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What if WY is under investigation and their assets are frozen?..The Earth's governments have finally caught up to W-Y's double dealing!

Be cool to see Weyland-Yutani on the run.

Muthur is told to hide the Sulaco.

@Leto

I do agree with what you said about how that to Continue after AR with a Ripley 8 would be something that Fans may not be willing to see, because of HOW it was that AR was really viewed as being the Worse of the Quadrilogy and i think Fans would NOT want to see a Continuation as some maybe dont see Ripley 8 as Ripley, some also would want it to have to be or at least include the Queen more than we saw in AR.

I think AC leaves us in a similar Boat as in most Fans want NO-PART in the David Creator Plot or a Movie where the Xenomorph takes a Back Seat to other Elements at play.

But i dont see that doing a Bring Back Human Ripley is the way to go... its merely a Fan-service and could lead to a CASH GRAB!

There are other AVENUES to go and give us a ALIEN Movie and indeed a Alien V does-not have to be about Ripley or Ripley 8 or even LV-426.

Would DISNEY have Confidence they can give us another Place where the Xenomorphs are Encountered without having to FEEL they have to bring in Ripley?  Are they Confident the Xenomorph on its OWN would SELL?

The other Problem is then making a Movie where you maybe have to be Careful to NOT go and Tread on the Toes of the Prequels and make a Mockery of those....

So as i have said a FEW weeks ago... then YES you can Discover the Xenomorphs again.... but as FAR as to HOW LONG they had been on a World, or their Origin then you just DONT answer that....  so that the Prequels are neither Tarnished or Cemented as the Origin.

But EVEN then.... so you go to another WORLD or another SHIP... and we get Eggs... its a case of WHAT NEXT?

Especially if you DONT go over anything to Indicate as to WHEN the Xenomorph came to be... be that in Favor or the Post 2093 Time-Line or Prior....

Unfortunately as far as Theatrically there is JUST as much Chance you would Damage the Franchise more with another Movie or Prequel.... than if you just WALKED AWAY... and LEFT what is Unanswered as it is.

@BlackAnt

Certainly as Time goes on then pulling off GOOD CGI will improve... it is HARD to get Human Skin/Texture correct and some Efforts are better than Others.

Even in more Recent Years we have seen some NOT so Good Efforts.

Final Fantasy 2001

I think this was Spectacular for being Produced 20 Years ago compared to CGI at the Time, Jurassic Park was Great Too, but replicating REAL Human Texture etc is more Difficult.

With SW Rogue One then Tarkin was not BAD but still NOT there as far as being a Near Perfect Replica.

With Blade Runner 2049 then the STILL shots of Racheal are Nearly there.... the Animation Part shows that Progress has been MADE.   Overall a Very Passable Effort

I thought that the De-Aged Kurt Russell (Guardians of the Galaxy) was Very Impressive.

Regarding the EDIT Feature...

Yeah its something that Happens in the News Section compared to being FINE in the Forums.

I actually liked Walter as a character.

AVP galaxy has a podcast where they interviewed Alan Dean Foster about his novelization of AC. You can listen to the interview here (episode 51 I think):

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/podcasts/

//www.alien-covenant.com/topic/45367&page=2

In the interview it seems that Foster says that he's allowed to fix things that he says could be better and hopes that those in charge allow those things to be left in (about 40 minutes in the interview). Everything that he changed in the book of AC weren't allowed to be in but enough so that he felt satisfied with the novel. Since I haven't read the book I can't comment on what's in it but it seems that the novel is better than the movie, but that's just my opinion.

Please not a movie with many Davids, that would be boring. Sorry Big Dave

@Leto

Everyone has and are Entitled to their Own Opinions ;)

I am maybe in the same BOAT as RS in regards to seeing the Xenomorph has been SHOWN quite a lot across different Formats, and as far as THEATRICALLY i think its Reputation had been Downgraded...   

I think some of Alien Resurrection can be Blamed for that, but also the AVP Movies too, NOT to mention AC!

Prior to AC then it was kept a Mystery as to the Xenomorph, certainly a bit more prior to the Prequels.

I just feel if you KEEP going back to the Xenomorph then its going to NEED a Good Story to be Told than LOOK! we Founds Eggs/Queen.

You could maybe have tried to UPLIFT them in another Movie.... but the Prequels seemed to GIVE us that we are merely dealing with a Engineered Biological Organism, or ONE that is a Consequence of Biological Warfare.

