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Thanks! :)

@BigDave

I think you should understand two things:
1) The film is not about xenomorph - doesn't mean the absence of xenomorph or its evolution. This means that something else will be put at the forefront. The covenant, too, was not about xenomorph.

2) Let's look at things real and be honest. This is not about the plot. The probability of getting 2 more prequels, I'm not talking about 5-6 - is simply unrealistic. As Miss Vickers would say: "if it were your money". If Ridley funded the prequels from his wallet - I'm sure the studio would have agreed. But why would the studio give money for projects that are not profitable?

I hope that Ridley understands this and instead of the next half-word, the next intermediate part and a new start, he will complete all the storylines that he started.

Of course, we can dream of a whole epic from Ridley, why not? But I also dream of a new director who will give the franchise a new breath. And he will do this without sending good scripts to the bin and introducing strange metaphors instead, and also without a greedy desire to catch the viewer on the hook with questions that have no answers and try to milk for decades.

it dawned on me. Maybe david has not been turned off. You can see that
David was damaged in the back by Walter and could not move. He could
convince Walter to his side and also gave him the access code to David
and gave him embryos. David continued his experiments. Maybe he didn't
fly at Origae 6, he just told the company. Maybe the engineers
returned to planet 4, saw what David did, took the eggs on the
croissant and decided to lay them on LV 426 in a safe place. Or the
eggs were not the only face hunters got onto the ship. Space Jockey
could have been a very old engineer, a few who survived the race. He
was very old, he had no legs anymore, so he had to exist glued to the
chair and be a biomechanical being. When traveling to LV426 or to
Earth, we do not know whether it was enough for him to kill David or
revenge on humanity, david also cared about it, so they could come to
a covenant and bring eggs or pathogen to the ground together, but on
board was a hunter of the face, attacked the old an engineer, he
defended himself, killed himself and acid blood gnawed the deck up to
the hold. The second hunter of the face impregnated Jockey and the
queen was born from her breast, who laid eggs in the hold. Space
jockey died but before that he managed to sound the warning signal.
David escaped, and decided to send a signal to the Yutani company that
he found an interesting life form. It could also be that David or
Walter somehow hacked the computer system and adnroids. He unpacked
Asch and told him to bring an alien to the ground.

I like it! The carapace and mouth sans inner mouth looks much better than the bobble headed/no mouth Neomorph. Nice work!

Also having trouble envisioning a return to a forested planet like Origae 6....Back to back movies with the exact same planet? Would just seem odd.

Maybe have some nearby gas giant in the sky or the star creates a different sky. Still.....Planet 4 and Origae 6 sound the same?

 "Queen Burst Out.."

Still wondering what RS's view is on the queen?

"....the Sequel would STILL had been more about David.."

I think David is very easy to write for?..he wants to visit alien graveyards, wants to create space monsters.

Humans? (Ripley, et al.) You have to conjure up a cliche reason they are continually walking into the monsters house.

Why did Ripley return to LV-426? The story demanded it! The David character has no such problem?...the audience would buy into just about anything.

Ridley Scott seemed to imply that David had killed Walter and taken his Clothes and then Cut his Hand Off...

This is how i saw it too....

I will add though that i expect that David would Transfer Himself into a Walter Body on the Covenant (surely they have Spare Parts) or at Least we see David would be able to attach a Walter Hand to his own Body.

It is likely that Walters Body is on Planet 4 and that THIS is the way the Engineers would Discover where the Covenant Ship is heading.

But we cant 100% Rule out that David is on Planet 4 and we have a Walter with Davids Soul on the Covenant, we then in effect have TWO Davids ;)

I had discussed this Alternative Idea a few Years ago but i had today put it in Reply to Thoughts_Dreams Comment on another Topic.

"Instead of David returning to LV426 or LV223...How about he starts finding derelict Juggernauts on his way to Origae?"

I think Discovering a Floating Engineer Ship would work as a Avenue to make another ALIEN movie... it beats going back over and over to the Derelict ;)

Regarding the Covenant becoming some kind of Alien Hive that could be a Potential i had discussed a PLOT like this Years Ago, where David had Conducted Experiments and they GOT out of Hand and he Quarantined Parts of the Ship before he was Attacked and Disabled...

