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Judging by this LEAKED CONCEPT for Alien Covenant 2 Awakening, looks like we would have FINALLY seen the SPACE JOCKEY and YES it was  SKELETON after all ;)

Certainly the Gestation Times are all over the Place in the Franchise, does that IMPACT the Size? Who knows?

As the Protomorph had a Rabid Gestation and seem to be Larger than the Xenomorph Warriors.  The Neomorph also had a Quick Gestation.

When it comes down to the Deacon it would appear this took DAYS.... i think we have to take into Account the Deacon we saw was from Dr Shaw's Fetus (Trilobite) which GREW Big Fast..... but this kind of Face Hugger is a HYBRID and has a LOT of Human DNA and maybe this Impacts the Gestation Time, or maybe when a Engineer is Infected  the Gestation Time is SLOWER.

The Pred-Alien Procreation with the Direct Embryo Implantation was also a VERY FAST Gestation Period.  I think what we have is that the GESTATION is just a PLOT Factor, and so each Movie the Producers/Directors come up with DIFFERENT Speeds to SUIT the PLOT/PACE of the Movie.

With the DRONE maybe it was the Way that Kane was taken Care of when he got back to the NOSTROMO and so in MED-BAY in some kind of Cryo-Assisted Rest/Capsule could account for the SLOWER Gestation?

You could Wonder if this is WHY we saw Sgt Lopes Gestation being Longer? Some could Argue that Orams was much Faster but we have to remember the MOVIE is NOT playing in Real Time....  When Lope gets Infected the £"$£% Hits the Fan and they Quickly attempt to make their Escape.  The Time from when Lope meets up with Daniels and they make their RUN FOR IT to get to the Lander to when they get to the SHIP may be Longer Screen Time.. but David could have been ALONE with Oram for Hours.

It would have been Interesting to see Ridley Scott complete his NEXT FEW Movies and see HOW he would have Explored the Procreation of the Protomorph i would GUESS that he MAY have gone for the EGG-MORPH. I think the Egg Morph makes GREAT SENSE if THIS is How you can Create a Queen.

Finally talking about the QUEEN we did have ALIEN 3 and we saw that the Queen had taken a LONGER TIME to Gestate and so maybe XENOMORPHS that have the ability to Procreate/Reproduce are the ONES that take LONGER to Gestate?

 Watching this again got me thinking that perhaps the reason for the '79 Drone (Big Chap) being larger than its Warrior cousins in '86 was due to gestation time. The Drones might gestate longer when a Queen is absent to ensure a more durable physique. When numbers are not on the Xenomorph's side. When a Queen is present however they can take advantage with numbers so the pheromones excreted by the Hive could speed up incubation for new Aliens waiting to burst. This would explain why the Aliens shown in a Queen-present setting are smaller and more slender than those born without the presence of a Queen.

This would also explain why the Deacon grew (in concept) to be as large as it did.

I still wish and pray someday we get to see what became of the Deacon on-screen but I don't think it will happen unfortunately.

Cool which rank am i

Certainly ;)

I think while the Decision with the Engineers Plot/Creators had opened up the Franchise, it had became a bit LESS ALIEN and Surreal.

Until i saw the Concept work by HR Giger in the late 90's i also saw that the Space Jockey was FUSED to their Chair, i was NOT sure it was a Skeleton but Certainly saw it as Bio-Mechanical like the Xenomorph itself.

The Derelict/Space Jockey seemed VERY ALIEN....

I think they could have Expanded back in History and FITTED with the Themes of Creator, Creation and Rebellion by Introducing the Engineers Creation or WHY they are Needed as Slaves to another Species....

Bring back the STARBEAST ;)

I think the Problem for me is that the CHANGE of a PLOT to make the Sequels to Prometheus become a Prequel that will EVENTUALLY arrive to the Derelict as far as WHEN/HOW/WHY.

And more so they FELT to HOW do you have a Sequel with ONLY a single HUMAN.... so they had the NEED to give us the Covenant Colony Mission and as we are 17-18 Years prior to ALIEN then this meant a LOT had to be Sacrificed as FAR as Screen Time to the Engineers, Dr Shaw and Ultimately the Xenomorph too.

Things had to be MOVED at a Fast Pace, where Character Development had Suffered and Accelerated Xenomorph Life-Cycle was Needed.

When you look at the PLOT A-Z of the Movie then i dont think its so BAD, the David Creator does make Sense when you look at the THEMES of Prometheus.... 

But the PLOT A-Z is something that when your FORCED to try and make it near 2 Hours instead of 3 Hours then you have to CUT CORNERS, and THROW AWAY some Stuff and you cant have Detailed/Lengthy Scenes to SLOW the Pace Down.

As soon as ROSEY when to Clean her Wounds.... and we saw the Neomorph then KILL her..

The Movie went into FAST FORWARDS MODE!

If they had it that ORAM did not Chest Burst, but awoken and could NOT remember what Happened and he was Dragged Out to be Rescued....  with the 2ND Neomorph being the ONE that would KILL Crew Member Cole.