I think that YES you can go back to the Xenomorph but i am NOT so sure How Many times you can go over and over the same Incarnation/Agenda as we have seen in the Franchise.  I think some Movies had introduced NEW things that could be Worth Exploring...

But sometime maybe CHANGE is not Good... and sticking to the IF IT BROKE! then Dont Fix it Mantra will NOT work if you Churn Out the same PLOT and same Adaption of a Egg Laying Monster who has the Instinct to Survive and Procreate like some kind of Advanced Space Termite!

I think the MORE you continue with that then after you have seen so MUCH of the Egg Laying, Face Hugging, Chest Bursting and Snarling/Killing then you do RISK the Beast becoming COOKED...

Some Fans may enjoy this.... thats not to say they are NOT wrong...

I just think with Revelations about the Xenomorph being merely a Engineered Organism or the Result of connected Biological Warfare....  then it DOES really LIMIT what is NEXT...

Unless we EVOLVE the Beast, make some Changes... you dont have to Deter too FAR from the Default Version.

Of course prior to the Prequels we could all WONDER what was the Xenomorph!

1) Some Creation of the Space Jockey?  Then Eventually we have to look at WHY and what was the Space Jockeys intention with it.

2) Some pre-existing Organism the Space Jockey merely are attempting to USE like the W-Y Company are.  Then you have to ASK as to WHEN they was Encountered and IF there is more to Gain from them than to KILL stuff.

IF you had gone for a Pre-Existing Organism... then i think there is NOT much you can do if its Portrayed as only going around to Obtain a Queen, then SET-UP a Hive and Survive.... AKA Space Termites...

You would have to EVOLVE/UPLIFT them more than merely that...

Sadly with the Prequels that SHIP seems to have SAILED!

But i think that AR had shown some Potential to show that Experiments could lead to a Evolution....  look at Planet of the Apes and how mere Apes had became what they did because of Experiments...  So you could UPLIFT them that way.

The Prequels open up the Question of WHAT had predated those Experiments or the Black Goo that Predated our Xenomorph.  So you could explore something NEW that you can see a Connection, and then be left to see that MAYBE the Xenomorph could be Experimented with to HARNESS more than a Egg Laying Invasive Species.

I have NO real Objection to going back to Eggs... i think if you do it RIGHT you could have a Few more Runs... before i think you have to Change things a bit...

I do Object to the NEED to bring back Human Ripley and RETCON any other Movies.

No more Ripley -agreed.

I want a sequel to Alien Covenant instead.

I would probably focus on the Weyland company. Ripley would be in it but her role would be reduced because she has already had a big role in Aliens even though alien was not about her. The threats would be the Xenos and the company that are trying to weaponize these things even though things go wrong in its attempt and people die. Not sure if it would only be people that work for WY or if it would be people in general. You have got to keep some mystery about WY so I would not show everything. Cameron showed some of it in the extended edition of Aliens but I think that you could show some more without telling everything about it.

I think that Hox is right when he says that we should leave A3 and AR alone.

No thanks, they ended Ripley just fine in Alien 3. I do not know how you could top that and also even though the prequels have been disappointments it doesn't mean that it is a good thing to bring Ripley back. Leave Ripley alone if you shall do another movie. There has got to be a way to make something new and also no thanks to another David movie. By the way, those Xenos look really effing bad.

"And if you do, then you have to watch AR before AR2. Is there a torture that is worse and unpleasant?"

Being forced to watch AVPR would be worse I would say.

No thanks to another Ripley and no to more Androidism.

Interesting, it just shows that Scott gives Lindelof and Spaights problems when it comes to the writing and how many dumb decisions that were made, but it is still interesting. This also shows that we could have had a better movie but it went downhill.

 Could we please have the edit feature turned on for this post so we can make any corrections. Our goal is to communicate interesting ideas not be punished to edit everything in another program then transfer to the post. Please turn on the edit features. You can edit your post in the other sections why not this one....it makes no sense....shaking angry fist in the air!!! I want my video game quarter back!

Bollocks!

We get it only some people get to edit their posts!

@BigDave

Interesting points for sure on what treatments might work best and for the sake of continuity, preserving that legacy is important. Is it the most important thing if we get much better films here on out? Very tough questions indeed.

I would like to few more interesting facts about how these newer CGI renders are going to not only cheaper in the future but absolutely necessary.

