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@BlackAnt, I'm sure plenty of hardcore fans here would gladly stump up $25 each in advance to get a new movie off he ground. But there aren't 25 million people who would be willing to do that, I'm afraid. 25,000 would be a push.

MonsterZero

So... David must defeat humanity, get his woman and build the Giger World... The Happy End.

xDDD

If this forum was around in the early 90's...Would we be discussing if they should bring back Ripley?

Ripley's story(after ALIENS) was basically over...she beat the queen, got her man and found a daughter. the End.

Davids is begging for closure.

I think, David is cool. But relax - he never left Origae-6. It was Walter. He inherited David's perfect dream.

Hopefully not, let him die, blow him up or something. The sooner he dies the better.

We do not even know if we will get another movie so to think about that might be too early. Give me more about the engineers and have well written human characters in it, if they have that I will be interested. To make things worse it has been many years since AC and to continue the David story keeping in mind how poorly AC did would be a huge mistake. I would not support it, as a matter of fact I would be annoyed if they continued with that because that would mean that they have not listened, they can not be that dumb or can they?

"- what a world ruled by a robot would look like and the effects it would have on the rest of the Galaxy and other alien species."

If that is the way that they will go with it then good luck with getting enough people watch that crap.

Understand that it is about well made human characters and not about androids, that is what the franchise always has been and why it is interesting. If he wants it to be about robots then make another franchise, seriously. It is kind of amazing how they have messed up these prequels because they could have been interesting but they failed in general even though there are parts of them that I like.

"David is a fascinating character, but he has taken over too much of the franchise. Time to die."

Yup, that shit sucks.

 BigDave what is wrong with the web site....I have few spelling mistakes and cannot edit the darn thing.....please advise.

Disney went on this buying spree in the last few years and that has locked them into some rather large investments.

A few months back when Disney set up the purchase of distribution rights by purchasing chucks of bandwidth, they did so at a cost of almost 80 billion dollars….subsequently Disney + was launched and now we see Disney’s play into their own pay as you go to watch entertainment channel.

What is most concerning for fans of the Alien properties purchased under the Fox acquisitions stems from the fact that in the past ten years these were larger budget films that although they made money they were potential huge gambles on solid returns.

Disney is certainly interested in generating solid returns for the foreseeable future with other productions that would translate into larger returns. Super hero films along with the Star Wars Universe and the Theme parks seem to be Disney’s strategy for moving forward towards greater profitability.

So I would like to share with all of you a new strategy. One that I think is rather profound and maybe a way into the future where we as the audience can ensure that our needs are met.

For example let us all take the next and last movie in the “David” Alien franchise sequel we would want to see made.

We know Disney does not want to divert cash to this type of project because for right now their production dollars are being turned into higher grossing revenues by producing other titles.

Let us assume that we present companies like Disney with a different mechanism for getting what we want.

Back in the day Ridley might get on the phone with a script he developed and stated to their financial decision makers what do you say can we get this made. Disney looks at their schedule of everything they are producing and says maybe we will get back to you…weeks later they say we just cannot do it because there are so many other films competing with us in the theater that the film you want to do would actually take money away from a larger production we have slated for release.

With the advent of Disney + we are no longer concerned about movie theaters any more. We are concerned with Disney executives understanding that there is a core audience out there that would like to see Alien content delivered at the right price on the pay preview channel weekly….we want at least one new show and we want a new feature film and we willing to pay for it….however there is a catch.

We control the larger contract of the deal since they own the rights to produce under that name and universe. So we set up a smart contract. Millions of Alien fans literally use block chain smart contracts to pay Disney out a sum of money to watch their subscription produced content when we see they have invested real time and effort into production of said show and movie. So here is how we win. Would 25 million Alien fans be willing to spend 25 dollars up front to see Disney make a show and one feature film for us contingent on them getting the 625,000,000 million once we see what they have made…..if we don’t like their investment they dong get our half billion dollars. So early on their production they better show us the time and effort as well or they get nothing! Cause right now we are getting nothing anyway for a very long time. So it is up to all of us to do something about this and get the content made!

