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this is unlike anything iv ever heard of but i know he is 100% ! ! hear him out you will be glad you did! https://youtu.be/zkaREWRndHo also anyone with questions for this man is asked to leave them on youtube so they can become part of the new part-2 Q & A answering all questions on video. the title of this video is : ex-military man shares experience with highly advanced ORB - SPECIES aka UFO's
It's host was obviously a saiyan
I thought this should be brought up again.
I hope it is good
I think the xenomorph should have been held off until Prometheus 3 and that the Engineers should have made the xenomorphs. Not sure if I would out right replace the xenomorph since that would be like replacing Godzilla with a different kaiju
Xenotaris: Ya that's what I've heard too. My problem is how he dealt with that, by making the angry android its creator. Covenant could have done without the monster and just have the Neomorph and maybe other monsters too, but Fox messed up. He seems too stuck on the android tale, so that's why I'm worried if he would have a heavy influence in the next Alien-project.
I would definitely go with Ryan Gosling, for any role.
It rather makes you want! In fact it is the story of the "original" comics that they will transcribe in series ... if this is the case, it can be very nice.
A lot of Scotts ideas were hindered by 20th Century Fox and it was 20th Century Fox that forced a direct xenomorph connection into Prometheus 2/Alien Covenant
I'm not sure how I feel about this, while I'm happy more people will be able to play isolation, I'm not sure if it will be as good as the original and might sour peoples opinion of the original if they haven't played it
Wow happy to know it, definitely will try it out. This is still one of the best games I ever played ever.
Ya, not sure about the earth/setting but if they can pull it off then sure why not.
Raised By Wolves? No thanks
If they can make this better than the prequels then why not. We haven't had anything good for a long while in this franchise so if it can excel what we've had after Alien 3 then sure. To have Scott as a producer makes me worried since he might influence this a lot and in that case it might mean more android-crap compared to what what it would have been if he wouldn't have been involved. Hopefully someone can tell him no if he comes up with crappy ideas.
Exactly, I fear this plot line is going to muddy the waters of Prometheus and Alien: Covenant. We can only hope with Ridley on board as a producer that he can steer the storyline in a way to incorporate the elements and timelime of his prequels. Weyland had plenty of interest in exploring the Zeta Reticuli star system for years prior to Prometheus since funding the mission and building the ships would have taken some time to complete.
I hope this series explores more of that corporate angle and maybe what inspired Weyland to obsess over Aliens and Engineers. To neglect that fundamental aspect would be such a disservice to this franchise.
And yeah, Aliens was a suspense / action / horror flick but it's mostly known for its emphasis on action over the likes of Scott's original. But absolutely both are horror films.
hmmm, interesting still nothing beats the PC port
I personally think the series should have taken place after Alien 3 (2180s) if they wanted an earth setting but having set before Alien Covenant is a big mistake.
On a side note, isn't ALIENS already a horror movie, sure action horror but its still horror.
Basically that's what I gather... Not totally sure how I feel about it. I think the Earth setting is a mistake. But we'll see how it plays out. If it's anything like HBO's Raised by Wolves I wouldn't mind it!
So essentially ALIENS set on semi-futuristic Earth
I don't mind Xenos being on earth as long as its set after ALIENS/ALIEN 3
Well I already have xenomorphs as an engineer creation in AVPU that naturally evolves from its earlier forms millions of years ago. The evolution of the Queen caste in AVPU is the sign of the xenomorphs gaining independence from the Engineers. Of coarse this isn't in my fanfiction yet but in my creative notes on world anvil.
"To EVOLVE them where they then Speak to Each other... would be a Mistake they should RELY on a Telepathic Communication..... we dont need any JERRY'S LOL"
I already have the Xenomorph Queen and higher castes being telepathic.
Also Jerry is a not a real xenomorph, he is a robot that looks like a xenomorph similar to how you have talking teddy bears from the movie A.I.
So far in what is in my fanfiction as of now are early attempts of humanity trying to control the xenomorphs through genetic manipulation and cybernetic augmentations.
