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That would make a fine chest burster.
The pillbug would have been cool, along with more details on the evolution of the xenomorph, but alas, 'Alien: Covenant' happened.
It's a bird...
It's a plane? No it's a flying xenomorph.
perhaps to keep up appearances.
Granted they are all asleep on Covenant and WY are aware. But perhaps only top level execs. Mission needs to be "on course" in the boardroom
In A:OotS they already introduced another old race, said to be "gone" but not extinct. Equally, if not even more advanced than the Engineers.
From the look of it (later novels) they manipulate other unaware (lesser) races to do their bidding while staying in the shadows. Wich makes them a mysterious, unseen and lurking threat.
I'd love to see them involved in future movies.
dk - I love those decades! Some of the cheesy sci-fi movies are my favs as well - because of the thing you mention.
The only thing I wonder about is what would compel a character to throw the thing...
I like the 3rd one best- it has the strongest Giger influence imo.
Great find Ati!
I too would love to see a higher race. a god though.
not another link in the chain.
The Elders in the white ship serve a higher power. i choose to believe that. That higher powe has been around since the dawn of time. It has a worker / creation and it is the Bird Faved creatures from the mural in Prometheus. The one in a submissive position. Now this creature had a hand in creating the first egg. Also the same blood runs through the veins of this creature as the higher power. This is the pure untouched Black Pathogen.
"Take this this is the blood of our lord...." - Original opening to Prometheus
The proto facehugger is disgustingly beautiful.
The last 2 armless aliens with long legs kinda reminded me of one of Giger's paintings.
Interesting stuff.
@joylitt - That is hilarious!! Maybe Walter catches up with David & rightfully returns David's flute to where Walter thinks it belongs? HAHA!!
Engineer hierarchy chart, something I created out of boredom, based on the xenomorph evolution chart. Tried to decorate it and most of the stuff I made up.
FULL 8886×4820 RESOLUTION HERE
@PunishedEngineer - I can honestly say after seeing the Cathedral image many, many times that I have not even noticed the images you mention until now! OH my, the cloaked Engineer on the left looks like the Virgin Mary holding a baby? Both sides really resemble the work of Michelangelo? Once again, I am compelled to reference the Roman Empire as the Earthly counterpart? Great find!!
@Thoughts_Dreams - I like the idea of an Alpha race above the Engineers. The Engineers of Plant 4 do appear to me to be a worshiping-class, so who do they worship? Why were they cheering the arrival of a Juggernaught? An Alpha, or 'superior' race, seems be the most logical reason? As always, I am ready for more movies to expound upon the Engineers & their lore!
I don't go to the movie theater that often anyways so it will be between AC and Star Wars 8.
I like the second one the best, eventually because it doesn't have David in it.
They don't need to feature him in everything that is related to the movie.
@Ati - Oh my goodness that is nasty!!! I love it!!!
I like that part of the book, it is well-written. Maybe I shall buy it.
She was OK in the movie but as with other characters we didn't get to know much about her. The characters were not as annoying in AC compared to Prometheus IMO.
Joylitt: It is nice to see that we agree about this (that it is important to get the Engineers right but what that means can really be discussed).
Michelle J: I haven't listened to the commentaries to Prometheus, I am too much of a casual fan to do that. Never the less it seems that it is an interesting way to move forward with this. As AC showed a Xeno and related monsters are not enough to make a good movie. My complaints about AC is a bit here and there on this forum so I won't repeat them here, or at least try to avoid that. Hopefully this reply will be a bit more constructive than it becomes when I discuss with someone that I very much disagree with.
I would like to see the Engineers creating things that they try to use to conquer other worlds but that turn on them. This would be a lot more interesting than to see David's connection to the Xeno because:
1) AC made David less interesting, I like that he was more ambiguous in Prometheus
2) The SJ looks more like an Engineer and since there were alien eggs on the derelict it seems to me that the SJ and the Engineers are related and that both of them have ties to the Xeno.
