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@ Snorklebottom. How you can say that "Proof beyond doubt that Prometheus only features the Yutani Corporation" Where? Where's the proof? You dont see the "W" because you either dont want to see it or your just not looking hard enough. The gaps in the logo re[resent the "W" and the triangle represent the "Y". Keep looking.

@ EP, So when the companies merge the Weyland representatives say "Sure, we have no problem with our patented logo being rescinded into the 'gaps' between your logo." I think not. If apple and microsoft merged would microsoft be happy for the merged company logo to be a small window shaped leaf on apples "apple". I think not. We have seen Weyland industries Logo in AVP, we have seen Weyland-Yutani's Logo in Aliens and Alien 3, but we have not seen Yutani's logo yet... til now.

My problem comes from if that is a Y in the middle with a W. We've been told by Ridley before that it would have just been Weyland back then. Or "Weylan" if they are going with that spelling. My source has it as Weyland and just Weyland alone in the spelling. I can see the W but I can also see the Y. But early on, when it was still the untitled prequel and in Ridley's commentary on the subject, we were told it would just be Weyland back then. Maybe something changed. Maybe my source was off on the spelling, or left out the -Yutani part. But what was mentioned about the Captain is exactly what I'm thinking. Affiliated with the military back on Earth more than the rest of the crew and Weyland as a company.

Dickie is clearly part of the crew ...we see her watching the egg along noomi ...no images about PEarce yet ... btw are you so sure that Ridley care much about that WY thing ? I think hes more interested in telling a great story instead of having to follow bureocratic things that 4 so so prequels created .

I think there is a good point here with Y and W. It might make sense because I reckon there must be two ships in the movie. One scientic and one non-scientic (for want of a better word). If you look at the trailer and photos there seem to be the crew using flame throwers yet the cast list includes merceneries. Merceneries generallly carry guns etc. I wonder if the second ship is a Y ship with the mercenaries and they make a play to grab the secret begin humanity or terraforming and things get ugly?

I wouldn't believe it being spelled that way if I hadn't read it in a survey that way. You can go back through my old posts if you want to find the slightly extended synopsis contained in that survey. I absolutely believe it to be true, as Dark Knight Rises info and some other movie info I have turned out to be true. Like I said though, they could have part of the name wrong. I copied it exactly before I posted it here and on AVPGalaxy explaining how I got it, before the trailer got leaked.

I believe it will just be one 'company'- Weylan Yutani. I think maybe we're over complicating things? In response to the logo we've seen in Prometheus, I too can see a 'w' and a 'y' Maybe Weylan bought out Yutani, in a hostile takeover sort of way and incorporated their logo for advertising reasons?

Snorkel.. I think you have your argument completely the wrong way around.. Plenty of people have pointed out the alternatives so i don't need to.. but i'm going to.. the stylised yutani Y would have been stylised (by the Aliens art department, remember this is a film, not real life) to fit behind the W. not the other way around, no one would create a stylised Y like that without reason, the reason being to fit behind a W. In the hypothetical universe of Alien, then surely a premerger logo would be a plain Y or Yutani. what you're looking at there is a stylised W. Think old school stencils that, say, the military (not the USCMC) used to use for crates etc.

In some of the EU material, and hints/names of the groups in supplementary material, + background info that comes mainly through unused Alien 3 scripts, it's revealed various multinational corporations once each ruled a section of the Earth long before the events on LV-426. Some of these corporations united together under one side or the other: the three world empire on one side and U.S.S i.e. the colonies/colonial marines, the allied worlds on the other. With the union of progressive peoples featured in Gibson's unused Alien3 script coming about later somewhere in between, but I think they might be the three world empire at a later date. The point I'm making is I think we might see some of these things mentioned, or taking shape if Fox/Ridley wants to explore the company/universe connections subtly for us hardcore fans. I think it'll end up that both companies back on Earth are left mystified as to what happened to their crew members (sometime after Prometheus has ended) however, they do receive the knowledge that begins to unlock the terra-forming tech and some info about the Jockies. After that maybe both companies have to come together to have any sort of clue what to be on the lookout for in the future (with help of a partial recording of Jockey language, crew records, or info gathered from an android etc like some have predicted). Since we know we're seeing one of the companies judging by that logo, I personally think it could be cool if we see a couple competing powers. edit: Gibson's Alien3 COMPUTER Attention. Due to failure of navigational circuitry, Sulaco has entered a sector claimed by the Union of Progressive Peoples. Auxiliary systems are now on line. Course corrected. Hardwired protocols prevent, repeat, prevent arming of nuclear warheads in the absence of Diplomatic Override, Decryption Standard Charlie Nine. On present course, Sulaco will exit the U.P.P. sector at nineteen hundred hours fifty three point eight minutes.

