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now i'm officially scared ...

[i]now i'm officially scared ...[/i] LoL.. This should be interesting one way or another.

Jeffo, Does this fit the description? [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/1a1a7.jpg[/img]

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Yeah thats the guy. I just found it interesting that the same guy who posted this about the giant head: [i]The head is a representation of the Engineer, some sort of leader for his civilization, a great scientist who has a cult following by his people. Probably because he masters the biomechnical technology that helps his race prevails over the universe.[/i] Posted this description about the Engineer way back on Sept 30th. [i]A guy I know who's seen stills of the film has described to me what the Engineers actually look like. Huge, muscular, blue. Think Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen, but really tall. Just in case you guys were interested. I don't know how well that will turn out, but it's good news that they don't have elephant trunks.[/i] Makes me think this guy has inside connections to someone in the movie. If it's true I just didn't expect the giant head to be some sort of monument to the Engineer by his followers.

That the figure in that still is "officially" an SJ, would fit with everything else we've seen and everything we know about this movie and the original "Alien." Scientists set out on an interstellar mission to learn about our origins, Said scientists find a gigantic, deliberately carved, humanoid noggin when they reach their destination. The SJ in "Alien" was a giant with decidedly humanoid forelimbs/hands. The SJ in Alien also appeared to have somehow biomechanically "merged" with the chair, which could easily account for why the SJ head does [i]not[/i] appear humanoid, The noggin on the large, humanoid, [i]clearly biomechanical[/i] figure in the trailer is a carbon-copy of the enormous head the scientists discovered earlier in the story. He's also the right size to fit perfectly in that snazzy chair he's staring at. We also know that pretty much, the[i] last[/i] thing we would have expected, is a biomechanical [i]humanoid[/i] God who's perverse, evil [i] technology[/i] is responsible not only for creating the monstrous "aliens," but also [i]us[/i], in their own image. It's the last thing[i] I[/i] would have expected from an "Alien" sequel/prequel, anyway. So yeah, that's why I think it's probably what we're getting.

From what we know about both "Alien" and the "Prometheus" trailer, it makes sense to conclude that the figure in that still [i]is[/i] an SJ. From "Alien" we know that the SJ has decidedly humanoid forelimbs and hands. We also know that he appears to have somehow biomechanically "merged" with the chair in which he's sitting, which could account for the fact that his head[i] doesn't[/i] appear humanoid. We know that in "Prometheus," scientists embark on a mission of discovery about [i]our origins[/i]. We know that they subsequently discover a gigantic stone monument, in the form of a humanoid head. The noggin on the figure in that still, is a carbon copy of the stone monument. He is clearly a biomechanical humanoid, and just the right size to fit in the control chair he appears to have summoned from beneath the floor. I know that the very last thing I would have expected, is for the SJs to be highly advanced, but ruthlessly evil humanoids who used[i] technology[/i] to create monsters like the "xenos" [i]and us[/i] to wreak havok on everything we touch.....so yeah, that's why I think it's probably just what we're getting.

As stated in other threads. IMO I don't think the bald headed tall muscular Engineers are where it ends. I think there is higher being also. This guy maybe the SJ but I don't think it ends there or just the Engineer . Ridley talked about a higher power after stating the engineers. The big Disc over the water falls in the trailer doesn't look like a Direlect...it could have been the Higher beings or Gods via Gods and Engineers. Ridley might leave the Gods the mystery so all of the people here that are upset that this movie will ruin the mystery of the original alien. I think we will here about the Gods but not see them. Then we will be wanting more...another one from Ridley. I could be wrong. Either way it's gonna be epic.

He Looks Like "...an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill". ~Spoken Like Marlon Brando as Col. Kurtz in Apocalypse Now.

