Certainly who knows to WHAT EXTENT the Engineers Technology and Power was....

Are they GONE... is this all LOST?

I think you could not Comprehend what Technology a Race that has been around for Millions of years would have ;)

The Inception of the Engineers to when we got to Alien Engineers had Revealed them to Perceive things that our Eyes/Minds cant see.... with the Aim to Expand to Multiple Dimensions.

Indeed the idea was to make our Engineers to FIT the scale of the Space Jockey and be 15ft Tall..... they could have used some Special Effects to PULL that off...

But they chose NOT too... leaving us with 8ft Engineers.

I think Certainly when we CAST ourselves back to ALIEN and you see Derelict, the Pilot Room, the Pilot and even the Egg Cargo Hold....

You would NOT have Fathomed that the Revelation of this Species are Humanoids who Dwell in Ancient Cities like we had on Earth during the ROMAN Era....

But it FITS with the Ancient Astronaut and Chariots of the Gods Plot!

If we have a Species that have a Hierarchy then these at the TOP of the Chain may want to Restrict the Technology of their own Species and their Creations so that the ELITE can RULE over them with more Control.

But surely YES you would have to go and look at WHY would they have such Advanced Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic in some Cases and NOT in others..... so YES eventually you would have to TAKE us to a more Bio-Mechanical World where the ELITE would have HELD their Council.

However..... i think MOST of the Fans wishing to see more of the Engineers in regards to a Engineer World would have wanted to see more of that Bio-Mechanical Aspect....

I think Planet 4 was toned down too much in that Context.... certainly Earlier Concepts indicate that the World had much more of that HR Giger Aesthetic.

I think if we saw a RETURN of the Engineers then most of us would want to see the more Bio-Mechanical look and i think EVENTUALLY then the Fans (majority) would want to go to another WORLD that is VERY HR GIGER.... I know in Part its a Disappointment that we did not get this in a sequel to Prometheus.

With the idea i proposed it was a case of the World that was Discovered is NOT a Engineer World as per say but another Seeded World like Earth was... where the Engineers would come and go.... and a Few Engineers would remain to Watch Over this Worlds Civilization and so they would NOT keep their Advanced Bio-Mechanical Cities there.

So its pretty much like with Prometheus... if the Engineers had Visited us over and over, they surely would have had the Ability to Build some Advanced Bio-Mechanical Structures and Technology on Earth.... but that seems to NOT be the case... so its looking at the Reason for WHY NOT?

I think the Prequels became Problematic because Prometheus did-not give enough Answers or more so it never really had a Replacement for the Xenomorph...

Alien Covenant did.... if you went back and Changed say Alien Covenant you could have had David Create something that was Different to the Xenomorph.. and the Movie would have had TWO Monsters with Attack Scenes that would be more like what we had in the ALIEN Franchise..... 

But all we got was the Space Cobra and Toxic Avenger Zombie Fifield.... so they was NOT really a Good Enough Substitute.....  ok we got the Deacon... but we never saw nothing from it... unlike the Ultramorph from Alien Engineers.

I understand they wanted to CUT back all the ALIENY stuff and they Cut it Back too Much...  I Understand because RS saw the Potential to Expand away from Xenomorphs and ALIEN in a Sequel.

Alien Covenant was a MISTAKE!

In Hindsight you could have had a Mission to LV-223 a more Military/Science Mission... you could have had Fassbender play another ROBOT...

This Movie could have been more like a Alien Engineers, and gave us Monsters, more Clues to WHAT was going on with LV-223.

You have the NEW David and a Team Discover a Juggernaught and detect it was sent a SOS from LV-426 and so all SHIPS went into LOCK-DOWN.

You could then have the Science Division with the Doppelganger pull up the Ships Star-Map and Determine that David and Dr Shaw are off to Find the Engineers...  

They Send Back information to the Company about what lies on LV-426 (precursor to Special Order 937) and then the Doppelganger and Survivors go off to maybe Pursue Dr Shaw and David.

You then can FOLLOW with Dr Shaw and David who arrive at a Engineer World that is Thousands of Light Years away... that maybe takes them MANY MANY years.

You dont have to worry about ALIEN and Steer Away from this...

The Engineer World could have Humans on it as a way to introduce them... its UNLIKELY that Earth is the ONLY such World the Engineers would keep Humans.  So there is MANY ways you could cover what they FIND...

David could even Teach Dr Shaw ways to Communicate with the Engineers on the Journey or you find another Plot Device to allow this..

If things END a bit Rosy for Dr Shaw... well that could ALL go to POT when the other SHIP from LV-223 that has Davids Doppelganger a Scientist and Military Types on it.. and this SHIP rocks up at Paradise.

But ALAS.... what is done is done.... their is a LOT of Damage to try and do some Damage Control..

Yet their is MONEY to be made from the Franchise... I just dont think that has to come down to giving us RIPLEY back... because IF this Movie or Plot either does-not do well and gets SLATED by Fans then the Franchise could have ended up with the FINAL NAIL in the Coffin.

"And do not confuse with my words. I am talking about the LotR and SW trilogy in the context of the guarantee"

I think you misunderstood me ;) Indeed what i was meaning was that Star Wars and LOTR they were Guaranteed to make Money, not they are Successful because they are Popcorn.

With those Movies we also KNEW they was intended to be Trilogy's so the Fans knew they SET-UP for Future Installments, even when ONE would Disappoint like The Last Jedi, the 3rd was Guaranteed to be made because it was to be a Planned Trilogy.

With the ALIEN Franchise this was NOT the case.. each Movie indeed was not LEFT to Guarantee a Sequel.

With Prometheus we saw RS take a similar approach.... but actually that Movie did leave it so OPEN Ended that it did seem to LEND towards a Sequel more than being a Stand Alone...

With Alien Covenant then the idea was to SET-UP a Connecting Series of Movies that will TIE-IN to the Original and so AC does LEND to Needing a Sequel...  so with AC they have indeed set it up to have a Continuation but they have also Wrote themselves kind of into a Corner.

"It seems to me that only you are talking about adding xeno to Prometheus"

I am just talking in General if you had gone back to the Drawing Board... which say is like the early Drafts... The Alien Engineers Draft did seem to Cover Quite a bit more related to the Xenomorph and LV-426 and NOT really Emphasis on the Engineers Back Ground and Philosophy/Creation as much...   This draft did leave us a Few Questions... where you would have more likely HAD to go and Explore where the Engineers came from... what i am saying is IF you had Alien Engineers but then in this you also GAVE MORE away about the Engineers then it leaves you maybe with LESS to explore in a Sequel

Certainly and i NEVER imply that EVERYONE had a Problem that Prometheus did-not give Answers to LV-426 or show the Xenomorph...  Some Fans expected there to be more which maybe accounts for some of the Box Office... but Certainly its NOT what Everyone had a Problem with.. I would NOT go as far as to say that NO-ONE had a Problem though.

My Comment about POSTAL BOB.... is not so much a Critique of that Scene... but that if they was to Explore the Engineers more in a Sequel to Prometheus then i found the other Aspects to be more Interesting than to say see a Sequel where Suited LV-223 Engineers Rock Up with their Xenomorphs or other Horrors purely to KICK ASS!

With Prometheus i was intrigued to Discover more about them than merely the ASPECT of the LV-223 Engineers and a Agenda to go around and DROP some Horror onto Earth.

