Hope your Project comes along Nicely..............

I think with the Franchise then Certain things have Changed in Light of the Prequels that i think have NOT gone and Sat Well with many Fans.  There are Fans who are into the Expanded Universe as far as Comics and Novels and i think would have liked to have seen SIMILAR with ALIEN Movie Franchise.

I think there is Room to make a Movie Franchise that does-not have to Affect the Prequels or the Ripley Saga, because Regardless of WHO had Created the Xenomorph we just cant ASSUME the ONLY place there are Eggs is LV-426 and so maybe MORE than ONE of those Ships had Eggs on them and so we can ASK to where could other Ships had gone.  And to NOT go and Contradict the Franchise it would be better to Discover this like after 2180.

But of-course the Problem then comes down to how OLD those Eggs are without going to Conflict the Prequels.  As it would seem that the Xenomorph Aesthetic had began some Point between 2095-2105.

I Personally am NOT a Fan of Remaking a Movie within a Set Franchise, lets say Star Wars with EP8 the Last Jedi, they could have Rebooted that and Pleased some Fans but i think you have to Accept what is Done and TRY and Pull it back....this is WHY i would not be a Fan of say the ALIEN V ideas that would in Effect remove ALIEN 3/R from Canon.

But i would be OPEN to like a Complete Reboot as a Alternative take on the Universe and so then Fans can Enjoy each as a Separate take on the Franchise like say 1989-1997 Batman Franchise and the 2005-2012 Dark Knight Series.  As this is kind of what the Expanded Comic/Novel Universe does.

Just releasing some art sketches was a bad idea. Just too ambiguous. Idea seemed destined for a one off graphic novel...Something Dark Horse would have done.

Just tell the community what the idea was...We'll get the ball rolling for him.  

I screwed with Alien 3 in my AVPU but I don't focus on Ripley

If that means that no one will screw with Alien 3 then good. They should let Ripley rest and come up with something new. Both messing with Alien 3 (Blomkamp) and turning it into a boring android tale (Scott) is bad.

I have been devaloping a fanfiction that will eventually touch upon the Starbeast, Xenomorph origins, the rise of the engineers and yautja. Right now its just focusing on the bioweapon projects of Weyland Yutani and I borrowed heavily from the old alien expanded universe

"Disney admitted they didn't have a plan when they acquired Star Wars"

To be Fair.... i dont think it was that BAD... the Prequels were NOT that Great Either i do think that The Last Jedi was BAD... but then Phantom Menace was BAD too.... Rogue One was Good and the The Mandalorian too.

The Problem is the Pickle that the Prequels got us into Especially with Alien Covenant, do you IGNORE it, do you Reboot what it showed? (by doing something that could Contradict them).  The Biggest Concern for me is the TIME-LINE and HOW do they NOT have this Conflict or Contradict the WHOLE FRANCHISE?

"Unfortunately, he isn't very good at explaining what he means"

I think a LOT of people can Influence the Story, it seems RS would be more a YES MAN to a Degree just be Part of it.... I get the Impression that the Direction of Alien Covenant is something that HE was NOT a Fan of.  The Flip Side of that is he seems to think the Importance is NOT the Xenomorph, and so having him Involved could mean we see the Weyland Company and A.I being involved a LOT more than the Xenomorph, also be a Question of would there be any kind of Engineer Connection?

To me i am Concerned about the TIME-LINE as anything before 2120 could Mess with the Prequels, having Xenomorphs on Earth before say 2180 would Mess with ALIENS too.

It seems the Writers etc are going to Re-Invent the Alien Story to a Degree and RS is there to make sure that THIS does-not either Conflict his Movies or that it does-not go and STEER to FAR from what the Xenomorph of the Franchise was/is.

The Main Emphasis seems it will Cover the Major Corporations like maybe Weyland and go on to SHOW that they would DO whatever they NEED to Gain whatever they Want and will TAKE ADVANTAGE of People and Exploit those who are NOT WELL OFF who are looking for Opportunity but will be GETTING themselves into something they have NO IDEA about.

But the CORP will know Exactly what they are getting the Expendable People into.

It also seems that the Threat that A.I Poses will be a Part of the TV Show, as FAR as a Future Threat... but then Towards the END we will Uncover a more Dangerous and Ancient Threat.

We know and see SO LITTLE about the TV Series all we can make out is that we will see the Traditional Face Hugger, but the Xenomorph seems similar to Alien Covenant as in the Gestation Stage of it. (more like AC than Alien).  And that we will also come ACROSS a Engineer Ship/Complex that is somewhat Submerged.

This could be a Sunken Engineer Ship............... but then HOW is the Xenomorph similar to AC?    I HOPE we wont go the Route of..... TIME TRAVEL!

"Sounds like everyone skipped out on my sparefaring xenomorph idea"

LOL... i did kind of touch upon it....

