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"focus on the Engineers"

Since there's no mention of the Engineers in Alien 1 - 4....I'd think they need to remove them from the franchise with one big battle? (or did David already do that?)

  "Well before Prometheus landed i did Wonder if we would be seeing a Pinocchio situation with David, where he would become a Real Boy.... of Sorts and what a Hubris if then he could be Infected with a Face Hugger."

Start  AC2 with synthetic David creating a human version himself And unlike the Ripley clones in A:R (mutated) Have the David clones 'born' with slight imperfections.

 David noticed a small blemish over the clone's right shoulder and tired of his clones screaming and pleading, He immediately sliced this ones throat....

  He desired perfection and would continue to destroy until his goal was reached.

Synthetic David: "How do you feel my son?"

Human David (#35), glancing at the pile of David corpses,: "Perfectly fine father" 

I think there are too many problems trying to make a movie that leads directly to Alien. The facehugger exiting the SJ and burning a hole in the floor is still a mystery as is the size discrepancy of the ship we see compared to the "egg silo"- and we know why the scenes were cut that way. The film would likely divide fans even further.

I think the best way forward is to focus on the Engineers and essentially end in a way that fans could possibly piece the connection to Alien for themselves.

I agree that the Marketing for Prometheus was better....

For Alien Covenant it was really just about PUSHING those Posters of the Xenomorph and Egg down our THROATS!  They seemed to think that maybe Prometheus got some Negativity because it NEVER had the Xenomorph or its Origins..

So they was like LOOK! XENOMORPHS!

Then we got THIS.... a Massive Piece of Miss-Information.

I think some Fans would have Expected scenes like this in the Movie!

I do think it was Disappointing the Budget we got for Alien Covenant seemed like FOX maybe never had too much Confidence and played it Safe!  With Inflation the Covenant Budget would have been like Prometheus only getting $100M and that is about what Alien Covenant had ($30M Less than Prometheus) when with Inflation a $130M in 2011 would have been at least $150M in 2016

But even if Alien Covenant had a Extra $50M its a Question of looking at the PLOT the Draft and the Running Time, then its a case of WHAT difference that $50M may have made?

Improved CGI, replace with some High Tech Animatronics etc? 

Replace some of the Actors with more Well Known Actors?

Again all of these would still depend on the Plot all a Bigger Budget would have done is add some Gloss here and there, but the Fundamental Failures and Disappointments may have remained.

I think the Problem after Alien Covenant was that FOX was Surprised that Alien Covenant did so Poor at the Box Office...  Then they are Left with the Critics over the Plot and Especially the Curve-ball....

They have kind of Wrote themselves into a Corner now, with a Backbone Plot that not so many Fans wish to go and see.

I think a Number of Fans would be willing to WAIT and then have it revealed that the Prequels, and Especially with Alien Covenant were just a BAD DREAM.....

I personally think you have to PICK UP where you have SET-UP and try and FIX it as best as you can!  I am not a FAN of Pretending something NEVER happened apart from when its a Spin-Off like the AVP movies.

Yeah they could go and do a Blomkamp.... as in lets just remove Alien 3 and Alien R and bring back Ripley and have it that Alien 3 etc never EXIST!   So what if some Fans are like Whah Whah! Boo Hoo they Killed Off our Hicks and Newt and then Real Ripley.... Whats done is Done!

You just have to Work Around them...

The same applies with a Continuation to Alien Covenant, but i PITY the Guys who have to come up with a PLOT to go and get us to ALIEN and try and Please the Fans..

I think that Crowd Funding could work as far as to get us some Answers and Closure in a Certain way as far as a Novel or Comic...  But for a Movie then Budget really does have a Massive Impact on what you can show... especially with Space Scenes/Ships and Monsters..

Personally i think maybe we should get a Movie that is set 10 years after Alien Covenant and will BY-PASS most of what David does next....

After Prometheus we had a 10 Year Gap where we would Discover what Happens with David and Dr Shaw, until her Death, and what remained on Planet 4 after the Bombardment and his Experiments in more Detail.  It was like there was a STORY there... one that was BY-PASSED.

I think we could maybe do the Same with the Sequel to Alien Covenant and so we SKIP the Sequel.... and arrive at the Next One which would be the After-Math of what Happens when Davids kind of World goes Tits-Up! (goes to POT)

I then think it would be NICE to then get TWO Novels... ONE which would give account to some of the Time between Prometheus and Alien Covenant, and another to cover say some of the 10 Years after Alien Covenant.

I think the Problem stems down from WHAT do you do for a Prequel?

If you go for a Chronological Direct Prequel where in Real Time you would show HOW the Eggs got on the Derelict, then Assuming that the EGGS were NOT placed on the Ship say AFTER it had Landed on LV-426 then what you are left with is a Movie that would have to be either SET in the Distant Past (how do Humans play a Role) or its SET not FAR behind the Time-Line of ALIEN (which means the Space Jockey Remains are not so Ancient).

Once you also have SHOWN the HOW the Eggs get on the Ship in ADDITION to HOW/WHEN/WHERE they was Discovered/Created by the Space Jockey.

Then there really is NOT so much more you can keep doing with the Xenomorph once you have those Answers...

so then it turns to WHO are the Space Jockey Race and WHY would they have such Cargo, if the Eggs are a Engineered Bio-Weapon then its a case of Answering as to WHY would they Create such a thing.... against WHO!

^^^^^ THIS.. is the other Plot/Revelation that they Felt was more Important and would OPEN up a whole New Franchise to Explore....