I think with the Xenomorph and its Evolution you are left with TWO ways to go.
1) A Natural Evolution, the Xenomorph could be a Species that has a RAPID kind of Evolution and Adaption, and so WHO KNOWS as to HOW FAR and FAST they could Evolve..... 8000+ Years ago Mankind was living in Caves with simple Stone Tools.... we had LIVED this way for 10's of Thousands of Years. before we Gradually Evolved through Various AGES until we saw a RAPID EVOLUTION as FAR as Technologically in the Last 200 Years.
But i am talking about Knowledge/Technology etc as Opposed to a Physical Evolution. So how we got from Stone Age to Space Age took a LONG TIME.. could the Xenomorph be able to Progress at a Faster Pace?
But then you can also look at Genetically/Physically as far as Evolution too.
A Human has NOT changed much over 10's of Thousands of Years..... we may Change so Little in Thousands of Years Time...... NATURALLY.
But i think if we saw Humans in 3000 Years we may look Very Different as i think we would EVOLVE ourselves in a Artificial Way..... which brings us too.
2) Artificial/Engineered Evolution.... the Xenomorph becomes Evolved via Experimentation and a HUBRIS in doing such a thing..... this KIND of Hubris is what we see with the Planet of the Apes Plot.....
The Plot to TIE in a Xenomorph to Synthetics/A.I is ONE that has Disappointed a Number of Fans... but it makes Sense..... if Synthetics become Sentient, then using the Xenomorph and Evolving it to become a KILLING MACHINE to USE on Humans make Sense... because the Xenomorph requires Humans as Hosts, so it would HAVE NO Interest in Harming a Synthetic unless they GET in the WAY.
There is a PROBLEM with Evolving the Xenomorph though....
While it may be Limited as it is.... i think you have to be CAREFUL as to HOW MUCH you go and Evolve them.
The Xenomorph has NO MORALS it just SURVIVES like a Insect, Spider etc it has the Instinct to Survive and Procreate..... a BASIC INSTINCT.
To EVOLVE them where they then Speak to Each other... would be a Mistake they should RELY on a Telepathic Communication..... we dont need any JERRY'S LOL
To have them Building Space Ships and the LIKE would maybe make them become just a Star-Ship Troopers with Xenomorphs... this could LOOK like the Warhammer Tyranids... but would this WORK?
Having them EVOLVE to ADAPT to their Environment and Methods of Procreation i think is DEFINITELY something we should Expect the Organism to be able to do.
I think when looking at BOTH KINDS of Evolution you have to ASK the Questions.
A) What is the Xenomorphs END GAME/AGENDA?
B) What would be the END GAME/AGENDA of anyone who wants to Experiment/Re-Engineer the Xenomorph?
Because the Answer to these SHOULD then FORM as to HOW the Xenomorph would/could Evolve.
"So they are pulling a lying creator trope? I certainly hope so!"
Not sure what you mean by that, what i was saying is that while Noah Hawley says the TV Show would be SET in the Not Too Distant Future... it Really Depends on WHAT he sees as NOT TOO DISTANT.
So we could Assume this is like within 50 Years but then it could be within 100 Years. I am going to Assume that its LIKELY to be set between 2040-2060, it does seem that it WILL be SET before ALIEN though.
And so YES we will be seeing Xenomorphs on the Rampage on Earth in PRIOR to when Ellen Ripley had ever Encountered One on the Nostromo.
I just think you have to be Careful, and HOPE that it would be in a Outpost in a Secluded Area that then gets NUKED with NO TRACE before we get to ALIEN and see a Cover-Up.
But Personally if it was down to me then Xenomorphs prior to Alien Covenant would be a NO NO! and Xenomorphs on Earth prior to say 2200 would be a NO NO! I would even NOT want to see them EVER get to Earth ideally if i am Honest.