I think it could become like Starship Troopers but thats NOT to say that it would not WORK or be Great..... some Fans will like that and well its NOT down to me to think what Fans will like or Dislike ;)

I think that YES you have to UPLIFT the Xenomorph and having them become as SUCH is a Possibility.....  The Problem comes with the Time-Line and also the PLOT of the Prequels....

If the Xenomorph had been shown to be Ancient then we can Wonder to WHAT KIND of a World would a Xenomorph Infested one become in Thousands of Years?

This is something the Prequels with AC has kind of KILLED OFF... Unless we are SET in say Thousands of Years...

A Alternative Reboot could Explore the Xenomorph as such!

OR................ you have to ASK as to WHERE did the Xenomorph DNA begin? If the Engineers had Experimented with DNA of something that Predated them and the Deacon then you can ask.. WHAT was THIS?

You Explore this ALIEN SPECIES... that are NOT the Xenomorph but we can see they are Connected.... we can BRING BACK the STARBEAST ;)

So you have a Aesthetically similar Beast... but a Space-faring one maybe?

How can Mankind ever Deal with this New Ancient Threat?     The Xenomorph Perhaps!

The Problem we have was that YES the Franchise was about the Xenomorph, it was about Ripley too but you could have other ALIEN MOVIES that were NOT about Ripley.  And so its a Good Point that having NO Xenomorphs would be like Jurassic Park with No Dinosaurs...

However with the Xenomorph its more like say having Jurassic Park without a T-Rex, as i agree with Ridley Scott in that there is ONLY so much Egg Opening, Face Hugging, Chest Busting then Snarling and Killing that a Xenomorph can do on Screen before it can get a bit Repetitive.  The Xenomorph is a ICONIC KILLING MACHINE..... but so are the TERMINATORS... in Fact i would say the Terminators can Offer more Variation.... but it comes down to HOW you Handle/Show them and HOW OFTEN.....

So you have to On-Screen go and Handle them with Care and Uplift or Evolve them and WHAT they are about.....  as otherwise you have Basically Space Ants and could END-UP with the Xenomorphs become a Less Varied kind of Space Bug like Starship Troopers... (A more Horrific/Enigmatic looking and Aesthetically Pleasing Space Bug though).

So you have to UPLIFT and Evolve them....

However the PLOT seemed to be that the Xenomorphs are merely a CREATION that was Engineered to KILL and WIPE OUT a Worlds Life-Forms.... and so ONCE you Explore/Explain this and you get the ORIGINS of the Xenomorph its then a Case of WHATS NEXT?

More Colonist/Space Truckers Stumble on a Cache of Eggs and are Overrun by ONE or a Few or Many of the Xenomorphs?   The Marines go in to Attempt to Clear it up and Rescue the Colonists?

Do you have a Egg or a Few brought ON/TO a Ship/Space Station and we see them get OUT OF CONTROL?

Do you go to a World that has been Overrun and Infested with the Xenomorph and its like a Giant Hive with Millions of Eggs... but then if the Xenomorph just Face Hugs, Chests Bursts and then KILLS its like How-many Movies can you Continue without the Risk of it becoming Starship Troopers?  

You could Even  go and Explore that the Xenomorph Evolves a bit and Creates its OWN very ALIEN Technology and Ships but this would be a Aesthetically better looking Version of Starship Troopers.... i am NOT saying this Cant Work...

When looking at the Franchise then Ridley Scott had FELT as to WHY it was that NO-ONE had Covered the Origins of the Xenomorph and WHAT the Space Jockey was doing with it.... and it BOILED down to being a Created/Engineered Bio-Weapon.

And so they came to Conclude that you had to Expand on the Space Jockey and that WHEN you have the ORIGINS of the Xenomorph and HOW it got on LV-426 it was then a CASE of WHAT NEXT?

They Felt you would have more ALIEN Movies that had been seen a LOT in all Media Forms.... and so they FELT you have more Background and Depth to Exploring the Engineers in a SPIN OFF that would STEER AWAY from ALIEN.

By then Deciding to Actually make a Prometheus Sequel go and Connect to ALIEN eventually and introduce the Xenomorph Origins was a Mistake!

THIS..... However does-not mean you could NOT go and Make other ALIEN Movies they could have done this and LEFT the Xenomorph Origins a Complete Mystery but WHEN you go to do another ALIEN MOVIE then you have to Include the Xenomorph but then you have to try and CHANGE it a BIT or Offer Different to what we already Seen as FAR as Humans Attempts to get the Specimen and then Fail and get Chest Busted and Killed over and over.

I think that whenever you PLACE the ALIEN: Prefix on anything you are going to be Expected to have the Xenomorph.... but that does-not mean you cant go and Evolve/Change it a Little....  But you have to be Careful you Need a Good Story and Writers and Execution...