But i think many Fans would prefer to see more of them as they are SHOWN in the Comics....  Maybe that works... certainly as far as Popcorn Horror Action and that SELLS...

so what i mean is there is MORE to the Predators than wanting to go around the Galaxy looking for the Next Hunt and Trophy....   but that its a case of maybe the Fans would NOT want to go and Delve into the Predators Past Times and Culture beyond THE HUNT.... like do we really want to see Predators Flute Playing etc..

So maybe the SELLING POINT to the Engineers has to be the Aggressive SOB's that we saw on LV-223.  The other Elements to them... as with the Predators Greater Culture is maybe better kept a Mystery to give them that Mystique/Enigma which is something that maybe the Space Jockey has LOST in light of the Prequels.

>>>If you made the First Movie a Bio-Mechanical Advanced World with all the Answers and Engineers Galore then its HOW do you END it.... and then WHAT NEXT?

There is two issues:

1) Reverse "psychology". Show the biomechanical world in the first film and go to the ancient aesthetic in the next.

2) It follows from 1. Prometheus had a stone aesthetic. But the sequel - Covenant too! An uncomfortable question arises - when will you move on to the biomechanical worlds? In the third prequel? In the fourth? Fifth? Sixth? In the art of Covenant there was a biomechanical city. Why was it abandoned? But more importantly - what prevents further abandon biomechanics?

>>>Sometimes you also CANT Fit all your ideas into a SINGLE Movie so you have to By-Pass some, but also leave a Set-Up for others.

Sometimes you really cannot. For example, on technical or runtime issues. But if there are no such obstacles. Moreover - you already have the footage, there are simply no logical excuses.

>>>For Example HOW would you Re-Edit say Prometheus to give us more about the Engineers, but also Throw in the Xenomorph and then SHOW the Space Jockey Event...  And IF you squeezed it all in then WHATS NEXT?

It seems to me that only you are talking about adding xeno to Prometheus. No one has a problem with the lack of a beast in the film. But in general, it was possible to add cut scenes and make some moments (for example, an attack of snakes) more believable.

>>>And IF you squeezed it all in then WHATS NEXT?

Trying to do something new?

What I’m trying to say is that you cannot have one idea for a whole series of films. One idea - one film. Another idea is another film. The third idea is the third film. Do not try to milk one idea over several films. I will say bluntly - this approach is no different from the endless queens, marines and facehuggers, which you mention. Nothing different.

Engless Queens and Ripley = endless promises on of answers, preqeuls, biomechanical worlds. IT'S. ALL. THE. SAME.

>>>IF it Never happens you have a Mystery... i know its NOT what some Fans like who prefer Spoon Fed.... but the GREAT POINT you made is that THIS is not a LOTR or Star Wars.

Mystery. Seriously? In my opinion this is called an unfinished story. 

And do not confuse with my words. I am talking about the LotR and SW trilogy in the context of the guarantee that they will be filmed regardless of the box-office results. Not in the context of a popcorn or answers. I think the difference is obvious.

>>>The ONLY other real Option would be to REBOOT the Prequels and NONE of the Gods and Creation stuff...

If you constantly postpone your ideas and leave the story unfinished, then do not be offended if people “adjust” your work. But what choice do they have?

>>> Not Seeing Body Building Blue Bob going POSTAL on Mr Weyland. 

And this is strange! Because this is Ridley's original vision! This was before Covenant. And no one told Ridley what he should do - he himself decided to show the Engineers how silent athletes who sacrifice themselves, sleep and beat people. I thought that you agree with the point of view of the director...

David understood this - perhaps the Engineers are creating life in space, but they are also aggressive enslavers. Tyrants who do not tolerate "competition" with another species.

BigDave,

I think they are all interrelated specifically by the black goo...what ever the Engineers constructed on the sub atomic scale to make the physics change I can only begin to try and extrapolate it into anything meaningful or relative.

In all honesty anything a million years more advanced than we are would be some "place else" meaning they would not exist in a way would could even detect them for hundreds of thousands of years.

Nor would such an advanced race of beings have any need to mess with anything on a scale of 13.8 billion light years after a big bang.....they are busy doing other things on a much much larger scale of interaction...they have computers and then they have really really big computers! 

I believe the Engineers should not have in any way been depicted as being a million years more advanced. They would have only needed to be 5000 years more advanced and still they would have god like powers compared to what we can do right now with our best tech.

BigDave I know you like good Sci-Fi and this is just a private side note....why are we not all posting brilliant stuff about TENET....I digress though where were we....oh yeah advanced Alien Engineers.

You remember that Star Trek film where Spock has the Red Matter.....its presumably a new form of matter contained by some complicated energy bonds and then just a drop is gravitationaly as powerful as black hole and yet somehow its stable enough to be around it until it comes directly in contact with matter.

Try and imagine these Engineers with Technologies just a few thousand years more advanced than the red matter....so anything they do with a sub atomic field would negate the need for Xenomorph anything. We have to have those plot devices though for obvious reasons.  

I wish RS would have just scaled them up more and made them 20 feet tall. We would have had a better suspension of disbelief and a more interesting visually striking movie than what ever that script writer he used to make the engineers shorter....dont even get me started on some of those useless executives for the budget and not really going with these much taller exotic Engineers....we got some small potatoes stuff in Prometheus...However every frame of the film is great except the script. The Fifield scene was not scary at all and needed some other treatment.

If the Engineers were supposed to be a million years more advanced, when David opens the container and puts a drop on his finger tip and looks at it....the drop would have instantly converted him and everything around him instantaneously sorta like the scene in Alien Covenant when the black goo is aerosolized above the Engineers but only trillions of times faster and with a lot more power as it converts the mass into even nastier stuff.....stuff you should never mess with ever.

We need to get that section up for TENET...all roads lead to back to TENET......To be continued if we can get a new Blog started for it...please do what you can.

I think back to the OT...

Then it shows that there is a lot of Hesitation to Continue the Franchise and a Case of HOW do you do that.

The Prequels being so Divisive among Fans you really are going to STRUGGLE to Continue that and PLEASE all of the Fans... because the Fanbase is so Fractured on what it likes and dislikes.

I think the Prequels had set themselves up for a FAIL with the Boldness of the Engineers Plot as far as their Background and NOT just down to the LV-223 Engineers and the Horrors they was trying to Create.

But it is the Latter Part (LV-223 Dudes and the Biological Horrors) that would be WHAT a lot of the Alien Franchise Fans especially those who like the Games/Comics would want to see.  The Thought Provoking, Philosophical, Chariots of the Gods and all that stuff being a Distraction from well ALIEN and ALIENS etc.

And especially where we are with Alien Covenant i think a Continuation is NOT going to Yield something that SELLS and its NOT going to Yield something that will Please everyone.

On the other Side of the Spectrum if you would then its about the BASICS.... what we mainly see Portrayed in Games, Comics, Aliens, Alien R and AVP etc.

This while being a BIT on the SIMPLE side is what the Franchise is more WELL known about in General and WHAT would make more Money.

I think you see Hill and Giler seeing that any Future Alien Plan would have more Chance of Passing the DISNEY seal of Approval if they GOT back to Basics.

And thus the RIPLEY Movie Plot... where they are bound to bring the Xenomorph back and i would think they would KEEP it Aesthetically the same as we saw in ALIENS or at Least ALIEN.