So its easy to set up companies where this happens. Then money is deposited and you can always take it out should Disney not deliver said show and movie by a specified date….no more waiting for 5 -7 years for a new Alien feature to be made….when there is that kind of the money on the table things happen very quickly…..we cannot mess with them on cast and all the rest of the other details; however, we can stimulate them into doing what needs to be done to get our content made without it affecting any of their other core businesses.

Should you all want to do something like this we will make a quick LLC and a payment gateway and start the project….this is not about a quick digital vote lets show Disney we mean business with an email…..this is a lot of hard cash…so much they cannot ignore it no matter what!

It has been a few years since I posted last and I have been busy with some other projects. Have BigDave get in contact with me so we can get some leverage on this quick and get this done.

Disney went on this buying spree in the last few years and that has locked them into some rather large investments.

A few months back when Disney set up the purchase of distribution rights by purchasing chucks of bandwidth, they did so at a cost of almost 80 billion dollars….subsequently Disney + was launched and now we see Disney’s play into their own pay as you go to watch entertainment channel.

What is most concerning for fans of the Alien properties purchased under the Fox acquisitions stems from the fact that in the past ten years these were larger budget films that although they made money they were potential huge gambles on solid returns.

Disney is certainly interested in generating solid returns for the foreseeable future with other productions that would translate into larger returns. Super hero films along with the Star Wars Universe and the Theme parks seem to be Disney’s strategy for moving forward towards greater profitability.

So I would like to share with all of you a new strategy. One that I think is rather profound and maybe a way into the future where we as the audience can ensure that our needs are met.

For example let us all take the next and last movie in the “David” Alien franchise sequel we would want to see made.

We know Disney does not want to divert cash to this type of project because for right now their production dollars are being turned into higher grossing revenues by producing other titles.

Let us assume that we present companies like Disney with a different mechanism for getting what we want.

Back in the day Ridley might get on the phone with a script he developed and stated to their financial decision makers what do you say can we get this made. Disney looks at their schedule of everything they are producing and says maybe we will get back to you…weeks later they say we just cannot do it because there are so many other films competing with us in the theater that the film you want to do would actually take money away from a larger production we have slated for release.

With the advent of Disney + we are no longer concerned about movie theaters any more we are concerned with Disney executives understanding that there is a core audience out there that would like to see Alien content delivered at the right price on the pay preview channel weekly….we want shoes and we want new feature films and we willing to pay for it….however there is a catch.

We control the larger contract of the deal since they own the rights to produce under that name and universe. So we set up a smart contract. Millions of Alien fans literally use block chain smart contracts to pay Disney out a sum of money only subscriptions when we see they have invested real time and effort into production of said shows and movies. So here is an example would 25 million Alien fans be willing to spend 25 dollars up front to see Disney make a show and one feature film for us contingent on them getting the 625,000,000 million once we see what they have made…..if we don’t like their investment they dong get our half billion dollars.

So its easy to set up companies where this happens. Then money is deposited and you can always take it out should Disney not deliver said show and movie by a specified date….no more waiting for 5 -7 years for a new Alien feature to be made….when there is that kind of the money on the table things happen very quickly…..we cannot mess with them on cast and all the rest of the other details; however, we can stimulate them into doing what needs to be done to get our content made without it affecting any of their other core businesses.

Should you all want to do something like this we will make a quick LLC and a payment gateway and start the project….this is not about a quick digital vote lets show Disney we mean business with an email…..this is hard cash and lot of it…so much they cannot ignore it no matter what!

It has been a few years since I posted last and I have been busy with some other projects. Have BigDave get in contact with me so we can get some leverage on this quick and get this done.

End David like they did with Shaw- a teaser explained away with viral videos and show up in a quick back story scene in the actual movie. David is a fascinating character, but he has taken over too much of the franchise. Time to die.

What's is Davids Endgame?

He's created the perfect beast....what's next?