In some of the EU material, and hints/names of the groups + background info that comes mainly through unused Alien 3 scripts, it's revealed various multinational corporations once each ruled a section of the Earth long before the events on LV-426. Some of these corporations united together under one side or the other: the three world empire on one side and U.S.S i.e. the colonies/colonial marines, the allied worlds the other. With the union of progressive peoples featured in Gibson's unused Alien3 script that come about after those days, but I think they might be three world empire at a later date. The point I'm making is I think we might see some of these things mentioned, or taking shape if Fox/Ridley wants to explore the company/universe connections subtly for us hardcore fans. I think it'll end up that both companies back on Earth are left mystified as to what happened to their crew members (sometime after Prometheus has ended) however, they do receive the knowledge that begins to unlock the terra-forming tech and some info about the Jockies. After that maybe both companies have to come together to have any sort of clue what to be on the lookout for in the future (Partial recording of Jockey language, crew records, or info gathered from an android etc like some have predicted). Since we know we're seeing one of the companies judging by that logo, I personally think it could be cool if we see a couple competing powers.

Regardless of whether it is Weyland/weylan or Yutanis logo (we will find out in six months) we have collectively deciphered that high likeliness that the two companies either compete or collaborate on the mission in the film. From the films title we can either assume that we follow the Prometheus in the competition, or that the Prometheus is the main vessel in the colaboration. Either way it is a clever twist on the corporate paranoia theme that was central to the story of Alien. However, from a design point of view I attest that the logo is a Yutani only logo, and that the arguement that "the gaps make up the W" is IMO very weak indeed. Again, we will find out in six months, when I will either be proved wrong or right as to my speculation.

"the arguement that "the gaps make up the W" is IMO very weak indeed" Like your eyesight?

Tec-B, If you can't argue intelligently don't try. I might be new to these forums, but I am no forum virgin. If you want to prove me wrong find me a corporate logo where the "gaps" make up part of the logo in the same way. The W in the gaps is merely coincidental, and probably intended to cause debates such as this one until the films release.

Actually, I'm newer than you, and neither am I. I wouldn't be the grammar police either as my typing is piss poor. If you want intelligent debate please refer to my remarks about "obvious and conceivable" on the other thread we posted on.

I have my friend, I have.

yes.. very ambiguously enigmatic..

See Magellen makes sense if it's designed as an exploratory vessel with the intention of returning with something or securing something, much like the name Prometheus , though it has the added connotation of taking a faster route. You could still argue it's simply an additional vessel of Prometheus, but then it would seem like it's the part intended to return (the whole circumnavigation bit). This is just my speculation but maybe it is a completely military-owned Yutani vessel sent afterwards that somehow arrives shortly after the Prometheus at the destination. A vessel sent out to find a faster route to the alien world for it's "kingdom" or section of the world/multinational corporation to secure and exploit. Maybe one side's greed is what causes the other more scientifically oriented side to suffer. And some are able to escape on the Magellen. Leaving others to be blamed. Someone mentioned the stuff about how Weylan-Yutani was originally supposed to give the idea of a merger between an old English name and Japan, who now put's out high end ships in the future instead of cars and electronics. oh and in that one post I said USS but really that's only what's on the ships in Aliens. It's tied into to the US expansion into space with a few of the multinationals behind them imo though. Meaning W-Y by that time are directly working with USCMS (United States Colonial Marine Services), which is a designation given to the Nostromo in Alien. it's been a long time but if I recall correctly the merger potentially happens before the forming of the United Americas... United Americas is set up in 2104 (you'll find it in the banned history section of the link) and leads to the allied worlds, but other sources tell us there are still rival powers once humans get out in space. The US remains in charge of a lot out in space. Possibly explaining why Weyland might be so obsessed with acquiring bio-weapons. http://time.absoluteavp.com/index.html

See Magellen makes sense if it's designed as an exploratory vessel with the intention of returning with something or securing something, much like the name Prometheus , though it has the added connotation of taking a faster route. You could still argue it's simply an additional vessel of Prometheus, but then it would seem like it's the part intended to return (the whole circumnavigation bit). This is just my speculation but maybe it is a completely military-owned Yutani vessel sent afterwards that somehow arrives shortly after the Prometheus at the destination. A vessel sent out to find a faster route to the alien world for it's "kingdom" or section of the world/multinational corporation to secure and exploit. Maybe one side's greed is what causes the other more scientifically oriented side to suffer. And some are able to escape on the Magellen. Leaving others to be blamed. Someone recently mentioned the stuff about how Weylan-Yutani was originally supposed to give the idea of a merger between an old English name and Japan, who now puts out high end ships in the future instead of cars and electronics. oh and in that one post I said USS but really that's only what's on the ships in Aliens. It's tied into to the US expansion into space with a few of the multinationals behind them imo though. Meaning W-Y by that time are directly working with USCMS (United States Colonial Marine Services), which is a designation given to the Nostromo in Alien. it's been a long time but if I recall correctly the merger potentially happens before the forming of the United Americas... United Americas is set up in 2104 (you'll find it in the banned history section of the link) and leads to the allied worlds, but other sources tell us there are still rival powers once humans get out in space. The US remains in charge of a lot, but not everything, out in space. Possibly explaining why Weyland might be so obsessed with acquiring bio-weapons. http://time.absoluteavp.com/index.html

Does anyone know at what point in the franchise did the companies merge? We know that Prometheus is set 30 years before the events in Alien, so if the companies merged before that then WY could appear in Prometheus.

check through the link at the end of my last post. That's where I'm refreshing my knowledge on the major powers from.