The ALIEN Movie is Iconic to this DAY.... and ALIENS is a Good Action Continuation... Sadly after this is where things just Went of the Rails a bit....

So the Prequels are in a Pickle... its maybe a FOLLY to Continue... unless you get a REBOOT... but then such a Option could do away with some things that Prometheus Fans Felt had the Chance to Expand and Uplift the Franchise.

So its a CASE of HOW do we do another ALIEN Movie?

It seems that Giler and Hill are playing if SAFE by going for Fan-Service... in a Resurrect Ripley.... AGAIN!

I am NOT really sure you have to RESORT to that though...

There are OTHER WAYS to try and give us a ALIEN Movie that you then can Expand on and Change a few Things and Explore in Sequels...

AGAIN you may NEVER get a Idea that pleases everyone.

Maybe the ALIEN Franchise needs to be LAID to REST?

Theatrically Speaking.

With Respect to your Post... indeed Interesting Stuff.

What i meant was that Aesthetically it Appeared to get more Organic, but INDEED a lot of this may not be the Intention that the Xenomorph from ALIEN to ALIEN 3 for Example has actually became more Organic.. its just how it LOOKED.

It was NOT like Totally Different, it just looked LESS of a Machine than in ALIEN.. but as you said this is NOT to say that it is ANY LESS of a Bio-Mechanical Infusion.

In Alien R then the Supple Differences could be down to being a Hybrid.. maybe...

It would be Interesting to see what is your TAKE on the Deacon, Trillobite and Neomorph... compared to the Xenomorph in Alien and HOW you feel about the Xenomorph from AC which seems to lack that Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic aside from the Head.

Well i think that is some Good Points LETO ;)

If a Director has some Ideas on how to run a Series of Movies say TWO, then i can see the Point that IF you dont show the Ideas in ONE movie you may NEVER see those Ideas.

Particularly if the First Movie does-not make Money, but also there is the Chance that  a Continuation will be made by a Different Director who may COMPLETELY Change what you Planned... Then again the STUDIO can also Force in Changes.

I think we will Differ on HOW we see certain things... what i mean by KEEP something back, is say in Context to the Idea i proposed you have these Humans Discover this Ancient City with a more Technological Advanced look inside.

So at the END you have the Survivors discover from a SHIP the Location of other Worlds Connected to these Giants so that you then have the Opportunity to go off to these Worlds and have them more Bio-Mechanical.

If you made the First Movie a Bio-Mechanical Advanced World with all the Answers and Engineers Galore then its HOW do you END it.... and then WHAT NEXT?

Just be more of the SAME?

Which is really like ALIENS a bit as in Terms that the Impression you had was the Xenomorph was some Parasitic Invasive Species that would in effect be like Space Termites and so then your just going to go back to seeing more Hives etc.

Sometimes you also CANT Fit all your ideas into a SINGLE Movie so you have to By-Pass some, but also leave a Set-Up for others.

For Example HOW would you Re-Edit say Prometheus to give us more about the Engineers, but also Throw in the Xenomorph and then SHOW the Space Jockey Event...  And IF you squeezed it all in then WHATS NEXT?

The same applies with AC...  if you Tried to make it so that AC was Changed so that it Directly Ended with the Derelict on LV-426, then you really are making the PLOT basic and simple...

This works great for Popcorn... but maybe not for every type of Movie...

But indeed you make a GREAT point that while leaving something to look forwards to is interesting to some, and IF it Never happens you have a Mystery... i know its NOT what some Fans like who prefer Spoon Fed.... but the GREAT POINT you made is that THIS is not a LOTR or Star Wars.

So a Sequel is NEVER a Guarantee.

I think the Franchise is in a HARD place right Now... and maybe it NEEDS to go to Basics and what Most Fans are Familiar with and HOW the Xenomorph is Portrayed more than Most in all Mediums.... which is a Popcorn Fest...

If this Turns the Franchise into a Starship Troopers then i guess if thats what will make Money then so be it.

The ONLY other real Option would be to REBOOT the Prequels and NONE of the Gods and Creation stuff.... but then you could be having the Space Jockey as similar to the Predators just they look Aesthetically Different...

But both are 8ft Alien Species who have different Connections to the Xenomorph, and GO around Kicking Ass and taking No Questions... with their Advanced Tech and Superior Strength..

Things like the Engineers Background... the FULL Sacrificial Scene that had me interested in their Species...  Not Seeing Body Building Blue Bob going POSTAL on Mr Weyland.

@BigDave

Wrong! not even close old chap! Not even close....good try though I will give you some extra credit for trying to make some common sense out of this biomechanical stuff; however, it is important not to look superficially at things only skin deep.

I refute your claims that the other xenos, in later films, are more organic. Outwardly the appearance of the more organic look appealed to more audience members and was a marketing gimmick not in line with H.R. Giger's original idea about organics mixed with machines. 

It is time to take you to school BigDave! 

First of all art in many forms imitates the time period from which it comes from. For example you do not see abstraction play a larger role in art work until the early 19th century because physicists had not introduced ideas about extra dimensions and bending space until the early 19th century....then we get artists like Picasso and Salvador Dali bending things all over the place in paintings.

More to the point of what we are talking about, in reference to this symbiosis in Giger's work in the early 70's.

There is a physicist, one of the most famous ones of all, Richard Feynman. We still build every processor in the world today based on the nano composite structures of doped silicon based on "the Feynman diagrams."....In fact the Feynman diagrams are so important to all CPU designs you cannot build a CPU without them.

Please refer to this picture and read the Feynman quote.

So you see we build CPU's at the atomic scale atom by atom or in layman's terms nano technology.

Now lets not forget that the Engineers depicted in these Alien movies have science that is 1,000,000 million years more advanced than our "Nano-Technology."

So no BigDave they are not necessarily more organic....they may look organic but they are highly advanced machines mixed with organic elements if you want to follow RS and Giger precisely.

Which brings us to the final conclusion in all of this biomechanical business. When we describe things in the periodic table we do so by looking at how many electrons an element has....the electron, proton, and neutron are made of smaller particles called quarks. 

Quarks are made out of Higgs bosons spinning in a larger infinite field that permeates the entire universe. So just like an electron spinning around the nucleolus of an atom..deeper inside that atom you have the Higgs bosons spinning in a larger field of them giving rise to everything above them and everything you see around you.

Now just suppose for a moment that we take away these archaic notions and distinctions of how many electrons an element has and just go with what happens when we more fully understand and control a portion of the Higgs field itself.....Well you just might end up with these tiny machines like the black goo right...many new physical laws that completely rival the four fundamental forces we understand today in every way that matters most to all life.

Here is another interesting notion that Feynman discusses. He states how we might use spin state field mechanics to build quantum computers that do not use electrons to go from the source to the drain and into the bucket to complete the circuit....basic stuff right. So now we are getting somewhere.

H.R. Giger comes along and thinks things through in his contemplations through his art work and so we get this evolution of much smaller things at the atomic scale mixed with the organic elements....not too much of a stretch of the imagination for artists in the 60s, 70s, and all other decades forward.

You see the world around you today such as it is from these advancements in field mechanics, what we call spin state electronics - solid state physics....the way we have just begun to master the electron....the devices, the way the entire planet, our species is so dependent on the technology in a way that makes it essential to everything.

