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Spartacus, In your original post from Screen Junkies in the 2nd last photo, the one before the Stars Wars waco.......where did this photo come from? ..... is it a real Prometheus still?....what is that being/creature?........is this the Space Jockey out of his elephant suit?

Yes, it is from the trailer. The scene where the chair is being elevated into the chamber. You can see this figure in the lower right corner.

Great stuff, I think you guys could be on to something with Steel egg if they take some of its ideas about a battle that happened before Alien, and the three teams splitting up, finding a ship

Thanks Miser, That is no human .......however it has a humanoid shape and if the pilots console is elevating into the cockpit then it must be the pilot!

I agree, I'd still like to see what some of the "old timer" community members have to say on this because they have that scene broken down frame by frame and have a lot to day about this fellow as well as "the greys" and some other stuff, so I defer to them on that guy!!! His identity is obviously a big big deal and it appears that you are correct.

For everyone whom wants to see a Space Jockey born Xenomorph here you are, courtesy of the DS game Aliens: Infestation... [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111016142622/avp/images/5/51/Jockalien.jpg[/img]

fantastic, I actually saw it last week and did not notice the xeno was born of that Jockey Thanks Snorky !!!

Is There anything missing, anything we might now that isn't in here?

Biomechanic, Snorky, did you guys read this?

Obviously sparks I posted the DS image. Truth is we know next to nothing about the SJ's, and most of what you have included is expanded universe, which although fun is not canon. That said the factual info is bang on sparks.

sorry Snorky my apologies, my bad, I forgot it was you that posted the DS pic. let me know what it missed you guys, or just post it if you fnd something that it didn't cover. Thanks men!

Did you reference the original Giger artwork the Space Jockey was based from?

In earlier threads yes several times, I am happy to do it again as well, but I think we covered that already pretty well and people might find it repetitive. But again, if you prefer I do than I will.

James earl Jones would have been great!

I love him, he has a distinct, classy, and "Shakesperian" type voice.

Zsa Zsa Gabor "Aliens made us all us dahling and then they left quietly like a good ex husband should"

LMFAO

This isn't meant to stir the pot as much as it is to try and ground ourselves with the speculating on this film. This is only my view on it so I am not posting this to see any of the usual arguing and blasting that went on here in the past. I'm not stepping on anybody's theories or views. I do not believe a queen is involved. Ridley will not connect this with any other Alien film in the series, especially not one of the things he despises. He has said on different occasions that he did not like nor agree with the Queen idea. Besides....the eggs were planted where they are and not laid. That corridor (which if you read the novelization is not in the ship, btw...read the book..it is made clear in it that the corridor where the eggs are was much further down than where the ships bottom was. "interesting" kane says "i'm below ground level") had eggs that were aligned perfectly for some reason. I do not think this film is going to answer all of these questions presented here and on these forums. In my thinking, I believe he won't answer much at all but present new questions and ideas. I do think the OP has an interesting theory. Although I do believe we are not going to see a whole lot of questions answered. I believe Scott is only going to go so far with the connections to the events leading into the 1st film and let it be. I think he is going to connect it in a way that is plausible. I do not believe he is interested in tailoring a great idea and story to a bunch of geeks and nerds like us specifically. I am of the thinking that what we will get is an amazing movie with a great and unique story that will connect very slyly and in a way that is not going to disrupt the new story. I saw this film when I was 9 in the theater the second week of its initial run and I am just as geeked about this as anyone but I am not going to speculate all of this crazy stuff (and ultimately be let down by an extreme theory) about what the connection is with the original film when all signs point to minimal story ties. I want a new grand epic with new creatures and something that connects it enough to go "wow that is cool" and give some history to the "Space Jockey" being. That will make me happy.

[b]@Miser[/b] I agree regarding the Queen. I strongly believe the Queen took away from the mystery of the ALIEN. I hope Ridley re-writes things his way.

I wholeheartedly agree miser. As I have stated many times, IMO the one and only direct link to Alien (except for being set in the same universe) will be the crashed derelict. I seriously believe there will be no Aliens, absolutely no Queens, no Facehuggers, just the Derelict. This is NOT an Alien film.