At this Time however it was NOT going to be a Revelation of the Xenomorph being a Creation by a Human Created Robot, in Hindsight they felt they should KEEP the Origin a Mystery but give us enough to Figure out its Origins are Connected to the Engineers, the LV-223 Facilities are Horrors they was Experimenting with....

In Hindsight it was a mistake to make the Clues too Vague, and NOT really have any Connecting Monster on-screen apart from the Trilobite/Deacon which was sadly NOT a Good Enough Substitute because all we in effect got would be as if ALIEN had Ended at the Kane Chest Busting Shot in Alien.

In Hindsight.... after Prometheus they should have made a Sequel that would have SENT in a recovery Mission to LV-223 where it would be a more Alieny kind of Movie with some Monsters more like the Xenomorph and more Clues to HOW/WHEN they was Created.

Then they could have CLOSED the Door to ALIEN and Fans could have got more Understanding of the Types of Horrors the Engineers were creating and then maybe be saying "WOW they was Cool i would love to see more of the Horrors the Engineers had Created"

Then another Sequel that would FOLLOW where David and Dr Shaw were going and Uncover more about the Engineers and other Mystery of Prometheus, and then indeed they could have the David Arc as he Creates his OWN version of the Monsters.

This route would have KEPT the Xenomorph Ancient and would NOT have had to give us Vanilla Xenomorphs to Answer the Questions.  It would then also had allowed RS to explore the Engineers, and Themes of Prometheus of which DAVID was always going to be a BIG part.

But ALAS we got Alien Covenant and NOW we have to go to Damage Control.... its going to be Hard to Continue with David and it be about him a lot, and to then Give Xenomorphs and Answers as far as LV-426 which some Fans want and are Hopeful they would be revealed as NOT having anything to do with David.

So you have to incorporate David's Role... but then try and have his role as far as the Final Product reduced.. as i mentioned in previous Posts... he becomes the MIDDLE MAN.

But thats not going to please some Fans... but then if we have it were Humans turn up to Origae-6 and Discover that David is Dead the Colonist turned into KNOCK OFF versions of the Xenomorph... and as the Humans come to Terms with this.. the Engineers Rock Up and Unleash the Original Xenomorphs.

For some Fans this would be GREAT... for those who liked what Prometheus was doing it would just be another lets Cook the Beast again Movie.

Did they test it on a Real Jonesy first ;)

Well I don't agree in the slightest. Prometheus and Covenant are excellent movies. I wouldn't mind ten more movies just like this.

The fact that RS got 2 movies out and people are still feeling meh about these films says it all.

I remember walking out of the theater after ALien3..Thinking: What the hell was that!? ...then Walking out of Alien:Resurrection..Also thinking: What the hell was that!? Pretty much everone was in agreement: Both films sucked and the next Alien movie would too.

I don't think there's any magical director or super plot that's going to satisfy the new or old fan base.

Outstanding!!! very fine work indeed! Please more!

 I just feel without trying we will never know how large of a dedicated paying fan base is out there to crowd fund new Alien shows and movies....I know that crowd funding works. I also know there are more than few million people that enjoy all these movies! I have loved them for 40 years and still enjoy watching them several times a year...just watched Alien on 4k two weeks ago and the detail is amazing! You have not seen Alien until you have watched it in 4k.

I would also like to share this bit of interesting trivia...we watched one of the most successful advertising campaigns put onto the internet over several months to get Prometheus to gross over a half billion dollars...BigDave will attest to the fact that Ridley's budget was cut and we got the move we got; however, I digress. The point is our strategy moving forward with any project is to raise capital. This was Ridley's strategy too and it paid off big time the way they did all the internet promotional crowd participation activities....you all remember the Weyland video? I do !!!! of we all do and the corporate website for Weyland-Yutani....these were all part of Ridley's strategy to garner interest in the movie before it was released.

We need a similar strategy but not based on vignettes or anything Disney would come after us for because they own the copy wright to this franchise.....I say no we are their boss we are the fans and right now I believe there are a few million fans that want this content....we just have to show Disney we mean business! Disney operates and understands money. 

So NO we are not giving up on this yet!!! NO WE ARE NOT!

I have another mechanism already in place! A top secret one. So down the rabbit hole we all go right now! Huddle round my friends....you are about to see history in the making.

We do the internet thing and raise awareness....I have a server and bandwidth for what we need....this is the funnel! Once inside the server each visitor will pledge a digital amount of cash....that cash is not even real money....it will be in small denominations 10, 25, 50 dollars. Some people have more some people have less....we need the price of at least the admission of one movie ticket....now get this they do not put any real cash in the "Till" only pledge a virtual ammount they will pay contingent Disney gets started and goes into production....we want Disney's respect we don't care what they want to produce or not....the only way to get them to do what we want is to show enough support....that is where 25 million people world wide will pledge digital support....they pay nothing until Disney goes into production....Disney cannot back out either because once they say yes those emails and IM's go out and they click on those phones all that cash....Disney gets nothing until we see commitment....look ladies and gentlemen we are getting nothing from Disney any way for years.....they see this kind of money they cannot say no to it!!!! They will do ask we say....essentially we make ourselves the treasury indirectly....we can raise as much fake cash up front as we want.....but when the time comes and Disney is ready to go into production we better make sure our fans are ready with price of least one ticket....ten dollars each! 

The show must go on and it will! We are not giving up anything we hold are the keys to kingdom! We are Disney's boss they just dont know it yet....we are gonna tell them in the right way though! 

hox

Thanks for the Ripley-related facts.

It looks really good! It would look even better if it looke a little wet or saw some slime drippimg off of it.