The perfect mate?  This is what I'd go for.....Heaven help the Engineers if they come and kill his immortally beloved!

Yes. Hope they end the David story. I'm not ready to go back to the standard stories just yet.

"As Scott said before, the beast IS cooked and it's time we look behind the curtains and really dissect the mythology surrounding the Derelict on LV-426"

Well Chris we certainly saw that RS felt the Xenomorph had been Explored and Exploited over and over, i am not sure it was COOKED.. but you Certainly Needed a New Recipe to try rather than Humans Discover Eggs on LV-426 and try to Obtain Xenomorph Eggs for a Bio-Weapon... which proves a Folly!

On Screen i dont think you can KEEP repeating that Formula. And so YES looking at WHERE and HOW the Xenomorph came to be was the Direction to take (Alien Engineers).  But ONCE you have Answered that then its a Case of WHAT NEXT?  And so you have to look BEYOND the Xenomorph as far as WHO Created them and WHY, and explore THEM (not the Xenomorph).

OR you would have to look at another END GAME for the Pursuit of a Xenomorph beyond trying to think Gaining a Queen to Lay Eggs that can make a Horrific Monster to then use as some kind of Killing Machine, how many times would Mankind keep trying this?  We have to look at what more can be Exploited from them BEYOND merely a Chest Busting Snarling Killing Machine.

"Originally the Prometheus story arc would have seen David create an Alien race of his own which would come to a head with the vengeful Engineer species"

We can only Speculate as to WHERE it was that a Alien Covenant sequel would go, but INDEED the Comments by RS did seem to indicate that David would be off to CREATE his OWN kind of Paradise on Origae-6 before a incoming Human Ship and then Engineers come to SPOIL the Party!

I have seen some other Interpretations, where Fans seem to think David will SET-UP his Store on LV-426 to try and Mass Produce his KNOCK OFFS... then the Engineers Rock Up.... and BRING their very OWN and ORIGINAL Monsters...

Sounds more like a ALIENS vs ALIENS that would be better suited to a Comic ;)

I know it may NOT please some.... but i think the CREATION/CREATOR Plot is more Important!

While we have STARTED with the David as the Creator Plot... and we know the Engineers were interested in Creation, Evolution and Perfection... it would be more BETTER if some Engineers see Davids Creation that has Surpassed what some of them had Attempted... and then also seen again that David is more Perfect than their other Creations (Mankind)

They see the Scope in David and his Xenomorph and maybe other Humanoid he Creates and they then decide to make a AMALGAMATION of them... and the XENOMORH from ALIEN is Born!

Then we see them think they can go and LOAD up these Amalgamated Creations and take them away... which the Space Jockey soon Discovers is STILL a Folly!

Lesson to Learn.... DONT play GOD, dont mess/experiment with STUFF you cant Control..... but its TOO LATE for our Space Jockey...

Then onto Mankind to make the same Hubris in the ALIEN Franchise.

@Leto

I have to agree with your last Paragraph, to a degree....

I fully Understand the Changes from Alien Engineers to Prometheus, there was Quite a Set-up to Alien Engineers a Background of the Engineers that seemed to be left out as Alien Engineers tried to TIE a bit more with the Xenomorph.

If a Alien Engineers was made instead then it would be a case of WHERE do they GO next?  Maybe we would need more Information to WHY the Engineers were Connected with the Xenomorph etc... but the other Plot was about these would be Creators.... what caused them to go from Creators to Destroyers....

This where Prometheus came about as such a Plot was interesting to Follow, the ERROR they made was they FELT you could basically Remove the Xenomorph and Answers.

Then a Sequel could deal withe the Engineers having given us such Very Little to Answer ALIEN...  But then FOX etc felt that maybe NOT giving the answers and showing the Xenomorph was a Mistake and it seemed a LOT of what a Prometheus 2 could have given us, was Brushed aside to give us a more Direct Prequel to ALIEN!

So its BRING the Beast Back... start to indicate its Origins.... but the CURVE-BALL was a Very Bitter Pill to Swallow!