And Oram would be shown to Chest Burst on the Covenant and we had a extra 30-40 Min Running Time then i think the Movie would have been Improved a Little.

 b) The Space Jockey build their Ships and they Created the Xenomorph using their Bio-Mechanical Technology/Ways.

Yes. It would be very interesting to explore. 

Before Prometheus, I imagined the Space Jockey world as a very disturbing place. Dark sky with clouds and endless rains. Huge, oppressive cities and buildings. Complicated interlacing of pipes and brutal mechanisms. The place where the buildings merged with life forms and even landscape.

In any case, I never thought about the Stone Age caves and fairy tale forest. xD

Local inhabitants could also be grown as machines. Most of them have no need to go somewhere or have leisure - they are machines for one work. Like a Space Jockey - just a pilot, who will forever merged with a chair and the ship.

Of course I did not think about ordinary humanoids. But if I thought, then definitely not that they would wear ordinary cloaks like in Lord of the Rings. xD

Aliens could be a form of bioweapon against another civilization or even byproduct / parasites / biomechanical mold of the Space Jockey's civilization.

Missed this Post...

Indeed the First Concepts for Alien Covenant are VERY like Dark Crystal.

I LOVED the Orrery we got in Prometheus, but seeing something like this in Alien Covenant would have been ACE.

THICC xenomorph

that is really cool art tho

I would have THOUGHT that a Xenomorph that came from KIM KARDASHIAN would have been a QUEEN ;)

Its a Nice Rendering but i am NOT sure i am a Fan of the THICK Xenomorph look.

But then i have always Wondered what i would look like had i been Face Hugged lol ;)

Nice to see a Bump on a OLD Topic....

Indeed the ALIEN V project was placed on Hold so that Ridley Scott could at LEAST begin his First Sequel to PROMETHEUS....  The Movie was NOT canceled but was placed on HOLD and RS was to be Producer and so i Suspect that some of the PLOT would be Changed...  Ridley Scott did say that you could introduce Ripley back as you could DE-AGE her so it seemed he was NOT against the making of a Alternative ALIENS Sequel.... he just DID-NOT want it to STEEL the THUNDER from his Prequels or AFFECT what he intends to SHOW.

However..... nearly a Year ago David Giler and Walter Hill did announce they have a ALIEN V Project in the Works, which seemed it would bring back RIPLEY by making some of the Franchise merely DREAMS...

But as the Months went by it became all SILENT on this Front, but then the COVID Pandemic would have Put many Plans in Hollywood on HOLD.

Then along came the Prequel Announcement, and i was Excited and i EXPECTED that the Prequels would show us that the Space Jockey had either (i had studied HR Gigers Concepts a LOT by Now).

*The Space Jockey Created the Xenomorph and the Derelict using some Advanced Bio-Mechanical Technology for USE as a Weapon in some UNKNOWN Conflict.

*The Space Jockey had encountered the Xenomorph or related Organism and Engineered their Technology from it and maybe tried to USE it as a Weapon or Engineered a Weapon from it.

The SPACE JOCKEY had Fallen Foul to the Weapon for some Reason, but i Questioned as to HOW?  But as FAR as WHEN it seemed it had to be Thousands of Years ago.

When Prometheus Arrived i was NOT really Shocked or Disappointed about the Engineers, it FITTED with the Concept work of HR Giger... if i am to ONLY touch on the Connection to the CARGO....

To me i found that Prometheus had enough Clues for me to Conclude... that either.

*The Engineers had Created Advanced Bio-Mechanics and using their Creation Goo they had Carried out Experiments and that the Xenomorph was a RESULT of these Experiments or a Accidental Outcome after the OUTBREAK.

*The Engineers encountered some Ancient Organism that they had used their Creation Goo on Obtaining its Traits to both Create the Xenomorph but also their Bio-Mechanical Technology.

And so i was Leaning towards that there was a Precursor to the Xenomorph and Deacon and the Engineers had began to Engineer/Experiment with this and USE it as a Weapon, and that the Xenomorph was either ONE of the Completed Weapons or something had Happened to Spawn what became the Eggs on LV-426.  I felt more inclined to think the Space Jockey event was AFTER the Outbreak... but maybe it could have been JUST before it.

The Chest Burst Holes in the Dead Engineers in Cryo-sleep had Interested me, and the Hammerpede and i was DRAWN to Consider that the Hammerpedes could be the Precursor to the Xenomorph.

The Space Jockey awakened to go on his Mission only his Cargo was NOT what was Expected.... it had became INFECTED.

When we got to ALIEN COVENANT then that does Change things a LOT.... there are some Inconsistencies but i expect we are to OVERLOOK them.

I have NO doubts at this Point that David had taken the Engineers Attempts of creating Horrific Weapons and he had EVOLVED IT, i do think that AC has SET-UP that those Colonist and Embryos will became WHAT we see as those EGGS on the Derelict.... 

We are just WAITING for WHEN/HOW they get Created, and then for a ENGINEER SHIP with Engineers to come into Play and EVENTUALLY we get to either.