OK, the next movie is 10 years on after a rescue mission finds David dissected on Origae-6.  Done with the AI theme.  Investigate the Engineers and the background of the Xenomorphs.  Go for the big theme and explain the LV-426 ship and eggs.  Also, explain the intention of the Engineers.  When I hear RS talk he's already changing his focus and its back to the Xenomorphs now.  I give up.  Give this thing to Dennis V and let him run w/ it.  I believe the Mouse Kingdom wants to go forward but if they know what they are doing give it to someone else.  The Prometheus and AC went off the rails.  Have RS be director of photography and give the big seat to Dennis and wrap this up now.  I do not want to see another robot movie or about characters no one cares about.  I'm sorry but my patience is finite.  The fact that RS got 2 movies out and people are still feeling meh about these films says it all.

From what we knew after Alien Covenant it seemed that RS was 2-3 Movies away from ALIEN.

Therefor his Next Movie would have been where David goes next and what he gets up to (World he Creates) before the Climax where £"$£"% hits the FAN!  This Movie he claimed would NOT be about the Xenomorph but A.I and what KIND of a World that David would Create.

It seems Likely that this World would be Origae-6 which we can Safely Assume is NOT near LV-223. However it seems that the Events of Davids Actions will lead to LV-426 by the Time the Prequels are Finished.

so the Sequel will likely take place on Origae-6 and will be set in Part 7.5+ Years after Alien Covenant, it will NOT had Focused on the Xenomorph, but would have had 1-2 more Sequels that would then lead us to ALIEN.

To arrive at ALIEN then Davids Creation has some Evolving to go and would have to be ON a Engineer Ship that ends up Crash Landing on LV-426 and so we have to come to HOW does a Engineer Ship come into Play and WHY would it be near LV-426

Ridley Scott had said the Engineers would return to Planet 4 and discover the Destruction and would be after the Culprit...

So some Engineers will return and go to Origae-6 this could be where the DERELICT would come from...

I would assume that before we get to ALIEN what we would see is that the DERELICT is either.

1) Carrying Eggs to LV-223 to be Experimented on but the Ship has to be Forced to land on near by LV-426

2) The Ship goes to LV-223 to Evolve the Eggs and then attempts to leave LV-223 but is then Forced to land on LV-426

I would assume Option 2

So indeed this is HOW i interpreted what RS was going to do with the Alien Covenant Sequel

I'm wondering how RS intends to tie in with the original A L I E N ?

Nice Work... thanks for  Sharing ;)

"How would everyone feel about a flesh and blood David?"

Well before Prometheus landed i did Wonder if we would be seeing a Pinocchio situation with David, where he would become a Real Boy.... of Sorts and what a Hubris if then he could be Infected with a Face Hugger.

We have to Remember the Themes are about Evolution, Perfection and Creation!  And Walter is a Perfection of David as far as Aesthetically... but he lacks the Knowledge and Free-will of David...  but i think we can GUARANTEE that David will end up in a Walter Body (Covenant bound to have Spares to Build One)

It seems a Walter could be a Synthetic Construct... and so part Organic... and i would NOT be Surprised if this was Intended to play some Eventual Role in the Journey to the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph.

 So yeah i would not be surprised if David would look to Perfect his Body or Find a Perfect Host for his SOUL.

BigDave

Especially those who see the Xenomorph as being something that NO-ONE had Created.

Yeah, that's a tough one.

I don't think The xeno evolving from a small bug over the eons, is anything special to write home about(or make a movie about)

I'd MUCH rather the xeno's originate from something evil.

"I think the evolution of the Alien himself is nearly over, but what I was trying to do was transcend and move to another story, which would be taken over by A.I.’s. The world that the AI might create as a leader if he finds himself on a new planet. We have actually quite a big layout for the next one"

Certainly Chris this seemed to be what RS intentions was.

So David wants to be a Creator still, what kind of a WORLD would he Create? It depends on his Agenda!

We see David had Created his Xenomorph... if his PLANS are to merely Create a ARMY of Xenomorphs then surely he would just take as Many Female Colonist down to Planet 4 and Continue with them as he did with Dr Shaw!

He could then take Many Eggs back to the Covenant and SET-OFF to Planet 4 to again MASS PRODUCE more. OR he could just attempt to MASS PRODUCE the Eggs from Female Colonist on the Covenant... i would assume the Face Huggers would NOT do as he would need some Black Goo (but he could have got some).

HOWEVER..... this is a VERY much XENOMORPH Flick... and RS said the NEXT movie would NOT be about the Xenomorph (does not mean it wont have any) but it would be about A.I

So does this mean its gonna be about ONE very MAD Robot?  Are there Spares to Walter so he could build more Walters and Transfer his Soul into them?

Something we are Overlooking is that when RS talks about A.I he refers to the Replicants in Blade Runner as being a A.I

Something else is that David had said to Daniels that he will TUCK IN the Children... His Face Huggers are his Children.... but we also have the Human Embryo's

"The world that the AI might create as a leader "

How can David be a Leader?  He is a Servant to Humans, are the Colonist going to Accept David?  They may think he is Walter and are they going to just accept a ROBOT as King?

David wanted to Create a New Eden with Dr Shaw but she Rejected him!  If she did-not would they had Created just Horrific Xenomorphs?

Dr Shaw could not Create.. not in the Traditional Sense, so maybe David could have offered to TRY and see if he could HELP her to Create a HUMANOID?

But ALAS all that become of her was to be used to Create the Xenomorph and so David has shown he can Perfect a Monster the Engineers had attempted to Create!

Could he maybe be Tempted to see if he could Create his OWN Civilization of Humanoids?