I think what we NEEDED.... was a Prometheus 2 that would have been more like Alien Engineers... i mean its likely the Company would SEND someone to LV-223 and this would have been the PERFECT chance to then GIVE more Answers to the goings on as far as LV-223 and the Xenomorph, the CLIMAX seeing something similar to the Xenomorph but then LV-223 being DESTROYED!

But the END of the Movie we have a Survivor or a Message that informs the Company that while LV-223 is Destroyed, one of the Experiments had escaped LV-223 and is Stranded on a Near by Moon of LV-426..... 

This SETS UP the Special Order 937 and closed the DOOR to ALIEN.

Where then another Prometheus Sequel could have followed David and Dr Shaw who would go to the Engineers Home-world which could be Located in a MUCH further place in the Galaxy or another Galaxy where David and Dr Shaw would NOT arrive there until after ALIEN.

What i am saying is Prometheus did-not give any real Closure to ALIEN and Alien Covenant seemed to Sacrifice what could have been Good from Prometheus to introduce the Xenomorph and give some Closure to Alien but in a WAY that is just NOT going to do it any Justice...

We are still in a PICKLE!

We can only HOPE they have a Good Team of Writers in who can make a Way around the Pickle, to  give ALIEN some Closure, while also NOT throwing away the Creation Plot and Engineers....

Come up with a 1-2 Movie Story and STICK to it... if some Fans throw Toys out the Pushchair... Tough Luck.. STICK to your Guns because trying to Chop and Change to Please Every Fan would just be a FOLLY.

But i think you would have to leave it OPEN in a way that they could in Future Expand on more ALIEN Movies that DONT have to go back over and over to the Derelict... but also leave it open for the Engineers to be out there... somewhere to be Explored in Future too.

I am not sure this really gives us anything New to go by, RS does have a Habit of changing his Mind a LOT...  after Alien Covenant and when he had dropped the name Alien Awakening he had mentioned that he Felt he was ahead of the CURVE with Prometheus, and the Next Movie would NOT be about the ALIEN but about what KIND of a World that David would Create.

However in a Latter Comment he had Suggested that you could go a Few more Rounds with the Beast, and it HAS to be about HIM, but you have to Evolve Him...

Even Latter he had said that you can still go back to the Beast but you have to EVOLVE it and look at other ways of Procreation.

So i think they still DONT have a Story or really know where to GO with it, do they ONCE again take on-board what they Felt the Fans had complaints about?

Which could mean a U-Turn again to show the Xenomorph was a Ancient Weapon, that had NOTHING to do with David? You think RS is also going to THROW OUT the Plot about David?

Looking into the Interview i dont see RS suggesting the ALIEN is the Awakening...

"What I always thought when I was making the first one"

This Comment to me seems more aimed at ALIEN and not so much Prometheus or Alien Covenant.  The Answers have Evolved/Changed as we have Progressed.

For RS to suggest we have to RE-EVOLVE the Xenomorph, to me this seems to Suggest that he intends the Prequels to CONNECT to ALIEN... and at Present the Xenomorph from Alien Covenant is NOT yet what we see in ALIEN, it has some Evolving to go.

I think Aesthetically we do see that Planet 4 does have some of the Bio-Mechanical which may seem Restricted to the Juggernauts and Docking Ship.

The other Buildings may have that Ancient look to them but it seems they also have Technology so its NOT like they are as Advanced as say Mankind Culture was 2000 Years+ ago.

Many of our Ancient Buildings that are in USE as of Today would NOT rely on Ancient Heating and Lighting as they would have when First Constructed for Example.

So it seems the Technology or Limitations on Planet 4 apart from for the USE in Certain Areas (Ships) is either a Cultural Thing like say the Amish People do, or Controlled and Limited by the Hierarchy where Certain Technology is ONLY really Used/Permitted for Certain things.

We could also maybe NOT rule out that their Ancestors had Turned away and Abandoned Certain Technology but i dont BUY that due to the Scorpion Docking Ship and how the Engineers reacted to seeing a Incoming Engineer Ship.