The more you Go Over and Over a Franchise, you may make another ALIEN or ALIENS but you could get another AVPR or Alien Covenant.

Maybe by doing a COMPLETE REBOOT that can be seen as a Alternative Take like say the Dark Knight Batmen are compared to the 90's Movies or even any Newer Batman Franchise they make...

Maybe that could be a WAY to go.... so we have TWO Alternative Takes on the Xenomorph, rather than to make Sequels/Prequels and REBOOT Sequels and Prequels because then you can have a MESS like the Terminator Franchise.

Ultimately The Terminator and Terminator 2 were Great.... and maybe you just NEVER be able to Match them....(as Far as doing other Terminators)

I think the same thing has Happened with Alien/Aliens they maybe will NEVER be Matched by any Sequel or Prequel.

Disney admitted they didn't have a plan when they acquired Star Wars, their lack of respect of the property only worries me about the alien and predator series

Sounds like everyone skipped out on my sparefaring xenomorph idea

I think it Boils Down to how some Fans are NOT that Pleased with the Revelation of the Xenomorph and its Relationship to the Engineers/Space Jockey.

The CONNECTION is something that has Evolved!

*Originally you had a Native Species to a World that a ALIEN RACE (Space Jockey) had came Across and Attempted to take back to their Ship but they FELL Victim to the Starbeast/Xenomorph.

*This then Changed to the Xenomorph Eggs being a Weapon that the Space Jockey Race was going to USE in some War out their in the Galaxy.

It was OPEN to IF the Space Jockey merely Discovered these, Engineered something they Discovered or Created from Scratch.

But Ridley Scott had Cleared it up that they was a Engineered Organism by the Space Jockey.

*We then Continue with this with the Prequel Idea in which the Engineers/Space Jockey had Created Various Organisms like the Xenomorph to USE to Eradicate their Creations like Mankind.

*This then Evolved to the Engineers going to Experiment with their Creation Tool to Create Horrors they can then Drop Down to Mutate/Kill their Creations (Mankind).

*To then having a Android (David) use the Engineers Creation Tool and Created Horrors to Engineer his own Killing Machine the Xenomorph.

However in Context to a REBOOT then Disney could Explore anyway they WISH as FAR as the Xenomorphs Origins and Purpose.

Regarding the Image of the Female Engineer in Control of the Xenomorph i think the Engineers had Created similar, but it would Appear they COULD-NOT go and Control it and so the Alien Covenant Poster is LIKELY what became of those Foolish enough to Experiment/Create some Horrific Organism like the Xenomorph.

As long as he won't be able to affect the story, we'll be fine, but I worry that he's in it to save the David-wanking in the prequels. Sometimes it can be good if someone oversees it but if Scott will do it as an ego-thing to save the David-story it will be bad, it depends on why he's involved in it.

“or maybe it will IMPLY the Xenomorph as Ancient?"

I hope so, connected to something that could be evil, necessary to keep some balance in the universe, depending on how you look at it. At least try to keep the origins of it as something that started many (thousands? Millions?) years ago.

“Ridley Scott seemed to be more a FAN of the Engineers and their Creation Plot and about A.I in which David was a IMPORTANT Part of his Prequels.”

That's difficult to say, he changes his mind so often. First he seems interested in the Engineers, then it's David but has he shown more interest towards the Engineers again? He's flip-flopping a lot, so I'm not sure if I trust him when it comes to the alien-franchise.

There are so many possibilities of what could be, so they should let Scott talk a bit about it. Unfortunately, he isn't very good at explaining what he means. What I'm afraid of is that if he would be involved in another Alien-movie it would be the same kind of disappointment as the prequels have been this far with Scott throwing out crappy ideas. Disney can screw things up, just look at how Star Wars 7, 8, and 9 were. What I'm saying is that it's not only Scott that's making a mess at times. I'm more worried than happy about his involvement in this.

Setaverde:

I would like to see the Engineers eventually lose control over the Aliens so that would be their downfall. For this to work you need to show that they are able to control them also, which some of your pictures show.

That can make Sense.... as far as WHY they would Create us.

It depends on HOW DEEP you go with the Engineers Plot as far as them Needing any Weapons...  IF they are the FIRST MAIN Species of their Kind so other Worlds are Primitive and without their Interaction they do-not even get to the Level of say Ancient Rome....  then there would be NO THREATS.

And then even the Worlds you Visit you can KEEP a Curb on HOW FAR they would Advance, and so if these are allowed to get as Advanced as Ancient Rome then they POSE no THREAT.

Because with Worlds like this then you would ONLY need the Juggernauts to DROP down the Urns of Goo to RESET/EVOLVE or Destroy the Life on that World.

