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BD

Exploring new worlds could be very interesting. Maybe the Engineers have been to those worlds and if so it would be interesting to see what they have done there. Prometheus despite of all its faults did something right by bringing us the Engineers.

Maybe they have visited new worlds and kind of like terraforming they have tried to make the planets habitable. If they terraformed LV426 in Aliens then who knows what the Engineers with their technology are able to do? They don't have to go to Origae-6, there could be other planets in the galaxy.

I am not sure if it is necessarily to have the engineers going to earth. Maybe there are more interesting ways to handle that? One of the ideas for Alien 3 was to have it on earth (Eric Red was the one that I think made that draft), let me say that I was happy that they didn't make a movie based on that.

They can throw Alien Resurrection on the garbage pile as far as I am concerned but don't touch Alien 3. You wrote about the possibility to reduce Alien 3 and Resurrection to being dreams. I like how you summarized it in that bullet list about what people want and don't want because it makes it easy to follow.

You don't need to have the Xeno in it but maybe have some that are tied to it and some that are not. My interest here is how the goo can be used to make different life-forms and also how the Engineers deal with it.

". . . thinking its some kind of Ancient Jar with NO threat... and we get a Outbreak/Infection this way."

Maybe it would not be a totally bad idea. One thing that worries me is that we will get another crew that goes out on a planet with no protective gear a la Covenant. You got to have smarter things than that to advance the story.

Egg-morphing seems interesting. I don't think that we have seen that in any theatrical version, right?

"Then would SUCH a Movie (Provided Characters are Good) would this been seen as a ALIEN Movie?"

If you have ties to the movies that came before it and if these are clear enough and not as vague as in Prometheus then sure why not. There are other things in the franchise than just Xenos. About the Engineers and their bio-weapons, what if there are other worlds in the franchise that has intelligent life that the Engineers would feel threatened by? Maybe those worlds would get the goo treatment so to speak so they would not think about spreading to other galaxies and therefore in a way start to make the Engineers worried? Perhaps I am not making sense here, my thoughts go into different directions.

The pictures of the spider alien that you posted look very interesting. I am not sure if you should show them to people that are afraid of spiders though. ;)

SuperAlien

You are right, they never explained that much what it was about, special order 937. What we got to know was what it said on the screen, which is what Ash repeated. Perhaps it was more to it than that. I don't think that it's a problem if we never get to know more what it's about other than what Ash told them. Some things should be left up to the imagination. Ripley definitely has a reason to be stressed out because what it says is that the employer doesn't give a F is they are killed. This is my take on it

BlackAnt

The Engineers are interesting and I am also interested in the roots of humanity, where we came from. What I don't like is to practically make it come off as a movie that is about the android, no matter if the theme is hubris, AI, free will, what ever. I am and have never been interested in the franchise because of the robots/androids and I don't want to see a movie about them in the Alien universe. Ash and Bishop worked because they were a part of the story but it was never their movie so to speak and the human characters were a lot better.

Michael Fassbender as David was much better in Prometheus and he could have worked if they would not have made him into such an asshole but he still works because I honestly find the differences between Walter and David to be interesting, their personalities and their views about things. Despite Walter and David being somewhat interesting the human characters were too weak and it was too much about the robots. The idea of David as the creator of the Xeno is just so bad story-wise. People have thought about where they Xeno might come from and how it came to be and they make it into a result of a bored robot. . . that we created? *face-palm*

My complaint has never been about Fassbender as an actor but rather that it is too much about the robots. I haven't watched that many Fassbender-movies but at least it seems that he gets enough to work with. If there is a movie that he is in that seems interesting enough I might watch it but unfortunately it is too much about the androids in the prequels, at least in Covenant which make the prequels worse than they could have been. The ideas about creation, technology, where we come from, and all those philosophical things are interesting but they are poorly executed in the prequels. Interesting ideas - poor execution - for the most part poorly done characters.

I think that the backburster was great even though the guy was without personality like most of the characters. As far as I remember it David, Walter, Oram, and to some degree Faris had personality the rest had none that I could see at least and also those that had were pale compared to 1, 2, and 3. Pale compared to does not mean that they need to be as good as the first three but they should have been done better. Get someone that understands the importance of human characters and that can write them otherwise forget it. People got to be able to see parts in themselves when it comes to the characters or at least find them interesting and until that level is reached we'll continue getting disappointing alien movies, that's my guess.

