvinistic but I've seen worse... I have to say I admire stand up guys like Craigmore and Engr101 who don't just let things slide or try to justify what was said to make it more palatable.

I think the whole thing is by far more simple than that and dont require sociological studies . No survivors = bad ending , people dont go to see it Too many survivors = the movie wasnt scary enough ... One survivor = best choice but it did become a cliche ( and is not a matter of gender ) So pulling out a great ending is very rare .. Sunshine = all die but with great rewards Pandorum = good ending but fit very well The Children of man = all bleak but with hopes Moon = good ending with some sad notes Skyline = very sad ending with very thin hopes 28 days later = feel good ending Equilibriim = very feel good ending Cloverfield = sad ending Distring 9 = mixed ending so the last tendencies are for "mixed" endings ...that leave all the audiences with something to be happy

Thanks @Biomechanic and @eahaddix...........And @eahaddix, thank you for elaborating on what I should have said my self. Ultmiately you intimated what I was getting at, but with me it came out more direct and pointed......I really dislike this kind of sillyness.....

Two words: detachable genitals. It could be a symbiotic being that contributes to the fertilization of the SJ or engineer species. Xenos = egg>facehugger>host>chestbuster>Xeno. SJ's could have their own more twisted and sadistic way to procreate. Just a thought. Sing along kids "Detachable Peni/Vaginus" lol

@Mekja-Tek, LOL!

Do you people ever wonder about Adam & Eve, and how they are banished from Eden? What is the forbidden fruit? In a more familiar Biblical story, the serpent, or Satan, merely seduced Eve. In Gnostic writing (maybe something pre-Christian or other), a serpent humanoid made love to Eve to give birth to Cain & his descendants. This is supposed to be the Original Sin. Scary?

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The forbidden fruit represents knowledge. I think the gist of the story was to convince the masses it is in their best interest to stay ignorant and not question the church.

Engnr, I too am wondering if they've given Giger/Huante total carte blanche for the creatures. Sadly, contrary to my initial expectations, I think Giger's contribution lies in the interior environment features rather than some of the denizens, but I could be wildly wrong, as it would be criminal to relegate the 'Father of the Alien' to a mere feature design as input for this film. I think as well as Huante's contribution, Ridley Scott may have had Giger designing a real show-stopper (if indeed there is one) along the lines of the 'Necronomicon' images you kindly posted above. The serpent one is recognisable as the Alien but in elongated form. There was a very brief image of a rearing serpent-like thing with a darting, pointed tongue in the leaked trailer many months ago, do you recall? I really want to see slithering Biomechanoids in this alluding to some sort of proto organism that is part responsible for the original Alien form.

Translated many times many different ways and usually all in an attempt to control Yeah Okay so I can't have an opinion? The Adam and Eve story was brought up in this thread that is why it is relevant to Prometheus. if you think what I said is religion bashing that is your problem.

@Mekja-Tek, it is interesting the fact you use 'detachable genitals' although I don't see them being re-attached. I have always had the belief that the Engineer and Xeno are contribed by some sort of parasite. The xeno appears to bond with the dna of the host. I am under the belief that the 'progenitor of the xeno' as Scott has said in interviews could be a parasite that joins with a higher organism to create the Engineer? Perhaps the large xeno type creatures which have also been mentioned are like cattle, whom are used as hosts to the 'facehugger' or 'white worm'; the Engineer emerges due to some sort of joint symbiotic relationship. As humans are less evolved and more barbaric the introduction of us into the mix creates the more deadly or malevolent xeno............. Maybe these large xeno's lay the eggs for the facehuggers, which would usually just contain the infant white worm that we have seen a glimse of, and because of the human in the mix the facehugger is created after the mutant human(s) fully evoles into the 'progenitor to the xeno'.

I think this is more about a movie concept than the bible :)

The story of Prometheus is a Creationist story.

Sure and from what I have read based on Scientology rather than any type of religion. Even changing Shaw's concept of her own beliefs on religion. But after all it is just a move so no one should feel attacked by a fictional dipiction of Alien beings creating man :)

"That depends on how one interprets the Book of Genesis." Exactly! "No, it is your problem as well because using such language either does not add to the discussion at hand or poisons the discussion at hand with unconstructive criticism." Is what I am saying "uncontructive and poison" simply because you don't agree? Are you going to tell me that religion is not about control because most religious texts are nothing but rules and regulations. Are you even serious or just a troll looking for a fight?