And so in this Context the Engineers Fate becomes a Consequence of their Naivety in which they would ASSUME if they Abandon a World of Creations then they would NEVER be able to Advance themselves to be a THREAT... and well they were VERY WRONG!

But this would LIMIT the Plot and well HOW you can Explore the Engineers, and at the Very Least you have to think they may have had Conflicts with Each-other at some Point in the Past and so i THINK they could have other more Military Ships.

The Juggernauts make NO SENSE as a Purely Military Ship unless its against Primitive Worlds.  They do HOWEVER make Perfect Sense as a Seeding Ship!

Especially if we look at HOW the Goo Worked in Prometheus and HOW it was Envisioned from Earlier Drafts/Concept.

You want to Evolve say the People of South America into Hybrid Human/Cats, then you USE the Sacrificial Goo on a Jaguar and Collect the Result into Urns and then you DROP a Few Urns on a Few Ancient Settlements in South America and those who are Infected would take on FELINE Traits and we have some Thundercats who would Appear from South America.

Want to Completely Reset the World then you MASS BOMBARD the World with the Sacrificial Goo and you RESET the World to like the Sacrificial Scene.

Want to take some Humans and other Creations from where they are to say LV-223 to First Experiment with WHAT you want to Evolve/Change them too, then this makes SENSE.  And so in Context to all that then the Juggernauts make Perfect Sense.

For them to be a Ship that is Created to Carry Eggs to Bomb Down, makes Little Sense, to Create Horrors on LV-223 to DESTROY a World makes Little Sense.

To have a Sub-Creation become Displeased at its Role, Jealous of its Creators and maybe their other Creations, to then have Bitterness and Hatred and want to CAUSE TERROR and Create something Horrific.... and USE the Existing Creation Technology to Create such Horrors....  That makes Sense!

so too look at that, and then look at the LV-223 Engineers and David to FIT that Role and thus be like Satan/Fallen Angels and have this Agenda to Corrupt/Taint and Destroy the Wonder of Creation then this Makes Sense.

“But what these had Shown is that IF any of them had been Given the Green Light then they would have Rebooted/Ignored some of the Franchise.”

Maybe they could re-do the prequels in a way? I hope that they could keep the Engineers and expand their role. They could have an interesting part in it. With good writing and an interesting story I guess that you could do something good.

About the concept work by Huante they were some attempts but not anything that I would like to see in a movie. There was an alien-gorilla, I mean really? We got some interesting takes on the Xeno but they should stay as fan-work.

Don't touch Alien 1, 2, and 3, they are good the way that they are. I guess that some people dislike Alien 3 but it seems to me that the probability of an alternative Alien 3 is more likely to be worse. Honestly I don't have any need to see another Ripley-movie, it's time to move on. Get new characters and someone that can write, and don't cut out parts just for a run-time.

Star Wars 1-9 were about the Skywalkers and I honestly have had enough of that, the same thing goes for Ripley. More of the same would be like them showing that they have run out of ideas, it's lazy.

A TV-series could work and could hopefully introduce new things even more things than we have seen in the prequels. Not interested in a re-boot, at least not of the original three.

I would like to see new things but they can expand on the Engineers because we haven't seen a lot of them.

I don't see why not both couldn't be a valid reproductive methods. The eggmorphing is used by the common caste of xenomorph to create a start-up hive before one of the strongest of the common xenomorph triggers a biological transformation into a xenomorph queen. They are after all the perfect organism

Heres an idea, what if the xenomorphs evolved the ability to produce bioships or implant themselves within a natural spacefaring organism like a spacewhale-esque creature?

They could look at that as a Possibility....

The Reality of it all comes from the Following.

*The Emphasis on the Engineers is that they are a Ancient Race of Creators (Genetic Space Gardeners) and their Interactions with Mankind are what leads to our Ancient Cultures and Mythos (Ancient Astronaut Theory).

*They decided Further tone down the HR Giger Aesthetic and having a City that looks more like Ancient Rome etc would FIT with the Ancient Astronaut Plot.

*Making the Sequel to Prometheus become something that will EVENTUALLY lead to ALIEN and be about the ORIGINS of the Xenomorph had meant that the Engineers World would have to be CLOSER to Earth for Plot Convenience.

A BIG PROBLEM when making a Sequel was always can you have a Movie about just Dr Shaw as the ONLY Human?   The Answer is likely NO! and so that means you have to have Humans from Earth come into Play!  

Just REALLY a Case of the Writers etc being Limited in their Ideas... because i say WHO is to say that Engineers only had Humans on Earth?

However regarding the Engineers it is UNLIKELY that they ONLY have Planet 4 as a kind of Base..... Planet 4 is likely a Colony that the Engineers use as Genetic Stock for Seeding Worlds.