I have lately been flip floping on how I should uplift the xenomorphs for my later chapters to the AVPU. Should I make them more Zerg/Tyrranid-like, have a control unit like Mass Effect's Reapers, a new hybrid species, or a combination of the two?
Should the xenomorphs in the end be more like a rogue machine needing an updated software or a growing alien threat?
I am not sure how I would evolve the species, it takes us into new territories where anything could happen. But the main thing if we evolved the xenomorph, what traits do we keep and traits do we take away and how would this effect them both in-universe and out-universe
damn realized I made some spelling errors
"We still KNOW so Little about the TV Series so all we can do is Speculate and maybe something the Comments by those who are GIVING US this TV Series could be taken out of Context or are Comments that are Throwing us OFF the Scent... for Example say if the NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE.. Ends up being say the Year 2150... on the Scale of Humanity that is the Very Close Future....."
So they are pulling a lying creator trope? I certainly hope so!
"To say something against woke stuff is usually a comment to not add anything controversial at all. If someone has something to say then let them do it. You can choose to not watch it."
I think some people misinterpret what WOKENESS is. I am all for pushing boundaries if they have actually meaning in this universes setting but to for example of "WOKE"
"I am female there for I am better than any male characters because all males are evil or cannot truly be as good as a female because women are perfect" is an example of wokeness.
"I am female but I am an equal to the male characters because were both humans beings with flaws" is not an example of wokeness.
I think we should have the vanilla-morphs appear every now and again along side the "new guys"
The Neomorph from Alien Covenant had its Origins from some of the UNUSED Concepts for the Earlier Prometheus Drafts (Alien: Engineers) there have been Various Concepts over the Years and some of these UNUSED ONES could be USED to Inspire and Create something NEW.....
As LONG as you can Trace some of the Xenomorph to it, even if its via Procreation then i think you could EXPLORE such as a ALIEN Movie.
You could even have something that PREDATES the Experiments on LV-223, something were it all came from.... THIS could be a ALIEN SPECIES, a USE of the Starbeast Concept by having a more Intelligent Ancestor that does-not have to be a Xenomorph Carbon Copy.... but something you can make a Connection with.
"so the franchise could still exist beyond the xenomorphs"
I think so YEAH..... a Point is that the Xenomorph is Iconic, but while you have Freedom in the Comics to make Various Adaptions and Alternatives, i think with the Theatrical or even TV Series its more Costly and you have to be Careful. So i was looking that ONCE we have seen the Xenomorph on Screen again say for another 2 Movies or say for like 25-30% of a TV Series.
Its then can you do more with them.... or can you LOOK at something Beyond them, but then thats the Catch 22 when you EXPLORE something Different would it get the Recognition without the Brand Name... and IF you use the ALIEN Prequel its about IF People would be ok with something thats Different?
But i think then you STILL have to have some Connective Tissue.... there has to be a Connection to ALIEN even if its LOOSE.. and that Connection has to come down to being Connected to LV-223 because this seems to be the PLACE where it all Began... Unless you Explore that it Began somewhere Else and LV-223 was where things had become Experimented/Evolved with.
As Thoughts_Dreams brings up... there is more in the Franchise....
But if you have a Movie (Especially) or a TV Series that was about the Weyland-Yutani Company, Synthetics.... that had NOTHING ALIEN about it.... by that i dont mean Xenomorphs... but say nothing that you could Trace any Connection to the Space Jockey or Xenomorph in.... then Fans may NOT feel this is a ALIEN MOVIE etc.
ALIEN is Expanded beyond the Xenomorph with Prometheus but so many have NOT seen HOW this Movie should and can Connect to ALIEN because it does-not have Xenomorphs....... The Queen is more Recognized as being ALIEN and Ripley and Colonial Marines than say the Engineers/Space Jockey.... which is Unfortunate.
The ALIEN Expanded Universe has Massive Potential.... beyond Ripley and Xenomorphs, the Problem is doing a Space Exploration or other Sci-Fi that Features the Weyland-Yutani Company or Synthetics etc... would LIKELY not be Accepted by some as being ALIEN or by having the ALIEN Prefix....