I am with you Biomechanic, this guy needs to stop. All you were doing was responding and contributing to someone's post on the same matter. But yet you have been targeted for some reason. Sounds like a troll to be, but I could be wrong. Could be some dude/chick that just has a beef when religious talk begins, but can't figure out who started the talk so chooses the last responding individual to target. I suggest ignoring the person, my experience is they will only keep responding turning a decent conversation into something no one wants to read.

Big on the Bio :) For sure open forum and no need to take things so personally. This about Aliens, Robots and Therone doing naked push ups, not Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Jokes, no offence intended :)

@Biomechanic.....While I disagree with your statement about the tree of knowledge and the church's purpose for it....,,,,,,,,.@eahaddix is right about that story existing as part of Judaism for thousands of years before Christianity founded itself upon the Jewish faith; there are thousands of examples that tell the same story and [b]never[/b] deviate on the finer details or doctrine......[b]There is no reason we can't have a civil discussion or disagreement about the matter rather than lose our heads. We're all capable of displaying the character of intelligent people......let's agree to behave as though we are.[/b] What do you say guys?.....@eahaddix?......@Biomechanic?

I know that the story predates Christianity and I don't see how it makes any difference to what I said. Whether written by the Jews and taught in the synagogs or interpreted by Christians and spread by the Christian churches it was a way to tell people how to think. I call that control. I was trying to have civil discussion but I will not allow my opinion to be silenced without a valid reason. This is the last I am going to discuss this here though because we are very off topic.

I appreciate the civil response @Biomechanic and I agree, we're way off topic...thanks

Right so now that we put away the controversial topic of religion we can get back to the safe discussions of detachable gentiles and Giger's sexually deviant designs. : )

Haha :)

Gigers designs are very bio-mechanical-sexual... they provoke much thought. I can detect "Sil" in one of the portraits posted on this thread. I find it interesting that perhaps the sj have detachable genitals. That could be the facehugger.... however, I do believe there will be a human aspect leading up to the xenomorph that we call the Alien. It is hostile, has no remorse... much like that of some prior "human" postings along this thread. Isn't it strikingly odd that when religeon is thrown into conversation that many of us "humans" express hostility without remorse towards a fellow human being?

has anyone got atomic children?

I guess it always seemed like a no-brainer to me: an advanced space-faring race (Jockeys/Engineers/Nom du Jour)...probably has fleets of ships. So, the possibility of two SJ ships in Prometheus...not that unreasonable. It was also discussed in other threads that the ship in Prometheus looked different than the derelict in Alien...again, possibly lots of ships, possibly many designs.

Yeah it does seem different. If you look at the SJ chair room in the Prometheus trailer, it looks alot bigger than in the Alien movie. . . Also it'd make sense that the SJ's would have more than one "Derelict" type ship.

The walls in lower photo are much different. They appear to have "secretions" that have made the derelict look more like the hive from aliens. There are also no "pods" in the lower photo.

RE: Derelict Chair There is no way to size-compare the two images because we don't even know if the Blue Humanoid is human size or not. Through casual observation, the chair in the original ALIEN looks vastly larger than the one in PROMETHEUS. Again because of the comparative size of the humanoids in the 2 images. Perspective distortion, yo!

Like many others, I too have picked through and tried to compare the various great and small visual differences between what we were shown in Alien and what Prometheus has to offer. My conclusion: We may be making a mountain out of a mole-hill. Unless the differences are [u]specifically[/u] alluded to and/or explained, the visual inconsistencies may simply be explained as a case of artistic-license on the part of Scott and his crew. Some things have been streamed-lined, some things may have been tweaked, some details added or subtracted. It's nothing with any hidden meaning. It's been over 30 years since the original and Scott (like any artist) may have a different eye for updating the visual-aesthetics of a piece of art that is over three decades old. It's usually us fans [i](and not the actual film-maker himself)[/i] that tend to keep a near fetishistic devotion to a subject matter.

I suppose the new derelict looks less biomechanic than the old one, but retains the general shape. The surface pattern of the outside looks as if it's been crossed with the ship from Event Horizon and certainly no longer looks organic.