When understanding computer graphics and animation it is best to look at the new unreal engine for what lays ahead in this hyper realistic animated future.

Renders are not animated for 8k texture environments that is the first thing. So when done right they do look more than human.

When we think about animating humans they will come up with a program that mimics the outline of the bone structure, the muscles that sit on the bones, and finally the layers of flesh over the muscles. I think we all have a misconception here that once you make a program that works to create all the outward functions of what you might see the cost to recreate or make an entirely new actor become far less than paying actors millions of dollars to star in a role. 

Just for right now lighting an actors facial expression in composites is technically challenging for computer programs; but, not so much the physics for making what is underneath that animation to take a another live actor and trace their movements to what you see rendered by the computer simulation overlays.

I suggest everyone take peek into the future at this Youtube video explaining Unreal Engine 5. Because when you mix a physics engine for transferring movements into a computer program that will animate that actor completely the last things to consider might be lighting....and I think they have it solved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC5KtatMcUw

Imagine the physics engine for all the parts that simulate humans, another program transferring movements into the phyics engine, and then render program measuring light in the shot overlaying that onto the highly pixel mapped composite to form a three layer deep fake...but a deep fake that takes place a decade from now. 

One actor has the dots on them doing the movement. The next physics animation program does the overlay of the flesh, then a very advanced computer does the lighting to form a three layer deep fake....everyone the lighting you see in the Unreal 5 engine is run on a PS5. Imagine what happens when you use real computing power that movie studio's have.....1000 servers. 20 years ago Lukas was using buildings full of servers to render his composites into the final animations for the Star Wars films. From what I understand it 50,000,000 dollars worth of servers at the time.

Jan. 26, 2007 5:40 p.m. PT,

The data center, which is housed on a lower level of the Letterman Digital Arts Center where Lucasfilm is headquartered, opened its doors in 2005 as Lucas was moving much of that empire to San Francisco's Presidio, a former army base in the shadow of the Golden Gate Bridge, from its previous home across the bay in San Rafael.

Clark said that he expects that number to double within the next month.

And with a host of projects in the pipeline, including Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End, Evan Almighty, the next Harry Potter film, Transformers and more, it's important that Clark and his team keep up with the company's computing needs.

"There's a large R&D effort that drives much of the this," he said, "based on the goals of the projects."

Beyond the 198 Verari servers, the center also sports row after row of "legacy" servers, including racks of 65 Angstrom Microsystems servers.

"It doesn't take long to turn legacy," Clark said. "Sometimes it's only six to seven months before we're moving on to the next technology."

That Ureal 5 engine simulation you see in the Youtube clip runs on one PS5!!!!!!! not 50 million worth of server rendering capabilities running billions of narrow AI's to do the composites for flesh and muscles transferred from another actor moving around.

In ten years you should be able to do all of this for few hundred thousand dollars and make highly detail live action animated actors real or ones from our past.

>>>I think IF you want to Carry on with a Ripley.... then the Ripley 8 Arc is the way to GO!

Theoretically, it is possible to make a film chronologically after AR. This is a normal way of development. But to do a sequel to AR? It sounds like an attempt to kill the business before it starts.

No one will go to watch a film with a reputation - “sequel of AR”.

Because for this you have to accept AR as a mandatory part of the franchise. And if you do, then you have to watch AR before AR2. Is there a torture that is worse and unpleasant?

>>>Has Walter Hill stuck with the Vanillamorph?

>>>stuck

Yes I know! Some another generic monster will be better, just because it is something new! We need to be blind and praise everything new.

There is an idea even better - to create a film where all aliens are replaced by humanoids! Down with strange shapes! Praise deep ideas instead!

P.S. What wrong with xenomorph? why don't you like xenomorph so much? It seems like an obsession with someone else's point of view. If Ridley has prejudices against the xenomorph - this is his right, but this does not mean that he is right.

The harsh truth is that his opinion has no more weight than the opinion of any other person.

hox

John Connor.

It makes more sense to retcon after Alien. This is the first instance of Ripley sleeping.

She is asleep and still adrift as we speak.

Certainly ;)

I think we need to LET GO of the Xenomorph it is what it is (Engineered Creation or Bi-Product of a Failed Bio-Weapons Division).

There are other HORRORS that are Connected to the same eventual Origin of the Xenomorph...