Another Miss-Conception when looking a Paradise especially Biblical is that Paradise is NOT where the GODS or their Angels come from.  It is the Location of the Garden of Eden (Walled City) and thus where WE had came from.  And so if we came from THEM... then this Place is also where our Origins had come from.  When looking at the Sacrificial Scene in Prometheus... this could Actually had taken place on Planet 4.

"what happened to David and the 2000 colonists aboard the Covenant Ship? They can make a puzzling timeline"

I think it depends on WHEN the TV Series is SET, it was Indicated it would be SET on Earth and in the Near Future and to me this means before ALIEN in the Year 2122 and when they say the Not Too Distant Future to me that seems more like 25-50 Years.

I was Very Concerned with that Detail (if it is as such) because it would CONFLICT with the Franchise and Prequels.  Even as far as World Building, i dont think we would be TOO ADVANCED as far as Near the Technology we see in Alien Covenant in say the Year 2050, i would ASSUME that Weyland Industries would begin World Building and Mining mainly around say 2070 Mark (i just cant see before say 2050 that Humans would be Traveling like 10+ Light Years away).

so the Closer to Present Time Line (2021) then the likely-hood that the Adventure/Exploration and Discovery of a Xenomorph Threat would be CLOSER to Home than LV-426.... it even seems the THREAT would actually come down to seeing Xenomorphs get LOOSE on Earth.

And so it would NOT go and Connect to the Prequels if its SET before them, UNLESS we do introduce TIME-TRAVEL but i dont think that would be a Good Idea as well it can lead to MESS as Disney can then have a LAZY PLOT DEVICE to give us Constant Changes.

This is UNLESS the TV Series is Based on a Series of Time-Jumps...

EP1-2 Set in say 2025, EP 3-4 Set in say 2050, then EP5+ Jumps us to say 2125 but then having Xenomorphs known and on Earth before 2179 would Contradict the Movie ALIENS...

So for me any TV Show that will touch on the Xenomorph and on Earth before 2180 does not make SENSE and could be a RISK.

"May 14th, 2039 - Discovery of the planet Acheron LV-426 (Peter Weyland has 48 years old)"

Indeed however, i think with Alien Covenant they had Retconned some the History of Weyland Industries hence WHY that site was taken down.  But the ALIEN Franchise has more to it than Xenomorphs.... and so with Guy Pearce being 53 he could Play in Cameo a Peter Weyland aged between say 48-58 and so Indeed be SET say between 2040-2050, it depends on HOW MUCH the Series will be about the Xenomorph it seems the IDEA is the Xenomorph will return at a LATTER POINT and then WHEN does it appear in the Time-Line.

I think the Juggernaut is what it appears to be - a cargo ship. There is no reason to suppose there aren't Engineer warships, they just weren't present on LV-223 because humanity was so primitive 2000 years ago they weren't needed for whatever it was they were going to do with Earth, and the base has been nonfuctional since then. 

My guess about the Engineers and the humanoids they create is that since the Engineers are heavily into bio-engineering, they create species of guinea pigs who are similar enough to them that they can substitute for Engineers in experiments, but are reduced enough in intelligence relative to Engineers that they don't have the ability to catch up and become a potential threat. 

Personally, I find it very unlikely that the city is the Engineer capital. The probability that one cargo ship with no proper identification and a skeleton crew would be able to penetrate to the main docking station and dump the black goo without any action being taken to stop them is pretty low. Also, the city seems much too small and unsophisticated to be the capital of a grand interstellar civilization. 

My guess is that David had already conceived the idea of his experiments before he set course and deliberately chose the most backward, unimportant place in the greater Engineer area, someplace he could go to and dump the black goo with the lowest probability that the Engineers would notice and care enough to stop him. He then lied to Shaw and said he was taking them to the Engineer homeworld. 

I would love to see this ART in a live action show.

 The beautiful mural of Prometheus

Engineers, Xenomorphs and Facehuggers Orgy

The Deacon

The Neomorph

BigDave

I feel that if you remove any xenomorph DNA (since it would be blended perfectly with her human DNA) Ripley would be reduced to a puddle of goo.

Also, the xenomorph homeworld in the dark Horse comics, the xenomorphs were at the bottom of the food chain. The expanded universe also added a slowly development of technologies in handling the xenomorphs.

Yall need to read the comics, there is alot of interesting ideas floating around in there.

Also the xenomorph is the flagship creature of the franchise, it would be like replacing the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park with genetically engineered teenage shark men fighting crime in the streets. 

I think, besides the important return of the Xenomorph to a screen, they could respond to some questions of the prequel Alien Covenant, like, for instance, what happened to David and the 2000 colonists aboard the Covenant Ship? They can make a puzzling timeline, with flasbacks and...flashforwards. That would be great. If they want to make a traditional timeline, why not make time travel possible with engineer technology, but a time travel limited to a few decades or so. That would be insane. 