The Engineers should be menacing as F (sorry about the swearing, that is just the way that I talk) and we should also get some explanations of why they do as they do something that Prometheus was lacking or at least the answers were too vague and could have been done better. I don't mind the Engineers as an idea but it lacked things in Prometheus, that is what I am trying to say. As you probably know I have issues with Shaw as a character in Prometheus. I wish that they would have done a better character and let that one survive so that one would be in AC that we could follow but it is what it is. Daniels wasn't disaster of a character but she could have been done better but at least she wasn't as annoying as Shaw. Maybe Daniels will die, I am judging from what we saw at the end of AC. If they will get rid of Daniels they got to make a lead character that is better than her and Shaw someone that isn't as anonymous, that has clearer character traits and that is somewhat likable. This doesn't mean that we got to be given a Ripley clone, just someone that is likable and that feels like a human and not a archetype.
I wold like the Xenomorphs or Xeno DNA being closer linked to the Engineers and not David. I am fine with the explanation that David created is own version of the Xenomorph by using tools and DNA from the Engineers but I refuse to accept that David created the original monster.
MonsterZero: Getting the Engineers right is important but they also need better human characters. I like your idea that they get back and see their city in ruins. This could be interesting if they get it right. Just imagine an army of pissed off Engineers out for revenge!
Lawrence of Arabia:
“I think you misunderstand what these prequels are about. You don't have to agree but it's still a fact. Prometheus was David's film with Shaw as a co-lead like Daniels is with Covenant.”
That is crap if so and if so they got to change direction. Human characters are more important to me than AI. Nevertheless I feel that David got more attention in AC compared to Prometheus which was for the worse.
Hopefully this means that David just did a type of monster built on Engineer tech but that he wasn't involved in doing the original or the one that we see in Alien (1979).
Thanks Joylitt. They have done a lot of crap in the prequels and also in the AVP's and AR.
I would puke if it will be the case that David created the original Xeno.
Scott should stay away from the script. He has said some crap like David created the Xeno and the beast is cooked. Maybe he is a good director/visualist but he should stay away from the story writing.
Much of what is being said in this video makes a lot of sense.
Hopefully the Engineers will be back in the next movies more menacing compared to Prometheus and Alien Covenant. I wold much rater have well done Engineers than an AI story and no it isn't too late to save this mess that it is currently in.
Ingeniero: OK, that makes sense
Lawrence of Arabia: It is better to wait until we see how the movie is. To feel something about something that will happen in the future isn't very helpful because we won't know until we see the movie. Since both AC and Prometheus were subpar IMO I will continue to be very skeptical about it.
I hope that they won't F it up like they did with AC and Prometheus.
Big Dave: I wouldn't mind if they switch focus to something else than David. He is over-done at this point. The Engineers could be interesting but I don't want another Covenant (a movie focused on David). A new movie should focus on likable human characters, less on AI.
Egg-morphing seems more interesting than a queen, at least if you ask me. They have had a queen in many Alien movies now.
A Ripley connected movie would not be interesting but it isn't very good at this point either.
What worries me is that we will get another AI-focused movie. Now the damage is done but they can at least try to reduce it. Some people might like the focus on David, I don't. Fassbender plays the role well but it should be about the human characters.
Prometheus was more balanced in that aspect and David wasn't as evil as in Alien Covenant. Alien Covenant was good until it became the David show. They can keep him but put him more in the background compared to Alien Covenant to give more room for interesting human characters.
It should be more about the humans and they should be better done compared to AC and Prometheus. More character development sure and I also like that you mention the Engineers but they need to be made better compared to Prometheus. Before Alien Covenant I imagined an Engineer city with military stuff, religious ceremonies, and so on. The small things with the Engineers was actually interesting in AC so I hope that we will see more of that. Hopefully they will make the Engineers menacing and not like everyday people.
Keep the character development in the movie, not in clips on the Internet. This goes for the main characters so I hope that it won't do the same mistake as they did with AC. When you get more character development in a clip on the www compared to the movie you know something is very wrong.
Daniels and Tennessee could be kept in the movie but they need to be better written compared to AC. Maybe they could add some stuff to their personalities to make them more interesting. I am not sure how that would be done, I am not a script writer.
Getting the general audience to watch it is probably what is the most important when it comes to getting money to Fox so we will get another one. A lot of people that like the alien movies might watch it but they might not be that many compared to the numbers of potential moviegoers in general. I don't have an answer to how this will be done but it is something to think about.