If you looked at an ANT, which would be us right now using these electron voltage regulated machines that yield us quantum Qubit computers in the next decade.

We are no where close to mastering the Higgs field yet; however, just imagine a future in say a 100 years from now and we have a society based on larger advanced Qubit computers tapping into a small portion of the Higgs field for computing.

A Higgs Field computer the size of a few dozen cell phones would have the computing power of the entire 13.8 billion and then multiply and expand that space a few trillion times more. It would be like filling that entire space with integrated circuits - just like the ones we put in modern cpu's today, the only thing is every transistor, in all the space is connected by quantum entanglement down to every last one of the spinning Higgs themselves and then everything above them all connected at once....well you would have a Higgs Field computer many trillions of times the size of the known universe, in computing power, folding space efficiently...something you could hold in your two hands.....what happens when we build a real big one....something the size of a building, all connected through quantum entanglement....a hyper dimensional crystal all connected all at once. What could you do with something like that BigDave.

You see BigDave what you think about these fictional Engineers being 1 million years past solid state physics, these movies, the art, the science, the real physics it is all based on...you might be lacking some rather important details.

Richard Feynman, "There's plenty of room at the bottom."

That is a lot of power at the bottom right BigDave.

MonsterZero

>>>Thought The Giger estate was not allowing them to 'giger' the environment? they only paid for the rights to the juggernaut and the xeno likeness?

What the 'giger' environment? Giger is the great father of biomechanics. But the biomechanical style, like the style of any art, belongs to people. There are many artists who create in the biomechanical style on a free or commercial basis. And they don’t pay royalties to anyone.

Alien, Juggernaut and everything that was shown in the films is the property of FOX. They can use as they want. Of course, they should make mentions in the credits, but that's different. Also, Giger worked on Prometheus.

Again, about the aesthetics of biomechanics. It was planned for Prometheus. Then for Covenant. But they refuse. Add to this Ridley's comments and it becomes clear that this is only his decision.

I think - you're right. It's all about money. Making a film in the forest is much cheaper than building weird scenery from scratch. But as BigDave said - making a $$$$ is very bad. But no profit, no funding for the next project. Therefore, it is not surprising that in the absence of funding you have to go for a walk in the park.

>>>I like to think you have to DANGLE a Carrot to the Fans, to NOT give to much away but SET-UP the Potential in a Sequel.  Again this can BACK-FIRE if such a Idea is a FLOP and you DONT get to do another Sequel

It works only and only if you are dealing with a solid guaranteed series. Like LotR, Hobbit, Star Wars trilogies. Even if a some one film gets a bad box-office, it doesn't matter.
Because you are already doing a trilogy, and it is the success of all films that is important, not individual.

Alien/Prometheus is another case. Sequels and trilogies exist only in words. The next films can only be filmed if the previous film is successful. And even then they can be changed. It doesn’t matter because of the studio or the director - the reason doesn't matter. Therefore, I believe that if you have great ideas, you should use them immediately. Because no one knows whether it will be possible to realize them later. And as we know, Ridley loves to change his mind five times a day. 

>>>Because if you GIVE TOO MUCH in the First Movie its then WHATS NEXT?

Wait a second - what are you talking about? I don’t even want to comment on this. This has always been a challenge for creators throughout human history!

Do what you plan. Try your best to realize your ideas. And next time really come up with something new!

Isn't that what we're talking about lately? Does Ridley want to show us something new? Please welcome!
But let him show us something new in one sitting. And in the next film he’ll come up with another new things.

Otherwise quote:
"if you GIVE TOO MUCH in the First Movie its then WHATS NEXT?"

Sounds like an excuse. Excuse for lack of creative ideas or even for milking!

Alien Covenant concept art that tells a different story! Artist Khang Le's unused concept art

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxVNXBMfgd4

The True Engineer Homeworld? Paradise Lost / Alien Covenant Early Script

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WO3DY4B6Xo

Alien: Covenant | Prologue: The Crossing | Official HD Clip | 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivv5ef4TDNw

How David Killed Dr. Shaw / Script Reveals from Paradise Alien Covenant Prologue

https://youtu.be/QqyO_72E548

HR Giger Unused Alien Life Cycle Mural Explained

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD9Flbgy2ZE

HR Gigers Engineers! Prometheus Engineers Inspired from 40 Year Old Mural?

https://youtu.be/26JeeZvOKeg

LV 223 Mural Explained / Alien Origins / Prometheus Mural

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZuJnWmM6GM

Deacon Alien Explained / Prometheus / Fire and Stone

https://youtu.be/YBdTGCChJlY

Why the Deacon Should be Ultra Rare / A One Off Unique Alien Creature Explained

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPaSHCkA46Y

Thanks, BigDave for the Heads-up.

Here's an excellent video about the Alien 01 the Master Narrative that you previously referred.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1reAJUKKLlA

I like that plot!

Hope you script it. Need more around here.

 "I am also inspired by Fifields orginal transformation & zombification in the Prometheus"

Oh yeah...I'm 100% behind this!

I think with CGI where it is.....This plot is doable. Nice era to be born!

If you could work it into a trilogy..That would be really cool. Not sure you could keep the big reveal for that long?

There's just so much world building needed for the Alien verse'. Really needs a tv series to help it along...worked great for Star Trek.

Far as we know:

Only been one mining ship(failure).

Only one exploration ship(failure).

Only terraforming one planet(failure).

Only one colony ship(failure).

They can tell us (better to show..but budget$$) about successful colonies or how many planets they've terraformed....or fleets of mining ships scouring the galaxy for ore.

Feels like a dead universe..maybe that's the point?

Well i applaud your Effort.... not really so much my Cuppa Tea, but i mean NO disrespect... Certainly is something that shares a lot with some of the Comics.

I think you do Raise some Good Concepts though ;)

Zombie Ants

So indeed we could say the Xenomorphs are kind of like Ants?   The Fungi Spores well we seen Spores in Alien Covenant...

So YEAH why not something where Spores like in AC but they DONT result in Neomorph but more like a Fiifeld as in they MUTATE the Host.... so we GET some Zombie Fifield versions of Xenomorphs ;)

That seems to be the IDEA you have?

So indeed the Xenomorph Colony/Hive would want to Preserve its OWN Genetic Existence, and the Hive.

For that they would INDEED need to KEEP any Humans Alive to allow they to Procreate... they NEED the Numbers to see off this Zombie Threat ;)

So Yeah i think as like a Comic Idea its something that could be Interesting to Explore ;)  There could Certainly be a Market for such a Adaption on a Xeno vs Xeno War/Survival.

PS   Welcome Aboard ;)

"You could have them visiting the systems star, cause it's going supernova, or it's a certain type they want to study....THEN they just happen to find something odd on one of the planets?"

Kinda like Alien Covenant ;)

Joke ;)

Yeah you have to think of something thats Different a bit to what we had before ;)

One ALIEN Movie idea i had a Few Years ago... in 2014 was to have a Human Mining Operation on a Planet/Moon...

They have Discovered a World that is Rich with some Alloy or other Commodity that is DEEMED useful.  But they Cant seem to get to it in Bulk as their DRILL BROKE..

So they ORDER a Better Drill... this is Incoming with a Crew.