My story would be simple. The engineers kill David and all his colonist horror experiments, the company retrieves all the eggs left by David on Planet 4 and brings them back to earth (maybe we can watch again on screen the neomorphs). They start doing experiments on the eggs and something goes horribly wrong (they unleash the Xenomorphs, firstly in an Alien Resurrection style and then in the outside world). The company stablishes contact with the engineers and they make the company aware of the existence of a lost eggs cargo on LV-426 planet (and this is the connection to the ALIEN 1979 film). Yes, Engineers have in the past already created Xenomorphs, that are not creations from the get-go, because the black goo is the result of a process of re-engineered micro-organisms existent on innumerous planets visited by the gardeners of the Universe (it's like  improve or change something that already exists). The  company has a second shot to harness the BEAST.

Weyland-Yutani: Corporate Timeline:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLeF6EqulUI

May 14th, 2039 - Discovery of the planet Acheron LV-426 (Peter Weyland has 48 years old).

This is great news!

I'm now actually looking forward to this. Hope the music is good.

"..he thinks the Space Jockey was a Race who Happened to Collect the Eggs from the Xenomorphs Home-world."

I can see this. Space Jockey Race delivers food ( humanoids ) to the Xenomorph's homeworld. The brood soon produces a queen. SJ's claim the queen for payment.             Who knows what the SJ's need so many eggs or queens for?

It'd be a cool scene watching millions of humanoids released on planet Xeno!

Now...How long to produce a queen? How many victims does it take?

I pretty much enjoy anything with the Alien name slapped onto it so I'm sure I will love the TV series. Besides any Alien movie (good or bad) is better than no Alien movie.

"PRIOR to 2180's would DEFEAT the PURPOSE of RIPLEY'S STORY"

Absolutely.... i think with this Topic it was not Merely to talk about say the TV Series thats coming in 2023, but its to look at HOW would we FEEL if say DISNEY would Decide to REBOOT the Franchise for a Modern Audience.

"Post-Resurrection would be more or less ALIEN vs FIREFLY"

I think that looking before the Prequels... i think that a Sequel to Alien Resurrection could have been Possible and ALLOW for us to TRY something NEW as AR had showed some Potential... rather than just Vanilla Xenomorphs and Hives.  The Plot would seem to Indicate that surely there was NO-WHERE else to get a Xenomorph from.

I had 3 Ideas of were you could have GONE after AR, and so a ALIEN V and the One Idea would have covered the Failed Queen 7 and some Ripley 8 DNA being sent to a Research Outpost near Saturn.... introduce a New Xenomorph (well Two) that Procreate Differently.... this NEVER had to have Ripley in it.

The Second Idea was on Earth where they (Autons) USE the DNA of Ripley as she Dies to then Spawn a a Horror among other things.  Again NO Ripley required.

The 3rd was Similar to the 2nd but it would have Ripley 8 in it.  (there was TWO Alternative Versions of this IDEA which depended on HOW i would address the AGE of Miss Weaver).........

a) She Rapidly Changing to Less Human.

b) They Extract/Remove Xeno-DNA but she Rapidly Ages (shes Dying)

But i think a LOT of Fans prefer the Franchise to be about the Xenomorphs...they may see it as a "if it ant broke, dont fix it" but i agree with RS and there is ONLY so much Chest Bursting and Snarling you can do.

"build off of Cameron's vision"

Well he did have a Vision of HOW he would have done a ALIENS Sequel.

The Xenomorph Home-World...................and so it may looked like this that i knocked up.

Or maybe it would NOT have the Egg Silo.... because it seemed that James Cameron had Envisioned that the Xenomorph was a Ancient Species of its OWN and so it would seem that he thinks the Space Jockey was a Race who Happened to Collect the Eggs from the Xenomorphs Home-world.

The Problem with the Xenomorph as such would be the QUESTION.... so HOW LONG do they LIVE for?

Because Eventually they will DIE-OUT and so the Home-world would become Abandoned.... as they would NEED a Host.... but then anyone who Stumbles on a World that is Infested with Eggs would soon come to Release this WORLD is NOT yet TRULY DEAD (Void of Life)

However like i said.... I am sure Ridley Scott would want to PROTECT his Prequels and ALIEN.

Maybe the SHOW goes on to Begin in the NOT TO DISTANT FUTURE.... they had said it would Deal with Future Threat in A.I but then also a Ancient Threat would arise.

We will NOT be thrown into the Deep End with Xenomorphs it seems they will Gradually come into Play, and so we are on a Slower Build Up.... and so... MAYBE we have some Back Ground a Few Episodes that are SET in the NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE... then we Flash Forwards to a more Future Time?

And with Ridley Scott as Producer and likely would NOT want this to Conflict his Prequels then is the Scheduled 2023 Release Date a Coincidence?

Maybe we will get the TED TALK 2023 as the Opening Prologue?