Big Dave: I would have preferred if David wouldn't have had anything to do with the Xeno. I am happy that Shaw was handled the way she was. She wasn't as bad in the Crossing compared to Prometheus though.
The Engineers could be interesting but it is a bit disappointing that they are humanoid. I wish that they would have been more different, like space aliens or at least not as human like but that could change if they get them right in the next movie.
". . . but they can merely Change David as a Re-creator of the Xenomorph and have him Evolve something that actually ends up being less Xenomorph than evolving more Xenomorph."
I wouldn't mind that. They idea of the Xeno as a result of a mad android just makes me so disappointed. I agree with Joylitt when he says that they need to change the focus.
Joylitt: "Regarding the Engineers' culture, what if instead of leaving it shrouded in mystery you show it but making it so weird that is hard to comprehend..."
I think that it would make a lot of sense and it would also follow the idea of Giger in that it will be difficult to tell exactly what it is. We didn't know a lot about the SJ after we saw Alien or the Xeno for that matter.
So the flute is there but who will do the fingering? :D
Damn, that was a bad pun
Is it known that David brought black goo on board? Did I miss that in the movie? If no, then creating a queen won't be on the menu for the next film.
true, it could just be for the audience. what we need to remember is though the folk on here get right into all the additional material, not everyone who has seen the movie has read the novelisation or seen the extra material so to them AC finishes with just the david-walter switcheroo and are unaware of any contact with the company. the more its talked about on here and the more material that is released, the end message where david is logging as walter seems completely pointless
David doesn't make demands but he hijacked a Weyland-Yutani property, the ship and he is into negotiations. Not sure what he would want at this point from Weyland-Yutani. His creations would rule the galaxy if Weyland-Yutani does something ("if you do this...") not specified in the Advent video. Probably not accepting his olive branch in exchange for the 2000 colonists.
Just now it came to me: what if David's message as Walter at the end of the film is for the wider audience, for the media as part of a cover up by Weyland-Yutani? In this case David might have agreed with Weyland-Yutani on something. But it does not necessarily imply he was working for Weyland-Yutani since he was on LV-426. Just part of their fresh agreement, his olive branch.
Yeah you can trust m...hey!! I'm totally innocent lol
I thought shoe punishment applied when mentioning the Newb*bag of shoes hurled*orn. Ok ok sorry. Gawd.
don't get me wrong, I like the idea. it adds something and would tie in with the company as iv always wanted to see a bit more of the WY companies behind the scenes shenanigans and whether or not there is indeed a synthetic influence at the highest levels of the company. It just feels to me that narration in the olive branch message is complete and not edited. I believe david has catalogued everything with the intention of approaching the company but the first contact is after he has acquired the covenant.
I may be wrong but didn't the message seem a little off? he starts out by saying I offer you an olive branch, which seems to me like he is looking to work with the company and trade. but I don't remember him making any demands or any hint at what he is looking for in return, which one would probably do in this instance. yet david just basically tells the company, my creations will rule this galaxy. so hes saying I come to u to make peace but ur all going to die.... not much of an olive branch is it haha
Covenant is not just the name of the ship.
There has to be more.
Since seeing the transmissions sent in "Advent" they could of easily been sent not as one file, but several small files detailing progress, nuggets if you like. This shows Davids evidence for WY to see. If it was sent over years, perhaps WY sent back the mapping for Covenants flight path so David has assurities he is getting what he wants. WY plan on sending Colonial Marines incase of double cross and David has his own things going on. This would sit with RS quote of the 3 or 4 different players to visit the "planet"
Seems like it ticks most of the boxes to be plausible. even if not 100% correct. we are no where near that point yet but i think we on the right tracks guys !!
Thanks for the input its awesome !! ;);););) As always !!
red0guy If a flashback to Shaw is used in Awakening, perhaps the flashback can be used for the benefit of Daniels and her connection to David
Trust Neo...always focusing on the nether regions! :p
*looks for ma' shoe*
But is it not obvious from the fact that this xeno is less of a robot (without the tubes and such) that a synth will merge somehow with the "beast". The perfect candidate is David himself. Do we need to see this? No, because it is predictable and unoriginal.
So what he does to Daniels it is whatever.