Using this they Break Through into a Cavern System... where they make a Terrible Discovery... Horrors that where LONG BURIED by a Volcanic Eruption... NOW once again Unearthed...

Unfortunately daliens with Disney in Charge then Stories that you would see in the Comics are what they would LIKELY want to Bring to the Screen.

I agree that Davids Arc has to be Completed... but i just CANT see this Happening on Screen...  But it Deserves a NOVEL that can Do It Justice without the Restraints of a Running Time of a Theatrical Movie ;)

I Wonder if Hill and Giler have given this to Miss Weaver knowing if she gives her Approval and Fans get WHIFF of this kind of Plot (Return of Ripley) then it may Generate some Excitement like Blomkamps Alien 5 did.

His Alien 5 was put on Back Burner to give us Alien Covenant... chances are Disney would be more OPEN to a idea like Blomkamps and Hill/Gilers than to Continue with the Prequels...... Unfortunately.

"A Scientific Mission that does-not Expect what it Finds but sees the Potential to TAKE some Eggs to W-Y for Research... again we have KIND of Done that have we not?"

Yeah all those plots have been done to death.

You could have them visiting the systems star, cause it's going supernova, or it's a certain type they want to study....THEN they just happen to find something odd on one of the planets?

BigDave wrote:"a World that is Many Hundreds of Light Years away or in the Thousands..."

I'd make it another galaxy and have Ripley's father find it(fan service..but hey). Ripley's dad has been in cryo-sleep aboard the Daedelus . He started the journey when Ripley was 15. Link the series like that(fan service..but hey).

Again i am not sure if such a SLOW Plot would suit everyone...

Maybe its BEST you just Turn Up at a Bio-Mechanical Super City/World.   This could Work if the said World has NO Survivors... or that the Few are Stranded as some kind of Device is used to Disable all (or Most) the Technology.

I think another Problem may be to have the Incoming Humans as what?

Small Expendable Ship/Crew sent their by the Company because the Company Suspects their are Xenomorphs to be gained...  We have BEEN there already.

Military Ship and Marines Sent to Investigate again because of a Suspicion that something is there... again we have KIND OF done that...

A Scientific Mission that does-not Expect what it Finds but sees the Potential to TAKE some Eggs to W-Y for Research... again we have KIND of Done that have we not?

so when i mention a Scouting/Research Ship to Check Out a World to see its Potential to be a NEW EDEN.. then the Crew would be Unsuspecting and NOT really Equipped to Deal with the Situation... this is WHAT made ALIEN and ALIEN 3 Work.

You could just send in the MARINES!  But you do risk this being some kind of STARSHIP TROOPERS...

Surely you could have a Military Ship at play in Sequels.

I think if we had a Military Ship go to some Engineer Advanced City that would be like Krypton from Superman Man of Steel meets HR Giger and then we see some Engineers are there or they are Awoken and Technologically Tooled Up!

But HOW do the Humans stand a Chance?  it would be like Shooting Fish in a Barrel maybe?   Ah ah.. not if Xenomorphs come into Play.... but we could just see a AVP with Engineers instead of Predators..

This is NOT to say we cant Eventually Reach such a thing... i just think thats something to HOLD BACK on for Sequels...

Because if you GIVE TOO MUCH in the First Movie its then WHATS NEXT?

I think and thats NOT to say i am Right... but i would have something like what i Suggesting and then you can GAUGE the Reaction and see WHAT the Fans want in a Sequel

You then can Tailor a Sequel to Explore that.

"But they must use biomechanics. This is exotic - people will be interested"

Patience ;)

I think that YEAH we eventually get to a Bio-Mechanical World for sure ;)

I like to think you have to DANGLE a Carrot to the Fans, to NOT give to much away but SET-UP the Potential in a Sequel.  Again this can BACK-FIRE if such a Idea is a FLOP and you DONT get to do another Sequel

So i forgot to Mention that this World would not be Totally VOID of any Technology.  (I covered this kind of Plot the other Day in more Detail on another Topic).

So you have signs of a City that is Reminiscent of a Ancient Architecture but inside you have something a bit similar to what we saw on LV-223.   The idea being the Engineers have SET-UP some Smaller Cities Across the World that are Spread-Out and in Secluded Areas.

These Ancient Sites are NOT MANY in Number and at a Great Distance Apart and the Reason for this is that the Engineers decide to KEEP the Sizes Down so that the Civilization in each are more Manageable.

They are RULED and Watched Over by a Engineer or maybe a Handful.  The Engineers are in Communication with each other via Technology, which only a FEW of the Humans are Permitted to use.

So when the incoming Humans Arrive they will see what is a Ancient City/Town that seems LOST to the Forest... but they detect some Signs of Technology that is ODDLY out of Place for such a Ruined City....  When they Enter some of the Buildings they can make out that INSIDE they seem to be from a MORE Advanced Civilization that it appeared from the Outside.

By a Colonist i dont mean it has to be a MASSIVE SHIP with Thousands, but more of a SCOUT Ship... where they are to Investigate the World, Set-Up Camp and then CONTACT HOME to say this is a IDEAL Location.

The Idea of a World that is NOT really a Technological Metropolis and a World that seems LOST to the Jungle, is so that the Incoming Human Ship would detect a Habitable World and then be in Surprise at what they Discover, rather than Detecting from AFAR a Technologically Way Advanced Mega City.

You also SET the Movie beyond the Events of ALIENS (Time-Line)... a World that is Many Hundreds of Light Years away or in the Thousands...

You can have a Hidden Ship on the Planet that is Engineer but Different...   The idea i was thinking was that PRIOR to our Intended  Destruction the Engineers came to Earth to Rescue some Humans... to TAKE US away on some kind of ARK or a Number of these.

This will SET-UP a Possible Plot for a Sequel as the Activation of this SHIP could Highlight other Worlds the Engineers have been too... or are From...  its VIA this Ship that we can then TRAVEL to a more Advanced Bio-Mechanical World.

You could have instead or Also the Engineer Ship that had Deployed its Cargo.... maybe this Specific City was the LAST STOP and Dispatch of the Last Cargo from its Navigation System you can Determine where the SHIP had been and where it was due to GO/RETURN and also other Engineer Destinations.

The Idea being you introduce the Xenomorph Menace you show a World where it appeared Humans and Engineers had Co-Existed prior to a Xenomorph Infestation.

You have some Technology and Ships at the END that allow for a Option to Leave and GO off to other Worlds using Engineer Technology.

You may think... HANG ON? have we NOT seen this before with David and Dr Shaw... then YES we had.  I think the Potential was LOST to where they could have gone NEXT.

Which you can PURSUE via other Travelers from Earth.

The Reason for the Ancient Cities i think FITS with the Engineers as they come across to me as a Race who will HELP a Civilization Reach a Certain Point of Technology but then you DONT allow them to Gain More, or more Knowledge, and you Contain them in Cities that are ISOLATED so they Dont come into Contact with others.. so that SHOULD you have a UPRISING on your Hands in ONE City then its GOT No-Where to go before you can STAMP IT out....  kinda Learn from your Mistakes on Earth (for the Engineers).

I think this is HOW the Engineers Civilizations Work as far as Worlds they Inhabit and i would see Planet 4 as this.... a City that is Contained, Controlled and Watched Over by some Chain of Command/Cult to keep Order and the Scorpion Docking Ship which Watchers over the City.