I think we can look at Ancient Cultures on Earth, where the Kings and the Like would LIVE in Places that are FAR more Luxurious and Furnished than the Majority of Normal Folk, the cultural Divide between the Kings and common Folk was Quite a lot in some Ancient Cultures.

As far as Clothing, Furnishings..... your common Folk would not have Posh Armour, Chairs, Tables or Thrones...

So the Engineers Culture could only Permit the more Advanced Technology to Certain Appointed Tasks and those who Carry them out, and also the Hierarchy/Governors of their Society.

"Derelict on LV-426, the Engineers and why such a creature was created in the first place."

So, Ridley finally understood the beauty of the Alien: Engineers script? xD

By the way, he had two attempts to tell us of these things. But he preferred to throw bait (drive us by nose) to hook us for the next films (provide him with a stable income). Or maybe he was simply embarrassed to openly show his ideas in films?

Whatever.

It is this indecision or deliberate avoidance of those things for which the sequels were filmed and brought Alien franchise to limbo. Not xenomorph.

Some other Ripley-related facts...

There's a crater on Pluto's moon Charon unofficially named after Ellen Ripley. It sits atop a rift valley, itself unofficially named Nostromo Chasma.

The surname has its origins in Old English: ripel (strip of land) + leah (wood). So, a clearing in a wood.

Ripley in Derbyshire, England, is not so far from where I grew up.

There is much that is left unexplained about the Engineer society. What we have seen suggests that they live a kind of religious life, like monks, shunning the trappings of material wealth, and focusing on matters like 'gardening'. Natural stone isn't a bad choice if you live that way.

As for the business of the Giger ship and biomechanics, another faction could be ultimately responsible, or perhaps it's something that appeared somewhere hundreds of millions of years ago, perhaps even from another race of beings. Lots of possibilities, one reason I like the Engineer aspect so much.

Not too impressed with it, it is like they live in stone huts in some village or similar. They should have had a better design, for example bio-mechanical so that is something that was disappointing about Alien Covenant. Maybe they were just a faction that decided to live some place else.

I have looked around for Gothic architecture, it seems alright. Maybe they could have something that is inspired by that if they get to the Engineer planet. Search at Google to see what that is like. Combine that with the Giger style and it could be interesting.

It depends on what kind of settings that they use when they use the sunbed. ;)

Love this idea Fowleri! 

CarynDelacroix wrote:

"To add to the theory:  The company purposely selected the Covenant vessel, or rerouted it to the planet, to symbolize the transaction being made here between the two androids. The angels on the Covenant logo represent David and Walter."

Yeah I like that. The 'Colonists' might also be prisoners, miscreants or political adversaries of W Y....The crew of the Covenant seemed like they'd burned some bridges and W Y would like to see them 'go away'. 

zona wrote:

"1. There was no obligation on their part to go to the "new planet" they could either go or not... Even if Weyland had planned the "accident" that sent the colonist there, they could have decided to just get back to their mission"

Could be explained by MUTHUR? It was never going to let them continue.....it would cripple the Covenant, preventing them from leaving the sector?

the odds of the Covenant passing by Planet 4 on it's way to Origae is almost impossible...think of standing on Earth and plotting a course to Origae that just happens to pass by David and Shaw on Planet 4....Just no way that is happening.

"David seems pleasantly surprised when they tell him they are on a colonisation mission."

Maybe bumbling bureaucratic W Y didn't inform David on what form his subjects were to be delivered?

Weylend Yutani "Don't worry you'll get your test subjects soon..." 

Hi, it'd be intriguing if Weyland Yutani sent the pledge transport there just so David can unfreeze every settler when he needs to, to use for experimentation

He has the Covenent team, however 5000 travelers he can investigate if that is the situation

Would I put it past Weyland/Yutani to do that? Not in any manner

Regards,

Grady M Kidwell

In defense of the film, it was quite innovative. As you mentioned, mostly the way its shot and also the dialogue come to mind in thinking "why is it the best film of all time". But it totally depends on the kind of films you're into, even if it is called "the best film of all time", that is only by those who can in the first place enjoy films that are dated, too talky, stagy, etc. Which Citizen Kane at points certainly is. I wouldn't say even from afar that it is the best film of all time. But I would defend it was the best film of the era under which it was conceived.