Years pass by and the Covenant arrives in the Orbit of Origae-6 and the Covenant Begins to Open up some of the Colonist Cryo-Pods... the Few Colonist awaken and discover the Ship is Lockdown and Override Controls to OPEN up to the Quarantined Parts of the Ship where they Discover a Hive Nest and then the £"%^ Hits the Fan

They Discover Walter and he gets them to Repair him, unaware he is David and he Helps them to Gain Control and they together discover either Daniels or someone else, that David then Rescues and the Survivors then Escape in the Loader while the Covenant is Destroyed.

The Lander gets down to Origae-6

The Survivors stumble out to the Surface and Admire the Paradise they were meant to Colonize, Short in Numbers, Walter (David) tells them that they can Re-build, and they have a Advantage over Cave Men in that they have Knowledge.

David tells them that he will Quarantine Daniels for 48 Hours on the Lander, while the Colonist begin to Set-Up Tents as they will start to Plan how to Start from Scratch with Limited Tools.

Daniels awakens and sees David and he says Welcome Home Danny, i told you we will Find Paradise, she looks out to the Surface of Origae-6 and she Screams... this Alerts a Colonist who goes to inspect and asks Walter whats up, Daniels Screams its NOT Walter... David goes after the Colonist and kills him, then goes to Daniels and says it wont be Long Now, my Queen...

Then other Colonist turn up and Manage to KILL David..

We end up with some of the Survivors Comforting Daniels.. before she STARTS to go into Shock..... she then Chest Bursts and we see a Queen Burst Out..

The Credits Roll!

This was a Alternative Sequel idea i Proposed a Few Years back for those who would NOT like to go to Origae-6 and see what kind of a World that David would Create.

"Instead of David returning to LV426 or LV223...How about he starts finding derelict Juggernauts on his way to Origae?"

With Respect the OT was to ask for what other Purpose could the Eggs or their Origins have apart from being either the Remnants of a Species of Space Ants or a Engineered Bio-weapon to KILL.

so your reply is maybe more fitting for the Threads about WHERE we could go Next in the Franchise ;)

But i dont mind Discussing such things on here ;)

I think Discovering a Floating Engineer Ship would work as a Avenue to make another ALIEN movie... it beats going back over and over to the Derelict ;)

Regarding the Covenant becoming some kind of Alien Hive that could be a Potential i had discussed a PLOT like this Years Ago, where David had Conducted Experiments and they GOT out of Hand and he Quarantined Parts of the Ship before he was Attacked and Disabled...

Years pass by and the Covenant arrives in the Orbit of Origae-6 and the Covenant Begins to Open up some of the Colonist Cryo-Pods... the Few Colonist awaken and discover the Ship is Lockdown and Override Controls to OPEN up to the Quarantined Parts of the Ship where they Discover a Hive Nest and then the £"%^ Hits the Fan

They Discover Walter and he gets them to Repair him, unaware he is David and he Helps them to Gain Control and they together discover either Daniels or someone else, that David then Rescues and the Survivors then Escape in the Loader while the Covenant is Destroyed.

The Lander gets down to Origae-6

The Survivors stumble out to the Surface and Admire the Paradise they were meant to Colonize, Short in Numbers, Walter (David) tells them that they can Re-build, and they have a Advantage over Cave Men in that they have Knowledge.

David tells them that he will Quarantine Daniels for 48 Hours on the Lander, while the Colonist begin to Set-Up Tents as they will start to Plan how to Start from Scratch with Limited Tools.

Daniels awakens and sees David and he says Welcome Home Danny, i told you we will Find Paradise, she looks out to the Surface of Origae-6 and she Screams... this Alerts a Colonist who goes to inspect and asks Walter whats up, Daniels Screams its NOT Walter... David goes after the Colonist and kills him, then goes to Daniels and says it wont be Long Now, my Queen...

Then other Colonist turn up and Manage to KILL David..

We end up with some of the Survivors Comforting Daniels.. before she STARTS to go into Shock..... she then Chest Bursts and we see a Queen Burst Out..

The Credits Roll!

This was a Alternative Sequel idea i Proposed a Few Years back for those who would NOT like to go to Origae-6 and see what kind of a World that David would Create.