So the Problem you have is making such a STORY and NOT having the Prefix, can lead to People NOT being aware its in the same Universe or as much Marketing and Brand Recognition... but then WHEN you Market it too much as in the Universe of the ALIEN Franchise.... sometimes your Expected to have the ALIEN.
The same thing is Exploring the Engineers as FAR as other Worlds and Races FAR FAR AWAY and Deal with Conflict between them that DOES-NOT have any Xenomorphs or Similar.... again... for some THIS would NOT be Considered ALIEN, and while you can AIM for SPIN-OFF as Such its again the Recognition...
To get more Interest you have to Market it as being in the same Universe and when you do then you will be Expected to have the ALIEN.
For me i think that YES in either Case... a Engineers Spin Off or a Weyland-Yutani then for it to WORK you have to have a ALIEN at some Point.
But my Point would be that THIS so called ALIEN does-not have to be a Xenomorph but you have to have it connected.... as in its something that Pre-Existed the Xenomorph, or something that Evolved from the Xenomorph or another ALIEN that had came from the same Origins.
Something ALIEN or has Alien Origins that is Different... but NOT TOO DIFFERENT.
"You're right that the androids shouldn't be the focus because to me it isn't interesting as much as the human story is."
Can you imagine this Comment in 100-125 Years! When Robots will be wanting Human Rights... Joke ;)
I think that the A.I has its Place but should NOT be the Main Focus, i think having other stuff included that People may say is Giving into to Wokeness is also Fine as LONG as its does-not Distract from the Main Story.
For me then ALIEN has to Symbolize the ALIEN UNIVERSE that is out there, where Mankind has Ventured Forwards looking at the Rewards of the Galaxy the Fruit to Steal and Harvest..... while being Naive to the DANGER and HORROR that awaits those who Unsuspecting it and are NOT Prepared for it.
We also see its about Certain Humans who will go to ANY LENGTH and Extremes for Personal Gain, while they Manipulate and Use the more Common People.
This is something that i think the TV Series will be Covering to a Good Extent (that prior Paragraph). The Xenomorph will become PART of the Story as well MOST will see that anything ALIEN has to have a Xenomorph.... for me i would say as long as it has anything Connected to the Engineers in Context to any sinister Agenda and Horrors they Create then that to me Constitutes as ALIEN because the Xenomorph is merely a Extension/Evolution of what the Engineers had been doing.
We still KNOW so Little about the TV Series so all we can do is Speculate and maybe something the Comments by those who are GIVING US this TV Series could be taken out of Context or are Comments that are Throwing us OFF the Scent... for Example say if the NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE.. Ends up being say the Year 2150... on the Scale of Humanity that is the Very Close Future.....
If its more 2050 and will be SET ON EARTH... then i have Concerns.... unless its a Alternative Take/Reboot.
Oh wait nevermind, Invasion (1997) doesn't fit your description since the aliens release a viral infection to evolve the humans into hivemind aliens and not good old fashion mind control
I remember a movie that came out in the early 2000's where these people would get infected by tiny little aliens from these black rocks, Luke Perry was the main antagonist.
Well, could it be "Videodrome" (1983), a film of David Cronenberg? Here's the trailer.
This is non related, but i loved this show, "surface" 2005. It ONLY lasted One season.
Thanks for your reply! As previously mentioned, it does bear similarities to earth: final conflict, but I don’t think that’s it. The large mind control screen on the buildings and the alien ship atop one of the buildings doesn’t seem to align with the earth: final conflict plot.
“Will it ALWAYS be Expected that the ALIEN Franchise will have to Involve the Xenomorph?”
It depends on who you ask, if they associate it with the Xeno then yeah. Some people can accept new things which is fine while some people have a difficult time to find that to be OK. To me it's about people that get into situations that they are not prepared to handle.