Then we arrive at 20 or 25 Years Latter?

Guy Pearce in the ALIEN Time Line would be able to Play a Peter Weyland with no trying to make him LOOK any Younger or Older... and so he could Play Mr Weyland say like 2040-2050, this would be the Great Dawn of World Building and A.I within the Context to the Franchise.

Guy Pearce would likely NOT have a Busy Schedule, and he would NOT cost a KINGS RANSOM... and so he could make Various Cameo Appearances.

A Fassbender would be a Different Story but you could use UNUSED Footage, or Create a Look-a-like Doll so you Show a David being worked on.... but then we are taken to other Androids...

As well what are the Chances the David Technology only comes in David Likeness?

Thats NOT to say that any of this will Happen though....just with RS being Involved i would NOT go and RULE it out.

Well we know that Ridley Scott is VERY PROUD of his Prequels (seems he was NOT that Pleased with Alien Covenant as far as the Xenomorph) as just Prior to its Release he was like "they want Aliens, ill give them F£*£$ Aliens" but then after the Disappointment of Alien Covenant he had said that he FELT he was ahead of the Game with Prometheus.

This tells me he was Proud of the A.I Elements and Creation Elements, and it seemed he saw those and the Engineers and other things as more IMPORTANT than the Beast (Xenomorph) if you would.... but he had said about the Xenomorph that the Franchise was about HIM but you have to Evolve HIM and offer Different ways to Procreate.

The TV Series will likely touch upon other Aspects of ALIEN but it will Eventually come down to the Xenomorph, and so with Ridley Scott being VERY Involved you would have to think he would WANT to Protect some of the Ideas he had.

And so we have to WONDER if the TV Show would in NO-WAY go and Contradict his Prequels.....

We did here Noah say about the TV Show is based in the NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE!

That was always a Puzzle.... and Concern..... because well 2120 is NOT what i Call in the Not Too Distant Future, for me that Suggests like 25 Years, it would be SILLY to be LESS... as well HOW MUCH kind of Space Exploration is there going to be in 2030, 2040 etc.... so i assumed we would be set in 50 Years Time in the Year say 2072 maybe?  And so thats 50 Years before ALIEN.

But then its seems its going to have Xenomorphs getting LOOSE/OUT OF CONTROL and Right Here on Earth..... and so 50 Years before ALIEN?  Hey any Time before 2180 would Conflict the Franchise....

Great news. At least, a battle between neomorphs and a protomorph should had been in Alien Covenant. The neomorph is a magnificent creature and i hope we can see it again. I doubt it but we never know.

Great topic, @BigDave as usual.

Great news. At least, a battle between neomorphs and a protomorph should had been in Alien Covenant. The neomorph is a magnificent creature and i hope we can see it again. I doubt it, but we never know.

Great topic, @BigDave as usual.

Here's a good link with the interview of the FX Chairman John Landgraf.

https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/noah-hawley-alien-series-is-a-beast-more-tv-and-streaming-news/

“I think Noah’s very conscious of the fact that there’s a cinematic universe, if you will, and that while it has some flexibility that the aesthetic that was established by Ridley Scott and I think continued by James Cameron is a part of that universe. By the way, Scott Free and Ridley are involved in this, very involved in this as producers,” Landgraf said. “So while I think you’ll see some inventiveness and some originality that is uniquely Noah, I also think that this show will feel like a part of the cinematic universe that you’re familiar with in terms of Alien.”

“What I can say is that — maybe pun intended — it’s a beast, Alien. It’s a really big world-building exercise,” Landgraf said.

“We’re well into it. We’re actually moving apace. I have optimism, for example, that that show may well roll out in 2023; probably will roll out in 2023,” he continued. “But we want to get it right … you’re being given access to a really precious resource when you’re granted access to such an important piece of IP. And it’s not something FX does a lot of. So … there’s not another really key piece of Fox or Disney IP that we’re working on right now. There are other things like Shogun, which might be familiar to you. But all I can tell you is that, Noah feels this way, I feel this way, Ridley and his people feel this way: We’ve got to get this one right, and we’re going to take whatever time it takes to do that.”

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I would rather it be after ALIENS, since I want to see the alien universe how James Cameron would have envisioned it or at least build off of Cameron's vision.

Post-Resurrection would be more or less ALIEN vs FIREFLY

 Sorry Xenotaris, my vitriol wasn't directed at you! :-)  More to the sad state of the alien verse.

I too would rather the setting After Aliens...Or after A:R.

Oh boy, I sure Scott tries to keep the canon consistent with his prequels

Well I meant I HATED the idea of XENOMORPHS being on pre-ALIENS EARTH. 

I am fine with XENOMORPHS being on EARTH as long as its in the 2180 and up since at that point the Weyland-Yutani Corporation would already had THREE events (ALIEN, ALIENS, and ALIEN 3) get a good understanding HOW the Xenomorphs TICTS.