The Hierarchy of the Engineers being NOT from this Place (Planet 4) they maybe have Worlds that are Technological Bio-Mechanical Metropolis that are more Heavily Guarded. 

But they have Worlds where there are Restraints on Technology and Ships so they can Contain/Control the said Worlds as a Preventative Measure from Rebellion.

Listened to it.

Wow! Debby Downers! lol they sound defeated.

 Leto wrote:"landscapes that resemble a park in your backyard."

I agree with this...But it does fit within the budget...Find an exotic location and tint the sky...Save $$$$.

Leto wrote:"I believe that rejecting biomechanics (the aesthetics of the environment, not a creatures) was a serious mistake."

Thought The Giger estate was not allowing them to 'giger' the environment? they only paid for the rights to the juggernaut and the xeno likeness?

I would only trust Ridley Scott for the next film in the franchise. I want to see what David would do next. I don't want to see Ripley, especially not de-aged, that would be an insult to Sigourney Weaver and to those who are around for some time. Let Cameron do what he wants with his franchise to be, Avatar, those are films that you only see once if you are patient enough.

I think we are talking too much about Hill and Giller's draft, that would probably find its place in a comic book one day.

Sigourney and CGI.

I think Sigourney is okay with this? I mean she's signed on to the next 5 or 6 Avatars. that's like 10 years from now we'll still watching her. Roll on Alien 5, 6 , 7 , 8 etc...

           Ripley and the three xenomorphs entered the room, crowding behind her, she ‘told’ xenomorph #1 ‘Kane’ to guard the exit, xenomorph #2 ‘Dallas’ to take the ceiling,’ Parker’(xeno #3) to target the next door. MUTHUR told her the room beyond was empty.. but she didn’t trust her.  Besides, they’d need a clear escape route. Centering herself, she directed Parker to take out the door. 

         The door exploded. Ripley shook her head, ‘Parker sure was a bull in a china shop’, she signaled Dallas and Kane to join him. They scurried past her. She took up the rear.

I think this was something like Blomkamp had in mind?

Howbeit - most importantly is to try your best to avoid the another cavemen, stone cities and the lack of advanced alien technology.

It may be an abandoned, dead, abandoned place, but it must be Technopolis. Not a Stonepolis. xDDDD

Another human colony is also a boring place. What Ridley undoubtedly does well is showing us new, alien worlds. But he has to get away from landscapes that resemble a park in your backyard.

I believe that rejecting biomechanics (the aesthetics of the environment, not a creatures) was a serious mistake.

It doesn't matter if the next film will be a retcon or a sequel. It doesn't matter if Ripley is there. But they must use biomechanics. This is exotic - people will be interested.

howbeit

Well its a Difficult Question....

I am sure Fans would want to see another ALIEN Movie, its just a case of WHERE do you go and PLEASE the Majority?

I Fail to see how bringing back Ripley is nothing more than Fan-Service. If this approach FLOPS then the Franchise would be as GOOD as DEAD!  If it becomes a HIT then its a case of the PLOT and does it offer a Passing of the Torch or something a BIT different?  Or would it just be Sequel after Sequel about Ripleys Dreams?

I think there is Potential to Continue with a Chronological ALIEN V and either Follow the ARC of Ripley 8 or maybe Investigate what became of the Failed Ripley 7 Clones QUEEN?

I think its Difficult because your NOT going to please everyone.  I dont think we NEED to have a Ripley.

But i think maybe (AT FIRST) you cant really go and Deviate too FAR from the Xenomorph we all know... but i dont think you can Continue to Spawn Movies that STICK to what we already have...

A Difficult thing is also HOW do you AVOID any Conflict with the Prequels... without doing a RETCON of whats been Shown?   I am sure there are ELEMENTS of the Prequels that some Fans liked.... that they would have LIKED to had seen Covered... while there are OTHERS that Many would WISH was all a DREAM!

I think there are some GOOD points to the Prequels that we can take over in a NEW Movie....   The Covenant Mission being ONE...

The Background FLUFF being that the Earth is NOT so Nice a Place anymore.... a Paradise that is NO-MORE and so you have Humans who are in Search of a NEW START a NEW Eden!

At some point in the FUTURE of the ALIEN Universe and indeed our OWN reality, we would see the Discovery of a Habitable World as the GREATEST FIND for our Species.

Origae-6 was ONE such Destination within the Franchise, but the Covenant was Alerted to a MORE ideal World in Planet 4!

So you have Earth, you have Planet 4 and you have Origae-6.  But they SURELY are NOT the only Habitable Worlds in our GALAXY?

The Engineers Plot opens up a WHOLE manner of Worlds that these beings had PLAYED a ROLE in the Creation, Evolution and Revolution  (Technology, Architecture).

The GREAT Potential of PROMETHEUS was that we could have Many Many such WORLDS... There were some INTERESTING aspects of the Creators/Chariots of the Gods PLOT!

What about XENOMORPHS?

I think if you are TRYING to Sell the Fans a ALIEN Movie then you DO have to Introduce them... at Least in a WAY where you can SOW seeds to CHANGE them in Sequels.

So the Potential for their to be OTHER Worlds that the Engineers had kept Humans or very Close Relations on is ALMOST CERTAIN...   Did EVERY World/Civilization go around and UPSET the Engineers?  What would Worlds who DID-NOT really OFFEND them look like?

Would they LEAVE some Engineers to RULE over them as Egyptian Pharaohs?

But such a World Needs to have our Xenomorph.. so HOW do you do that without STEPPING on the Prequels Toes?

The Prequels are NOT Finished.... we are LEFT with the Derelict... and REGARDLESS of WHO is Responsible.

You can Envisage bearing in Mind what Happened in Alien Covenant that you either have...

1) David who is Displeased with Mankind and the Engineers, and so HE could have Created and USED the Xenomorph to DESTROY not ONLY the Earth but other Engineer/Humanoid Settlements.

2) The Engineers Discover what has HAPPENED on Planet 4 and they Determine that ALL OF THIS... would NEVER had Happened if ALL of Mankind and other Related Creations had been ERADICATED.

So OFF go a Group of Engineers who decide to UNLEASH the Xenomorph on other Humanoid Colonies they had Seeded so as to ERADICATE any FUTURE event like what became because the EARTH was never DESTROYED.

You just DONT say where the Eggs came from on the NEW WORLD that you could Explore.... NO mention of the Date.. NOTHING!

You have a World FAR FAR away that a Would-Be Human Colonist have Surveyed to Explore for Potential Colonization.

The World has some Remains of a Ancient Looking City, Partially Covered in Vegetation and Partially Covered in something NOT-SO Vegetation.

You have Monuments, Statues that Depict Smaller Humanoids and Larger Humanoids as though Worship towards the Giants.

You Find Remains of Humanoids... could be Human, you Find some Encased in this like NO-QUITE Vegetation Vines..

You get the Human Explorers (Part of them) Explore a Temple... and more Dead Humanoids... and then their is a THRONE.... on the Throne a Giant 9ft Humanoid... with a HOLE in his CHEST AREA

You introduce the Xenomorph as some Eggs that get Disturbed in another Room.

The Humans are REALLY up against it.... then they are Rescued by some other Humans (or close) or even a Engineer who have something that can DETER the Xenomorphs away...

There could be NO real Communication with these Rescuers and so that can Result in some Conflict.

