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Nice! That is a pleasant surprise from China, especially considering how heavily censored it was there, from what I understand.

Another thing to consider before we start to get excited about many Engineers vs a Larger number of Xenomorphs... is Ridley Scotts comments about how the Beast was Cooked..

RS felt that Aliens, Alien R and never mind AVP movies really did downgrade the Xenomorph, and he referred to these movies as Shoot-em-ups... even ALIENS was viewed the same by RS.

This tells me RS was not a fan of seeing groups of Xenomorphs in large numbers (certainly than a few) hunting Humans and then getting Taken Out by Mercenaries and Marines etc.

I think AVP was not to bad... as it showed in Hand-to-Hand the Xenomorph was more than a Match for the Predator and that without any Weapons the Predators would be no match.

I think this is how the Xenomorphs should be shown as in close combat they are Deadly...

I just to think RS will want to show a movie where we have say 10-20 Xenos or more, vs 3-5 Engineers vs 20-30 Human Military as this is the kind of Shoot-em-up Flick that RS was not a fan of.

But RS has a habit of back tracking on things he has said he does not agree with... remember the Beast is Cooked... that then became i think we can do a Few more Rounds?

So who knows... and indeed it would be interesting to see our Engineers and what kinds of Defensive and Offensive capabilities they would have.

@BigDave

You make some good points. Well, do you think an Engineer vs. Xeno battle with the Engineer putting up a good fight and the Xeno ultimately winning would be a fun watch without damaging the Xeno's reputation too much?

Badass! :-) Thank you China! 

Its a very nice piece of ART for sure.

I think we need to be careful what we wish for... on Paper Engineers vs Aliens may sound interesting... but then so did Alien vs Predator and that Merger did well in Comics and Games but it never did to well on Screen... the first action wise we could have no complaints...  but this did lessen the Xenomorph to being just Fodder, and AVPR made them just like in ALIENS.

These movies seemed to down-play the threat of the Xenomorph and while Alien and Alien 3 the creature was up against a untrained and unarmed group of individuals... ALIENS , Alien R and the AVP Movies just made them no more than Star Ship Troopers Bugs.

So i think the Alien Franchise in General Pulled in Fans who liked the Iconic Aliens, but then also in general a lot like Ripley and the Marines....  I feel while fans liked the ALIEN Xenomorph in all its Guises.... it had lost its Fear Factor a little bit.

And i just think a Movie where Engineers in Hand to Hand Combat are beating Xenomorphs with ease, will in effect damage the Xenomorph Reputation a bit more... even though in Hand-to-Hand combat the Prometheus as shown and Comics 8ft Engineers would be a match and more so for a Predator.

I would not like to see them being able to take on Xenomorphs with ease, not in Hand-to-Hand Combat...

Unless we see 12-15ft Engineers armed with some kind of Hand-to-Hand Weapon.

I think a BIG QUESTION is what do the Engineers know of the Xenomorph and related creations from the Black Goo? If they are aware this stuff can create a Organism that is about 25% Larger than its Hosts and has Acid Blood you can assume the Engineers would have some long-range weaponry to deal with such a Threat. 

Unless we are shown/led to that the Space Jockey Suit and Pressure Suits are Acid and Sharp Claw Resistant... yet not Chest Buster Proof...

So i think a lot of thought would need to be taken into consideration to make sure its done right.

@Theghost
1.You'll get a variety of theories and perspectives on this since it has yet to be properly explained but from what I've learned from various commentaries, featurettes, and the recent A:C novel is that the Engineers did in fact make a Xenomorph-like life form but not the one that we know from the Ripley saga. Remember The Deacon at the end of Prometheus? That was the Engineer creation and the precursor/ancestor to the Xenomorph as we know it. That's what you see on the mural. David simply reverse engineered what the Engineers have done and perfected it to make the Xeno.

2.Ridley states in various interviews that Planet 4 (where David dropped the black goo) is indeed Paradise. The reason as to why the Engineers look so different has yet to be explained but then again we do not know a lot about the Engineers atm or their culture aside from the fact that they are the "Gardeners of Space". Ridley said that Planet 4 was a sacred place to the Engineers and ultimately will incur their wrath as we will see in Alien:Awakening.

And the crashed Scorpion Mothership can be seen in the background in the first still as well... :)

@Blackwinter-witch

That's what makes your works a joy to read :)

Arguably, given that AC took the story further 'downstream' and away from the Engineer thread it hasn't precluded a future film going 'upstream' from Prometheus and answering some of the questions it posed. RS was right in 2012 to say that the Xeno alone became boring. With AC it's clear that Fox lost their nerve and turned inward to perceived safety, telling a story that was frankly easier to tell. It's always easier to retreat to one's base, the Xeno' in this case, but not always fruitful in the medium to long term; Fox need to have the courage to go full Giger in a true nightmare environment (think Scorn) and while they're at it elaborate on the green crystal, mural, Deacon origin, Engineer's creator/god etc. Would also be perfectly acceptable to have a 10-minute engineer/queen Xeno showdown, and by that, I mean one hell of a serious disagreement (!!) to throw some red meat to fans of the Monster and tie it all together... 