"As stated in other threads. IMO I don't think the bald headed tall muscular Engineers are where it ends. I think there is higher being also. This guy maybe the SJ but I don't think it ends there or just the Engineer . Ridley talked about a higher power after stating the engineers. The big Disc over the water falls in the trailer doesn't look like a Direlect...it could have been the Higher beings or Gods via Gods and Engineers. Ridley might leave the Gods the mystery so all of the people here that are upset that this movie will ruin the mystery of the original alien. I think we will here about the Gods but not see them. Then we will be wanting more...another one from Ridley. I could be wrong. Either way it's gonna be epic." Who made those Gods then? This argument has no resolution as it never ends. Asking the big questions is difficult to impossible, because there is not even a way to logically arrive at any definite point (besides that there is not even a way to ask the question yet it seems). So the movie is not about big questions I'm afraid; It's just exploring another BS myth. Well, that is if all our speculations are even remotely close to what the movie actually touches on. So, I am eagerly waiting for it though :) P.S.: Don't mean to sound mean, as I'm eagerly waiting to watch this movie myself. Not also against mythical stories, as they are quite entertaining I must admit.

I look at it this way. I don't really care who made the Gods, and who made the beings that made the Gods. This is a RS Universe. It's insanity because I feel worrying about it like it's gonna answer questions in real everyday life leads to insanity. If it's that important?... I feel I'll start going to church instead of waiting for Prometheus to answer these questions for me. lol P.S. I don't mean to sound mean either.

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"I look at it this way. I don't really care who made the Gods, and who made the beings that made the Gods. This is a RS Universe. It's insanity because I feel worrying about it like it's gonna answer questions in real everyday life leads to insanity. If it's that important?... I feel I'll start going to church instead of waiting for Prometheus to answer these questions for me. lol P.S. I don't mean to sound mean either. " Good observation, but just curious as to why would you go to church as you would definitely not get any answers there? P.S.: You did not sound mean in the least bit.

Lmao...

The first line I hear is "you don't understand" . Not "you don't have to stop" It is her Eastern European accent.

Awsome thread! This is very important to understand what is being said. I'm going to listen again tonight.

I agree with Miser. I hear "you don't understand" in a whisper, then "he is coming, he is coming" and perhaps "to meet" though it's really difficult to make out that last phrase.

man.. can you do that with the whole sound bit? From beginning to end?

Never mind.. you did that with you first post! Thanks!

have you reached an agreement ? :p

PROMETHEUS TRAILER DILOGUE: The way I hear it anyway… “You don’t understand…” VIA TRANSMISSION: “He’s coming…he’s coming…” VIA TRANSMISSION: “Prometh--” “I was wr…wrong…(it was or we were) so wrong…--” “I’m so sorry” “PLEASE!” I'm a little dubious about the “so wrong” line of dialogue…the sound is a bit muffled…and depending on Repace’s accent…could go either way. Interesting topic Biomechanic. ~N

You know...she might be saying "Come in...come in...Prometh--" INSTEAD of "He is coming..." Like someone trying to reach someone else with a transmission. Oh screw it...I fer killin' that god damn right now!

Imagine going through all of this, you are now stranded in Zeta Reticulae, the ship be it Magellan or Prometheus damaged beyond repair. You have just enough power, or life support for you to send a final message back to Earth. To me, it sounds like "You have to understand, I was wrong, we were so wrong,.....I'm so sorry." They went there looking for explanations as to the origin of our species. What they found in no way lived up to the dream of a benevolent all knowing creature that would embrace his children, and answer all our questions. The very notion that technology this advanced is in the hands of anything other than a morally evolved species scares the hell out of me more than any Xenomorph. It's like extrapolating on the rights of parents to interfere or manipulate the lives of their children at whim. However in this case it's expanded to the limits of your imagination, to the creator we are but test results. Marvelous, remarkable but not neccessarily the end products he was hoping for.

I believe you may have nailed it, I like to keep a little more simple though, so up until I read what you wrote "Ghost" I figured it this way...She was wrong to have suggested they bring some of the Ampules on board for closer inspection and what the crew has now discovered is what they are tinkering with was/is beyond their understanding and deadly to them all. That they underestimated or misunderstood the Engineer's potential reaction to them doing that.

Hi Spartacus, I never ever underestimate RS. Doing it the simple way would allow too many fans to nail the plot synopsis based on the trailer. Plus calculating the distance to Zeta Ret, any transmission even travelling a C would take 39.38 years to travel back to Earth. Interesting isn't that?

you dont understand there coming there coming i was so wrong i was so wrong

Very. But at the same time and in the same spirit who's to say they don't have computers tied into their "planted androids" that can deliver messages to them instantly? "Weyland's" a bad bad man dude. LOL

DeKomposer, I thiink the "They" that are coming, is the Engineer's, and their quite pissed off about them Ampules boys and girls..lol...:)

He's so bad he sometimes spells his name Weylan just to be mysterious.