what you do not get Snorlebottom is that their does not have to be, it need ONLY be implied because their 100% bar none with NO Exceptions had to be at least 1 Queen and many other warriors in the Derelict when it crashed on LV-426. I disagree 100% completely that "This is not an Alien film" when it is clearly about a crew lookin for signs of alien life in the galaxy and your statement that there will not be one Alien in the film, the Engineers are Aliens for g-d's sake and there will be plenty of them. As for the xeno's, facehuggers, and a Queen there does not have to be, but it 100% has to be implied that there were on the Derelict for ANY of all of this to make any sense what so ever. You're right and there is no need for any of those life forms to APPEAR in the film and they may not need to show them at all but it sure as hell cannot go on with any credibility what so ever unless they are mentioned and the issues their obvious, presence raised addressed. There 100% had to be at least 1 queen and several thousand warrior ampules at least on board the Derelict or what we have here is a seriously flawed film with a major continuity issue From the trailer there is CLEARLY something darkly malevolent and Evil taking place in this film and I will not be surprised if we see many many life forms that we haven't seen in any of the 4 films up until now. I think it is NAIVE completely naive to state that there will be no Aliens in this film But I think you ONLY mean it in regard to the original Alien form as you mentioned, Queens , Xeno's, and Facehuggers, and I agree with that, but there is no way IMO that there aren't even worse life forms than that in this film. Stuff we have not yet seen. What Scott meant on the trailer to the trailer #3 when he says this movie "is about little things doing great big terrible things" was that there are several tIny Life Forms Doing Terrible things to several bigger life forms in it.

I have seen this theory batted around a few times... "The Space Jockey gets attacked by a Facehugger and gives birth to a Queen Xenomorph, that then goes into the bowels of the derelict and lays thousands of eggs." I am sorry to be blunt but this theory is utter rubbish for a few reasons... 1. Ridley stated that the Derelict is a bomber of sorts, designed to drop the eggs onto unsuspecting worlds. 2. Ridley has also stated that he never liked the Queen idea, so the probability of one appearing or being inferred in Prometheus are next to none. 3. The eggs are arranged in the Derelicts "Egg Chamber" in an ordered fashion, if they had been laid they would be arranged more haphazardly. 4. This is the most obvious point of them all. The eggs in Alien were intentionally protected by a thin layer of "laser-mist" that reacted when broken. Think about the 4th point I made - Space Jockey (fused to his chair) hears an alarm, realizes one of his "cargo" has gotten loose (by breaking through the "laser-mist"), knowing he can't escape he initiates the warning beacon...

dude #1-The Derelict Bomber was loaded up with Ampules deliberately. Not Eggs, the ampules were programmed to evolve into Xeno's by the time the Derelict reached it's location. #2-The Queen Idea has nothing to do with this, AGAIN, what You do not get Is the Queen DOES NOT HAVE TO APPEAR IN THE FILM, but there 100% had to be one PERIOD, laying those eggs on the derelict, NOT ONLY THAT, BUT AFTER THEY WERE LAID THE QUEEN BUILT AND INSTALLED THE PROTECTIVE BLUE LAYER COVERING THE NEST. #3- YES, THE EGGS MAY LOOK PERFECTLY LAID TO YOU BUT THEY WERE CLEARLY NOT. When Cain walks through the nest they clearly are not!!! #4- I already addressed...might even have been another Engineer who did that, but it does not matter at all, it is 100% incidental, whoever did it did so to protect the eggs...we do not need to see it being constructed!!! My Point is The Ampules/Eggs had to be transported to LV-426 by an alien life foRM, WHICH WE 100% NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IN ANY FILM ABOUT ALIEN EXTRA TERRESTRIAL LIFE.. THERE MAY NOT NEED TO BE ANY QUEEN OR FACEHUGGER OR WARRIOR XENO'S IN IT BUT THERE 100% WILL BE OTHER LIFE FORMS AND THERE HAS TO BE HERE !!! YOU SAID, "THIS IS NOT AN ALIEN FILM" BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS...IT CLEARLY MOST DEFINITELY 100% IS ONE !!! If you mean none of the same creatures that appeared in Alien will appear in this film, I have to disagree with that also because most of we know so far does not even come close to addressing that issue and there are clearly other life forms causing some of the events in what we have seen so far.

also, Scott will lose every single ounce of credibility he has if he even attempts to suggest after we ALL SAW The Eggs being LAID, that this is NOT how they got inside the derelict on LV-426. He may not have liked Cameron's Queen, but he is SLAVE to it now and he cannot discard the entire story line for 4 films just change it !!!

there is also 2 conflicting ideas here now 1 that says the Xeno's can be produced in a way OTHER than eggs being laid, and one that says they can only be born One Way. What if Both are true? What if the Xeno's can be produced both naturally and artificially? That would make it entirely possible that the eggs were in fact planted in the belly of the derelict and manufactured artificially somehow !!!

In Alien we see another way .... we see Eggs growing from human bodies ( cocooned people ) or human bodies genetically morphing into eggs .... SO if Cameron did change Scott's idea why Scott cant change Cameron's version ? he was the one who started all !! and to be honest the "Cocooned Dallas" scene is much more scaring than the Queen one .