I gues that's maybe Canon still to be established? I mean there's the comics and the Alien Wiki, but a lot of info comes from there and that really constitutes comic canon as opposed to film canon which at this point seems to be completely different. I guess if you take the AVP films as canon then the companies were definitely around and large by the early 21st century.

Thus they may not yet have merged in Prometheus, IMO (lol) (See Prometheus/Alien tie in thread)

Here is all I can logically add to this discussion.... The name "Weylan-Yutani"was created by Ron Cobb, one of the designers of the Nostromo and its crew's uniforms. Weylan Yutani for instance is almost a joke, but not quite.... Here in his own words is how Mr. Cobb came up with it... "I wanted to imply that poor old England is back on its feet and has united with the Japanese, who have taken over the building of spaceships the same way they have now with cars and supertankers. In coming up with a strange company name I thought of British Leyland and Toyota, but we couldn't use "Leyland-Toyota" in the film. Changing one letter gave me "Weylan," and "Yutani" was a Japanese neighbor of mine. "

I do think someone at fox gave them the go ahead to use some of the cannon that went out in the EU and Marine handbooks and stuff. At least for Alien 3, as you see mentions of the groups in a couple scripts. So with Fox's involvement, and the company in it's earlier stages we may just see some of that. As it would firmly set this in that universe, but still allow for a stand alone story where the average viewer might not notice all the company connections since there are different monsters, different characters and no typical xenos, at least until much later in the movie if classic xenos are in.

Don't you guys see what I mean?...from what I posted there were Never two companys that murged, we all just assumed that, it was One Company with a funky Made Up company name to begin with to make it sound that way.

Yeah thats right Spart' Its AVP 1 and 2 that has seperate companies

yeah, from the pre AVP continuity it would have seemed like it was always "the company" were weyland and yutani were partners, it was the AVP films that established separate companies. That's if we include them as canon. Personally I think that those are a separate universe with the same characters, in fact (Purely IMO) they have more in common with comic continuity because at the end of the day they were"(by popular request" films due to the success of the comic series. I would discount them completely to be honest until we know what new canon will be established. for all we know (Groundless Speculation alert!) they could be the same corp by this stage (or always) but with Weyland being say an aerospace/weapons division (W with wings) and Yutani being a scientific division.

Arghhh its Y with wings IMO lol. Tec-B is right though, this idea of a merger comes from popular speculation and the AVP films, which may or may not be canon, although I believe they are. The comics are an "extended universe" that is not canon, but still came up with some good ideas such as the Royal Jelly. Regards whether the merger idea is valid or not remains to be seen and may or may not be answered in Prometheus, but I do like the idea that we came to - of the two separate companies working with/against each other to discover the secrets to humanities beginnings.

My take is that the weylan-yutani "joke" is a very dark one. To clarify I'm predicting we see the pieces start to fall into place for the merger and never get the full merger within this film. I am pretty sure in all of Ridley's years of occasionally commenting on wanting to explore the space jockey's origins that he also at one point mentions how it was in fact just the Weylan company at one point. IMO this is his baby, and all the misdirection is just to ensure we are totally surprised by what we see. What I took from the combined name thing was that they wanted to create a name that would evoke the merging of two world powers to represent the coming together of some of the world nations under the corporations, Hence an English sounding name + a Japanese one and then the hints to the American military industrial complex presence in space and full out appearance when Cameron takes over in Aliens. Ridley seems to like to convey the idea that all-powerful corporations will rule us and do terrible things in the future. Heck people already think it's happening right now. Perhaps this is the jumping off point from which all the other expanded stuff is derived. I still see it as a joke because he based it on the real name of something British and combined it with a Japanese name and they had to change the first part 'cause it was something really from Great Britain. So two of the worlds most powerful kingdoms coming together, or two huge corporations coming together. Regardless I think it is supposed to mirror the creator's and Ridley's fear about multinationals taking over even back in the 1970's. Part of why we get hints that the company's evil but it's usually only from Ripley's perspective (she's the only one who sees who they truly serve and repeatedly accuses them of trying to acquire it for weapons). It's supposed to be like a heartless multinational corporation, not adhering to the same laws in every country, and then in space there are no laws. Only the competitors and shares to keep the whole machine going. It's all there with the Japanese bringing the advanced spacecrafts to the table. Of course that's just my opinion, like I said all the stuff about the multinationals ruling Earth at one point could just spring from that.

An idea that was continued in Firefly/Serenity, the meeting of east and west, or as Muse put it the United States of Eurasia.

Not surprising considering this is a prequel and not a sequel. From what Fox said, if Prometheus is a success they will most likely expand further and make a series and then maybe in later films we as an audience will discover how the unity of Weyland and Yutani began.

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I can't wait to watch the trailer..

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I can't wait! Been a huge Alien fan for years and I'm so pumped this!

Be interesting to see if they've cleaned up the grammatical errors and added anything new from the leaked version *whoop-whoop!*