Citizen Kane is forward-thinking in ways other film weren't. If you look at Citizen Kane with the 70+ years there's been of cinema evolution since it came out, it looks totally antique. But if you look at any Frank Capra or Howard Hawks movie you'll understand that Orson Welles had a much more mature approach to filmmaking, most of all dialogue overlapping and camera transitions.

And finally another thing that I'd like to defend it's the narrator. Once my mother asked me about Citizen Kane and I told her it was great and she should watch it. She later told me she had tried but couldn't get past the obnoxious narrator voice. But actually when I first saw the film, I thought it was on purpose. Notice how once the narration is over, and the reveal is made that in the first 10 minutes "it was all a cheap documentary all along", the dialogue immediately turns way more natural and witty. So that narrator, being as square as he was, sounds like Orson Welles himself was mocking the over-exaggeration of pronunciation of dialogue in movies itself.

For example, if you see the rest of the films that were nominated for the Academy Awards back in 1942 you'll see that they all pail in comparison to the quality of Citizen Kane. Even The Maltese Falcon, which is a great movie, still works under way simpler camera movements and bigger leaps in credibility. Citizen Kane was more forward-thinking, it's shot with the kind of ambition films would be shot nowadays and the characters are more fleshed-out and flawed.

I'd recommend you to read a little bit about it, it's a very interesting "trivia" film, even if you don't like it. As you pointed out, it inspired countless both famous and infamous films and filmmakers. It might not be the best film I've ever saw, but it does seem to be a big center point of cinema in general, all paths lead to it somehow, given how ahead of its time it was and how many people it inspired. A Wikipedia article would be enough and a second watch wouldn't harm it. If you're really intrigued watch a documentary. "The Battle Over Citizen Kane" seems to be the go-to CK doc.

Certainly the Goo that David had on his Fingers did seem to have Nano Particles swimming in it, these could indeed be some kind of Life Form/Parasite.

The Earlier Drafts we never had the Goo but Nano-Scarabs, and so its Possible the Scarabs are replaced with Nano-Worm like Parasites.

Above is Sperm under a Microscope we see Many Many what are in effect Nano Cells. So the Pathogen could be similar.

I would NOT suspect the Worms in Prometheus that got Infected with the Goo are related to the Pathogen, i would say they was either some Native Worm/Grub like Organism or one that had been brought by Accident to LV-223 by the Engineers in the Past.

Some Props of what they Intended from Holloways Infection and so we can see the Eye-Worm was not the ONLY such Parasite, their would have been Many, and then Holloway would have started to go through his Transformation.

So looking at those Concepts, and Holloway Props then maybe they was running with the same idea, which could be NOT far from the Original Scarab Idea just change Nano-Scarabs to Nano-Worm like Parasite.

However they are NOT quite Worms..  they are more like the Cnidaria Life-Form Hydra's or indeed Ancient Cystoidea (Primitive Echinoderms).

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I think what it BOILS down to is FREE-WILL

With Free-Will then a Intelligent Creation would have the Capacity to be Evil or Good, they can be Shaped by their Environment and Experiences.

A Creation without Free-will could in effect be Programed to Follow Certain Ways/Rules.

You then also have Creation that relies on Instincts and Survival, this is the case with Most Life-Forms their Actions are NOT to be Considered Evil or Good they are just Surviving.

With the Engineers they appear to be a Species that has the Capacity for Free-will, which can become Chaotic and so this is where the Hierarchy would have Certain Rules and Regulations.

And some of these Rules/Ways may seem a little Wicked to some, but they would be Greater Reasons for such Rules/Rituals.   The Engineers would likely NOT view Mankind as being on the Same Level as them, and we could be seen to them as we would view Monkeys.