Giger designed the Xeno but there are other monsters in it also that are not the Xeno which to me implies that there were already other things in the beginning and there was also the SJ that carried the monsters so he was a threat too. Since there were already other monsters in it since the beginning it's totally fine to add threats that are non-xeno things. Maybe some people will expect the Xeno to be in it, but I don't look at it like that.
Sure you can look at other things and expand it, for all that was wrong with Prometheus at least it tried something new. You had the Engineers, the Hammerpede, Deacon, the Squid, and Fifield although the theatrical movie had the crap version. You can cover the Company, the Engineers, introduce military things like they did in AR although it could be better executed.
You could have privately owned justice systems and what happens when corporations take over the law, you can expand on the Engineers, you can expand on WY, you can have competitors to WY and see how they try to get the Xeno as a weapon and try to profit from it, you can look at gender issues which has been there from day one. Androids could be expanded on even though they shouldn’t be what it’s about cyborgs could work (Alien mixed with Robocop). Environmental damage could be introduced, the black goo could be expanded on.
Get the story and characters right otherwise we’ll get something like the prequels, with good ideas but had bad to average execution. It doesn’t need to be about the Xeno but title it Alien: X, Alien: Y so people know that it has got the connection otherwise it will be vague like Prometheus.
“*Would a Movie/TV Series that is SET within the Universe/Franchise that does-not have the ALIEN Prefix, loose out on Interest due to lack of Brand Recognition?”
It shouldn't be a problem if they are clear in the marketing that it's tied to the Alien franchise and not the “is this an alien movie?” garbage. Star Wars never did that and not other well known franchises to my knowledge, but I can be mistaken. To me it could be interesting but I'm not sure how people in general would react and I don't want to speak for other people.
Hopefully there's a way to take the franchise forward, there is potential.
Xenotaris: To say something against woke stuff is usually a comment to not add anything controversial at all. If someone has something to say then let them do it. You can choose to not watch it.
Someone says something about treating women bad some people say “that's woke stuff, you can't have that”, someone says something about environmental damage some people are “that's woke stuff, you can't say that”, and so on. In the end it becomes like you can't say anything about important issues because it hurts someone's feelings and the art becomes meaningless.
I agree with you about having it if it fits the story and not put it there in the first place and then let the story come after that. You're right that the androids shouldn't be the focus because to me it isn't interesting as much as the human story is.
This sounds awfully like Earth's Final Conflict
Ah, I understand now, so the franchise could still exist beyond the xenomorphs. Well the Godzilla movies do have stand alones like Mothra and Rodan
HOWEVER......
I do think there is MORE to the Franchise than just Eggs, Face Huggers etc.
You have the Future of Human Space Exploration, Future Technology, A.I, Corporate Greed and Competition... you would have Rivalry and Competition for Resources in Space....... and YES you will also Eventually go and RUN into LIFE... In Context to the Weyland-Yutani Universe then the Xenomorph was SURELY NOT the Only other Life-Form in the Galaxy.
BUILDING BETTER WORLDS... was what the Company was doing more so than... GO GET US A XENOMORPH. But this was the PLOT for the Franchise (Obtain a Xenomorph). You could Expand the Franchise to Explore other STUFF, many Avenues for SCI-FI within the Universe of ALIEN... but you will have FANS who will EXPECT that anything within the Universe if ALIEN has to have XENOMORPHS and some even Ripley..
Its kind of a CURSE and CATCH 22 with the Franchise.... while you can Expand on other Stuff and have it SET in the same Universe you will by some Fans be Expected to Answer... WHERE IS THE XENOMORPH... and if you want more BRAND Recognition then having the ALIEN Prefix you would be Expected to have Xenomorphs.
While the Comics, Games and Novels have Expanded out the Franchise in Various and Alternative ways that REVOLVE around the Xenomorph. When we look at the Franchise as far as THEATRICALLY... we have.