I think we have to remember another Quote from David to Daniels when she asked WHAT KIND of a World they could Build... he replies to her "if we are KIND it will be a KIND World"

I think we also have to look at the Nature Boy Song for the Trailer to Alien Covenant the Lyrics to seem to FIT with David and so lets look at this Part

Then we spoke of many things: Fools and kings
Then he said to me "The greatest thing you'll ever learn Is to love and be loved in return"

We see with David he was Mistreated by Mankind, had he been made to Feel Loved would he had Turned out Different?

So all things considered i would ASSUME that David could be looking to EVOLVE those Embryo's and Create his OWN version of Humanity.

If David has a Colony Infrastructure Set Up, and he then Raises these Evolved Embryo's into Children who have NO CONTACT with anyone else... ONLY with David.

Then he would NOT only be their Leader, but he could proclaim to be their GOD and Creator!

But dont forget that 3-4 Parties will be incoming to where David is going.... One are the Engineers.... it is likely another will be at LEAST another Human Colony...  they would maybe be Expecting something DIFFERENT to what they Discover..

A World of Hybrid Humans being ruled by a Android... what would the Hybrid Humans think when incoming Humans inform them that David is NOT a God... when they are Faced with a Walter and they Discover they are actually HUMANS who have become the Experiments to a Twisted Android wanna be GOD who wishes to turn his Creators into his Creations!

The $£"% would HIT the Fan!

For a Wanna be GOD when your Creations become Corrupted then you would have to be Resorted to Cleansing..... which is where the Xenomorphs would have to be Unleashed!

What is the Result of a Face Hugger on a Hybrid Superior Human another Evolution of the Xenomorph?

So indeed this is HOW i interpreted what RS was going to do with the Alien Covenant Sequel

Leto

So... David must defeat humanity, get his woman and build the Giger World... The Happy End.

Lol! Absolutely.

David is probably closing in on ways to clone himself...Becoming human(using peter Weylands DNA)!

How would everyone feel about a flesh and blood David?

I think the DAMAGE is done... you have to TRY and see how we can FIX this...

You are NOT going to please all the Fans.... and so i think to Continue is a Poisoned Chalice...

A lot of what Prometheus had SET-UP has been brushed away, what remains does come down to David and the Experiments the Desire to Create....  you can bring the Engineers back into it.... the SCOPE of them is HUGE.. surely for a Race who have Star-Maps to other Galaxies and are Millions of Years old they would NOT all be Found to just STICK AROUND the Zeta 2 System.

We need to look at WHY the Engineers had been Messing about with all that CRAP on LV-223, surely if they wanted to KILL OFF the Population of Earth then they just do what DAVID had done to the Engineers... 

ALIEN EGGS are a Dumb Ass Weapon!

If you intent is ONLY to Destroy a Potential Foe!

The ALIEN is one Sinister, Disturbing Creature a HORROR... Once you get those Eggs onto a Planet and they GET out of CONTROL.... your left with a Massive Hive World of Nasty, Aggressive Invasive Parasitic Killing Machines.

Whoever would Create such a thing must have some Pretty Much Disturbed/Sinister thinking.

So you have to think of more to Creating something like that than purely as a WEAPON!

I think you need to look at more of a Reason for the Engineers Experiments than just to Create something to KILL off any THREATS... unless they are Sadistic.... then we have to go and Discover WHY they are so Wicked.

So i think we need to look at what the Engineers were doing... if we ASSUME that they DID-NOT create the Xenomorph, they Certainly was Experimenting on similar things.

You see if these beings are just CREATORS then we have to wonder WHY do they Create?  Do they really just go around and Seed Worlds and Visit them to Create Humanoids to then just KILL for the sake of it?

If they only do so when a Creation gets out of Hand or does-not behave the way they intend... then DROPPING DOWN on them URNS filled with the Sacrificial Goo will be the ULTIMATE  Reset Button!

So there has to be more to the Experiments some Engineers were conducting....

So what we have with David is that he has seen what the Black Goo can do and he has been Experimenting, and Cross-Hybridizing and what we see he has done is CREATE something that is more SUPERIOR than the Neomorph, than the Deacon that came from Dr Shaws Fetus, and maybe David has Perfected what the Engineers had attempted!

So when the Engineers come and Discover that DAVID has Created his Masterpiece.... HOW would the Engineers view this Creation?  They maybe would be Impressed but also their Ego would be Dented?

How would the Engineers feel about David... and see that he is SUPERIOR to Humans, and the Engineers see that Humans have Sub-Created something that is more Superior to the Engineers Creations (Humans) again they could be Impressed but also their Ego could be Dented.

The Engineers are Creators..... they would be starring at a Superior Creation (David/Walter) that came from their own Creations (Mankind) who has Created a Horror that is maybe more Superior to the Engineers Attempts..

David has Perfected the Art of Creating Horrific Monsters from the Engineers Secrets.

HOWEVER.......

We are NOT yet at ALIEN, we are NOT quite at the Bio-Mechanical Horror of ALIEN... so Davids Beast needs more Evolving!

I think we need to have the Engineers come back and Attempt to Combine David and his Creation and MAKE the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph... and this is HOW the Xenomorph is Born!

This means David has taken what the Engineers had Started, he has Created his own Near Perfection, and then the Engineers come and FINISH off what David had Started.... and the Space Jockey pays the ULTIMATE Hubris in trying to think that Restarting Experiments instead of Abandoning them is a Good Idea!

David is thus the Middle Man who took the Engineers Secrets to Create the Protomorph, which the Engineers then EVOLVE into the Xenomorph from the Franchise.