With Free-will comes the ability to Revolt and disobey the Rules and those who do-so could be seen as EVIL from the stance of the Hierarchy and so in this Context then PROMETHEUS would be seen as BAD in the Eyes of the Olympians/Zeus, as he would also had been seen as a Traitor to the other Titans.

While to Humanity he would NOT be considered as BAD but someone who is a Protector, someone who is Enlightening Mankind and trying to Help them against Oppression of the Gods.

If we try and look DEEPER with the Engineers, then their would likely had been Different Factions, who is to say if any are Truly Evil or Truly Good, they could be Neutral but have Different Opinions and Ways... but then their is the Potential for their to be SINISTER members of their Society.

I think its Possible they could have had Waring Factions in the Past, before at some point their was a Governing Body that is Created to Control and Maintain Order.... so their Species may have have Conflict and War before the DAWN of their own kind of NWO (New World Order).

So i think the Engineers are as likely to be Evil and Good as Mankind is too.

some interesting posts Lirk

Especially the one by Fabrizio Clerici

You could almost imagine the Engineers having what would be Flying Cities where they could DEPART a World if Needed.  so Flying Cities that would LAND and Set-Up on a Planet but be able to Depart when Needed, Cities that are maybe Flying Platforms of say a 2-3KM Diameter.

Think that would make a Good Read

Really nice work, upvoted! Thanks for sharing this with us!

H. R. Giger

Fabrizio Clerici

Isle of the Dead by Arnold Böcklin (1883)

HI buddy, thanks for notifying us. I loved your contribution.

Thanks,

Ruben E Robertson

@baiselmareo6

Well this is why I put them in quotation marks. Of course what is "good" and what is "bad" is somewhat a matter of perspective.

In this context I was clearly referring to them as corresponding to "God", "Zeus", "Prometheus", "Satan" - which should give you a straight forward explanation what is to be considered "good" or "bad", namely creating mankind and teaching them is (from our point of view) good. Wanting to destroy mankind is (from our point of view) bad. Clear as mud.

And I'm not saying that this or this group of Engineers is an identity with God or Satan or Zeus or Prometheus or that the myths played out literally. But the underlying pattern is clearly: one group of Engineers is benevolent towards mankind and one group is hostile (or at least instructed to destroy us, while being indifferent about it).

when david takes a little black goo on his finger we see floating roundworms inside. when swallowed by Charlie, he also has roundworms in his eye. on the ground in the temple large roundworms crawl and later melt into black goo and later when two astronauts come to this place black goo changed the roundworms into large snakes that have sour blood. hologram engineers are escaping to the room with their heads wondering where they are going, this must be a secret passage. I wonder if goo urns were there then, but they had to be there. the atmosphere had to be different since the paintings and survived and the urns did not open. for two thousand years the atmosphere has changed due to terraforming. the green crystal looks like a cracked maybe worn away by engineers when they fled and turned off thus maintaining the atmosphere so that the worms did not give birth to aliens from which they fled. but there was probably one more type of pathogen that David dumped on the planet of the engineer. this goo destroyed DNA and all of life. just like in the Bible at the end of the world, angels pour cups on the earth with plague, death, poisoned rivers, etc. only this did not happen because around 200 A.D. engineers died on the planet.

Certainly the Trilobite was a Indication that what we have is a Hybrid Organism a Face Hugger Type Creature that has Human DNA.  I would assume the Deacon would appear similar if Born from a Human, it would look similar but maybe would be Smaller.

The Neomorphs are a Result of what we can assume are some kind of Mold/Fungi that is Infected with the Pathogen to have the DNA of some Organism that is Genetically Related to a Deacon, well what ever Process that the Black Goo was obtained from.  The Spores would infect a Host to Gestate a Neomorph.