A Distant Moon (LV-426) that has a Crashed Ship (Derelict) with a Cargo of Eggs (Xenomorph) that the Company wish to Obtain... they FAIL... and 57 Years latter they Discover Survivor Ripley, who informs them about what she Discovered... she is Informed that Humans have a Colony on LV-426 and have NEVER encountered anything like this.... the Colony are Informed and SEND out someone to Investigate and well this LEADS to the Outbreak/Fall of Hadleys Hope. This is DESTROYED at the End of ALIENS and so the 3rd Movie goes to Indicate that the ONLY source of Xenomorph is via Fury-161 with Special Attention to RIPLEY and the Queen that Gestates inside her.
After she Sacrifices herself.... its 200 Years before USM have Obtained a Specimen by Cloning Ripley... at the END of this Movie we are left to ASK... are all the Xenomorphs GONE?
This was NOT taking into Account the Prequels... and even so while it was left to ASSUME the Derelict/Eggs are GONE after ALIENS.... we cant RULE-OUT the Company has been to LV-426 prior to ALIENS..... although this would BEG the Question of WHY would you make a Colony on a World when you KNOW what is there.... but this can become a Conspiracy/Cover Up etc.
This is WHERE the Alien:Isolation Series takes us...... but we have NOT explored such in a Movie..... but again.... a Question i have ASKED a Number of Times is....... WAS THE DERELICT..... the ONLY such SHIP with that Cargo? so YES there were Avenues.... also you could have looked at the World the Xenomorph came from..... IF you are going to look at it as its OWN SPECIES.
HOWEVER....
What it was led to be was a Engineered Organism that First either came from the Engineers Experiments on LV-223 or as a Result/Evolution of their Pathogen and the Horrors it could Create.
But again as with Weyland-Yutani... the Xenomorph was ONLY a Small Part/Connection to the Engineers.... they also were more into the BUILDING BETTER WORLDS and Species....
The Engineers Plot had opened up the Franchise to a Massive Scale/Scope....would Exploring the Engineers and what other WORLDS they Build and Organisms they Create really CONSTITUTE the ALIEN: Prefix?
Prometheus had given us the Engineers Horrific Experiments, the Creation Tool/Pathogen that CAN/WAS used to Create Horrors that are Connected and Pre-Date the Xenomorph....
Does the Past Origins that Connect to the Xenomorph as in Monsters like the Deacon, Hammepedes, the Neomorphs and a WHOLE MANNER of other Horrors... would they NOT be worthy of being ALIEN?
What we END up with is the ALIEN is Actually NOT so Alien.... and WHAT is so ALIEN about it is the Pathogen that began the Process. The Tool that can be used to Hybridize Organisms... to Create a Engineered Monster...
There is PLENTY more BEYOND the Xenomorph within the Universe of ALIEN... but if you are going to USE the ALIEN Prefix then it has to be ALIEN and my Point i was making was CAN you have a ALIEN Movie/TV Series that does-not have Xenomorphs?
I think YES you can.... IF its Connected as FAR as what had BECOME the Xenomorph and so IF you Explore the Pathogens Origins, or other Horrors that it has Created, other Worlds infected by the Pathogen... were we see Monsters that are NOT the Xenomorph but you can make some Vague Connection...
For me ALIEN is Connected to the Space Jockey/Engineers..... so anything they Create that is Quite Alien Looking (None Humanoid) would Warrant being ALIEN.
But more so for me... it would be Anything that has a Genetic Origin/Link to the Xenomorph be that it PREDATES it or EVOLVES from it or Experiments on it would Warrant being a ALIEN Movie.
I think that Constitutes being ALIEN....
To me the Deacon, the Hammerpedes and Neomorph are JUST as ALIEN as the Xenomorph... but its a QUESTION of HOW MANY would only want to Explore something that has the Xenomorphs we have became USED to in the Movie Franchise....... HOW MUCH can you really go about with this?
Time will Tell with the TV Series.
And so ONCE you have shown the Xenomorph over and over and over... is there anything BEYOND the Xenomorph? I say YES... is there anything that some Fans would BE interested in.... thats the Difficult Question.