LMFAO, come to think of it, i'm a bad man.

I'm not listening to them because the links are not working. prompting for a sign up again, different one, same request though.

[i]Ghost Solitare The very notion that technology this advanced is in the hands of anything other than a morally evolved species scares the hell out of me more than any Xenomorph.[/i] ^^^ Amen to this ^^^ IMO the xeno is just a bug/animal. It's not evil. I wouldn't want to run into one, but I also wouldn't want to run into a great white shark either. It appears that something in this movie is extremely advance, extremely powerful, and extremely sadistic. That combo makes the hair on my neck stand up.

I got it now, my bad, Biomechanic, I am old and tired.

"he's coming" sounds so funny all slowed down...guess she's having a dream in which she's being impregnated by Bishop in another life.

[quote]Ghost Solitare The very notion that technology this advanced is in the hands of anything other than a morally evolved species scares the hell out of me more than any Xenomorph. ^^^ Amen to this ^^^ IMO the xeno is just a bug/animal. It's not evil. I wouldn't want to run into one, but I also wouldn't want to run into a great white shark either. It appears that something in this movie is extremely advance, extremely powerful, and extremely sadistic. That combo makes the hair on my neck stand up.[/quote] ---------------------------------- The origins of the xenomorphs have never been fully explained in the films, but the expanded Alien literature has stated that the xenomorphs are bio-weapons genetically engineered by an ancient race called the "Space Jockeys". That's about as Much Intended Evil as you can squeeze out of any creation!

The time it would take a transmission to reach us from Zeta is interesting in that the Nostromo made it's ill fated voyage to the same system 30 some odd years later. By that time it was along a major trade route they were diverted from between Thedus and Sol. RS is obvously completely ignoring any of the published and authorized information available in that there were other worlds colonized in that era that Ripley and crew lived in. Mankind would not advance from a maiden voyage in the first FTL equipped vessel to residing on literally dozens of worlds in under four decades. Logistically and economically speaking it's unfeasible. So if he's off the rails and rewriting the entire genre, one never knows what we're in store for.

In Alien 3 the computed transmission from Earth & Bishop looked instantaneous to me!

Alien 3 took place after Ellen Ripley was recovered in the Narcisus 40 some odd years after the Nostromo went down on Archeron, The Sulaco made it from Sol to Zeta in a third of the time that the Nostromo was going to take to transit from Zeta Ret back to Earth. Their technology has obviously advanced since the events in Alien. Prometheus takes place even earlier. It's rumored that it's literally the FIRST FTL flight outside our immediate area of space. Thank you Biomechanic for the little bit of info on the apparent time line. If that's the case than Alien 3 was a century later. However RS isn't even going to acknowledge those films as they are outside his established canon. The transmission time roughly coincides with Weyland diverting the Nostromo from it's route from Thedus to Sol.

i understand where you are coming from. you make a valid point. ALIEN is one of my most very favorite films, and when i read that Scott was going to do a sequel / prequel, i was a bit un-nerved to read that. he's tampering with something i hold V E R Y sacred to me then finding out that the story of PROMETHEUS kinda closes the circle in regards to the relationship the human species has to the space jockey, so in that regard, i do feel there is a sense of Scott shattering my perceptions of all things ALIEN at the same time, (i feel) Cameron and all the rest did their very best to chip away at the integrity of ALIEN, which REALLY bothered me, i'm not a fan of 'Aliens" and all the rest.. so for Scott to (in his own way) set things aright with this new film, i'm hoping that in spite of the fact that some of the mystery i now feel for the what i saw in ALIEN, is a mixed blessing for me. but what's done is DONE. the ball is rolling, and i hope that it rolls all over me with some really great / fresh / exciting / fantastical ALIEN inspired lore i too was not scared of ALIEN when i saw it, for me, it above all else, was a cool looking science fiction film to me, it was suspenseful to me, but never "scary" or "horrific" go figure.....