*The Derelict and Pilot is Heading to LV-223 with something to Experiment with but ONLY gets as FAR as LV-426 before becoming Infected and has to Quarantine the Cargo on LV-426.

*The Horrors of David make it to LV-223 where they are EVOLVED to become those Eggs, and the Derelict is in the Process of leaving to UNLEASH those Eggs but the Pilot is Infected and has to Quarantine the Cargo on LV-426.

I am Currently Drawn to the 2nd OPTION but its OPEN as to WHO would make the FINAL EVOLUTION to the Xenomorph from Alien Covenant and to WHO is the Pilot and HOW they get Infected.

I maybe could be OPEN to the Space Jockey being some kind of Savior to the Original Plans of WHOEVER would make the FINAL UPGRADE to the Xenomorph.  But maybe he was ONLY saving his OWN Species?

For me while i FOUND the Space Jockey Scene Iconic when i was younger it was the ALIEN that i was interested in Finding more about in a Sequel, when that Sequel came i was fond of ALIENS and i never really Questioned much about the Space Jockey, until after Alien 3 when we had Closure to Ripley and i assumed the Xenomorph.

I thought about so WHERE NEXT and i was hopeful that the Franchise could Continue even though LV-426 seemed GONE and Ripley was GONE.  And i then often thought about the Derelict and those Eggs and wondered if we would EVENTUALLY discover HOW those Eggs got on that Ship and WHY.

In 1995 i was indeed Drawn to Consider the Space Jockey had OBTAINED the Xenomorph from some Place and had FALLEN FOUL to the Cargo.

About 1997/98 i had came Across a Magazine from a Friend about ALIEN and it allowed me to LOOK at the Space Jockey SET in more Detail and it even had HR Gigers Concept Work........  I had before Noticed that the Xenomorph Hive was similar to the Derelict Aesthetic but it was ONLY after that Magazine it STOOD OUT that there was a Connection.

It made me Question to HOW there was a Connection and to me that LEFT me to Consider...

a) The Space Jockey must be using the Xenomorph Genetics to Build its Ships and use them as a Weapon.

b) The Space Jockey build their Ships and they Created the Xenomorph using their Bio-Mechanical Technology/Ways.

With NEWS of another ALIEN Movie i was at this Point Excited to see WHAT it would be about and Expected maybe we could GO TO the place WHERE the Xenomorph or Space Jockey came from........................

After Alien Resurrection and looking at HOW the Xenomorph DNA had affected Ripley and the Hybrid Mutations etc, it made me YEARN to Find out more about their ORIGINS and the Space Jockey as at this Point i was DRAWN to Conclude.

*The Space Jockey Race created the Xenomorph as a Weapon for some Conflict and it had became INFECTED with its own Payload/Cargo.   I was NEVER 100% sure as to HOW this could have Happened, this was a Mystery in itself (i suspected that ONE of the Face Huggers got Loose).

With the ADVENT of DVD and Internet Access (to more people) in 2001 i became Very Interested in the Space Jockey and more so than the Xenomorph, i had LONGED for maybe getting to see them and Answers one DAY.  During the 2001-2003 Period i was DRAWN to the same CONCLUSION as i Mentioned Prior...

I was HOPEFUL we would get some Answers... but we got AVP.

Wow can't wait

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Love looking back at Alien: Covenant artwork, whether used or unused, some of the best artwork comes out of the Alien franchise, by far.

After 4 years, I find myself liking Alien: Covenant more and more. Those that said it would grow on us over time were absolutely right.

Well its been ALL QUIET at Alien Day.....

I think DISNEY are in NO RUSH.....

Maybe they will SIT BACK and see how the Fireteam Game and the Novels/Comics that Connect to it will FAIR and also the Amanda Ripley Comics.

Then they can maybe GAUGE what the Fans would be Interested in?

Its a BIT Strange we have seen NO more Information/Updates with the FX TV Series. As ALIEN DAY would have been Ideal to Pitch a few Teasers and HYPE the Show!

I Guess we have to BARE in Mind that COVID does make Shooting Scenes Difficult and the Pandemic Certainly has PUSHED other Shows/Movies back as far as SHOOTING Dates etc.

I do have a FEELING that we could KISS BYE BYE to the Prequels and Alien 3/Alien R as Canon... WHEN we do get what DISNEY has Planned.

Maybe its 5 Year Wait..... 2026.... The ALIENS Sequel.

Well its been ALL QUIET at Alien Day.....

I think DISNEY are in NO RUSH.....

Maybe they will SIT BACK and see how the Fireteam Game and the Novels/Comics that Connect to it will FAIR and also the Amanda Ripley Comics.

Then they can maybe GAUGE what the Fans would be Interested in?

Its a BIT Strange we have seen NO more Information/Updates with the FX TV Series. As ALIEN DAY would have been Ideal to Pitch a few Teasers and HYPE the Show!

I Guess we have to BARE in Mind that COVID does make Shooting Scenes Difficult and the Pandemic Certainly has PUSHED other Shows/Movies back as far as SHOOTING Dates etc.