The scene where David bombs the Engineers was good, I agree although it would be cool if there would have been some of them alive that we would see if the movie. What about the humans against the Engineers and David? Maybe this could work although I am far more interested in the Engineers, their side of the story.

I would like to see more about the Engineers and their connection to the Xeno if it would ever be made. Having a company like WY could be interesting although it does not need to be at the forefront in the prequels. Prometheus was not total trash and also some of the deleted scenes would have made the movie so much better.

"David did not wipe them all out. . . he may have wiped out an older outpost of theirs; but, one of many."

That is what I also hope was the case. People live in different towns so I doubt that it was the only place where Engineers lived. Hopefully it will look more menacing and interesting in the next movie if we will get one but it has got to have much better human characters, more and better looking Engineers, and be less about androids.

Leto

I would say that we have had the company in the background because it has always been a important part of it plus it ties the franchise to real world problems. What they have not done that much it to keep it more in the foreground so to speak. This could be done in an interesting way plus it is more about real world things compared to what made us which could go into what ever direction really and has a larger probability of effing up. Having parts about creation is not wrong depending on how you make it but to have it connected to real world problems meaning things that affect people in a large scale is something that makes the franchise work. Relating to corporate greed is easier to relate to, to me at least.

AC did not have the corporation at all but that is not why it failed. I am sorry to say it but I am not interested in the android thing at all. They could have it as a small part but I do not want to have it as the main theme so to speak.

Sorry but I don't care about David, to me he is done. I accept that some people might enjoy it and while I am okay with people liking different things I got to say that I have no interest in it. The Engineers could be interesting if they do it right but there has got to be some mystery left about them.

Medical potential of the alien could work depending on how it would be done. Perhaps the medical companies are up to things that WY is also. This could work, depending on how it is done. I do not suggest having another guns and bugs movie because we already have Aliens. We could get more information about the company but we don't need to everything, that goes for David, the Engineers, and other things.

I too would like to see the Engineer unverse greatly expanded on. So much potential there. But if it is, for the most part it should retain big elements of mystery. It would be an absolute tragedy, for example, if we ended up with some boring drivel like Star Trek, where aliens sit around a table with humans discussing matters in an American accent.

I thought Disney's efforts with The Mandalorian were reasonably good; better than I expected and in some ways an improvement on recent Star Wars movies. But it's still a little tame and family-friendly. In an Alien/Engineer universe I want to see material that is decidedly family-hostile!

To get to a more Serious aspect.....   then indeed the ALIEN Franchise in Light of Prometheus could open up us to MANY Worlds, MANY Races and NEW Horrors... and from the Perspective of DISNEY i think thats something they should Concentrate on and it gives them more they can do with a Franchise.... but they could EXPLOIT this into a Gung Ho! Action Multiple Alien Species Fight Fest!

The Franchise also could be explored in SPIN-OFFS!

The Weyland-Yutani company has more to it than just wanting to OBTAIN a Xenomorph... unless we look DEEPER into WHY they would be so Obsessed.

The Colonial Marines have been on other BUG HUNTS... what quite that means, it may not be other Hostile Alien Threats but it could be...  Also by Virtue of them having some time out with the Arcturian Poontang could indicate that Mankind had encountered Alien Species after the events of ALIEN but NOT quite anything like the Xenomorph for the most part.

The Themes of Creation/Sub-Creation and Rebellion  may not appeal to most though.... but i think the A.I arc is interesting Especially when we PONDER about the AUTONS

But i think the ENGINEERS Plot is what can give us  SPIN-OFF that is Set FAR FAR away...

Star Wars is set in a Galaxy Far Far away and thus does-not impact Earth....

If you look at the Caprica/Galactica Plot then with regards to the ENGINEERS then who is to know HOW many Worlds in our FAR Reaches of the Galaxy or other Galaxies have Humans plus other Humanoids.

Looking at this Expanded Universe is maybe where Disney could look to Expand/Exploit this Plot (Multiple Worlds/Races).

A Superman Alien .... nah i think the HULK-MORPH would be better ;)

Regarding the kids, well on one hand what may have Scared kids in the 60's/70's and 80's would not have the same Effect on kids from the 2000's on-wards... as far as Aesthetics...  they become more accustomed to Horrific Forms and Blood.  Due to the ease of Access and Detail in Games and Comics compared to back 30+ years ago.