Again this would LIKELY not Please all the Fans.... you can try and involve David and the Engineers, even introduce the Space Jockey as another Race...  but it WONT please everyone...

Especially those who see the Xenomorph as being something that NO-ONE had Created.

While Ridley Scott feels you can continue the Alien Franchise, and it has more MILES left to it... i do suspect the Next Movie we would see would be in 2026 to celebrate 40 Years of ALIENS with a Aliens Sequel.

I feel maybe Disney could put the Prequels as a Forgotten Memory.

I think the Prequels have seemed to be about David too much for MOST fans liking....

The Problems began with some Fans thinking and expecting that Prometheus would be Connected to ALIEN more than it was and that to connect to ALIEN, you need the ALIEN or at least something that is CLOSE to it.   You would also expect that a Prequel would show us WHERE the Xenomorph came from and HOW it got onto the Derelict on LV-426

However another purpose for doing a Prequel of Sorts would be to Explore who the Space Jockey was.

In Hindsight they decided that you actually dont need the Xenomorph as we have seen them Over and Over, and you could be Ambiguous with the Origins so that some Mystery is retained.

So the Connection was not enough for Fans, for others it was clear to see some Connection, but it was left open to Interpretation.

WHAT they decided that meant more was HOW do you expand on the Franchise, they had at this Point Decided the Xenomorph was either a Engineered Bio-Weapon or something that Spawned from a Engineered Bio-Weapon. So their thinking was ONCE you had shown the Xenomorph was Created this way and was Created for this Purpose, its then WHAT do you do Next?

The other Part of the Plot was to explore the Space Jockey Race as a Humanoid Species of wanna be Gods, Creators and that they had played a Part in the Creation and Evolution of Mankind as well as potentially Countless other Worlds.

They felt that this kind of Story was something they could EXPAND on to give us something New/Different rather than Return to Eggs, Face Huggers and Rampaging Monsters.  So if these Beasts were Created or intended to be used as Biological Warfare then the BIGGER question is WHY, by WHOM.

This is where Alien Engineers then Evolved into Prometheus by dropping the Need for the Xenomorph and Spoon Fed Origins... they wanted to SET-UP a Potential Spin Off Franchise about the Space Jockey Creators and their Agenda, showing us that at some point these GUYS had been playing about and Experimenting with something that can get out of HAND and lead to Monstrous Results... which the Deacon showed us at the END.... and do enough to get us to then Assume that messing about with all that Black Goo and Stuff in the Past had LIKELY led to those Eggs on LV-426 but it was kept Ambiguous to retain Mystery.

A Sequel would have gone to STEER AWAY from the Xenomorph in ALIEN and LIKELY to expand more on the Creation Themes, Rebellion Themes, the COST of Free-will, the Pursuit of Perfection and Immortality.

It was HIGHLY LIKELY we would have seen more of the Engineers, and Dr Shaw and i think at some-point then YES we could see some HORRORS that are related to the Black Goo but they would NOT lead to ALIEN or be close to the Xenomorph.

HOWEVER........ Powers that be had Determined that actually you are better off to BRING the Xenomorph back and to go on a Journey to show us HOW/WHEN/WHERE and WHY and WHO created the Xenomorph that Eventually Ended up on LV-426

Dr Shaw and the Engineers were SACRIFICED to give us the Plot for Alien Covenant, the David Arc could continue the Themes of Prometheus....

And Alien Covenant did bring forwards a lot of those Themes, just they felt you could touch upon them with David and Walter.   The CURVE-BALL that David had Created the Xenomorph does fit PERFECTLY with the Themes of Prometheus, and the Monster we saw in ALIEN and the Android Influence on the Franchise.

The Problem is that MOST of the Fans always saw the Xenomorph as ANCIENT... be it discovered by the Space Jockey, Created by the Space Jockey or any other Origin.

Fans just was NOT prepared for a Curve-ball that it was a more recent Creation and also ONE by a MAD ROBOT!

The Xenomorph is a DELICATE subject, a ICON for Fans and Sadly not many would agree the AC Plot was a Good Idea!

In Hindsight David should have Created something more Different.... yet more similar to the Xenomorph than the Deacon was...

If he had Created the Neomorph that then would Egg Morph a Host to Produce how they Procreated and so then Neomorph like Monsters would break from the Egg Cocoons (be bit more like Gremlins).

And have him say that the Engineers had attempted to Create some Monstrous Creations from the Black Goo that they could NOT control... but he has attempted to Create his own and Perfect what they did.

We then see David have another Experiment that he uses maybe Dr Shaw for were we see INFECTED Human Egg Cells produce Eggs that contain a Type of Face Hugger... we could carry on to Create a Ultra-morph that would look like a Cross between a Xenomorph and Neomorph.

Basically David did-not have to be shown to Create the Xenomorph, he could have created something NEW and referenced the Engineers attempts they failed with.  The David-Arc would be IN TACT the Xenomorph still a Mystery but NOW we kind of know more about HOW it could have been Created...

Problem Solved!

But instead we got Alien Covenant and now its a case of HOW do you FIX that?

ignorantGuy

What I can see Garland did the screenplay for 28 Days Later but he also did a movie about AI. He can write a screenplay but it should not be about AI but like the survival-ism of 28 Days Later. It probably depends on if he stays within the horror genre and focus on the human adventure like 28 Days Later was or if he fucks up and focuses on AI. Option 1 is alright, option 2 sucks.

"I feel maybe Disney could put the Prequels as a Forgotten Memory."

BD, I would rather have that than another David movie.