BEING set anywhere on EARTH, PRIOR to 2180's would DEFEAT the PURPOSE of RIPLEY'S STORY. I mean Ripley been a THORN in the Company's side since ALIEN, with her death would allow the Weyland Yutani Corporation free reign over getting a xenomorph

I think regarding Special Order 937 then the Big Sub-Plot of the Franchise was that the Company wanted to GET and FAIL to Obtain a Specimen. But the Closest they (USM) came was in Alien Resurrection but then THAT went to POT!

It was always Interesting to Ponder to WHAT the Company had Planned should they had been Successful and were able to Contain the Xenomorph!  And it does seem that this was to be Explored with Blomkamps Alien V and the Red Harvest Project.  There was some Interesting ways to MOVE FORWARDS... but i dont think you Needed to BRING BACK say Ripley etc and therefore you MESS with the Canon of other Movies.

Hill and Giler (R.I.P) gave us the Special Order 937 Plot.... and the Secret Android, and so the Company being Interested for their Bio-Weapons Division.  Why the Earlier Idea by them was that the Xenomorph was a Created Bio-Weapon by the Company and that the Nostromo was sent out to become a TEST SUBJECTS for their Weapon.  And while that had Never became Canon (Company Creates the Xenomomorph) the Aspect of that PLOT is something that still is VALID as in the Company sending Expendable Humans into Unknown Situation for them.. while the Company Fully knows what will FACE the Crew of said SHIP they send out.

This seems to be something that is a Basis for the New TV Series.

"It goes back to why I hate AVP so much"

Well we NEED to NOT go and Worry as that is just Alternative Canon ;)  But with DISNEY at the Helm, we cant RULE-OUT them making a Cross Over Connection again at Some Point.  (look at the Alternative Endings to The Predator)..... Time Travel and Cross-Over to ALIEN... NO Thanks!

But back to the OT..... be it a TV Series or Movie i do Suspect that DISNEY will go and Reboot the Franchise to give us a Alternative Story and Re-Introduce to us the Xenomorph for a New Generation.

I think they will also put the Emphasis on the Xenomorph... hence i made that POSTER for the Topic  (THE ALIEN) as this became what the Franchise was about after ALIEN because we NEVER went back to the Space Jockey which was also ALIEN.  There are Sub-Plots and Characters that i think you will have... and maybe we WONT see Ripley at all..... but it will be about the Xenomorph.

Maybe a Reboot will NOT go and Hurt if we see it as a Alternative Reality and Story like say many of the Video Games are..... that could maybe be BETTER than to just RETCON some of the Franchise with something ELSE as then it Interferes with the Canon that was Established.

"The story is just so convoluted. It begs for a tv series."

Certainly i think with a TV Series you can Flesh Out the Story Line more and NOT have to Suffer the FATE of Alien Covenant where they had too much to CRAM into the Run-Time so the Movie Pace seemed Rushed (after say the Oram/Egg Incident).  We have the Announced Alien TV Series which is supposed to begin Production and Shooting like Next Year, and i think the TV Series is Relevant to the TOPIC.

In that the Plot will Deal with a Future Threat (A.I) and a Ancient Threat (i assume the Xenomorph) and by being SET in a Time-Line that seems to be Considerably before the Prequels..... then this TV Series looks like it could RETCON the Origins of the Xenomorph and so Conflict and maybe Re-Write the Prequels from the HISTORY BOOKS.

"I absolutely HATE the idea of XENOMORPHS being on EARTH"

I think maybe this could WORK if this Happens at some Later Point in the Time-Line say 2200-2250 but you would have to come up with WHERE do they Obtain the Xenomorph from?  The Discovery of a Crashed/Sunk Engineer Ship on Earth could work..... but this would CONTRADICT the Prequels (but i think that THIS is what the TV Series will do).  But to have a Discovery on Earth that say Happens before the events of ALIEN etc i think would be a EPIC MISTAKE.

I also think the Interesting thing about the Prequels regarding the Black Goo and LV-223 is that it SHOWS that you DONT have to go back to having Vanilla-Morphs

If you Discover a Engineer Ship at the Bottom of the Sea and you EXPLORE it then you will Cause a Breach and Water gets on  the Ship and then WHAT IF the Black Goo leaks and Infects some Sea Life?

These are some Unused Concepts from a Prometheus Sequel (TOP) and from Prometheus, but also below are some Concepts that seem more Aquatic (but these dont seem too Awe Inspiring).

"Special order 937 makes sense if they had prior knowledge"

With the Prequels it is likely that Special Order 937 came about after the Advent Message that was sent by David.   Before we had the Prequels then it seems to make more Sense that Special Order 937 shows us the Company know Roughly what they was looking for, and so had some Prior Knowledge.