I do have a FEELING that we could KISS BYE BYE to the Prequels and Alien 3/Alien R as Canon... WHEN we do get what DISNEY has Planned.

Maybe its 5 Year Wait..... 2026.... The ALIENS Sequel.

Indeed Chris it would be Interesting to see some of the Drafts by Paglen/Green from 2014 which is what the Supposed Information was from.

Being as though this Information came from 9 Months prior to the Completion of the Alien Covenant Draft it seems there was Changes...  But some things seemed to remained the Same.

*It did appear that Dr Shaw played a SMALL but Important Role, and her ROLE would be to allow David to Create something.

*It does appear in Part that some of the Drawings that David had made of Dr Shaw are the same as what was described as her Fate.

*There was TWO MONSTERS of which ONE was a Creation of Davids.

*And there was more than ONE David Android.

However there was differences like the Monsters were NOT quite the Xenomorph that David created, it was indicated he would Create something like the Ultramorph/Necronom 4 and the other Monster while described similar to the Neomorph it was also supposed to be based off the ORIGINAL HR Giger Concept.

The way it was Described seemed similar to this Concept Work that was for another Alien Project (Red Harvest)

It would seem at some Point they Decided to make David actually be the Creator of the Xenomorph, and then also make the other Monster as based of the Unused Monster from Alien Engineers.

I dont know WHY they Panicked and Felt maybe the FANS would NOT want to see something SIMILAR and that they would NEED to have the Xenomorph Origins given to them instead....

Maybe someday the Drafts from Late 2013 to October 2014 may be released or leaked?

Looks like we wont be seeing the WALTER-MORPH either Now ;)

Looking back at older articles, fun to see how close we got with this leak! I miss the hype surrounding Alien: Covenant, I can't wait for this kind of hype to begin once again for the new TV series.

I think to go back to the OT....

It seems that DISNEY are NOT interested in the Prequels, we did hear about the Giler/Hill Brandywine Project (ALIEN V) which would have gave us Ripley back and looked like it MAY have RELEGATED some of the Franchise to being DREAMS.

But with the ONLY kind of Concrete Project that was in Works being the FX ALIEN TV SHOW... it seems via the PLOT that this would also be Re-Writing some HISTORY.

I dont think you have to RE-WRITE stuff you can ATTEMPT to FIX it which is like what STAR WARS attempted after The Last Jedi disappointment.

The Star Wars Franchise is Consistent, UNLIKE the Star Trek when we had the REBOOTS... and so i would like to see the ALIEN FRANCHISE do a Star Wars rather than a Star Trek in this Regard....

But a TV Show with the PLOT we have would to me be like doing a Star Trek Reboot...

But this was ALWAYS a Prime Concern with DISNEY... i worried under them we would see the Franchise Rebooted and Retconned... like OVER and OVER...

I dont think the PLOT in Part is Bad.... but i think the Time-Setting would be....  The Discovery of a Crashed Engineer Ship at Sea say between 2200-2300 would be FINE.. as WHO was to say the Engineers had NOT sent a Ship to Earth some Thousands of Years ago that Failed its Mission and ENDED UP at the Bottom of the Ocean.

The ONLY Problem with this would be IF the Cargo is Eggs and we have Xenomorphs then THIS would Conflict what we saw in ALIEN COVENANT... and IF this TV Show is set say between 2040-2080 then it would RAISE the Question a bit about ALIEN....

Giving us something that would NOT be a Xenomorph but would have some Connection would NOT go and please some Fans who would EXPECT that we have to have XENOMORPHS.... and i think Quite a Lot of Fans would LIKE this for the Reason it would TOTALLY mean that David could NOT have Created the Xenomorph.

I STAND BY how i feel the Prequels had Enhanced the Franchise, because with the Engineers Experiments and Bio-Weapon they could have given us a PLOT where in the Year 2220 they either Discover a Crashed Ship at Sea either on EARTH or on a Earth like World they had Discovered and Colonized in the Future.

They could THEN have given us a Alternative Xenomorph, say like ABOVE....  But then a LOT of the Problems could have been Avoided had they shown David Created something similar to ABOVE instead.

I have always said the David as Creator can be FIXED by having the Returning Engineers Discover his Xenomorphs even on Planet 4 and taking them to LV-223 to EVOLVE into what becomes those Eggs on LV-426 so the Engineers play the ROLE of those who Began the Process (LV-223/Black Goo) and then FINISHED the Process (LV-426) and David had merely taken the Engineers Work and Evolved it and the Engineers become Impressed and PERFECT the work of David..

JOB DONE... everyone Happy (well maybe NOT).

But such a PLOT... or if they Choose to REBOOT the Prequel Plot... then what we have is WHEN those Engineers had LOADED UP the Derelict, then WHY was that the ONLY Ship?

So they could have other SHIPS that have left and some of these could have been SUCCESSFUL and others could also have CRASHED....

Even as to END UP at the Bottom of a Sea on Earth or some other World in the Galaxy and THIS... is where they could have taken the TV Series....