It appears that David had Experimented and tried to Engineer the Neomorph, as well as other Organisms that where Experimented with the Black Goo more Directly, and then he had Combined the Black Goo and Neomorph with Various other Organisms to Obtain their Traits in the GOAL of making a AMALGAMATION of Organisms Traits/DNA that he would then use to INFECT a Egg Cell to create other Organisms.

The Engineers did not YIELD as Good Results, but with Dr Shaws Egg Cells he was able to Create the Xenomorph.

The Xenomorph looks more Organic because it is a Protomorph and likely the Progenitor to the Xenomorph in the Franchise, that would have to go through some more Evolving/Engineering before we ARRIVE at the Eggs on LV-426.

Very Valid Point ;)

While we do see Black Liquid pouring down the Engineers Face/Head, when the Head does EXPLODE we do indeed see Fluid that is more Yellowish Color, like a Off White.  We have to ASK as to WHY we did not see any Splatter of Black Material?

The Creamy Color Material could be BRAIN Matter, but then if the Engineers had Black Blood then we should have surely seen some Black Blood Splatter too.  The Black Goo however is shown to be Black and so it could be the Pathogen seeping from the Engineers Head before it Exploded.

If we look at the Sacrificial Engineer we do see Black Stuff running through the Engineers Veins after he Consumes the GOO but prior to that i get the impression that maybe his Blood would be some kind of Dark Purple?

However when we see the Engineer being SHOT we do see his Suit does SEEP a Black Substance from the Wound. Could this Liquid just be from the Suit though?

If it was a Wound to the Engineer that was DEEP enough to pass through the Suit and Cause the Engineer to Bleed then judging by the Amount of Blood and Location the Engineer would have surely suffered some LUNG Damage, but maybe they can SHRUG off Pain?

Finally the Deacon Birth, from this Scene we see a Explosion of Blood/Fluid that appears to have a Very Dark Reddish Color we also see on the Floor the Blood/Liquid has a Reddish Tint, yet on his Suit we see a more Black Liquid.

I would say the Intention would be the Engineers have a Very Dark Blood Color that  ALMOST appears Black.

Regarding the Slime on the Panel... well if the Engineers Blood was a Greenish Color and almost Transparent, then it could be the Blood of a Engineer.  However there has been NO real Explanation  given for what that Substance was.

So we can but just Speculate ;)

      LV-426 was scheduled to be the latest of Earth’s penal colonies, it would be replacing the facilities on  Fiorina “Fury” 161.  Fiorina, with it’s vast ocean, was too valuable to waste on Earth’s criminals and with advancements in terraforming technology, it was time to upgrade the planet. Earth’s stock markets loved the news and the stock(symbol FIOA) soared, land options were purchased and the planet’s repurpose was in full swing.

       No such fate for LV-223, it’s lack of a global ocean and it’s sister moon, LV-426,  claiming a future penal colony(the moon wasn’t even listed on the stock exchange!)…...Well, it was a hard sell to any potential land owners. Weyland-Yutani did not give up so easily, they would place three permanent outposts upon the large moon, it was theirs and they would fight for it.

Alien3 was released on this day! 1992.

Ripley ”Can we jettison some weight and get our delta v..”

Hicks “Already ran the numbers” gesturing towards the display “Still not enough”

Ripley ”Maybe if we used the armament to increase our…”

Hicks “Yup, ran those numbers too” visibly deflated “No go, just burn up faster or bounce off the atmosphere” 

Ripley “Orbit” , “Can we establish an orbit?”

Hicks “Yeah, we can do that….” puzzled “So...what’s your plan?”

Ripley “No plan” smiling weakley “Just don’t want to burn up”

    Hicks wasn’t going to argue about that one, besides he was thinking about Vasquez’s recent birthday party, the squad had come down with something and that had left Drake and himself to scarf down most of the cake and pasta dishes….His stomach grumbled painfully….Lemon cake with banana topping, something Bishop had whipped up for her...Good times.

LV-223 loomed ever larger.

Hicks “I got something..”

Ripley “What is it?”

Hicks “It’s metallic..Hyperbolic orbit...Rotating..”, “I think it’s another ship”