I tend to see that the Newer Generation do-not really go for Gore Horror much, its more the Possessed, Zombie kind of Horror stuff nowadays and also they seem to be more into Action, Explosions and Big Epic Crash/Destruction Scenes.  Sometimes maybe the Attention Span seems LESS for those Born from the 90's and i dont mean everyone just seems to more a Higher % will kinda Fall Asleep without ACTION...

I only know 2 People born from the 90's who have seen the ALIEN Movies... one is now 23 the other 21 and they ONLY like ALIENS, AVP and One likes Resurrection but they dont like the others lol  They are BIG Fans of Dead Pool, Amazing Spiderman and New Spidermen, the X-Men Movies etc etc.

Mind you as a kid i was not really Scared of any Movies not that i can ever Recall..... but a FEW Disturbed me.... such as The Thing and its only the Dog Town Scene. Oh and the Dog from The Fly 2 so its more a case of having Sympathy for the Dogs ha ha ha!

With people Dying in Movies most of the Time it dont bother us.... lol....  Maybe i am bit too much like my NAMESAKE!

dk, kids are always curious and easily corrupted by many horrible things. The problem is nobody watch over them anymore, so I believe a pre-teen kid nowadays has seen many more monsters than his parents.

A SuperAlien chestbursting from the Superman himself would attract more kids (parents and grandparents included) into the theaters than a Deacon chestbursting from an Engineer. Who could feel for an Engineer, even knowing he was the last of the Engineers? But you did like Superman when you were a kid, didn't you?

Now, that's what I call kid friendly.

SuperAlien Kid friendly is different from when I was a kid. Things that pass as kid friendly now were considered adult material when I was a kid in the 70s. 

I have seen a few clips from Star Wars shows depicting Storm Troopers  heads on stakes and while interesting, this would have been a no no back then for kids.

Maybe some have an antiquated notion of what is kid friendly these days and not enough credit is given to younger people.

The pics Leto posted may have likely caused kids to be afraid 30 plus years ago, but might engage interest and fascination now with that demographic.

Cool. Where did you get that from,Leto?

It looks like cabbage when it's folded. 

We should have a museum dedicated to Alien, safe haven for all those brilliant props, sets and drawings. 

Ridley Scott is right, this franchise has the potential to be as big as Star Wars, the only thing that was missing was the kid friendly part, but now, in Disneyland, they could fix that too.

Leto that Certainly was Interesting a lot of Davids Notes and Life he found does indicate he had been using the Black Goo to Extract and Combine Various Traits from Various Organisms to achieve his Masterpiece.

I think the Wonder of going to NEW Worlds is to see how Varied the Environments and Life-Forms are, even regarding the Native Species...... 

A Newly Discovered World can be VERY Interesting.... but then VERY Horrific after the Pathogen is Unleashed.

I think the ALIEN Franchise had the Scope to NOT be restrained to Ripley and Xenomorphs, which i know is what the Franchise is Recognized for..

But there are other Elements at play.... Weyland-Yutani company History, Rivalry and WHAT else they do apart from Chase after Xenomorphs..   The Colonial Marines as ALIENS was not their First Bug Hunt and maybe NOT their First.   Then you have the Engineers and by Virtue of their Plot this OPENS up many Worlds, many Species which dont have to be Intelligent Humanoids....

These could all be Interesting before we even add the Pathogen or A.I Elements.

I think with ALIEN what it should symbolize is the Humanity Journey to the Depths of Space for whatever reasons that may be.. Colonization, Resources etc or purely Scientific Exploration..... then its going to ALIEN Worlds and Encountering a Threat... 

But for some you cant STEER from the Xenomorph.. well certainly have to have something Connected and so within context to the ALIEN Franchise i think you can introduce a ALIEN threat that is Connected either by being linked to the Experiments with the Black Goo/Result of the Pathogen or even Explore something that had STARTED all those Experiments.

I think you can make new Adventures in the ALIEN Franchise it would be just getting the Mainstream to look Beyond that a ALIEN Movie does not have to be about the Xenomorph on LV-426.

But i do think you can go back to the Xenomorph maybe for 1-2 more rounds if its done right and a bit different.

It was. And it was really cool!

"An oyster shell with fingers would make for a great new variant on a face hugger."

interesting. I imagine David had a similar revelation during his experiments on Planet 4.

BigDave wrote: "Emphasis on A.I and David"

I think of David as a walking, talking version of Weyland Corp. He is a product of inbreeding. ..Walter/Bishop/Call on the other hand, are products of two different parents, Weyland and Yutani... Maybe? 