I think even IF they Ignore the Prequels so Prometheus had NEVER Happened and so we have the Derelict on LV-426 and another is on Earth... i still think thats a MASSIVE MISTAKE.... IF the TV Show is SET before say 2200.

PS:  I will add that the AVP Pred-Alien Concept i modified a LITTLE does look a bit like the Fresco from Prometheus. And so having a Organism like this being Discovered could give some Connection to Prometheus.

A Progenitor to the Deacon, and Xenomorph or just another Alternative Experiment from some other Connected Source?

Even such a PLOT could be used for a AVP Reboot of Sorts, if its indicated the Predator Species with the Black Goo had became what is the Fresco Creature or a Engineer/Fresco Hybrid is what became the Predators ;)

I will do mine 1-6

1) ALIEN: (9/10) such a Classic, Hard to Fault the Movie at all, it Offered us a Aesthetically Unique Monster and Life-Cycle, As i got OLDER then i was always drawn to the Derelict/Space Jockey (my Favorite Scene of  the Franchise) and Wondering WHO was they?

2) Prometheus: (7/10) The Prequel that had Great Premise i think Visually it was Very Good the Soundtrack too, the PLOT and what it SET-UP....  it was the Mystery and what DOORS that could be Unlocked that made this Movie interesting.  In Spite of some Flawed Characters, and a Disappointment and NOT enough of a Connection to ALIEN in terms of Monsters, taking away TOXIC AVENGER Fifield and ANGRY BOB the Engineers...  Then the ONLY kind of ALIEN Horror/Death we saw as Milburns Space Cobra Petting, and the Engineer getting Face Hugged/Chest Busted...  But there was POTENTIAL in the Plot.

3) ALIENS: (7/10) This was Great when i was Younger, but as i got Older it became Popcorn Fun, but it the PERFECT Popcorn Space/Horror/Action.  To be fair its HARD to Fault but it lacked that Intrigue that ALIEN had.

4) ALIEN 3 (6/10) I used to think this was a Disappointment when i was younger, but as Aliens became more Popcorn with Age, then Alien 3 grew on me.  I think the ALIEN Effects (in Part) was a Step-down from the Previous Installments  it gave a Fitting End to the Saga of Ripley.... a Big Disappointment was so WHERE do we go NOW?   I think had Hicks Survived then the ENDING would have worked better as we would FEEL his LOSS and then you could see he would VOW to NEVER let this Happen Again (Company get a Xenomorph and Ripleys Sacrifice be in Vain) and so the Torch could have been Passed.

5/6 i cant Decide....

5) ALIEN COVENANT: (4/10) I Felt this was NOT the Best way to have Continued with the Prequels but i UNDERSTAND as to WHY it was made, i actually GET the idea of the Creator Plot, i just think it threw away the Engineers and Dr Shaw under the Bus so we can introduce more HUMANS.. the Characters i could not Connect with much, the Movie just had so much to FIT in a Short Space so Short Cuts where Made and we NEVER had enough Screen Time for the Xenomorph and so it was RUSHED. It was Interesting to see the Engineers World, while we NEVER saw enough, it left me with some Mystery and Questions. I also felt the was Potential Still but that such Potential would NOT sit well with many so its Disappointing we may NEVER know what Happens Next.

6) Alien Resurrection: (4/10) I was Disappointed with this Movie it was kinda like a Run out of Ideas/Panic... how do we get Ripley back in a PLOT that made Little Sense in Execution (Clone that would Carry a Embryo). It was not Scary at all, the Action was Popcorn and Comical at times... It was Call and WHO the Autons are that Interested me, and WHAT the HELL had became of Earth.  But also the Potential in Ripley 8 DNA if the Company could Capture her, but also Potential in Hybrid Xenomorph DNA and its Applications..

I think with HOW they had Explored the Prequels and with NOT having any Origin Answers to the Xenomorph and NOT knowing the Space Jockey Event, had Disappointed some Fans.

The Decisions that was made that LEAD to Alien Covenant are a RESULT of Cracking to Pressure they FOX Felt we NEED to give those Answers, and then to NOT think outside the BOX...... the SET-UP for a Prometheus 2 could seem Limited and Difficult if you had WRITERS who are LIMITED and cant think outside the BOX.

By that i mean the Premise of Dr Shaw wanting Answers from a RACE of God Wanna Be Humanoids who DONT take Kindly to Humans, and a ROBOT who also does-not take Kindly to Humans and surely wont be Pleased at being Dr Shaws Translator and getting his HEAD RIPPED OFF again.

So Potentially we have a COPY of Prometheus... only Dr Shaw wanting her Answers of a NUMBER (likely) of Engineers than Weyland wanting more LIFE from a Single Engineer.

So you have a SHIP with a Bio-Weapon, a Human who wants Answers from these Engineers, with a ROBOT that may have his OWN Motives turning up to the Home-world of the Engineers who MAY-NOT welcome them...

"Hi my Name is David this is Dr Shaw she is a Human you Created and she Demands to KNOW as to WHY"

What was going to Happen?

*Welcome Children come in do you Fancy some Tea?