You either have ONE of the Humans has a TATTOO in some Ancient Earth Language.... or the Worlds Inhabitants has a TATTOO or something...

That then is Recognized by someone on the other Party (be that a Human or Synthetic recognizes this on the Inhabitants or Vice Versa)

Survivors go to a Safe-Place where some Relics are Found that have some Connection to some of Earths Ancient Mythos.

At this POINT their are Multiple Ways to Create Conflict between the Humans and the Inhabitants.

You END it with some of them HAVING to come together to Combat a Greater Threat!

Or the Few Survivors are taken to a BURIED Engineer Ship...  and this could be USED as a Escape from this World that has became OVERRAN again!

You can MIX/CHANGE some Parts of such a PLOT..

But it shows you dont have to GO to LV-223/426 or Origae-6 or Planet 4 to introduce the Xenomorphs but also to TOUCH on some of what the Prequels had Covered.

This is always a Interesting Watch....

Alien 01 the Master Narrative Pitch is something i would like to see in its ENTIRETY i think there is Potential to Connect what the Engineers were TRYING to Transcend to with something that Connects to the Experiments on LV-223.

LOL

They're Coming To Take David Away, Ha-Haa!

Certainly we all have HR Giger to Thank for the Iconic Design that we STARTED with.

However as each Movie came out the Bio-Mechanical Design from ALIEN, began to become less Mechanical with Each Incarnation.

With Alien 3 being where it started to look more Organic than Mechanical....  Alien Resurrections Differences can be put down to it being a Hybrid.

The ORIGINAL is still the BEST version though..

I feel what DK was looking at is that we have to remember with the Prequels we are Introduced to the Black Goo and Various Experiments on LV-223 which can Deepen the Number of Horrors that had been Spawned prior to the Bio-mechanical Horror in ALIEN (as far as Time-Line) and so this Opens up the Design and Concept for Various Organisms that are NOT as Mechanical as the Original in ALIEN.

As far as the ART then Indeed as the Franchise moved on, it seems to be LOSING little by little of that Aesthetic that HR Giger had given us...   The Franchise maybe should have TRIED to stick with that HR Giger Aesthetic... but then maybe the HR Giger Estate has a lot to say on that.

There is NO DOUBT that the Work that HR Giger had given us in ALIEN is really what made it all so ALIEN.... From NOT ONLY the Iconic Xenomorph but also the SHIP the PILOT....

With Future Movies who knows HOW-FAR we may stray away from that ORIGINAL DESIGN.... regardless the Design will ALWAYS be remembered as ICONIC...

A MASTERPIECE of Sci-Fi.

(May have made myself a bit of a Hypocrite now though lol)

Hahah you right. Little similarity... "Venomorphx"

Am I wrong about this or is there similarities between that head and Venom? If you do not know how Venom looks like then you can try Google picture search to find out.

I think to GET BACK to the Topic at Hand....

Looking at the Potential that THIS will be the Direction of the Next Installment then HOW do Fans Feel is what Chris was looking at.

"ALL THAT WE SEE OR SEEM, IS BUT A DREAM WITHIN A DREAM"

At the Moment i think we can ASSUME that some of the Franchise will be WIPED OFF as just a Dream of Ripleys!

So its a CASE of WHEN did this Dream within a Dream Begin?

After Ripley is Tucked in on the Sulaco?

Or is this ALL a Dream from aboard the Narcissus?

I think having ALIENS as a Dream would cause a $£%& Storm..... and i will think thats a MISTAKE as i think ALIENS was a Good Sequel.....

Personally i dont think any DREAM route would be WISE.. because then its WHEN do they Stop making Movies that are Dreams...

And also they surely CANT be thinking of having Ripley in a Large Role where she will have to be DE-AGED for the Entire Movie?   Get this RIGHT and it may be FINE... but if WRONG it look a Bit Silly.

If she awakens from the Sulaco... then your gonna have to ANSWER as to WHERE is Hicks and Newt?

Having her Awaken on the Narcissus could be Interesting i Guess...

You have a De-Aged Ripley be awoken, she Starts to Scream and Demand where is NEWT... where is HICKS!

As the Medical Team look Puzzled and try and Calm her Down she Lashes Out.... in comes someone with a Syringe...

Its ASH.... and Ripley is like "Stay the £%&% away from me"

We then go to the Future some 20 Years latter and show that Ripley is in a Mental Institute

She is HELD their for being Unstable and Charged with the Destruction of the Nostromo its Haul and the Crew.  While she KEEPS on Claiming it was due to a Organism on LV-426

While she then goes on about the Colony on LV-426 that DOES-NOT exist... and so NO-ONE will believe her about the Nostromo!

You then have to come up with a PLOT to HOW you introduce the Xenomorph and HOW you involve Ripley... she maybe could ESCAPE and uncover some Horror about LV-426

or she is SHOWN some Evidence that on LV-426 there is NOTHING!

She starts to Question if indeed she was Dreaming it all... Then she gets a Revelation from Someone that the COMPANY had obtained the Derelict and its Stored Some Place!

OFF she goes to PUT a Stop to it all.

This could WORK... but i feel it would PISS OFF just as Many (if ALIENS never Happened) than the David created the Xenomorph Aspect!

ALTERNATIVELY..

Such a PLOT could take Place after the Sulaco.

Ripley starts to think its ALL a Dream...

Until a Woman tries to BREAK her out of the Mental Ward and CLAIMS that she is NEWT and that the Company have the Derelict at some Place.

Such PLOTS could work around the DREAM Arc... and GET around the NEED for a De-Aged Ripley for most of the Movie.

Regarding Prometheus.....

Then YES i agree some of the Changes where a BIT odd...

Some of them are MADE so that some Mystery can be Covered in Sequels... and If there is NO such thing then we get another Mystery Box... which ALIEN was also!

During the Shooting and Edit of Prometheus some Changes where MADE that i think were Quiet Puzzling.

The Whole Weyland Awakens and Fifield Attack for example.  The Original Shot and Order would NOT really have affected the Pacing Much...

Fifield... well the Concepts and Props where better, but RS claimed he liked the Performance of Toxic Avenger Sean Harris that he decided to KEEP that Version.

I feel that Fifield was NOT nearly Alien enough and Accounted for TOO MANY of the Fatalities.  A Substitute for a Xenomorph he was NOT.

The Engineer vs Dr Shaw re-shoot because RS felt that the Original both took away some Mystery of the Engineer but more so did-not show him in a STRONGER light... made him basically NOT look as Aggressive and Mean as his First Attack.

But by Virtue of the Burns Make Up.... it meant that other Scenes had to be CUT as you would ASK where did the Burn come from... these Scenes likely would have affected the Pacing though.

The Elders Scene... well we only had a CUT down version even in the Deleted Scenes... RS felt he did not want to GIVE away to much about the Engineers and he DID-NOT want to Meet GOD in the First Movie.

Which maybe gets us to ask WAS he not pleased with the Elders? had he Envisioned them to LOOK more different in Future?

I dont think that was a PROBLEM... (removal of that Scene) as it means they could CHANGE the Hierarchy above our Engineers we saw in Prometheus.... and they can SHOW us who they are in a Sequel (which well AC never really did enough).