The Engineer's armored glove reached for him. The shield surrounding David 'crackled' with energy.  “Ahh...temper, temper”, David mouthed to the Engineer; sound waves not traveling outside his shield.  The heavily armored Engineer took a step back. David then stopped lightwaves from penetrating his shield.

"Exploration of New Worlds/Threats seems to be what is more appealing.

Prometheus never had the Xenomorph but maybe it needed something similar, Alien Covenant never really needed a Xenomorph."

Very very true.

I don't think we need to undo what AC gave us. There's plenty of scope to take the story off at a complete tangent.

I went to an oyster bar in Whitstable yesterday. I was looking at some slimy wet oyster innards on my plate thinking how much they looked like the upturned face hugger (I'm sure the prop had a few when Bishop was tampering). But also the shell of the oyster... knobbly, hard, organic, asymmetric... very creepy and alien. An oyster shell with fingers would make for a great new variant on a face hugger.

But looking at the Comments on this TOPIC i think i can conclude a few things..

*It seems that more seem to be Interested in SOME of the things that Prometheus had Opened Up.  The Engineers being a Particular interest.

*It seems to be a Pretty Mixed Bag when it comes down to the Themes of Prometheus in context to Creation/Sub Creation.

*It seems to be a Pretty Mixed Bag when it comes down to the Emphasis on A.I and David... mostly the Xeno Creator Plot struck a Nerve with many.

*Seems that only a SMALL Proportion think we have to have Movies about the Xenomorphs.

*Exploration of New Worlds/Threats seems to be what is more appealing.

And so its as i said before on this TOPIC.... would the Fans accept a ALIEN Movie which does-not have the Xenomorph?

Prometheus never had the Xenomorph but maybe it needed something similar, Alien Covenant never really needed a Xenomorph.

so LETS go BACK and Change/Assume either or BOTH of these TWO things.

*Planet 4 was Located MUCH further away.

*David does-not go to Planet 4

Then if we go to the COVENANT MISSION and say that goes ahead BUT they DONT suffer any Malfunctions.

So the Covenant Ship and its Crew/Colonist make it to Origae-6 intact.

So imagine if Alien Covenant never happened as it did but instead we have it be about the Covenant Ship reaching ORIGAE-6!

Imagine as they Set Down on the Surface with NO threat and all seems FINE... they begin to BRING down Many parts of the Covenant.   They then go off to another Location thats FAR from any Lake... well where they had decided to SET UP their Base.

They Discover in what seems to be a Long Dead Jungle or Burred under Sand some remnants of a Ancient City, and then some Dead Humanoid Figures maybe TALLER than Humans.

They then come to a Water Source (if near Jungle) and by this we have the NEOMORPH SPORES... and the Neomorph is Introduced this WAY!

Or if the Ancient Ruins are discovered mostly Buried in Sand then they could uncover some Open Urns but then a CLOSED ONE... so they take that back to Base Camp thinking its some kind of Ancient Jar with NO threat... and we get a Outbreak/Infection this way.

Which ever route be it the Neomorph or some other Horror we could SHOW them go and Procreate via a Egg Morph... from these come some NEW kind of Face Hugger.

which Capture Hosts and Implant a Embryo (these Face Huggers do-not die after doing this and can infect Multiple Hosts)  then you have Chest Busters to give us another Monster that is a little Different to what had transpired already on Origae-6.

Then would SUCH a Movie (Provided Characters are Good) would this been seen as a ALIEN Movie?

You would make the Connection via the Weyland-Yutani Company Ship, and the Ancient Ruins and Urns would link to the Engineers.

Where we would be lead to that THIS was a World that had suffered a Bombardment of Black Goo at some point THOUSANDS of Years ago.

The Reason i mention this is that i feel the Neomorph was connected to the Xenomorph, we could see some Connection and so you DONT have to have Monsters that are a CARBON Copy as long as they either have something we can make a Connection to the Black Goo/Deacon/Xeno either Aesthetically or via its Life-Cycle/Procreation.

And while we did get AC.....  i think we CANT rule out that the Engineers had USED their Black Goo on some Worlds and wonder what HORRORS had came from this... because what Alien Covenant had shown was that the Neomorph was the Outcome on that World...   and i think its UNLIKELY the Engineers had NOT been and TESTED the Bio-Weapon on a World before.

I think its Important to remember we are talking about SCI-FI and so your allowed some Creativity and to Curve the Lines of what is Science and what is Fiction/Fantasy ;)

I think the Franchise is already Confined to a BOX, which Prometheus had opened up but with Alien Covenant we have ONLY explored a CLOSE part of Space to Earth.