It's not over until it's over and perhaps we should all remain hopeful that Prometheus and conventional franchise fans alike may be satisfied in the fullness of time.

VivisectedEngineer Yes, I know...

Sorry can someone illuminate me?

1. Wasn't the xenomorph created by the Engineer long before David experiments ? I remember wall art rappresenting it in Prometheus..

2. Why people keep saying that the planet where David dropped the black goo was Paradise if those humanoid were clearly not the Engineers seen in Prometheus?

thnaks for your help   

@ VivisectedEngineer

At the time of my first viewing it was just on a VHS from blockbuster, so I never saw that scene, Dallas just never came back and I eventually realized Ripley kind of took over since his disappearance, and he probably just got killed as it cut away.

@joylitt

I have to admit, I feel a little bad for those Weyland-Yutani agents. I mean, who among us hasn't at some point, found themselves haplessly in the employ of a gigantic evil corporation? Lol.

This fan art is amazing.

Man, this would be such a cool scene to watch. Fights between entities with super-human strength are always awesome (it made the David-Walter fight pretty cool to watch).

@Chris I really like your idea of the Engineers as peacekeepers. Does that make humanity a troublesome batch of their seeded offspring who have lost their way?

@Godzilla: King of the Monsters

Thank you so much, that really means a lot to me! Honestly, I was not going to write another AC fan-fic until what you said to me before! So, if you enjoyed this story you have yourself to thank! Thank you so much for the encouragement, very honestly I wouldn't have written this otherwise.

I'm really looking forward to your next story, and finding out what happens with Johnson! :D

I'm loving how we have such a variety for first time viewing experiences!

@Lawrence of Arabia

LOL @ being grossed out by milk after the Bishop incident!

"Nobody Listens to Ripley" and "David Touches Things" are hilariously apt descriptions.

@Godzilla: King of the Monsters

"scene that stood out for me was from Aliens when Ripley and Newt were trapped in the room with the facehugger crawling around and trying to get them."

I love those types of scenes, very suspenseful. I love poor little Newt.

@Im Durp

How did you react to the "Kill...me..." scene??

Great concept art. The Engineer-looking creatures being eradicated on Alien Covenant was such an undignified end so I'd definitely like to to see the true Engineers return with a vengeance and bring judgment upon David. I'd like to see the return of giger-esque Engineers like the Prometheus one but even bigger in size, like the Space Jockey.

 @Chris

That makes a lot of sense. There is still a lot we don't know about the Engineers and their culture and I would not be surprised by that outcome. David has definitely offset the natural balance considering he isn't natural himself and now with his bio weapons in tow he's definitely a danger to life as we know it. I feel the ending to whatever happens will be dark because the Engineers never make an appearance during the original films.

It would be crazy to see the Fallen Angels coming back into the fold to face off against David and his creations(err recreations, whatever floats your boat). Like, it would be sort of a redemption aspect to the Engineers story. So far, from what I understand, they took the black goo and messed around, decided to exterminate some civilizations/create their own, and ended up aying for it big time. It would be even cooler to see the Engineers that possibly come to invesitigate and then find David, die at the hands of an army of demons created by, really at this point, the Devil himself. 

If we were to get a huge battle scene, I could imagine it being a great sequence with Daniels, and whoever else may be with her, running around trying to execute a plan to kill David when he isnt paying attention during a Engineer v. Xeno battle. Could be part of a great final act for the upcoming film. 

VivisectedEngineer Thank you! yeah, those Weyland-Yutani agents can expect a rude awakening! Desperate times call for desperate measures.

It certainly adds a unique twist to our perception of the Engineers. Perhaps they are keepers of the peace for our Universe? Yes, they eradicate troublesome batches of their seeded offspring if they lose their way, but it's seeming more and more like they really aren't the bad guys. Covenant has shown that David is indeed the antagonist and the true villain. He has crossed a barrier and now threatens the wellbeing of the known Universe and its overseers (the Engineers).

I'm leaning a lot towards the idea that the Engineers are responsible for keeping life in balance and now that David has offset that balance, they will need to aggresively act against it.

Would absolutely make for an awesome visual as well. Even having it set in close quarters, claustrophobic scenarios. These Engineers would deal some serious damage.

I hope we see something to this effect in Alien: Awakening, that would be badass to see the Engineers go toe to toe with David's Xenomorphs. Especially with sword in hand lol

I remember thinking Dallas was the main character and expecting him to pop back up at some point after his "death".

Epic. Would make a great cover for a comic.

The reason the engineer easily killed the xeno in Jon Spaiht's script is because the engineers in it were described as a 15 foot beings as compared to 7 foot xenos.