What would they make of David? What would David make of the Engineers if they seemed Welcoming to Dr Shaw but they saw him as just a ROBOT too?

So the amount of Engineers they Discover, and HOW these beings would Welcome them would be WHAT the Movie would be based on.... with David as Translator?  Can you also have a MOVIE with just ONE HUMAN?

This is a PROBLEM the Writers Faced...... also with such a PLOT its HOW do you Discover the Xenomorph Origins? Would having ANOTHER MOVIE with NO Xenomorphs go down well?

And so this is WHEN we get a Change to Introduce us to a World where other Humans would Arrive, which then Evolved into a Story where they would also Introduce the Xenomorph Origins....

And so thats HOW we get to ALIEN COVENANT and the aftermath which has NOT gone down too well and had LEFT them in a PICKLE to HOW do they Continue...

So you can see it seems that DISNEY maybe wont want to RISK a Continuation of the Prequels... seems they CANT come up with a IDEA to get to ALIEN that wont REQUIRE at least TWO Movies and that MAYBE would NOT get much Interest.

Seems the IDEAS have RAN DRY!

It seems that DISNEY will likely think that they HAVE to go back to the Xenomorph, but do they Reboot anything, do they Reinvent the Xenomorph? or do they Connect to the ALIEN Franchise Events?

ONLY TIME... will tell.

All we have so FAR that seems Concrete would be the FX TV Series but then if this is to be CANON and set a Considerable Time before the Prequels i think this could be Problematic.  Especially set on EARTH!

I think that was Part of the Problem with TRYING to Expand the Franchise, The more Background you give to the Engineers/Space Jockey and what Worlds they have Created the MORE that maybe you have to STEER AWAY from the ALIEN.

But for some they would see doing so is just Taking the Franchise to something that is NOT really ALIEN and that the Space Jockey and Xenomorph should go Hand in Hand.  So maybe something more SIMPLE and BASIC and that MAYBE going into too much DETAIL to WHY the Space Jockey would have those Eggs was something thats maybe BEST to have left a Mystery.

But i can see what Ridley Scott was thinking as the Space Jockey Fate was Pretty Obvious he had Fallen Foul to his own Cargo.

ONCE you Answer the Following then its a Question of WHAT NEXT?

*WHEN/HOW was the Space Jockey infected with his Cargo, (HOW did a Face Hugger get Loose).

*WHAT was the Space Jockeys intention for the Cargo? (Study/Experiment) or for War/Conflict but with WHOM?

I think the 2nd Point is the Most Important One as this then leads to.

*WHERE did the Space Jockey get those EGGS

For just over 30 years THE FANS may have Wondered about THESE Questions. They may even have all had their OWN Theories or Wants as FAR as HOW would you Answer these.

When it came down to it the BASE QUESTIONS would be WHERE did the Eggs come from and WHERE was the Space Jockey going and WHY?

Its a Question that i think MANY of us had always wanted to Answer, but maybe something that SHOULD have remained a Mystery.  The PROBLEM you have if you decide to leave it a MYSTERY would be WHERE do you GO in regards to NEXT after Alien Resurrection.

I think NO MATTER what route they had taken, be it a ALIEN V Sequel to ALIEN R, a RETCON of ALIEN 3 on-wards or another ALIEN STORY within the Franchise that has nothing to do with RIPLEY.

Once you have VISITED the ALIEN another 2-3 Times i think Eventually you are going to come to that QUESTION?

So WHERE did they COME FROM?

So i think Eventually you would have had a ORIGINS story, i think with Ridley Scott he wanted to have a ROLE in this as he NEVER got to Continue after ALIEN and so he would have WANTED to have a SAY in the Origin of the Xenomorph, but he also seemed Interested in the Space Jockey Story.

I know that Jon Spaights had said that before his Pitch it seemed the IDEA would have been Very Much similar to a ALIENS i think as a Prequel they would have touched on the ORIGINS a Bit.....     But i think its a CASE of ONCE they had Decided on that...

*Xenomorph was a Engineered Bio-Weapon the Space Jockey Race was taking to some Conflict/War or Destruction.

Then you would be left to ASK as to HOW/WHEN did they Create the Xenomorph and WHO/WHEN was they going to USE the Weapon and WHY was they doing so?

I think ONCE you Answer that then maybe if they wanted something NEW then it would be the CONFLICT they are Involved with to Expand On.... Once we KNOW as to HOW the Xenomorph came to be.

I think as Spaights had Pointed Out..... if the Space Jockey was a VERY ALIEN looking Species that had NO CONNECTION to Earth, it was INVOLVED in some CONFLICT some THOUSANDS of Years ago.... against either a Faction of themselves or another ALIEN SPECIES in some FAR FAR AWAY part of the Galaxy then it would be HOW do you Expand on that and then have a Series of Movies where we ENCOUNTER say 1-2 ALIEN Races that have NO WAY to Communicate with Humans.

Then we are Essentially looking at Wandering upon a BATTLE ZONE between say Independence Day Aliens vs say War of the Worlds Aliens where ONE SIDE has Created the Xenomorph to use to TURN the TIDE.