There is a Wealth of Concepts and Fan-Art that can be Inspiration for something a bit more Different...

And NOT to Forget the Ideas that HR Giger had... and what NEVER made it into the Franchise from STARBEAST...

There is a INCEPTION point to those Engineers Experiments that are connected to the Horrors of Prometheus and Alien Covenant.

While the Xenomorph may seem to be Degraded.... i think instead of TRYING to Revolve around it and UPLIFT it....

It has a Distant Origin... it came from SOMETHING!

At some point LV-223 would have had NO Outposts... did it HOWEVER have some Native Organism?  Or even IF-NOT there is a Precursor to those Experiments and the Black Goo.

So there is something you can do to Introduce something ELSE that you can UPLIFT to the Starbeast.... that can be TRACED as the Source to it all.

You could take these by HR Giger and come up with a Fresh Take on those ORIGINAL designs.

Regarding the use of CGI...

Then improvements are made every Year... in 10 Years Time and with a BIG BUDGET then you could Resurrect any Character from a Movie Franchise and you would NOT really be able to tell they are CGI.

At the MOMENT... its Expensive Per Minute.... if its DONE right then Yeah! it looks Great.... if its NOT then it can look a Bit Wonky......  any use of CGI is best used in SMALL amounts....

To have a Ripley in CGI to look 30 Years Younger and for her to Feature in say 60%+  of the Movie would be VERY EXPENSIVE to get Right....

As years go by it would become Easier and Cheaper though.

It would be INTERESTING to see HOW much Different this is than Blomkamps Idea....   It seems that Blomkamp may have given us a Alternative Sequel to ALIENS thats set 20+ Years latter.  But it would appear he would give NO REASON for Alien 3 and Alien R.. it would be like Accepting a Alternative Direction.

With Walter Hills idea it appears they will SHOW that Alien 3 and Alien R are just NIGHTMARES...

The BIGGEST Problem i have with this Direction is it is in essence a RETCON.... and ONCE you have Disney go this route then you have TWO very Problematic Scenarios.

1) The Movie Bombs!  Then its a case of WHERE to do we go then?  The only Option would be to STICK it away for another 10-20 Years and do a Complete REBOOT!

2) The Movie is a HIT.... then its a case of Disney could then just go and RETCON whatever they wanted to in the Franchise.... Prequels.. oh NEVER happened...  ALIEN.. lets remake it with CGI Ripley!

The TAGLINE is also a Concern for me...

"A Dream within a Dream"

Whats that MEAN? they could use this to make even ALIEN just  a Dream!

The Biggest Question would be in WHAT kind of Guise will come our Xenomorph Threat?  Has Walter Hill stuck with the Vanillamorph?

IF NOT... then its a case of IF it gets the Green Light would DISNEY want them to NOT steer to FAR from what Fans are Accustomed to Aesthetically.

While the Prequels are a Touchy Subject and are in a Sticky Situation...  

I think that YES give another ALIEN Movie is a Good Idea, but i DONT think you have to go for the Alien 3 and Alien R had NEVER happened and BRING BACK our Ripley!

The Topic i made the other week ALIEN: GAMMA was in light of this News about essentially making a ALTERNATIVE sequel to ALIENS and my Topic was to look at lets say if we could have taken a Different Direction after ALIENS back in the 90's then WHAT would you do?

But none the less.... the idea i had for ALIEN: GAMMA is something that they could still go with, as far as the NUTS/BOLTS and simply do-not have Ripley.

2179 saw TWO Major Events in the Franchise..

1) The Destruction of Hadleys Hope.

2) The Death of Ripley via Sacrifice to prevent the Company from Obtaining a Xenomorph.

What is the STATUS of the Derelict on LV-426 after the Destruction of Hadleys Hope?

IF its a Total No Go!.... then WHY would it seem that LV-426 was the ONLY place for the Xenomorph? If this is NOT the case then again THIS is other Avenues to Explore.

I see NO Reason for a RETCON other than to RUN out of Ideas and think that you have to give the Fans the Xenomorph and RIPLEY in order to make $$$$$$

But $$$$ is all that Matters and Fan-service Sells and this WILL be the Direction that DISNEY would take (if any).

I think IF you want to Carry on with a Ripley.... then the Ripley 8 Arc is the way to GO!  A Proper Chronological ALIEN V.

Apart from the T800?