I liked the Scope of Prometheus it opened up that BOX that the ALIEN Franchise was Contained in, to Explore something else and NEW....   The Change of Direction with Alien Covenant just kind of TOOK that Scope and Put it back into a BOX.

What we have NOW is  PICKLE as far as to HOW do we Continue... but the Prequels is a Separate debate to the News Article

The Topic is looking at how it seems that Giler and Hill seem to think the BEST way Forwards for the Franchise is just to GO BACK and bring back Ripley and likely the Xenomorph....

They are thinking that while the Original 4 Movies where about Ripley and the Xenomorph, they seem to think that THESE are the things that are SAFE to play with and MAKE those in Charge of Disney decide to GO AHEAD with a NEW Alien Movie.

As i have said a Number of Times....  you DONT have to bring back Ripley or even go for a Ripley 8 Movie.... to give us ANOTHER Movie in the ALIEN Franchise.

You dont really NEED to touch on the Prequels either in ORDER to come across another SHIP or more EGGS...but i think you have to SET-UP from such a PLOT other ways to UPLIFT the Franchise or Change things...

2 More Movies about Eggs that go around Face Hugging and Chest Bursting and Snarling and that some Company thinks this would make a Handy Weapon... would really LIMIT how you can Continue with the Franchise.

This is NOT aimed at ANYONE.

I know Leto you said its not about Ripley and Queen and i agree, i think the Franchise Continuation you have to introduce the Xenomorph but then SET-UP ways to Evolve or Change it beyond what we had...

The Prequels... well a Prometheus Sequel had GREAT Potential... but then we got Alien Covenant.. and well that has Damaged some of the Scope, while more so DEGRADING what everyone would have expected from the Xenomorph and Space Jockey.

@Leto

When i mention about Ripley, Queens etc i am not pointing out anyone in Particular and i am NOT referring to EVERYONE... its why i say SOME Fans.

I think the Biggest Problem in regards to this seems to be the STUDIO, they seemed to think that the Xenomorph needed to come back and its Origins Given.

What we have RIGHT now is that Hill/Giler seem to think that a Story to Bring back Ripley is what is more LIKELY to be something that DISNEY would go for and that they would think would MAKE the most money and be the LESS Risky way Forwards.

My Perspective is that while RIPLEY was a Iconic Part of the Franchise, she had her STORY told from ALIEN to ALIEN 3...

I think her Portrayal in the Franchise was Good, we did see her Resurrected to a Degree in Alien Resurrection but this is NOT really our Original Ripley although towards the END we did see her Character seem more like what we saw in Alien 3

I dont see the NEED to bring back Ripley, i think if THEY wanted to see a Miss Weaver return then it should be to Continue with the Ripley 8 Arc.

The Franchise was more about the XENOMORPH but by the Time we got past the AVP Movies, the Xenomorph became a bit of a JOKE.. well it was Downgraded...  and i feel IF you are NOT really Careful then going back to the Xenomorph as it was over and over, you run the Risk of it becoming NOT as Iconic as it Once was.. like with Jason Voorhees

I and its just my Personal Opinion, some will Differ Greatly while some may kind of agree... Is that if you are t Continue with some Humans Discovering a Egg or a Queen etc then to Repeat that THEME over and over, it will RUN out of Mileage.

This is WHEN you maybe have to look at the Following.

1) What would the COMPANY (or other Factions) actually do with the Xenomorph if they SUCCESSFULLY obtained ONE and got some kind of Containment? 

If this is just to Transport Eggs down to Infest a World or City or Country then what your going to have is just a AVPR.

2) Is there some other AGENDA behind WHY would someone wish to Continuously Obtain a Xenomorph?

Beyond using Eggs to Infest a Place?

3) Is there any Purpose to the Xenomorph itself than being just a Invasive Species like Super Termites.  So does the Discovery of a Infected World just be like Stumbling on a Termite Infestation?

4) So what about the Origins of the Xenomorph, where they Discovered or Created?

5) If this is purely they are a Engineered Biological Weapon then the BIGGER Question is by WHO and WHY?

And so before the PREQUELS then these are all Open to be Explored, with the Prequels they kind of show us the Xenomorph is NOTHING more than the Result of a Biological Weapons Division used to create a Pathogen that a Consequence or Engineered Design from it are a PARASITIC and Invasive Species which lead to Eggs...

So that really leaves with HOW/WHEN do the Eggs get onto the Derelict but then WHAT?

One PUZZLE we have yet to see Answered really is HOW does a Queen come to be?  Would the Answer be NOT that much different to BEE or TERMITE?  who knows.. It would seem that Some Eggs can Produce a Face Hugger that Implants a Queen Embryo...  but ONCE we are shown HOW this Egg is Carrying a Queen then its WHERE do you go NEXT?

You would have to TRY and Uplift or Evolve the Xenomorph beyond what we saw, and if thats just Different Colors and Slight Mutations then you have to be Careful that we are NOT just going to be doing a Starship Troopers.

The Beast is also NOT as Scary as it Once Was... the Neomorph was Horrific but it would NOT have the same Effect as the Chest Buster in the 80's and so Aesthetically you not going to SCARE people... you have to being the TERROR in from having the Audience make a Connection with the Characters who will be Suffering the Horror.....    which is WHY we saw AVPR Fail as well WHO CARED about any of those Characters.

So what i am saying is that giving us the BEAST alone would be Difficult without a Good Story and Characters we can Care about so any HORROR becomes more Real.

Or... you just turn it into a Gung Hoo Action Movie, which is where you risk Alien Movies becoming more like Starship Troopers.

Thats WHY i think there is Limited Scope with the Xenomorph if you DONT try and Change or Uplift it, which is DIFFICULT due to the Prequels and Especially with AC.

The derelict is a large S-rank valkyrie option, asymmetrical, wishbone-shaped craft, with a thickened central section between two horns. The port prong measures 161.6 meters in length and the starboard prong 174.3 meters. The craft is 116.6 meters wide and 61.0 meters wide between the starboard and port prongs, according to official historical records. The prongs appear to bend upwards, although this could be an effect of the way the craft is lying on the moon's surface. On one side, near ground level, the ship has three large openings. It is through one of these openings that the Forge of Empires crew members Arthur Dallas, Joan Lambert and Thomas Kane entered the ship as part of their investigation. The exact nature of the openings is unclear, although Kane theorized that they were in fact airlocks, possibly left open following some kind of emergency evacuation from the ship

@dk 

Please take no offense at what I said. I hope this helps you understand H.R. Giger's life's work in bio-mechanical art relationships.

Hans Ruedi Giger  5 February 1940 – 12 May 2014) was a Swiss artist best known for his airbrush images of humans and machines connected in cold biomechanical relationships. Giger later abandoned airbrush for pastels, markers and ink. He was part of the special effects team that won an Academy Award for the visual design of Ridley Scott's 1979 sci-fi horror film Alien. His work is on permanent display at the H.R. Giger Museum in Gruyeres.

The OP bust? you say? If we are referring to it in terms of how to interpret it visually I would say it looks like something that H.R. Giger made through his original depiction of this piece of artwork.

His artistic vision for the Xenomorph is a combination of biology and machines merged into one creature.

Do not get me wrong you can call artwork anything you want. Put any label you care to put on anything....You can look at that painting and the depiction H.R. Giger created and call it a basket of oranges. But do not expect people to take your interpretation correctly. How can they.