"David said he had one more thing to perfect, his queen"

Absolutely when you Consider that RS also said the NEXT Movie would NOT be about the Xenomorphs then its a Puzzle.  I think some Fans will expect that we would be going to the Creation of a QUEEN.. but i feel they would be Disappointed... I dont think RS was going to give us the Traditional Queen.   I would not be surprised if he would have Re-Visited the Egg Morph.  He had said a few times that you can go back to the Xenomorph but you have to Explore other ways of Procreation.

I think we have to look at HOW those Eggs on Planet 4 came to be and the Indication is Engineered from Dr Shaws very own Reproductive System.... Dr Shaw was in essence his FIRST QUEEN.

We see in AC that David seemed Upset at Oram for Killing the Neomorph, as David was attempting to Communicate with the Neomorph, we can Safely Assume that this is NOT the First Time that he had encountered Similar.

But the Neomorph was NOT his Creation it came from the Black Goo, we see that David had spent Years trying to Perfect a Creation of his Own, and so he would feel very proud of his Accomplishment.  He had proven to himself he could Surpass the Engineers in Creating a Monster.

But it seems he would likely want to find a way that he could Procreate his Creation more Efficient than what ever he had done with Dr Shaw.

As for how the Eggs go to the Derelict... maybe if you are a Synthetic or a Suited Engineer then you could Transport them but it seems a Painstaking Long Task. One that is NOT really Fail Safe as the Space Jockey Discovered.

So maybe the Eggs are Grown?  We see in AC some Small Eggs.  Maybe the Concepts from 2014 can give us some Insight?

"I thought the eggs were on board the derelict because there weren't enough money to make the pyramid from the original script"

Certainly a lot had Changed from Inception.

The Starbeast Idea was indeed that the World the Eggs/Spores were found on, was ONCE part of a Lost Civilization of Alien Beings, the Pyramid was their Birthing Temple, a Nursery of Sorts.

There was NO real Space Jockey as per say, what there was is some Giant Alien Species had Discovered this World and out of Curiosity had Wondered to the Temple to Collect the Eggs/Spores to Study.... before they became Infected and Died but ONE of them Managed to set of a WARNING to STAY AWAY...

This kind of PLOT could be Explored as far as the Origin of the Engineers Experiments as in they had Discovered the Starbeast and they saw Potential in trying to USE the Eggs/Spores.

What happened with ALIEN was the Space Jockey was born as a Race that are Connected to the Eggs, and a Indication they would use these Eggs as a Bio-Weapon... at this point we could Conclude that either.

1) The Space Jockey Race had Discovered the Eggs and saw the Potential to use them for KILLING OFF other Species they saw as a Threat or Wanted to Eradicate.

2) The Space Jockey Race had Engineered/Created the Eggs for same Purpose as (1) to KILL.

What we do see is a Aesthetic that is Shared between the Ship and Xenomorph, the Space Jockey to a degree also.. so this could then give us a Option (3)

3) The Space Jockey are Enslaved to Carry the Xenomorph Eggs around to Worlds to allow the Xenomorph to Procreate around the Galaxy.... what Benefit does the Space Jockey have in this?

The Problem is that RS sees the Eggs as a Biological Weapon that was USED by the Space Jockey and so he saw the Space Jockey as being the Hierarchy of that Pecking Order the Xenomorph is merely a Tool of Destruction.

This is off course prior to the PREQUELS...

With the Prequels they could have had it that Option 3 was what the Engineers Ancestors Roles was before they Rebelled and Defeated their Masters and then set out to use the Masters Technology and Knowledge to their Own Gain and Experiments.

The Prequels began and instead introduced us to the GOO (Nano Scarabs in early Drafts) a Creation Tool and so if we tried to Connect the Xenomorph at this point we was left with these Options.

a) The Engineers used their Creation Tool to Experiment and Eventually Create many Horrors that the Xenomorph became ONE of these (whether by Design or Unintentional).

b) The Engineers came across a Organism that is Connected to the Xenomorph, and they used their Creation Tools to Re-Engineer Horrors from this of which the Xenomorph was a Eventual Outcome.

^^^This seems to be what Alien Engineers had shown.

c) The Engineers came across the Xenomorph and they had Experimented on them to Create the Horrors on LV-223 and maybe the GOO..

^^^This Option seemed Less Likely but seemed to be what a lot of Fans Wanted... RS had confirmed at this point the Xenomorph would have been via similar to Option a/b.