So i think that giving the Space Jockey a Backstory was a Interesting Move.... HOWEVER i think to go and Expand on this and STEER AWAY from the Eggs etc was a BOLD and Ambitious Move that could maybe had Created a Expanded Franchise Spin Off but that would maybe be to FAR away from the Interest of some of the FANS.

I think that the LACK of Answers and Connections to ALIEN in Prometheus was a Mistake.... the MOVIE should have been more Connecting and ALLOWED the Door to ALIEN to be CLOSED and then they could EXPAND on the Engineers in a Spin Off Franchise.... while still being able to EVENTUALLY give us other ALIEN Movies... that dont have to revolve around the Engineers.

I'm reading the prequel novel right now. Its called Infiltrator. The planet is apparently referred to as LV-895, and the lab is call Pala station. All I can say is that I hope the game is better than the book.

Worldbuilding is always going to be problematic ( probably the reason RS was always talking 5-6 movies )......Origin of the SpaceJockey, origin of the Engineers,  ..origin of the xeno....holy crap! that's just too much. We didn't get any of that for Alien.....No backstory for anyone. 

Guess I'm more interest on the how and why the Space Jockey died...Then where it lived and it's home life.

I've been playing Alien: Isolation for a while. It's one of the best games I have ever played. And the best part is I'm all alone at my property in Athens and it makes it even scarier. 

I don't know why but I personally like Alien 3. I like to see David Fincher's touch in canon. 

I bought the game ever since it first came out. As an alien and horror fan, I really like it.
Devs nailed 1979 alien aesthetic. Other than some critics, the game was very well received by gamers and alien fans.
The main criticism was aimed at the game's difficulty. The game is really difficult. And tbh, I did rage many times during my playthroughs. I remember one time while I was attempting to beat one level that I was stuck on for days, and when I thought that I will finally beat it, the Xeno jumped from the vent and got me and I had to restart the whole level. I was so angry that my face was red, steam was coming out of my ears and I almost broke my controller.

Other than that, If you're a fan of stealth-based horror games, give the game a try.

I have the game on my Epic Games account already. Is it worth trying? I heard some bad comments about it from my friends and now I have some doubts.

Not came across the NASA Video is there a link?

But i think its Extremely Unlikely that the Earth is the ONLY place that has LIFE...  The Earth is just a Spec of Sand in the Desert that is our Galaxy never mind other Galaxies.

However it depends on WHAT we call Life....

Basic Organic Life i think YES there has to be.... Complex Life who knows... i think its Possible, but thats not to say we talking Star Trek here ;)

Where there are the RIGHT Building Blocks and Environment for Life then it should EXIST... and on Earth we have LIFE in some of the MOST EXTREME Conditions

And so i think that some LIFE could adapt to even more Extremes than we have on Earth.  If you have Water, some form of Heat then you will get LIFE.

Definitely looks like Planet 4 ;)

I think as FAR as a Plot you would have to ASK as to WHY would W-Y not go and check out LV-223 and Planet 4 after they receive Davids Advent Message.

I think we maybe should NOT go and Rush Ahead and think this is where ENGINEERS will return though.... Certainly we have the Neomorph Threat, and Protomorphs... but then if the Company Team goes and Mess about with any Black Goo Canisters then we can Certainly Expect some more FIFIELDS LOL

I think its also Interesting that Fireteam hints at other Threats that are NOT of the Xenomorph Origin.... so we wont just be doing BUG HUNTS ;)

If the Game does well maybe it could Spawn a TV Series well one that is Based off the Weyland-Yutani Military as they are Bound to have more Threats than Xenomorphs.

Certainly Interesting to see that some of the Action takes Place on Planet 4.....

Its a Logical Plot Conclusion considering the END of Alien Covenant then you would Expect that Missions to LV-223 and Planet 4 would have been SET-UP.

Its a LITTLE Disappointing we have NO News on the TV Show, who knows if its going ahead or even if they PLAN to Re-write SOME of the PLOT.

Saying that a PLOT about Xenomorphs on Earth like 50+ Years of more before ALIEN seems something that is a RISK and well i dont think a Good Idea ;)

With the Alien Franchise having reached near the Year 2400 there is BOUND to be other Worlds that Humans had Discovered that are similar to Planet 4 and Origae-6.

Where Mankind have found a kind of Paradise where they have SET UP a Colony for what 25, 50, 100 Years and THEN they make a Underwater Discovery at SEA that then UNLEASHES the Horror of ALIEN all over again.

I feel a Similar Plot is at Play with the TV Series only this Discovery is on Earth between 2040-2070 and i find that a bit of a Mistake... (like making the AVP Plot take place on Earth in the Year 2004).

Hope you all had a HAPPY ALIEN DAY...

Seems that we have NO NEWS at all..... hopefully the Franchise still remains in the Plans of Disney.

But back to the OT...

Then YES the idea would NOT make a Movie as having a Movie with so FEW Characters would be HARD to PULL OFF and i think this is ONE Problem they Faced with any Sequel to Prometheus that would FOLLOW where David and Dr Shaw would go and WHAT they would get up to.

