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I'd choose David. I'd be his best friend and maybe he wouldn't go madman lol That or we can rule this galaxy together :) Realistically I'd choose either Walter or Bishop.
cuponator3000 Nailed it. I also found his duhh humorous lol
having to go along using A.I which have no fail-safe button or code to suspend the A.I for a period. (as long as it takes to get a hammer) seems silly however they patched this over by presenting the fiction world which probably now A.I is indistinct from our own kind. A.I is everywhere and it is presented they have no need for such fail safe operations as they could not cause any threat.
Now David obviously feels emotion which perhaps causes distress. He was the butt of the joke when in the company of the employees. Now their is a fault or poor code which led to this. or Weyland knew what he ws doing and created as close to a soul as possible.
Now if you ask me, david over reacted. Creating or re creating the Xeno or any morph to unleash on humans for making him the butt of their jokes. Well David you are different and i a =m afraid that can mean target. Surely with all Davids knowledge and imprinted code he should be well equipped to deal with say a Vickers or Holloway.
It does not sit with me. he is this mad nazi looking A.I who was called a few names threw his dummy out and tried to destroy EVERYTHING.
Boring. just find it hard to accept. maybe Michelle Johnston or Big Dave could try and tell me in big words so my eyes open but i just think it is tterrible easoning
sounds interesting when it lands ...
EDIT: Now it is up. i am sorry but it is over my head i cant undertand what this is. BigDave? Kethol?
VivisectedEngineer, I'm a Michael Bishop fan too. We only got to see one of his creations in the later line of androids. I'm sorry I had to go there to make my point. I admit I should have been more sensitive.
Can't "blame" him, but once he goes awry, just as with any serial killer, we would have to stop him. Even though serial killers are "human", we recognize them as "abnormal" or "sick", so we must do the same with David8 as well.
The story in Alien Res is much more real, so I'll def go with that, although I'd skip the "baby Alien" BS...
How fox let them pull THAT ridiculousness, I'll never figure.
I would choose Aliens because of Bishop and Vasquez. Also Aliens had mostly witty one-liners mostley! ^^
@dk
Lol, I actually quote all the A L I E N movies, all the time - but not even the quotable lines.
Like, a few weeks ago my car got wrecked and my husband said the insurance company would probably declare it totaled.
So I said "Yeah. It could be re-worked, but it will never be top of the line again."
When I quote something that gives people pause because it's just too off topic or too much of a non sequitur, I simply say
"Just something from a film I like." :)
It was probably an automated defense that went up as soon as the pathogen was detected. It did seem to stop the urns, as they were solid and broke on it, but once the pathogen atomized into smaller particles, it just passed through.
Here is what Matt Hatton and Dane Hallett said about the shield on the AVP podcast when they were asked if there was anything in the script that they wished had made the final cut.
MATT - Dane, do you remember when there was the whole thing of the…
DANE - Quarantine. Oh yeah, the satellite.
MATT - Yeah, yeah. The quarantine sort of net over the planet.
DANE - yeah, I forgot that.
MATT - I think a touch of that is still in there, where he (David) drops the bombs and they seem to spread over an invisible sort of shield, but then they break through, and that sort of thing…There was this whole thing earlier on where they (Covenant crew) had to fix the satellite to try and take that thing down so that they could get through this electrical storm thing. It seems like there are just parts of that now.
DANE - Just in case anyone didn't know what that was, in the script originally there was… the Engineers had created this satellite that would protect any foreign bodies coming in or out of the planet. That's what was preventing all of the transmissions from getting through and that's also what stopped David from getting out clear SOS's, or whatever it was.
A Joker Xeno :D Since they tend to take traits from their host: I wonder how it was able to defeat him and if it took a long time being that the Joker is crazy and unpredictable.
I'm glad you said it, dk! I got a kick out of Scott's, "DUH!" For me though it just kind of cemented my feelinfs about that twist. From the first time I saw Covenant in the theater, I was one of many (if not all) whho saw it coming, but I liked it because they milked it for sooo long. Daniels fixing him up was tense and then when he was assisting with the Xenomorph on the ship he started the sequence out with an almost smirk (was it a smaile? Was it not??). Through the rest of it he showed too much emotion to be Walter, but they kept holding onto the true reveal. Then they literally made my skin crawl when David flips the evil switch and Daniels has to go to sleep with that fact. Absolutely WILD way to end her journey in the film.
Short (and coherent) version: The twist was obvious, but it worked because of how long they milked it.
Noooo! :,-( Of all the dismembered synthetics pics you could have chosen, you had to go with mortally-wounded-Bishop. -_- My one weakness. *Cries*
It's definitely not that easy to blame David for the path he has chosen. Although I do blame him because I think even he should have known (at a some point) that his quest is completely unethical.
That's one reason why he is the villain! I think the other reason is that he is what he is. A synthetic person that has become free and was given everything he needs to just destroy humanity. It is a little bit cliche even, but creating a highly functioning creature such as David (all of them) or any other android is f&%$ed up! He was basically born into slavery (he had no real option of escape until the Prometheus mission) and similiar to one of the replicant's issues in Bladerunner, he was constantly learning how to be human and just BE because he lacked the life experiences of adult humans. He knew from his first interraction with Weyland that humans suck, so it seems like everything he ever did was just, like, fuel to the fire.
This is hardly the first time we have seen AI go rogue in a film, but I think we are on the verge of androids being a thing. Like, first generation David type stuff. Human-looking androids as part of our lives on the daily. It's just that at this point in time, technology wise and with the social-political climate (and the actual climate!), David represents a possibly real issue. Maybe the androids we end up dealing with won't go the exact route David took haha, but yeah.