At this point we have to ASK what was the Eggs for and the Answer would seem they are either just the Starting Stage/Deployment of their Bio-Weapon or a Unintended Evolution of their Bio-Weapon.

The Ambiguity of Prometheus however allows us to Speculate if there was MORE to it than just to Engineer a Weapon for the Engineers, Certainly those Engineers on LV-223 had at some point become Interested in WHAT the Genetics of the Organisms they Experimented with HAD.... but this is a bit of a RABBIT HOLE. But one that maybe Mimics what David had done... with AC maybe they just Changed the Same Concept from Genetically Engineered Engineers to Synthetically Engineered David... but the Process/Reasons could be the Same.

By that maybe the intended LV-223 Engineers Agenda/Plot was just Passed onto to become Davids Agenda/Plot.

What i was proposing was to EXPAND and Deepen a Reason for the Engineers to be Messing About with what they was doing on LV-223 as purely for a Race of Creators who then Wanted a Reset Switch and Pest Control when a Creation gets out of hand..

Then BOMBING a World with Sacrificial Goo is all they would need... PERFECT Tool to Reset a World and KILL OFF the Inhabitants....

In that Context there was Little Point in the Horrors they Created on LV-223 or the Xenomorph... unless those who Dabbled in this had another Agenda and a Sadistic Mindset! 

Which with David we can see how this makes Sense...

But i think we should look Beyond this and look at WHY would Engineers experiment with something that Predates the Xenomorph, that eventually we see in AR had allowed for Ripley to be Reincarnated in Effect in Ripley 8.

Such a idea i propose does FIT with the Alien 01 Master Narrative Plot of the Engineers not being Content with Living for Thousands and Thousands of Years, they wanted to Transcend their Soul!  something which is touched upon in the David/Weyland Prologue when Weyland goes on about all the Achievements, Things you own/create are NOTHING if you cant LIVE or Appreciate them for ETERNITY.

With some Franchises you can Churn Out Sequels because you can introduce New Characters/Hero's this applies with the DC and Marvel Universes, with other Franchises like Star Wars and Star Trek their is the Scope to keep Expanding due to the Various Races and Size of the Galaxy that the Franchise Occupies.

Back to the ALIEN Franchise, then RS had said that he felt the Franchise had the Potential to be like a Star Wars and Star Trek, a Very BOLD Statement.... This would actually be UNLIKELY if we stuck to Earth/Humans and the Weyland-Yutani Company and Xenomorph Eggs.

which is where the Vision he had for the Prequels via the Introduction of the Engineers would have OPENED up many Possibilities... but again CHANGE is something that some Fans are not Happy with.

In the Fans defense there was something Special About the Cosmic Horror that was the ALIEN Franchise that maybe STICKING to what we got works...  but then your Limited to HOW MANY times you can Repeat the Plot of the Quadrilogy Over and Over before you RUN OUT of Ideas.

This is where EXPANDING on who the Space Jockey could have Broadened the Franchise, the Creator Angle does this but at a Cost that Humanoids from Space is maybe NOT as ALIEN as the Franchise Deserved.

while this TOPIC was about Movie Ideas in General.. i am merely saying that some Franchises have a Advantage in how they can Churn out Movie after Movie that can Differ quite a bit between them.

Sometimes you get a Unique Idea something Fresh that then is BEST to be kept to a Stand Alone or a Run of a Few Movies.  Maybe in Hindsight the Quadilogy should have been LEFT as it was and what preceded a MYSTERY.

David overpowered Walter and took over his body. he transported his soul to Walter and fled with him. and left his old body or duplicated that there are two David's and Walter's software has replaced his or simply turned it off. he had the same wounds on his face as Walter and a severed hand. he had to somehow take over his body and everyone on the ship thought it was Walter. took Walter's body because it was perfected. I wonder what about David who was on the planet 4. turned off or there will be two of them and they will create stories together.

It's true that there are too many sequels out there in theaters- but the paying audience seems to love them too, so there you go. Streaming services have made serious inroads. There are very good series and one offs out there. It seems this is where one has to go to find decent original content. The theater experience seems to be where a lot of sequels are and they will likely continue as long as they make enough for the bean counters.

.Thoughts_Dreams, you forgot to mention Avatar.

Those films have their fans in large supply and it seems they are easier to please, because of their age  they have to be accompanied at the theaters, so the studios smelled the easy money.