I think there is MASSIVE SCOPE to explore NEW Worlds, which our Imaginations can run Wild....

If we ever got a Sequel to Alien Covenant then MAYBE it would take us to Oriage-6 which would BE the Furthest we have Traveled in  the Franchise.  As it would seem that Oriage-6 would be about 350LY away.  But there is the Potential to go to other worlds Located 500, 700, 1000 or even 1500LY away within the Franchise.. especially the LATTER we go in the Time-Line

I think for some it may seem Interesting to bring the Beast or Engineers home to Earth.... but we have to bare in MIND this would Conflict the Franchise.... UNLESS it was revealed that Alien 3 and Alien R were merely Dreams!

However....... maybe you could introduce them to our Solar System another way?

I think it was GAVIN who proposed a PLOT about Discovering a Juggernaught at the BOTTOM of the Ocean.

In Light of Alien Covenant then i find it unlikely we would have EGGS on such a Ship that has been at the Bottom of the Sea for Thousands of Years... but as far as BLACK GOO!  well that could be Explored.

What happens when the Cargo of Black Goo becomes Disturbed or Unleashed?

I'm really bored. LOL!

Yeah, me too.

BigDave 's been missing for some time ;)

 MonsterZero

The entire point of controlling time is to change enough of it.

Time and space, are all constructs that are interdependent for all of eternity....everything is always changing no matter what you measure it with or from where.

The entire universe around you is like a giant battery...in time all particles reach another equilibrium of a lower energy state ending in decay. 

This requires a very long time but that energy in the reaction you see around you does slow down eventually.

This is of course if you believe in only things that require the Higgs field...I have no doubt there will be something found beyond the plank constant beyond the Higgs field.

Black holes might hold quantum information for a longer period of time but they eventually change....there is no separate place in the entire universe from the entire universe.

Yeah...thought it'd be cool for a time travel or alternate reality Prometheus adventure.

The Engineers crushed Earth into beach ball sized black hole and that orbits the sun where Earth once did.

You might say Earth is still there.... As David would point out: "Information loss is impossible".

I'm really bored. LOL!

OMG, the Engineers made it to Earth!

The USCSS Prometheus was within five million kilometers of Mars when it dropped from FTL.

MUTHUR woke David. He immediately recognized something was wrong, why had he been powered down? 

"Curious” he thought, then made his way to the bridge.

The starship and it’s crew were returning home after failing to find anything of value in their exhaustive search of LV-223. Four years for nothing. The Zeta Reticuli system was devoid of ‘little green men’. How could Shaw and Holloway be so wrong? Puzzled David.

Captain Janek joined David on the bridge, followed by the rest of the crew, who dutifully took their positions. David made his way to the navigation console.

“Alright Mister Chance, let’s make this a smooth reentry” The captain yawned.

Chance suddenly nervous, “Umm...Sir? We’re not getting telemetry from Mars station..” 

The captain adjusted his hat, “Try another frequency?”

David spoke  “I think we have a larger problem captain”

“How so?” 

“Earth seems to be missing” He splashed the SOL system on the ship’s HUD.

I just saw again some scenes from Alien.

After Ripley finds out about special order 937, Ash starts to tell her: "There is an explanation for this, you know..." Unfortunately Ripley is so distressed about special order 937 that she doesn't wanna hear the goddamn explanation...

Good episode.

Agree 100% on Joss Whedon throwing people under the bus.

Still like Alien:R more than ALIENS.

I like FTL in the Alien universe. Gives everybody on Earth a chance to meet the xenomorph. Gives the military the ability to rescue the colonies...Two weeks to LV-426..instead of hundreds or thousands of years.

They could retcon Alien and make it more like the 'Expanse' Hard sci-fi. Have the Derelict found on a moon of Saturn.

Having the action take place 40 light years from Earth is cool and exotic, but i think moons of Saturn are ever bit as cool.

>>>Nay, nay, nay. Leonardo da Vinci was designing flying machines in the 15th century!

This perfectly confirms my words. One man's genius did not change public opinion. People denied the existence of airplanes even when they already appeared! And all because their experience of life, public opinion and the level of knowledge of the world at that time told them that this is impossible.

FTL seems impossible now, but what will happen tomorrow? Definitely not a warp.