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Okay sparky... 1. Ampules programmed into eggs? Wheres your source, your proof. Inside the Derelict we have only ever seen eggs, not ampules. Stick to the facts. 2. Expand your scope. It is likely that this is not the first time the Derelict has been used to transport its cargo... Think of it this way - Derelict visits Planet A and drops half its cargo of eggs, then visits Planet B and drops off the other half. It then returns to Planet A, after the Xenomorph has used up all suitable hosts, and subsequently died. All that would remain would be thousands of eggs, which it would then pick up for use on another planet... No queen necessary, just an unfortunate planet. 3. The eggs are arranged orderly, as they are only found in the "troughs" of the egg chamber. If a Queen had laid them the eggs would have covered every available space. 4. The "Laser-Mist" is a (failed) security measure intended to alert the Pilot. Yes there are aliens in or inferred in Prometheus, but not Aliens as in in Xenomorphs. Prometheus is a Space Jockey film, not a Xenomorph film, is probably a clearer way of putting it.

good point Frantz, and you guys got me to think that maybe the eggs can be manufactured both mechanically or artificially as well as organically !!!! Maybe Both are possible but I think it;ls a pretty good bet this film will have some serious ass Aliens in it, maybe not the Xeno's/facehuggers/ etc etc but things even worse!!! The Liquid itself seems like an Alien entity to me !!! And it sure behaves like one !!!

Just FYI The Laser mist did not fail, it succeeded. If that had been Earth, mankind would have been exterminated. If the atmospheric processors on LV-426 had not exploded, the Xeno's would have eaten everything alive anyways. The planet was doomed once the derelict first got there! There 100% had to be Aliens on board the Derelict. The Liquid goo is what is contained inside the ampules. We know for a fact that this goo is programmable and contains the genetic codeing for thousands of life forms through out the galaxy. The Ampules did their thing while the Derelict was en route to Earth {and only one of them had to be programmed to become a queen}...to destroy... it as payback for some one on the Prometheus crew stealing some of the Ampules from the Engineers. The Warriors More than likely constructed the protective coating surrounding the eggs. The Mist was not for alerting the Jockey, it was to protect the Eggs, and this is exactly what it did !!! In fact as I mentioned, if that had been earth, mankind would have been erradicated !!!

and the ONLY other explanation is this, something we did not think of to begin and NO One has even mentioned yet. The ONLY other possibility, is that LV-426 turns out to be the home world of the Xenomorph !!! Which is so wacked out as an idea I wouldn't know where to begin on that !!!

Sparky, look at my answer to your answer for 2.

This is most probably why there are thousands of eggs on board the Derelict... "Expand your scope. It is likely that this is not the first time the Derelict has been used to transport its cargo... Think of it this way - Derelict visits Planet A and drops half its cargo of eggs, then visits Planet B and drops off the other half. It then returns to Planet A, after the Xenomorph has used up all suitable hosts, and subsequently died. All that would remain would be thousands of eggs, which it would then pick up for use on another planet... No queen necessary, just an unfortunate planet."

On close examination, the object which David pulls out of the urn looks more like four separate.....uh....., tadpoles(?) or embryos, than just a big, amorphous glob of goo. You can even see a hint of solid structure within them, like ribs or digits.

I was reading thru the old script from Alien and there were Ampules in the Derelict along with the eggs. Dallas found one that was opened from the top. Also, the original idea was that the humans can be turned into eggs. It sounds like there was never meant to be a Queen in the lifecycle. However, as mentioned above we are stuck with it and so is Ridley. This film can just proove that there are two ways they can reproduce. Also, it does seem plausible that the Xenomorphs can be made and/or breed. Just like we can clone an animal over and over on a farm. Then if one gets loose it can go mate on it's own. Ridley can use both concepts. If a warrior hatches with no queen then he can cacoon people and use them to make eggs. Perhaps the mutant in the trailer is in the process of turning into a human egg. I'm still going out on a limb and stating that I think the SJ's used the xeno's for more than just a way to wipe out a planet's population. The fact that the SJ suit and craft look like the aliens body cannot be coincedence. Also, if the Engineers manufactor planets and spread life then it does seem odd that they would use Xeno's as a weapon for mass extinction especially since they can turn on them as well.

I never knew until i read the book Alien Vault that Dallas and Brett were TURNING INTO EGGS when they were cocooned by the Alien! Like compared to Aliens using the humans as hosts! But obviously i doubt Aliens will be taking into consideration for Prometheus which is only right!

What is "Steel Egg"? And who is Giff?

Yes, I read that two years ago keyg920, so called because of the the funny 'giff' sound uttered by the alien on the hologram. I liked the Iapetus moon being inhabited under the ridge theory too. Good book.

The giff was another race in the book.