Otherwise, we are no so different, we do ask for more sequels, prequels, even tv series, except we are difficult to please and overly pretentious and quick to criticize.

It's hard to make us all happy, it takes time. And it takes a director with a vision and little concern for what the fans want, to deliver something original.

Instead of David returning to LV426 or LV223...How about he starts finding derelict Juggernauts on his way to Origae?

He locates wrecked juggernauts(and other Engineers type starships)orbiting gas giants or the stars .....Boarding them, he finds more burst Space Jockeys, the cryo chambers store Engineers that have also been burst.

Many of the derelicts have ampules that David retrieves.

They also have different types of ovomorphs....4 chamber ones, .......Ones that contain a dozen facehuggers!

He takes them back to the Covenant.(to test them on the crew)

He also finds flatish ovomorphs ...that when disturbed...Spew thousands of spider like insects, they swarm him...He casually removes them from around his eyes, not wishing to harm the little babies....he lets many of them remain clinging to his 'skin' as he returns them to the Covenant, he returns with a empty space suit to collect the rest of the spiders.

David fills Daniels cryochamber with the spiders and wakes her..that'd be fun!

Or have David discover the spiders excrete a polymer and they are soon transforming the interior of the Covenant to something similar to a Juggernauts. 

Also many of the ovomorphs he finds are fossilized(no longer living/active)

chli, thanks for mentioning Félicette. I pasted below some info from Wikipedia, Félicette was not as lucky as Jonesy:

"Félicette was the first cat launched into space, on 18 October 1963 as part of the France space program. Félicette was one of 14 female cats trained for spaceflight. The cats had electrodes implanted onto their skulls so their neurological activity could be monitored throughout the flight. Electrical impulses were applied to the brain and a leg during the flight to stimulate responses. The capsule was recovered 13 minutes after the rocket was ignited. Most of the data from the mission was of good quality, and Félicette survived the flight, the only cat to have survived spaceflight. A second feline was launched on 24 October, but the mission resulted in a fatality.

Félicette was euthanized two months after the launch so that scientists could perform a necropsy to examine her brain."

RIP Félicette.

I thought the eggs were on board the derelict because there weren't enough money to make the pyramid from the original script. There was also the theory that the ship was producing the eggs (the egg sylo by Giger).

Now, after the prequels, it seems impossible to go back to the original ideas, since the eggs have been replaced by black goo urns and David had nothing better to do while marooned on planet 4 than to experiment on the local fauna until he created the xenomorph. So we should ask David what's the purpose of eggs, other than for his sadistic amusement. I think the engineers have no part in this.

What was the purpose of the vehicle and what was the purpose of the eggs? That’s the thing to question — who, why, and for what purpose is the next idea, I think.

I would also ask, how did the eggs got on board? I have difficulties imagining somebody carrying them one by one, so there must have been a queen on board. David said he had one more thing to perfect, his queen. Let's say he succeded, but how did the queen ended up on a Juggernaut? And who is the Space Jockey? 

If whoever will direct the next alien film wants to forget that David created the xenomorph, the easiest way would be to show the Deacon from Prometheus evolve into a queen, laying eggs on a Juggernaut from LV223, then the last surviving engineer taking off to find David and Shaw, unaware of the deadly cargo that eventually would lead to the crash landing on LV426.

I have missed some Replies on here, i think i will PASS on replying to them (as the comments i would like to reply to are by Posters who MAY-NOT be back to respond).

So i will reply to you Michart

First Welcome aboard ;)

Those Engineers do look more like a Hybrid of Human and Engineers, you could be Mistaken to think they had taken Humans to Interbreed with, that Certainly would FIT.  As would if the Engineers could not PROCREATE and so our Creation/Evolution was to allow them to be able to Procreate again (if they Ran out of Females).

What it could be is that the Prometheus Engineers are to those Planet 4 Engineers as the Replicants in Blade Runner are to Humans ;)

Regarding the Black Goo... well with the Revelation its a Form of Radical A.I it becomes a McGuffin that can be MOLDED to do what ever they see FIT for a Plot Convenience.

It could be the Ship did something to those URNS that would Cause a Different Reaction to the Pathogen... Think of this like the Arming and Activation of a Atomic Bomb!

Where as the Fallen/Leaked Urns on the Crashed Ship, and those in Prometheus are like a Nuclear Weapon in Storage that Suffers a Radioactive Leak!