The engineers in the final film were reduced to 9-10ft, despite there being 7ft actors on the set. And in dark horse comics one engy killed like tons of xenos with his bare hands before taking on the predator.

If there is ever going to be an Engineer vs xenomorph scene in future films, I'd see it.

Thanks for sharing it.

Thank you very much.

To me it looks like the face of the elder, like the ones from the hall of heads inside the engineer citadel.

Who knows.

( Ridley Scott the heroic son of course )

It's going to be 36 pages Jonesy!

Buried head of a Deacon?!

It's quite clearly not that. It's emerald green and transparent, crystal/glass-like. The Deacon is a blue/grey colour and not see-through. It's also the wrong shape to be a Deacon head.

My guess is that it is a power source/control for operating systems in the head room, either that or an ancient DNA sample of xeno/pathogen which is held in high regard by the Engineers.

I forgot to mention that the shape fused into the alter it is a mixture of Green (the hint of good life) and black (the hint of the Xeno Strain) which echoes the vial that David opens up which is green with black threads in it. 

Yes the beauty of Prometheus to me is you are not spoon fed and left many puzzles to consider and mull over. However what has happened with Covenant is many of those speculative avenues have been abandoned and yet ironically the core of the connection with Prometheus, the David/Elizabeth story and to a lesser extent the creation of the life cycle have not been lit with the kind of certainty that would have fulfilled us.

I also think the whats next could have been handled in a more exciting and compelling way. Imagine if in the last frame we returned to the desolate quiet of Paradise to look upon the cave, Walter and to see the return of an Engineer juggernaut that would really have set things up beautifully and set keyboards on fire - after all this is meant to an episodic connected trilogy .    

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I remember watching the Alien films when I was very little but I was too afraid to watch them thoroughly since my eyes were always closed lol I do remember when the Alien Queen tore Bishop in half and his insides were spilling every where and it made it hard for me to drink milk for quite a while :P

I recently decided to pick up the Anthology because I saw Covenant was coming out and I watched it with my brother and man did we find these films interesting and enjoyable. We would pick the film apart by noticing the practical effects and how silly things got. My brother and I dubbed the original 4 films "Nobody Listens to Ripley" and we've dubbed the prequel series "David Touches Things" lol I love this franchise, it's so compelling and sophisticated and the Xenomorph is a beautiful creature. Also watching people getting hacked to bits is always a laugh.

Thanks Michelle as always! This stuff almost flies over my head. I could see that as a head cause it's pointed at one end and curved on the side facing the deacon wall mural. Lots of heads everywhere so who knows I just wish they could have given us a cleaner look but......part of the appeal of Prometheus was the guessing. Not sure I even care to guess about Covenant but oh well. The search continues.....

The Engineers created the Deacon while David reverse engineered their process and perfected it with the Proto/Xenomorph.

BigDave
I don't believe The Deacons, Neomorphs, and Proto/Xenomorphs yet have the ability to reproduce which what I think David will perfect in Awakening with an Alien Queen.

Well, I don't know why, but he/it just didn't have acidic blood. It looks the same way with the Neomorph (I didn't see it's blood melting, whatsoever, through the floor of the room it was killed in on Planet 4. I agree that there are incosistencies, but I don't know if I would call this one an oversight. It is frustrating that we don't know the details of how this pathogen is affecting people/animals, as well as not knowing the rationale behind the decisions (since we aren't there at every meeting and build).

I do think that the people behind creating Fifield, the Neomorph, or in designing any other thing infected with the black pathogen, choose everything carefully and knowing what has come before. Now, this prequel series seems to be filled with evolving ideas from movie-to-movie, but yeah. Not an oversight, but something we just may never have an answer to, because Ridley doesn't seem worried about giving it out or letting others do so. 

Too bad that there's no bonus bluray disc...

The Deacon, otherwise known as the Ultramorph, is the first in a line of descendants that result in the Xenomorph being the most recent. Ridley says so himself in the commentary for Prometheus and in "The Furious Gods" as well this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq2Caq2O6DI&t=123s

The Deacon isn't just a result of human DNA (remember human DNA and Engineer DNA are the same as proven by Shaw). I believe the Deacon could have been an ancient species if not an Engineer creation.

Cool! ... I wonder if the engineers know who created them... 

Concerning the petrified egg in the laboratory (quotation). David to Oram:

"In case you are wondering, I had nothing to do with it. It lies as I found it, a supreme example of the engineers' skill. And also, I suppose, of their hubris. Would that I could create something so perfect in its function . . ."

There is nothing ambiguous about this, Michelle.

Wow! Good catch! Do you think it's a carving of someone who's considered historically important to the Engineers? Maybe a famous scientist?

Or maybe one of those...sacrifice Engineers, like the dude who sacrificed himself to seed life on Earth?? Maybe it's a statue of the guy who seeded life on Paradise!