Remind me, which character from T2 did Cameron kill off in Dark Fate?

hox

>>>Cameron was devastated when his carefully crafted characters were just snuffed out in an instant.

Yes, but that’s literally what he did (or approved) in Dark Fates with his characters, for the sake of sjw-scum agenda. Therefore, I think that he destroyed this myth about himself. This is not the same Cameron who filmed Aliens.

 @Leto

Great post. It has been a while since I saw those two films so yeah it is hard to keep up with every detail that is important when considering retcon for new canon.

Alien 3:

- Unknown origin of ovomorphs.

- Unknown number of facehuggers.

- Strange changes in facehugger's design (AC version)

- Changing the design of cryopods.

- Ripley's hallucinations.

- Sudden Michael Bishop - Android creator, and also he looks like an android.

- Ripley's latest report from Nostromo, at the end of the film.

These and many other questions have no answers. And some answers are far-fetched.

A large number of mistakes and inconsistencies, also meaningless changes - really create a somewhat surrealistic perception of the film.

Cryosleep nightmare? Rather - a delusional dream.

The same with Alien Resurrection - the story is more logical and has no strong mistakes, but the visual style doesn't allow one to doubt the illusion of what is happening.

Thus, two stories have loopholes to exclude them from the canon and moving to cryonightmares category.

I think if any thing is done in the right way it could be a great film. Bringing Ripley back not so sure how I feel about that just yet.

I like the idea of Weaver taking on that role again....however she is much older now and just does not look anything like she used to because of her advanced age. 

I really enjoyed the sequel to to Blade Runner but I did not like the seeing Harrison Ford at almost 80 years old reprise his role of Decard. I still enjoyed the film very much in almost every respect and I think its one of the better science fiction films because of the great acting and special effects. Every frame of Blade Runner 2049 is pure eye candy. 

The character of Ripley would have the same effect on me I feel unless they have a very good plot device for her advanced age. Weaver is 70 with really good make up she might pass for 50 not sure. 

While we are here discussing this I would like to bring up a very important aspect of Blade Runner 2049. No spoilers of course but the movie has been out for three years now. 

When I saw the scene with Rachel I thought they had a very close look alike actress playing Rachel. I had no idea Rachel is all highly detailed composites, layers, and computer animation. Let me back up a little her face is computer generated the body under neath the computer generated head is that of real actor.

What I am getting at is that I have no doubt in as little as ten years we will get these actors that starred in movies years ago and they will be fully rendered from AI and we will not be able to tell they are not real. 

The animated Rachel in Blade Runner 2049 is just one of the newer techniques they are using now to get these passable CGI representations that look like real human beings. 

I really do not care about actors and how they are used to make art. All I care about is the art....we know these are make believe created worlds....so the fact they are starting to make the actors and perhaps actors that never existed is a very interesting concept.

I am not sure how an audience watching an Alien film 20 years from now might see a younger Ripley and not be able to tell any difference that it is a computer generated actor. I do not believe it makes any difference. Art is art and so I do not want to judge others crafts and skills....all I know is I like it very much. I have come back to the scene of Rachel a few times in the past couple of years and each time even though I know she is not real I feel she is....if you have not seen the movie please do and enjoy. You are missing out on the what the future holds possible by limiting your horizons for this very real future. It is going to happen no matter what so we should embrace the good when and were we can.

I do not care if they RETCON Alien 3, and 4. 

Of course I am going to go for the ride like every other Alien fan.

What do I think of Alien 3 and Resurrection being hypersleep nightmares? Brilliant! Because I had the same idea myself a while back, ha ha.

Let’s face it, Alien 3 was a sorry end for Ripley, and the sequel was a dreary uninspired letdown. It would be for the best if they turned out to be bad dreams. In fact the CGI explosion at the end of Resurrection is so bad, that a shabby dream can be the only logical explanation of events!

Cameron was devastated when his carefully crafted characters were just snuffed out in an instant. It would be great to see them back again.

Plus, there’s still room to explore the Engineer Universe so I have my fingers crossed for both story arcs to continue.

ALIEN V can start from Ripley waking up at the Space Station, and it's really been 57 years. 

I'm with ya Big Dave, I would love to see more of the unused LV-223 concepts explored and fleshed out.

Swiss Made is kind of strange, but the early Giger work and how it showed up in  Alien is definitely there.