I think a NOVEL would have been Interesting though ;)

I find it UNLIKELY that Dr Shaw had Died SOON after they Arrived.

It seems the PATHOGEN had NOT affected the Entire Planet.

Some Engineers would HAVE to had Survived... but to go in HIDING from the Pathogen and with Food/Water running LOW they would Eventually had became Emaciated and if the Engineers would ACT in a Honorable way that we would expect of HUMANITY then the MALES would have made sure any Food/Drink goes to the Woman and Children.

So the Survivors would eventually be RIPE for Pickings by David as we see from his Notes.

In Closing Chris....

It seemed SET-UP that some Engineers would return but this puts us on a Difficult Plot as far as Conflict with the Franchise, as having some ANGRY ENGINEERS back on the Scene and LV-223 standing around before ALIEN would Certainly Conflict the Franchise.

Its a case of having a PLOT where LV-223 and Planet 4 are within a Stone-Throw of Earth on the Galactic Scale of things...

By having David take the Juggernaught to say a World that is say 22'000 Light Years away to a Engineer World that Eventually becomes HELL.... where its Hundreds of Years before other Engineers return from FAR FAR AWAY then you dont have so much Conflict.

You instead have the SEEDS to another ALIEN Franchise set after Alien R where you have NEW Players and Threats for Mankind to deal with.

I think that INDEED its Unlikely that the Engineers would PUT all their Eggs into ONE Basket so to Speak. But saying that we are talking a Race who LOST control of LV-223 ;)

I think there is some Ambiguity to the Engineers, and i know some were Disappointed in what they had seen and were EXPECTING to see those LV-223 Dudes!

But i think when we looking DEEPER into the Context an Themes then it appears what we had on LV-223 was Engineered Super Engineers who are more like the Replicants would be to Mankind.

I think with the PLOT that Prometheus has SET-UP then it would seem UNLIKELY that these Engineers who have been going around and SEEDING many Worlds for MILLIONS of Years would ONLY have Interacted with Earth and had a Outpost and Home-world that are ON THE DOOR STEP to Earth.

And so its LIKELY they have other Worlds and its LIKELY that Mankind was NOT the Only Race they Seeded/Evolved.

I think this is WHY there was so much POTENTIAL to where they could have taken David and Dr Shaw.... but the simply HAD NO IDEA about HOW do you make a Movie about David and Dr Shaw who would eventually reach a Home-World of Aggressive Humanoids who HATE Mankind!

Well we have a 2000+ Year Gap as to WHY we are Still here if these ENGINEERS all Hate us and WANT US DEAD... so you could have had a Conflict a Battle in the STARS where the Engineers had a WAR between each other............

The not so Malevolent Engineers could have WON and Abandoned all their Weapons and Technology, and Lived on a FEW Worlds maybe some in Harmony with their Creations.   The Engineers see the Surviving Seeded Worlds as Primitive as we was Thousands of Years ago and WITHOUT any more Interaction wit the Engineers we would SIMPLY NEVER be a Threat as we would NOT be able to Advance without the Engineers..... and so they LEAVE US to be and IF we Destroy ourselves so be it.. but they LEFT our FATE to us.

This would EXPLAIN a lack of Engineer Activity... then the WORLD that David and Dr Shaw arrive at would be like Planet 4 but this PLACE could be Thousands of Light Years away and so the EVENTS that Transpire on this Paradise would NOT have any Impact on the ALIEN Franchise.

It seemed Written in STONE that regardless of WHERE it was that David went, that Eventually he would RAIN HELL on the World.... if this WORLD was Thousands of Light Years away and David Created something Different.... and he was on his WAY to other Engineer Worlds..... then  should SOME of the other Engineer Worlds go and Visit each other and DISCOVER what had Happened... then this would SET UP the Engineers deciding that maybe ALL of the Worlds they Seeded that they DO-NOT have a Established Kingdom on must be DESTROYED..

And this could LEAD to a WAR OF THE WORLDS that is SET after the events of Alien Resurrection...

I think a lot of what transpired will remain a mystery, I doubt they will explore its contents much, but I wouldn't be opposed to a novel or comic outlining it!

What I'm more intrigued by is the Engineer discovery of LV-223 and Paradise Ridley Scott had once mentioned. Indeed Engineers have been seeded throughout the galaxy, Prometheus set that up for us - so it stand to reason that David did not wipe them out entirely. He merely destroyed one sacred location. The Engineers on Paradise were not militant, they looked like Monks. Planet 4 / Paradise was, in my opinion, a religious outpost - a church if you will. David committed one of the most treacherous acts by bombing an unarmed, peaceful, religious place.

David is the embodiment of defiance. He is evil, created and seeded with the the hatred and defiance which plagues all of Humanity. He is the representation of anti-God. What he and Shaw got up to on that journey - nothing more than deceitful chit chat to manipulate Shaw into putting him back together. I want to see the reaction to David's actions by the Engineers and where that leads next.

Hey, BD, you should check new screenshots for Aliens Fireteam.

Happy ALIEN DAY