I think the Prometheus connections are Multiple, such as other Mythos that is Connected to the Movie.

Overall the Context of a Prometheus, such as a Satan or God is to NOT be placed down to a Single Entity as with the actual Mythos/Religion but it maybe is to Connect to a Group.

It was kept Very Ambiguous as to HOW the Mythos could Connect, but the MAIN ELEMENT at Play is Forbidden Knowledge and HOW it is that Knowledge is a Powerful Tool.

The other MAIN ASPECT is about Going against the Wishes/Intentions of the Hierarchy/Leader/Gods and the Fear they have about Losing Control and the Punishment they are willing to INFLICT to Maintain this Control or upon those who have BROKEN the Rules.

To TRY and Connect HOW/WHO is the Figure of Prometheus in the Franchise is Tricky as with the Ambiguity we could look at many Possible Explanations.

The Closest Indication we have is RS saying the Big Head Statue is Prometheus.  But is this in Context to a Single Engineer, is it the Engineers in General or a Faction?

Yep Original Ideas seem in Short Supply ;)

You get the ODD decent Movie that offers a Different take on something, but to TRULY find something thats NEVER been done before is Unfortunately RARE

Sometimes Churning Out sequel, after Sequel is what Makes Money, sometimes Fans do-not like Change too Much!  Once we have Done that Over and Over...  If its not Broke dont Fix It just COOK IT!

A lot of stuff is done for Nostalgia, and sometimes it works but sometimes for some Fans they dont like people MESSING with their Beloved Franchises.

When they cant figure out a Sequel they sometimes go the whole Reboot where again Nostalgia sometimes SETS them up for a FAIL.. despite how NOT BAD the Reboot may be, its always going to be Compared to the LOVED Original and Destined to Fail!

Do you do a Sequel and Carbon Copy the previous Movies.. i mean how many more Times we gonna get to see Jason Voorhees before he is any Different, and will he EVER be as Scary as the First Few Times we saw HIM?

You could try and Change his Story a Bit... but then some Fans will not be HAPPY...

Take Nightmare on Elm Street 2010 i never thought it was that Bad... it tried to be a bit more Darker and Serious with the Background Plot... kinda like the Dark Knight Series of Batman compared to the more COMIC BOOK Franchise of the 90's

Was it really as Bad as some of the Later Freddy Movies?

The Robocop Reboot likewise... it was not as Good as the First, but it was on Par with Robocop 2 and lets not talk about the REST lol

So to Continue with Franchises you have to be Careful, you do Risk the Chance of More Harm than Good.. (The Predator)

when Faced with some Franchises that have NOT been MILKED you Face some Tough Choices... lets take BACK TO THE FUTURE for a Example.

*Do you leave it as it was... where NO HARM can come to it or do you MILK it and Run the Risk of Damaging the Original or making a New Series thats a JOKE!

Your then left with the Following.

1) Make a Sequel... but some Nostalgic Fans would expect Marty McFly if you made a New Franchise that does-not connect with Doc Brown or Marty then some Fans would be PISSED OFF... for Instance if some Unconnected Guy ends up Rescuing the Delorean from the Scrap Yard.

It would work better if some Family Member inherits the Car, and we have a Cameo from Marty McFly (like Pass the Torch/Keys).  But you are always going to have to Compete with the Original Movie and when the Torch is Passed would Fans be Interested in BTF Pt5, Pt6 etc.?

2) Make a Reboot!  Now this would be much HARDER to Pull Off, as the Nostalgia Brigade would be out in Force... and well it would take something SPECIAL to Replace the Originals and so this Option is BOUND to Failure.

Sometimes a Sequel and Reboot can Work However...

The Newer Planet of the Apes series is a TESTAMENT to getting it RIGHT.

I would ASSUME if we went back to 2013 and they Decided you know what we DONT need to Answer LV-426, we DONT need to show the Xenomorph, lets keep the MYSTERY.

Then i would Suspect that the Sequel would STILL had been more about David i would still think by the climax of a Sequel that Dr Shaw would have been Curtains.. either by Self Sacrifice, at the Hands of the Engineers (in which Case David would seek Revenge) or David would become the Antagonist and be responsible for Dr Shaws Death.