@BlackAnt

As this is a News Post, then for some reason Unfortunately you cant EDIT your posts Once you have hit the post Button, unlike what you can do with Forum Posts.

I admire the idea of a Fan Funded Project, but am i not really sure that Sufficient Numbers would be willing to give say $25, i am also not sure that Disney has much plans for the Franchise at the Moment.

They own the Rights to the Franchise and so will make Money from Merchandise, Comics, Books, Games and Toys etc.  I dont think they are in any rush to go and make anything as far as a TV Series, never mind a Movie.

While Ridley Scott feels you can continue the Alien Franchise, and it has more MILES left to it... i do suspect the Next Movie we would see would be in 2026 to celebrate 40 Years of ALIENS with a Aliens Sequel.

I feel maybe Disney could put the Prequels as a Forgotten Memory.

"Originally the Prometheus story arc would have seen David create an Alien race of his own which would come to a head with the vengeful Engineer species once they discovered the tragedy David unleashed on Paradise." Was this true already in 2012? Have you got some evidence?

"It looks like Scott has learned not to listen to the angry fan boy mobs who refuse to give up their ideological views of this franchise and venture off into unknown, more thought provoking territory." Probably he learned to ignore also those like me who like much Prom and hated Covenant. Not because of what an Alien should be in my mind but the fact that the "more thought provoking territory" is a sum of cliche and everything is just nihilistic non-sense. The heroes don't matter and the villain ultimately will be killed by his own Creation. Great.

@BlackAnt I highly doubt that there are millions of fans who would give that RS money to make his movie to be shown on Disney+. Do you know that currently there are about 20 countries where it is available? Why I as a Eastern European would give him money without being able to see it legally? And I never heard about crowd-funding in blind....

@Thoughts_Dreams The director of 28 Days Later was not written by the director Danny Boyle but by Alex Garland who is also responsible for Ex Machina and Devs, both tackling your favorite subject matter AI. 

Big Dave

That is an interesting comment about the Amish people and that might be a part of the answer. I am not sure about the rest even though I understand what you are saying about common people not having thrones and so on. Yes there could be a way that it could be the case in the Engineer society, I just wish that it would look more space-y and odd instead of what they went with but they could handle that in a better way if we will get another movie. Sure this could have been done in Alien Covenant, wouldn't you say so? Perhaps they thought by the reaction that people did not like the Engineers so maybe they did not think that it was worth it to have more than that. Hopefully we will see more of the LV223 Engineers in the next movie and not as much of those in Alien Covenant even though they could be a part of it.

Keep him away from the story and let him build the worlds, environment. Whenever he touches the story we will get disappointments like that android shit. No one can be good at everything so he should stick to what he is good at, that is my opinion. I almost do not have any trust in him left. Get another director maybe? The director of 28 Days Later did a good job, maybe let him try it. Even though David Fincher is unlikely to return I would like to see what he could do without the studio messing it up for him. Clive Barker could maybe work as a director, he directed Hellraiser for those that do not know. John Carpenter could work, he was involved in doing Dark Star with O'Bannon by the way.

Scott could be a producer but he interferes too much with the story he has got to go. Hopefully Disney understands this and does something about it.

@BlackAnt, I'm sure plenty of hardcore fans here would gladly stump up $25 each in advance to get a new movie off he ground. But there aren't 25 million people who would be willing to do that, I'm afraid. 25,000 would be a push.

MonsterZero

So... David must defeat humanity, get his woman and build the Giger World... The Happy End.

xDDD

If this forum was around in the early 90's...Would we be discussing if they should bring back Ripley?

Ripley's story(after ALIENS) was basically over...she beat the queen, got her man and found a daughter. the End.

Davids is begging for closure.

I think, David is cool. But relax - he never left Origae-6. It was Walter. He inherited David's perfect dream.

Hopefully not, let him die, blow him up or something. The sooner he dies the better.

We do not even know if we will get another movie so to think about that might be too early. Give me more about the engineers and have well written human characters in it, if they have that I will be interested. To make things worse it has been many years since AC and to continue the David story keeping in mind how poorly AC did would be a huge mistake. I would not support it, as a matter of fact I would be annoyed if they continued with that because that would mean that they have not listened, they can not be that dumb or can they?

"- what a world ruled by a robot would look like and the effects it would have on the rest of the Galaxy and other alien species."

If that is the way that they will go with it then good luck with getting enough people watch that crap.

Understand that it is about well made human characters and not about androids, that is what the franchise always has been and why it is interesting. If he wants it to be about robots then make another franchise, seriously. It is kind of amazing how they have messed up these prequels because they could have been interesting but they failed in general even though there are parts of them that I like.

"David is a fascinating character, but he has taken over too much of the franchise. Time to die."

Yup, that shit sucks.

 BigDave what is wrong with the web site....I have few spelling mistakes and cannot edit the darn thing.....please advise.

Disney went on this buying spree in the last few years and that has locked them into some rather large investments.

A few months back when Disney set up the purchase of distribution rights by purchasing chucks of bandwidth, they did so at a cost of almost 80 billion dollars….subsequently Disney + was launched and now we see Disney’s play into their own pay as you go to watch entertainment channel.

What is most concerning for fans of the Alien properties purchased under the Fox acquisitions stems from the fact that in the past ten years these were larger budget films that although they made money they were potential huge gambles on solid returns.

Disney is certainly interested in generating solid returns for the foreseeable future with other productions that would translate into larger returns. Super hero films along with the Star Wars Universe and the Theme parks seem to be Disney’s strategy for moving forward towards greater profitability.