Substite Burke with Hill and Ripley with Sigourny with the OP and enjoy! Sorry- cannot imbed but the vid is only about two minutes long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaqCe6jQboA

https://www.artstation.com/munk

This is the Artist.

Absolutely the Art and Aesthetic that HR Giger had brought to the Franchise is ONE of the Major Reasons it was so ICONIC and DIFFERENT.

We have to thank Dan O'Bannon for showing Ridley Scott the Works by HR Giger.... if it was NOT for that then our ALIEN would have LOOKED so much Different.

Slightly Off-Topic

The Imagine in the BANNER was the Earlier Concept for the ALIEN i would love to had seen this Design Used... maybe if we go to Explore what Predated the LV-223 Experiments.

And THUS introduce the Starbeast.

When i look at these Concepts..

It gives me the IDEA that you could have a EGG thats Large, that from this we have a Smaller Octopus/Squid like Organism that then Grows to like those Concepts...

The HR Giger Concept in the Banner looks similar (Head Does) so maybe as the Creature Grows to ADULT the Tentacles will Mature into a Body, Legs and Arms.  Yet a Beast that also has 4 Tentacles.

something like this as the STARBEAST i think could Work... You dont have Chest Busters... it does HOWEVER need a HOST to EGG/COCOON Morph.

Maybe the Starbeast can Implant something into a Host that would Result in a Chest/Back Buster that they USE to Carry Out Certain Tasks for their Species.

                                                      Alien 3

                                                       1990

Summary: The Sulaco is found drifting in deepspace, twenty lightyears from Earth and a week late, the USM Conestoga is sent to investigate. It finds the Sulaco without power and has been infested with what they think are maggots? The floors and ceilings are inches deep in a slime like mold. The mold has eaten into crucial Sulaco systems, causing the ship to stall. The mold has started to attack the cryochambers, successfully infiltrating Newts and bishops. Newt is hit hard, she is badly bloated,  the maggots have entered her nose, mouth...later they find, attached to her brain stem, you can see them crawling under skin. The marines rescue the remaining Hyper-Sleep Pods and set up a quarantine aboard the Conestoga. They find the Sulaco’s dropship is covered with the microscopic plague.

In a race to heal Newt, MUTHER and Weyland Yutani each recommend returning to LV-426 to find a cure. Hicks agrees, this is alien and Earth knows nothing about it. Bishop also thinks this is the correct course of action...Ripley will do whatever it take to cure Newt!

They locate the derelict. Bishop powers it up(with help from another synthetic), they download it’s knowledge base. Weyland Yutani want to fly the juggernaut back to Earth for study. They find a the cure for Newt, she is on the mend.

Ripley, Hicks and Bishop eventually destroy the juggernaut (by releasing it’s stored anti-matter).

Just a quick idea.

TV Series could Work....

Less Risk... but then it depends on Budget...

The more Xenomorph or similar you show the More Budget you NEED else you could get ROPY CGI or Comical Man in Suits.

Unless its Kept to the Shadows like LESS than even ALIEN 3

The ALIEN Franchise has a Wealth of Sub-Plots than just being about Ripley, Queens and Eggs.  Especially in light of Alien Resurrection and Prometheus.

I see it as RS does, well as he had Indicated before.. There is only so much Face Hugging, Chest Popping, Snarling and Egg Laying that you can do.

@Ignorantguy

Yeah looking at it then it could be Possible that she was

"Big Things have Small Beginnings" Indeed there was SCOPE with Prometheus.... The Xenomorph just a Small Part of a Much Bigger Picture.

Something that some ALIEN/ALIENS Fans may be Disappointed about. and SADLY i think the Xenomorph would have been Elevated more if RS had made a Alien 2 or Alien 3....

talking about AVP, as a lot of that Interview seemed to be more Geared towards the Disappointment of that CONCEPT.

But i think regardless the Prequels had caused some Problems as i attempted to Highlight in my previous Post. In that the Direction and Changes are NOT something that pleases EVERYONE but thats the Poisoned Chalice of trying to do a Prequel to ONE of the Most Iconic Franchises in Sci-Fi.

My take on what i think BlackAnt was looking at in Context to RS is as follows.

The Inception:  We had Starbeast which seemed that RS had liked, and this Idea had some Evolving by the Time we get to Production such as Giler and Hills additions.

HR Giger: It seemed that RS was not Happy with the look of the Monster and Sets and after being shown some of HR Gigers work he felt that THIS was what was needed.  And so RS was pleased with the Aesthetic Look that came from HR Giger.