Re: Biomechanic's reply... Although I'm willing to give the benefit of a doubt to the small stuff [i](the 'strut issue' or the walls of the derelict)[/i] and just chalk it up to an artistic license update on part of the director, I'm gonna' be holding the line on the CLEARLY fossilized SJ from Alien and the significantly different landscape of the planet itself. (Assuming of course that it is in fact LV-426 and not a different planet altogether.) I don't want Scott skipping over THOSE significant details. If Prometheus does take place less than 50 years before Alien, I'm expecting a damn good reason for the obvious differences in the appearance of the SJ corpse and the planet itself by the time Dallas and his crew pay a visit.

I agree with @Biomechanic and @Graphix67....don't sweat the small stuff...... ..with the struts, the chair hasn't even finished coming out of the floor, so there's no telling what they'll look like when it comes to its final position.... ...as to the wall, love your "nursery like a whale" theory @Biomechanic....very well put... ...and there do seem to be variations from 'Alien's derelict and the ship in 'Prometheus'.....the exterior, the pods, the walls, etc......let's just wait and see...they may be two ships.,.......the ship, keeping with a bio-mechanical theme, may be alive itself in a strange usual way.....That effect on the walls we see in 'Alien', the boney protrusions, may be a later stage in biomechanical development. As a general characteristic of the SpaceJockey race, their technology may adapt over time...hence the bio-mechanical nature of the xeno....it may just be an extension of their bio-mech-tech..... ...and concerning the crash site, that's a massive hip coming down from God knows what altitude...we've only scene a few short shots......it's possible it slides on imapct and comes to rest against that mountainous terrain we see in 'Alien'....the shots in 'Alien' are all from the front, the side from which our three Nostromo crew members approach from...we never see behide that behemoth ship...it could be as flat and barren behind it as we see in the few shots we have...

With regards to the wall differences, in Prometheus we see that the chair rises up from a lower chamber. Perhaps the original Alien SJ room is below the one we see in Prometheus. At any rate, its pretty clear that the chair can move at least up and down and may not be limited to a single location.

That's Brilliant @Enhanced Eddie....I hadn't thought of it that way and it would explain a lot......here's a pic that might go along with the theory.... [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oE-wCzOVPzM/TvJoxt1E-SI/AAAAAAAAAU8/cCwf4co4DRI/s320/prometheus_teaser_3_6.jpg[/img]

Re: Craigamore... OK, just taking a leap from yours (and others) observation that the ship itself is "alive" in some form or another. My problem (as stated in an earlier post) is how Ridley will explain the clearly fossilized SJ from Alien if in fact Prometheus takes place less than 50 years before the events of Alien. And now I just may have my answer... Perhaps the SJ corpse and derelict from Alien APPEAR to be fossilized but are only in fact severely desiccated, dried-out and mummified. Afterall, it doesn't take a dead animal hundreds or thousands of years to dry-out and become mummified. If the SJ and the ship are living bio-mechanical objects then, when they "died", they just went under the natural decomposing process and by the time the Nostromo arrives 40 or 50 years later, that is what they find: Once living things that have dried-out and desiccated but not necessarily fossilized. Any thoughts???

Well...if the planet IS LV426, then maybe the fact that it has supposedly no atmospehere (the atmoshphere processor in Aliens) has an impact on the drying/fossilization of the orginal derelict. But, it is obvious there is an atmosphere on the planet in the Prometheus trailer. I bet the planet in Prometheus is not LV426. It has an atmosphere.

Good point @Graphix67...but also remember, that's a suit in that chair. Ridley's confirmed that it is, in fact a suit..... From a Filmophobia article that I posted here about a month back: Ridley says, "I think one of the reasons why I’ve never gone back to science-fiction, even though I’ve often noodled around, thought about it, looked for story, looked for material, is that there’s a nice purity to the original Alien. It’s fairly pure. And this one does actually raise all kinds of other questions, because if someone could, a being, could be as monstrously clever to create something like we experienced in the very first one – I always figured it’s a weapon, and I always figured that [the ship in the first Alien] was a carrier of weapons. Therefore, who is that, inside that suit? That wasn’t a skeleton, that was a suit. And if you open up the suit, what do you get inside it? And why were they going, where were they going?" So, if it's suit, and we keep with the biomechanical, in essence--living suit, then it doesn't have to fossilized, merely "dried-out and desiccated", as you put it...