So I would like to share with all of you a new strategy. One that I think is rather profound and maybe a way into the future where we as the audience can ensure that our needs are met.

For example let us all take the next and last movie in the “David” Alien franchise sequel we would want to see made.

We know Disney does not want to divert cash to this type of project because for right now their production dollars are being turned into higher grossing revenues by producing other titles.

Let us assume that we present companies like Disney with a different mechanism for getting what we want.

Back in the day Ridley might get on the phone with a script he developed and stated to their financial decision makers what do you say can we get this made. Disney looks at their schedule of everything they are producing and says maybe we will get back to you…weeks later they say we just cannot do it because there are so many other films competing with us in the theater that the film you want to do would actually take money away from a larger production we have slated for release.

With the advent of Disney + we are no longer concerned about movie theaters any more. We are concerned with Disney executives understanding that there is a core audience out there that would like to see Alien content delivered at the right price on the pay preview channel weekly….we want at least one new show and we want a new feature film and we willing to pay for it….however there is a catch.

We control the larger contract of the deal since they own the rights to produce under that name and universe. So we set up a smart contract. Millions of Alien fans literally use block chain smart contracts to pay Disney out a sum of money to watch their subscription produced content when we see they have invested real time and effort into production of said show and movie. So here is how we win. Would 25 million Alien fans be willing to spend 25 dollars up front to see Disney make a show and one feature film for us contingent on them getting the 625,000,000 million once we see what they have made…..if we don’t like their investment they dong get our half billion dollars. So early on their production they better show us the time and effort as well or they get nothing! Cause right now we are getting nothing anyway for a very long time. So it is up to all of us to do something about this and get the content made!

So its easy to set up companies where this happens. Then money is deposited and you can always take it out should Disney not deliver said show and movie by a specified date….no more waiting for 5 -7 years for a new Alien feature to be made….when there is that kind of the money on the table things happen very quickly…..we cannot mess with them on cast and all the rest of the other details; however, we can stimulate them into doing what needs to be done to get our content made without it affecting any of their other core businesses.

Should you all want to do something like this we will make a quick LLC and a payment gateway and start the project….this is not about a quick digital vote lets show Disney we mean business with an email…..this is a lot of hard cash…so much they cannot ignore it no matter what!

It has been a few years since I posted last and I have been busy with some other projects. Have BigDave get in contact with me so we can get some leverage on this quick and get this done.

Disney went on this buying spree in the last few years and that has locked them into some rather large investments.

A few months back when Disney set up the purchase of distribution rights by purchasing chucks of bandwidth, they did so at a cost of almost 80 billion dollars….subsequently Disney + was launched and now we see Disney’s play into their own pay as you go to watch entertainment channel.

What is most concerning for fans of the Alien properties purchased under the Fox acquisitions stems from the fact that in the past ten years these were larger budget films that although they made money they were potential huge gambles on solid returns.

Disney is certainly interested in generating solid returns for the foreseeable future with other productions that would translate into larger returns. Super hero films along with the Star Wars Universe and the Theme parks seem to be Disney’s strategy for moving forward towards greater profitability.

So I would like to share with all of you a new strategy. One that I think is rather profound and maybe a way into the future where we as the audience can ensure that our needs are met.

For example let us all take the next and last movie in the “David” Alien franchise sequel we would want to see made.

We know Disney does not want to divert cash to this type of project because for right now their production dollars are being turned into higher grossing revenues by producing other titles.

Let us assume that we present companies like Disney with a different mechanism for getting what we want.

Back in the day Ridley might get on the phone with a script he developed and stated to their financial decision makers what do you say can we get this made. Disney looks at their schedule of everything they are producing and says maybe we will get back to you…weeks later they say we just cannot do it because there are so many other films competing with us in the theater that the film you want to do would actually take money away from a larger production we have slated for release.

With the advent of Disney + we are no longer concerned about movie theaters any more we are concerned with Disney executives understanding that there is a core audience out there that would like to see Alien content delivered at the right price on the pay preview channel weekly….we want shoes and we want new feature films and we willing to pay for it….however there is a catch.

We control the larger contract of the deal since they own the rights to produce under that name and universe. So we set up a smart contract. Millions of Alien fans literally use block chain smart contracts to pay Disney out a sum of money only subscriptions when we see they have invested real time and effort into production of said shows and movies. So here is an example would 25 million Alien fans be willing to spend 25 dollars up front to see Disney make a show and one feature film for us contingent on them getting the 625,000,000 million once we see what they have made…..if we don’t like their investment they dong get our half billion dollars.

So its easy to set up companies where this happens. Then money is deposited and you can always take it out should Disney not deliver said show and movie by a specified date….no more waiting for 5 -7 years for a new Alien feature to be made….when there is that kind of the money on the table things happen very quickly…..we cannot mess with them on cast and all the rest of the other details; however, we can stimulate them into doing what needs to be done to get our content made without it affecting any of their other core businesses.

Should you all want to do something like this we will make a quick LLC and a payment gateway and start the project….this is not about a quick digital vote lets show Disney we mean business with an email…..this is hard cash and lot of it…so much they cannot ignore it no matter what!

It has been a few years since I posted last and I have been busy with some other projects. Have BigDave get in contact with me so we can get some leverage on this quick and get this done.

End David like they did with Shaw- a teaser explained away with viral videos and show up in a quick back story scene in the actual movie. David is a fascinating character, but he has taken over too much of the franchise. Time to die.

What's is Davids Endgame?

He's created the perfect beast....what's next?

The perfect mate?  This is what I'd go for.....Heaven help the Engineers if they come and kill his immortally beloved!