How about this one? I could download it from that page, I hope that it works for other people too.

https://www.podbean.com/site/EpisodeDownload/PBE16A519MYXZ

Their first episode (episode 0) has 97 downloads, let's see if we can give them their first episode to reach over 100 downloads.

I'll have to email them

Thanks for the Share...

I cant seem to Access the Pod Casts though :(  my Technology is to OLD lol

But i think that Alien Resurrection had some Good Potential beyond the Main Plot.

*Genetic Manipulation of the Xenomorph would be Interesting.

*Ripley 8 is a FAR more ideal Bio-Weapon but then she is ONE who is Sentient with own Free-Will which could be Problematic.

*The Auton Plot about Synthetics Sub-Creating is Interesting.

*Wonder what Conflict on Earth had left it in the STATE that it was...  Humans vs Synthetics vs Autons?

And so was the Xenomorph something that Humans wanted to get so that they COULD use it to regain Control? But then again Xenomorphs would have LITTLE interest in Synthetics.

"Robots maybe, but not humans. Space is a great place for robots."

Certainly and i actually think you COULD maybe see another EDEN in the Future... and THIS is the same as the Covenant Plot though..

But i am talking Potential Reality not Sci-Fi ;)

Your point about Robots is Interesting they COULD potentially Survive the VAST journey of Space to another Earth like World... that could take Hundreds of Years.

If in FUTURE we reach such Advancements then HOW FAR could our Genetic Engineering had come...

Surely in 200 Years we could STORE the Egg and Sperm Cells of MANY Species....   if we could STORE them for Hundreds of Years and then when the ROBOTS reach a New Eden... they can begin to Fertilize the Eggs and Grow the Embryo's then in THEORY this would be the BEST chance that Mankind can LIVE-ON and Inhabit a New World.

A Noahs Ark of Sorts... which is what i was going to Explore with the Engineers and Earth too..

I would like to give some Information on ONE of my Prometheus 2 ideas i had in 2013....

As it COULD be used for a NEW Venture into the Expanded Universe if FANS would be ok with NOT seeing Xenomorphs ;)

Alien Covenant was kind of FORCED to make Planet 4 closer by Virtue of having to give us a Direct Plot that will lead to ALIEN  and would require Humans from Earth to come into play.

When RS was looking at the Franchise after Prometheus in 2012 i would DOUBT that he would have had the Engineers Paradise be located so CLOSE to Earth.

So when i was thinking of Sequels... my Prometheus 2 was actually not based away from our System... it only had David and Dr Shaw in a FEW Scenes and Engineers (Flash Backs)....   my ideas i was thinking after this TWO Sequels....   ONE would be a Mission to LV-223 and Close the Door to ALIEN... the other would THEN be where David and Dr Shaw go!

The David and Dr Shaw journey would be ONE that does-not and likely thinking would-not be SET in the same Time-Line, i was thinking it would be like 100 Years after Prometheus.

Anyway the Main Idea for WHERE it would be that David and Dr Shaw would arrive would be FAR FAR from Earth.. like 10'000 Light Years away maybe more.  It was BASICALLY to place this WORLD out of the Reach of Mankind in the ALIEN Time-Line.....

On the Journey i was thinking of a SHOT of the Beautiful sight of the  Pillars of Creation seeing the Juggernaught fly by.

Anyway in Context to a NEW Destination... the idea was to have this WORLD be FAR away... so that the EVENTS would NOT effect the ALIEN Time-Line.....

I would assume that RS etc had been Faced with thinking of the Same and a PROBLEM...    how is a Story going to WORK with David and Dr Shaw and then they FIND a World of ANGRY Engineers?

Well you would think you NEED more Human Characters and by Virtue of that then you CANT have Paradise being so FAR away?

Well you CAN... its a bit Naive to Assume that Humans were ONLY ever Seeded to Earth!   The opening Scene of my Prometheus 2 had shown the Engineers arriving at Earth and taking some Apes into Cryo-Pods.... and the Juggernaught then leaves Earth... we Zoom in on a Ape in Cryo-sleep and then CLOSE in to Her Eyes.... then as we Focus OUT of her Eyes we see that its Dr Shaw and instead of a Engineer Watching Over its David..... this Scene was to loosely indicate the Engineers had taken Primitive Apes away to Experiment/Evolve.

Anyway the PLOT i am on about is my Prometheus 3 which would be the Journey of David and Dr Shaw... and a Similar Flash Back seen would see the Engineers on Earth taking Babies/Infants into Cryo-Pods and AWAY from Earth.