The Derelict: This was a Scene that RS had fought HARD to include because he FELT it was VERY Important to the Story despite its Limited Screen Time.  The Budget Restrictions also meant we had to Can the Pyramid/Egg Silo.  But it came across that RS was VERY pleased with this VERY ALIEN World that was introduced.

Future Plans: It seemed that RS had ideas of where he would take us NEXT, which he had Toyed with going to WHERE the ALIEN was from and also WHY the Space Jockey had those Eggs.  He also seemed like he wanted to ELEVATE the Xenomorph beyond what we saw in ALIEN (One idea was to have it have some more of a Agenda and Intelligence than rely on Survival Instincts).

The Sequel:  By the Time we get to a Sequel, RS was not able to Commit to it and so JC came along with ALIENS, i think that RS was disappointed he could not RETURN to the Franchise and the way that JC had Continued would NOT have been how he would have.  But he did say he had Respect for the Path that movie had taken.

ALIENS had Catapulted the Franchise, Merch, Toys, Comics and Games would be Spawned Out over the NEXT 4-5 Years.

Alien 3: Indeed RS seemed to be wanting to RETURN to the Franchise, it seemed that JC was not so Interested.  It appears that RS would have wanted to go to WHERE the Xenomorph came from and WHY the Space Jockey had used them.  While Cameron would have then maybe done a 4th Movie that would RETURN to Ripley, Newt and Hicks.

I would Assume that RS felt there was a way to Rescue what he thought about the Xenomorph and NO-ONE had Explored their Origin and Connection to the Space Jockey and WHERE they both came from.  It seemed he Felt you could UPLIFT the Xenomorph beyond being Space Ants.

With Word that the STUDIO was going to do a AVP Cross-Over then RS would have been Concerned this would PORTRAY the Xenomorph in a Different Light and TARNISH what Representation he had in Mind...  so this is maybe WHY he walked away.

AVP: By the Time we got to a Eventual AVP, its key to Remember the Xenomorph had been shown MANY Times in Comics and Games etc, where the Portrayal was maybe Very Different to what he would have Explored.  There was Talk about himself and James Cameron returning to the Franchise, but the STUDIO decided to go with AVP.

It seemed RS had LOST interest at this point and saw the Xenomorph as something that had been Portrayed in a way that he Felt could not be Rescued to maybe his Plans.  He certainly saw that the Xenomorph had been Done Over and Over and after AVPR well it became a bit of JOKE.

The Prequels: When they had decided they Wanted another ALIEN Movie, it had Evolved to a Point of doing a PREQUEL, because NO-ONE had ever  Explored the Space Jockey, or the Xenomorph Origins and WHAT was the Space Jockey doing with that Cargo?

The Xenomorph Idea now Firmly seen as a Form of Biological Warfare/Terror (RS had indicated he saw it as this quite a WHILE before the Prequels).

So its ROLE is Reduced compared to what RS would have likely had GAVE US if he had made ALIEN 2 or ALIEN 3

So as it was a Biological Weapon/Terror then RS had to come up with WHY would the Space Jockey have such a THING and HOW...

The Engineers Plot: So the Engineers were BORN the Greater Plot about a Ancient Race who are Involved in Genetic Manipulation and Creation, even as FAR as being Responsible for Humanity.  Who at a Certain Point became UPSET, Disappointed and Concerned with some of their Creations and then BEGAN doing Experiments and Engineering to Create a Weapon to Punish and Eradicate Species... the Engineered Xenomorph being ONE such Experiment.

Prometheus: It seemed likely that after Alien Engineers they would have likely gone on to Explore the Engineers in any Sequel as this is something that is NOT covered, and HELD some Mystery as to WHO they are and WHY they do what they do and WHAT else have they Created.

So those working on the Project had Decided that Actually the Engineers Plot is BIGGER and something you can Expand on ONCE you have Answered WHERE/HOW/WHEN the Xenomorph came to be.  And that we have already seen the Xenomorph in Every Movie so FAR and that the other Parts of Alien Engineers are more Important to Evolve.

And so Prometheus was Born!