The joy I've found so far is that Pop Music video with xeno jumping wall to wall in the red ship corridor then joined by the dancing neomorph.
I read a theory that the habitants on the planet were another one of the engineers' creations. And they saw the engineers to be gods, as humans did when we were in our early days.
Why must we be all stupid if we did not like/hate Covenant? I liked Prometheus from day 1 and now after re-watching all Alien movies, it is the only one I would watch again.
But could they make a voyeur erotic - horror movie. Maybe we could see intimate scenes between Dallas and Ripley as a concept RS wanted in the first Alien. He seems keen on picking up old ideas.
@hox well said, hox. I love it too. It's a good way of measuring someone's intelligence, quite frankly.
VivisectedEngineer, that is another good answer (see correct answer above). It is tough out there for the synthetic.
The answer is capturing Sean Fifield's smile dk. I figured each of us were familiar with the character and his abrasive disposition.
I'll have to go back and look I Moon Girl. I believe he was smirking when burning in his helmet and later after the black goo treatment his lips were melted off and that gave the appearance of a smile.
Thank you both again for your analysis/time.
Here is the link to the deleted scene cited above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHat2vtcfzU
I know dk. I didn't catch the scene until years later and thought it was great. BigDave and Thombach reminded me of it in regards to Rafe Millburn in another topic related to neomorph types and Millburn's attempt to pet a neomorph-like creature.
I would make something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tPRPKfZwNM&t=12s
or this
Songs would be some of these ( I love god is an astronaut) :
God is an astronaut- when everything dies
God is an astronaut- from dust to beyond
Sorry I did not realize you just copy pasted the last link. You could have made it more clear. Hope that Alex Leadbeater (oh man, what is this name) won't mind.
red0guy@gmail.com, you know I'm not the one who wrote it? :)
No
One reason why AC was disappointing in a way was because of the focus on AI at the expense of humans. When I watched AC I realized how important it is to have human characters that we as an audience can see ourselves in. Don’t make the same mistake again.
This is not to say that we shall have a focus of 85% on humans but it must have a better balance than Alien Covenant gave us.
Thanks DK, interesting.
Combined with this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE_vNYyBwCI
I guess that it fits better with the Xeno Queen :D
This could be a David song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTTC_fD598A
dk "I like the mean spiritness- it goes against the grain and rubs people the wrong way and takes chances. That is likely why it falls short in box office and popcorn sales."
If this is what you really like "Morgan" is going to be right up your alley. It is directed by Ridley's son. Maybe you can catch on Netflix. It is basically David's story while growing up even though Morgan is a girl.
dk sorry for going off topic. Anyway, if our opinion were so irrelevant Alien and Aliens wouldn't be on the imdb top 250 since like forever. Aliens is #65 and Alien is #51. And they compete with every new movie. No other Alien movie made it there.
http://www.imdb.com/chart/top?ref_=tt_awd
red0guy@gmail.com I like the mean spiritness- it goes against the grain and rubs people the wrong way and takes chances. That is likely why it falls short in box office and popcorn sales. I really don't care about sales. I like movies like that. If they fizzle out of theaters and find a home in streaming services- I am totally on board with that.
joylitt You can dismiss the review I mentioned but know that I only cited it to highlight that the movies age well.
I agree with your sentiments on the movies- Aliens was my first and was a game changer- however, our stories are only anecdotal in this thread.
It looks like we got OT from the OP- but I am ok with it since the discussions are engaging and things have been respectful.
I no longer see where to take this thread. Seems it was about continuing the series through the eyes of synthetics.
For that to happen there must be a renew in the Sci fi genre as whole, or at least the script to be given to some who does not say it is a minor genre.
They want something to be more meaningful, Alien Covenant was the most mean spirited of the series and that was covering what I consider lack of imagination or spite (as a response for Prometheus). In the first Alien, almost die but finally the protagonist defeats the space "dickhead". In the second, 4 survive (I include Bishop as person). The third one was more bleak indeed, but Ripley killed herself for something meaningful, to prevent the evil corp. to obtain the Xeno queen. Well forth one is more comedy ....
Only in Covenant we have Xenomorphs created from the body parts of woman we love, victories that ultimately are meaningless and genocide. So no, this was not the tone of the series.
dk That was a totally bogus review. And I must disagree about the first two Aliens. Alien was so groundbreaking that even when relatives told me the story it totally fascinated me. Come on... the eeriness of it all, the surprises, the acid perforating the ship, so many things I could never forget... I went to see Aliens in the movie theater and it was like gangbusters. First sci-fi nominated for 7 Oscars. Never met anybody who didn't love that movie. Honestly, did you ever had a teenage classmate who told you "don't go see that movie because it sucks"?. A film that you can play to your dad and he would love it. The franchise is not in the same shape right now. We really need a break from all that is wrong about it asap.
red0guy@gmail.com That also brings up the question of weighing societal factors and personal responsibility. If David sees himself as more than human, he can't realistically pleed being a product of his creators when it is convenient.
I still think David, or at least Walter, will play a major part in the next movie. Like it or not, that is just my opinion.
David is supposed to be a disturbing character and I love that! Many casual viewers don't seem to like it and want happy endings, but Alien movies have never been that way. They might not command at the box office, but they age well and are looked on with fairly high regard. Remember that both Alien and Aliens were panned back in their day.
Someone posted a review of Aliens that looked almost identical to a typical review of AC. Go figure.