Yes. Hope they end the David story. I'm not ready to go back to the standard stories just yet.

"As Scott said before, the beast IS cooked and it's time we look behind the curtains and really dissect the mythology surrounding the Derelict on LV-426"

Well Chris we certainly saw that RS felt the Xenomorph had been Explored and Exploited over and over, i am not sure it was COOKED.. but you Certainly Needed a New Recipe to try rather than Humans Discover Eggs on LV-426 and try to Obtain Xenomorph Eggs for a Bio-Weapon... which proves a Folly!

On Screen i dont think you can KEEP repeating that Formula. And so YES looking at WHERE and HOW the Xenomorph came to be was the Direction to take (Alien Engineers).  But ONCE you have Answered that then its a Case of WHAT NEXT?  And so you have to look BEYOND the Xenomorph as far as WHO Created them and WHY, and explore THEM (not the Xenomorph).

OR you would have to look at another END GAME for the Pursuit of a Xenomorph beyond trying to think Gaining a Queen to Lay Eggs that can make a Horrific Monster to then use as some kind of Killing Machine, how many times would Mankind keep trying this?  We have to look at what more can be Exploited from them BEYOND merely a Chest Busting Snarling Killing Machine.

"Originally the Prometheus story arc would have seen David create an Alien race of his own which would come to a head with the vengeful Engineer species"

We can only Speculate as to WHERE it was that a Alien Covenant sequel would go, but INDEED the Comments by RS did seem to indicate that David would be off to CREATE his OWN kind of Paradise on Origae-6 before a incoming Human Ship and then Engineers come to SPOIL the Party!

I have seen some other Interpretations, where Fans seem to think David will SET-UP his Store on LV-426 to try and Mass Produce his KNOCK OFFS... then the Engineers Rock Up.... and BRING their very OWN and ORIGINAL Monsters...

Sounds more like a ALIENS vs ALIENS that would be better suited to a Comic ;)

I know it may NOT please some.... but i think the CREATION/CREATOR Plot is more Important!

While we have STARTED with the David as the Creator Plot... and we know the Engineers were interested in Creation, Evolution and Perfection... it would be more BETTER if some Engineers see Davids Creation that has Surpassed what some of them had Attempted... and then also seen again that David is more Perfect than their other Creations (Mankind)

They see the Scope in David and his Xenomorph and maybe other Humanoid he Creates and they then decide to make a AMALGAMATION of them... and the XENOMORH from ALIEN is Born!

Then we see them think they can go and LOAD up these Amalgamated Creations and take them away... which the Space Jockey soon Discovers is STILL a Folly!

Lesson to Learn.... DONT play GOD, dont mess/experiment with STUFF you cant Control..... but its TOO LATE for our Space Jockey...

Then onto Mankind to make the same Hubris in the ALIEN Franchise.

@Leto

I have to agree with your last Paragraph, to a degree....

I fully Understand the Changes from Alien Engineers to Prometheus, there was Quite a Set-up to Alien Engineers a Background of the Engineers that seemed to be left out as Alien Engineers tried to TIE a bit more with the Xenomorph.

If a Alien Engineers was made instead then it would be a case of WHERE do they GO next?  Maybe we would need more Information to WHY the Engineers were Connected with the Xenomorph etc... but the other Plot was about these would be Creators.... what caused them to go from Creators to Destroyers....

This where Prometheus came about as such a Plot was interesting to Follow, the ERROR they made was they FELT you could basically Remove the Xenomorph and Answers.

Then a Sequel could deal withe the Engineers having given us such Very Little to Answer ALIEN...  But then FOX etc felt that maybe NOT giving the answers and showing the Xenomorph was a Mistake and it seemed a LOT of what a Prometheus 2 could have given us, was Brushed aside to give us a more Direct Prequel to ALIEN!

So its BRING the Beast Back... start to indicate its Origins.... but the CURVE-BALL was a Very Bitter Pill to Swallow!

I think what we NEEDED.... was a Prometheus 2 that would have been more like Alien Engineers... i mean its likely the Company would SEND someone to LV-223 and this would have been the PERFECT chance to then GIVE more Answers to the goings on as far as LV-223 and the Xenomorph, the CLIMAX seeing something similar to the Xenomorph but then LV-223 being DESTROYED!

But the END of the Movie we have a Survivor or a Message that informs the Company that while LV-223 is Destroyed, one of the Experiments had escaped LV-223 and is Stranded on a Near by Moon of LV-426..... 

This SETS UP the Special Order 937 and closed the DOOR to ALIEN.

Where then another Prometheus Sequel could have followed David and Dr Shaw who would go to the Engineers Home-world which could be Located in a MUCH further place in the Galaxy or another Galaxy where David and Dr Shaw would NOT arrive there until after ALIEN.

What i am saying is Prometheus did-not give any real Closure to ALIEN and Alien Covenant seemed to Sacrifice what could have been Good from Prometheus to introduce the Xenomorph and give some Closure to Alien but in a WAY that is just NOT going to do it any Justice...

We are still in a PICKLE!

We can only HOPE they have a Good Team of Writers in who can make a Way around the Pickle, to  give ALIEN some Closure, while also NOT throwing away the Creation Plot and Engineers....

Come up with a 1-2 Movie Story and STICK to it... if some Fans throw Toys out the Pushchair... Tough Luck.. STICK to your Guns because trying to Chop and Change to Please Every Fan would just be a FOLLY.

But i think you would have to leave it OPEN in a way that they could in Future Expand on more ALIEN Movies that DONT have to go back over and over to the Derelict... but also leave it open for the Engineers to be out there... somewhere to be Explored in Future too.