At this POINT it seems that RS felt the Xenomorph had been done over and over and is Merely just ONE Horrific Experiment or Consequence of those Horrors on LV-223.  And that there was MORE regarding the PLOT that led to the Xenomorph and more to the Engineers to Explore and so they could GO OFF and Steer Away from the ALIEN and LV-426

At this POINT we have Ridley Scott who sees that there was NOT much you could do with the Xenomorph and to keep some Mystery as ONCE you show HOW/WHEN the Xenomorph got onto the Derelict then your left with ALIEN on-wards.

He Felt there was much more to the Engineers Plot that could be Expanded on and other THEMES that could be Explored in a SPIN-OFF.

Regarding Alien Covenant i will come to that after, but it seems this was NOT the direction that RS had intended. So was at this point their a bit of Sabotage to Diminish the Xenomorph further?

MAYBE... but that Plot did FIT with the Themes of Prometheus.

"Big Things have Small Beginnings" Indeed there was SCOPE with Prometheus.... The Xenomorph just a Small Part of a Much Bigger Picture.

Something that some ALIEN/ALIENS Fans may be Disappointed about. and SADLY i think the Xenomorph would have been Elevated more if RS had made a Alien 2 or Alien 3....

"Big Things have Small Beginnings" Indeed there was SCOPE with Prometheus.... The Xenomorph just a Small Part of a Much Bigger Picture.  Something that some ALIEN/ALIENS Fans may be Disappointed about. and SADLY i think the Xenomorph

would have been Elevated more if RS had made a Alien 2 or Alien 3....

At Present it appears that RS felt there was NOT much more you could have done with the Xenomorph compared to what could be Expanded with the other things in Prometheus.  It does seem that he Feels there is NOT much left with the Xenomorph beyond the Reasons of WHY someone would Create.  But he had said if you go to Explore the Beast more then you have to TRY and Change it... EVOLVE it.

BlackAnt  A tv show is most likely the best we can all hope for now...

Agreed. I have advocated this for a long time. It (they) can cover different aspects of the series- Xenos, Engineers, the human element etc. Shows that apeal to different fans but they all like the Alien series. The fan base is very diverse in how it would like to see things advance. It seems impossible to push every body's buttons with a two hour movie. IMO, the IGN Alien Day's shorts proved it. I don't think we need to wait years for a movie while fans chomp at the bit. 

BigDave A Pumpkin Head figure would be great!

While it has some interesting features, I don't like the face much. I wish the Jokermorph would have taken off.

@ignorantGuy

Ridley Scott only returned to the world he created in 1979 with Prometheus, the 2012 Alien movie prequel. "I think it caused more problems than it was worth," Weaver added.

What difference does it make now anyway...whether Weaver said it about AVP or not...you know how much money the last film made at the box office....the studios ultimately lost money on it. Those films have to bring in twice what they were made for to break even on the money spent for production and marketing....here is some math for you.

Alien Covenant brought in 240,000,000 million globally at the box office....this could be do to a lot of things but really the point is that is not worth taking a chance to put up another 100 to 150 million on a big budget film only to make a 40 - 60 million profit....they might easily see a 75 million loss because of the marketing.

There is audio of the interview specifically of the Comicon at London...working on finding that for you...Usually reporters can be sued for liable taking what people say out of context so I firmly believe she said what she said. Even more concerning is that she used to F word to describe the other movies in the franchise which does not speak favorably of her demeanor towards the producers and all the studios involved in making all these films. So no matter what you say now about the MacGuffins pulled on Prometheus and Alien Covenant you don't know what is really happening in these films for sure which is why all the other people on here have been discussing it for years trying to figure it out....we do know one thing is for certain...RS was not happy with the studio cutting the budget on Prometheus...this is all well documented.

Prometheus is a good looking film but it also has some plot holes you could push a galaxy through. Say what every you want. It is doubtful any of the producers or current studio that owns the production rights will take a chance on producing another title when there are so many other more profitable franchises without as much monetary risk.

A tv show is most likely the best we can all hope for now....audience attendance will be significantly down for years to come considering the present health concerns with public theaters just compounding the entire matter of possible 100 million dollar plus film at the box office just that much more.

I like the head, looks pretty scary and reminds me of IT the clown and the Joker 

Giger pairing with Tim Burton would be totally awesome. It would be like Alien in the Wonderland. 

@BigDave .... this quote "I think it caused more problems than it was worth," was said it regard to AVP not Prometheus... read the full quote. Let's not argue about what was not said

Its a decent attempt... does remind me a bit of PUMPKIN HEAD though ;)