Anyway what we have is that David and Dr Shaw would ARRIVE at a World that would have SOME Engineers... but their would be OTHER Species that are Humanoid too.. and also their would be HUMANS...

The Problem would be HOW do they Communicate.. well David would have TAUGHT our Dr Shaw quite a bit of Ancient Language that he spoke to the Engineer in Prometheus but she does not SPEAK it too well.

The Engineers would speak at First in that Dialog with Sub-Titles, with David and Dr Shaw also subtitled... then for the Benefit of the Audience it changes to ENGLISH so we dont have to bother with Subtitles.

At this point ONE of the Elders makes a Telepathic Link to Dr Shaw and Determines she is GOOD of SOUL.

I then had the idea that the Engineers had a Technology where they could TRANSFER some Knowledge to Dr Shaw so that she would THEN have Knowledge of their Language. 

Dr Shaw and David also at some point see this Device could also READ MINDS... and that it could Potentially STORE a Subjects Memories... or even Wipe/Replace them and so it could be used as a kind of MIND CONTROL... but also maybe as a TOOL to pass one Persons Memories into a New Body.

David has FOUND something that could have given Weyland some kind of Immortality (Weyland had worked on a A.I for that which is what my Prometheus 2 covered but it was Problematic)

Anyway my Plot would have the Engineers Concerned with David they CANT read his Mind... the Device cant be used on HIM... he tries it and a Elder informs him it can only WORK on a Being with a SOUL...  which David finds Offensive... and claims Humans have NO SOULS.  The Engineer informs David that Organic Beings Created by them with BRAINS can Store their Memories and thus SOUL and so as David has NO Brain per say then he has NO SOUL...

Anyway the Engineers then Determine they should go to LV-223 and LAY that place to DUST... they Ponder if they should DESTROY the Earth because NOW we can Traverse Space.

David tells Dr Shaw what he found out and this Concerns Dr Shaw and she Confronts the Elders who indeed inform her of WHY they attempted it before and what Happened (Sabotage) that they Rescued some Humans prior to the Intended Destruction but some Engineers wanted them to DESTROY all Human Creations.

Anyway to CUT this Short.... the Elders inform Dr Shaw that NOW that Mankind can Travel the Stars, have Discovered LV-223 and have Created Synthetics then they have to DESTROY it all....  and that Mankind Survives on this Paradise but also on other Worlds they Visit so HUMANITY would not be KILLED just those who are Space Fairing and a Threat...

Dr Shaw pleads... she asks them to GO to Earth and Visit them... send someone down to TRY and show us a BETTER WAY... the Engineer say they had Sent Down Emissaries in the Past but many were IGNORED and Crucified.

Anyway we see Dr Shaw is Very Upset.. she discovers some Truth about her Faith..... she understands the Engineers point of View though....  and David sees she is UPSET and he is also Concerned about the Engineers plans for him as they DONT trust him...

He Discovers the Engineers are Concerned her Faith could effect the Races on this Planet and they are likely going to use the SOUL DEVICE on Dr Shaw to Erase some of her Memory/Faith.

Concerned with the Engineers Potential Plans he UNLEASHES HELL on the Engineers.... to Protect Himself... but he Claims that he did it for Dr Shaw and to SAVE the Earth...   The END of the Idea we see some Survivors and Horrors and David has taken Dr Shaw with the Engineers Mind Transfer/Control Device and wishes to LEAVE...   Dr Shaw says he has DESTROYED Paradise... but David says he can take her to another Paradise and they can RULE over it with Dr Shaws Faith

This was just some Rough Nuts/Bolts of the Plot.. i had not 100% come to a Definite way to do it as i had ideas of Changing some stuff here and there.

But in Context to the OT...

Then WHY cant their be other Worlds with Humans that are FAR away that Mankind only Discover say in the Year 2250

Yeah, in Sci-Fi just about anything is possible. Thank goodness for that! Indeed, a lot of sci-fi is probable.

But humans won't go to Saturn or Jupiter. It would really serve no useful purpose. The environs there are filled with deadly radiation. Robots maybe, but not humans. Space is a great place for robots.

It's reckoned that a vast array of the most powerful lasers on Earth could send a probe the size of a postage stamp to Proxima Centauri within a human lifetime. By any realistic measure, sending colonists would be a journey time of thousands of years. Ain't gonna happen. In any case, if anyone was daft enough to do that, their ship would be overtaken by advances in technology decades or centuries after they left the Earth. Humans evolved to live on this rock and that's where we'll stay.

Incidentally, with enough power and dedication, you could travel to the other side of the Galaxy within a lifetime, or even to a distant galaxy billions of years distant. But you wouldn't be travelling faster than light. Time dilation means that you and your clocks would run slow. You could arrive on a distant world, but you'd have to brace yourself for the fact that everyone back home is long dead, and even the Earth itself might have reached the end of its life.

"And remember - airplanes cannot fly - this is impossible according to all the data and ideas about the world before 1993-12-17". Nay, nay, nay. Leonardo da Vinci was designing flying machines in the 15th century!

"A trillion dollar company has to rely on space truckers and colonists to find their Perfect Organism"

I think that is a Valid Point as Certainly if you wanted to OBTAIN a Specimen then you would send something more like the USCSS Patna.  Something to remember though is that Special Order 937 and ASH came from Walter Hill and David Giler and their Draft (one of them) changed the Starbeast Plot to that the Organism was a Bio-Weapon that was Created by the Company and they SET the Beacon to TRAP a Ship to investigate to TEST their Bio-Weapon.   Maybe this could be the case especially if the Company are RAN by A.I

I think prior to the Prequels then the Space Truckers approach worked because it would seem THEY (Company) knew only a LITTLE about the Organism.

With the Prequels and EVEN if we had ignored AC, and so the Company would KNOW that LV-426 is related to what was on LV-223 then it makes LITTLE sense to send in the Nostromo to get a Specimen.

"The furthest we’ll ever get is Mars, and that would be a stretch"

Who knows what the Future would BRING at the moment then the Speed of Light is a Barrier that maybe WILL NEVER be broken...

I THINK and its UNLESS we all KILL each other or are Wiped out by something ELSE.  That we will Gradually expand out into Space... Mars, Moons of Saturn and Jupiter, FAR out Space Stations... Gradually to closer Systems only ONCE we get Space Ships that are HUGE and especially if we Create some kind of Cryo-Sleep...

It wont be NO lets go 40LY in 2  Years... it be more like a 5 LY in say 50-100 Years but EVENTUALLY we may get to this point....

The LIMITATIONS of Breaking the FTL barrier are what will RESTRICT the Galaxy we can Explore...

But in Regards to SCI-FI then all this GOES out of the Window ;)  So they can show anything really.

Really Nice.... its Stood the TEST of Time

However - FTL is more realistic than warp (magic), teleportation (science-magic) or "bending space like a sheet of paper" (moronic bs from mostly 70-90s TV shows).

And remember - airplanes cannot fly - this is impossible according to all the data and ideas about the world before 1993-12-17. That's what I want to say - science doesn't tolerate dogmas and authorities.

Nah. FTL isn’t a thing. Never will be. It’s a basic tenet of physics that information - or indeed anything else - cannot be sent faster than c. That’s true now and it will be true in 200 years. FTL is for the movies.

If I were God, the last thing I would do is design a universe where dumb space monkeys called humans would be permitted to go marauding across the cosmos. The furthest we’ll ever get is Mars, and that would be a stretch.

BlackAnt wrote:

"David did not wipe them all out…he may have wiped out an older outpost of theirs; but, one of many."

I agree with this. I'd think there are trillions of Engineers living among the galaxies.

Given a thousand years humans will have spread to hundreds of galaxies.

Once civilians get FTL for their personal space craft then the galaxy will be swarming with idiots.

There are billions of personal automobiles on the road today. 200 years from now, it'll be billions of personal starships. The galaxy will be polluted....a A Walmart in orbit around a billion systems.

"LIKELY been to other Galaxies"

Yeah, that's the angle i'd go with.

Have the Engineers trying to stop the alien menace from destroying this galaxy. Have them display a map of the local galaxy cluster and show the path of the pathogen and how many galaxies have fallen.

Leto wrote:

"1. Conspiracy, corporate greed, the use of Aliens as a bio-weapon - all this must be abandoned. Let it die with the X-Files era."

This!

A trillion dollar company has to rely on space truckers and colonists to find their Perfect Organism.

Weyland-Yutani "Did you find any aliens?!"

Space truckers "Were not telling"

Weyland-Yutani "Dammit! Okay then.... Pretty please? Pay raises?"

It's like Exon Mobile relying on hikers and fishermen to find their oil locations.

That is amazing! With practical pieces like this, it would be nice to see them used in future films. 

Thanks for sharing!