I think we would have go more Answers about LV-223 that could make us Conclude more about LV-426, as well as more insight to the Engineers, i dont think Dr Shaw would have got the Answers she Hoped for...  and that David would have Unleashed/Created HELL!   its a Question of would this had been as a Savior or a Slayer.  It is likely he would have still eventually wanted to become a King/God.

I think Fans would have rather seen Prometheus 2 go Steer Away from giving us Xenomorphs and Answers to LV-426 as intended than to U-Turn with a Plot and Set-Up that the Path to the Xenomorph on LV-426 is via the Hands of David.

Quite a Pickle we Find ourselves in now.

"Yes, before the Covenant, this was never the story about David"

I would say they was BOTH going to be on a Journey, it appeared that RS interest was about David... There is a lot of Philosophy at Play and it seemed at the time (Prometheus) they felt  that there are more Important things to Expand on than to give us Xenomorphs and LV-426 Answers as these after-all would just have been that the Xenomorph Eggs on LV-426 are either.

*Merely One of a Number of Horrors Created on LV-223 to be used as PEST CONTROL

*They are a Unintended Result of a contamination of their PESTICIDE.

The Xenomorph being No More to the Engineers as say a Predator Drone is to the US Military.  Or so it seems, as it does look like those Engineers did take some PRIDE in what they Created. 

The Prequel Expansion seemed to be more about Themes like Creation, and to Sub-Create, and then what Effect that Free-Will and Knowledge has on a Creation as far as Control and seeing their Creator as Superior/The Boss!  It was about How Playing God and messing with Stuff can lead to Trouble.  A Tale of Hubris on Multiple Layers.

They all Connect down the Ladder to David as a Sub-Creation who is Superior to his Creators, who is Given Free-will and so can gain Knowledge, who becomes Rebellious and feels he is Mistreated and Not Respected as a Superior Being... who then One Day discovers his own Creators Creator... The Engineers and sees them as Not Much different to Humans, they are Separated only by Eons of Passed down Knowledge, Technology and Tools...    MORTAL AFTER ALL... 

And so with David giving the keys to the Engineers Tool-Shed, he could then become a Creator in his own Right, there is MUCH more to it than that.

But ALAS.. it puts the Emphasis on David too much where a lot of people just see him as a Robot and Not a Main Character.

The Plot is Bold... its Thought Provoking, it does touch on a bit of Blade Runner and Space 2001 but when the ALIEN Franchise came to a PAUSE... i am sure these are NOT the Things that Most Fans would have expected a Prequel to Prioritize on.

In Hindsight maybe such a PLOT should have been a Stand Alone Franchise, inc the Engineers, we just Change the Aesthetic of their Ships/Suits, Change the Weyland Company and it could have been its OWN kind of Franchise.

When Fans back say prior to 2000 thought about the Derelict and the Eggs Origins i dont think many would have even Conceived a Direction of the Prequels.

They would have Expected the Space Jockey to be more ALIEN, and to not be Super Humans who where FOOLS or that a Synthetic Android with Daddy Issues and a Dislike for Humans would be in effect DESTROYING the Space Jockey and then taking their Horrific Creation Tool to go and play Doctor Moreau/Frankenstien and Create the Iconic Monster.

It's all about the money. Big studios play safe, and you can't get safer than another instalment of Avengers. Whatever they dream up for the next Alien movie, it will be with popcorn in mind, and it won't be too challenging for the audience. Think that studio interference on Alien 3 was bad? You ain't seen nothin' yet.

David is a anti-hero and a fresh take. Darth Vader is running this ship.

We'll be back to the story dictated by a superhero soon enough.

"I also think that Fox is to blame for making a mess of all this because it could have been interesting. I do not think that Scott alone is to blame even though his obsession with David is crappy."

Yes, before the Covenant, this was never the story about David. It was Shaw's journey in search of answers. And David was... well... a talking head that controls an alien ship and speaks with engineers.

Hello. I think the sacrificial engineer at the beginning of the Prometheus is Prometheus from myths. he created the human race, gave us knowledge, science, religion and for that he was sentenced to death on earth for what he created against the will of engineers - the titans, they was greater. they gave himthim drink black goo to disappear, dissolve his body. at the beginning of the movie you can see that this engineer looks at the departing ship, that sadness and how he drinks black goo wonders what will happen to him. it's the same goo that David dumpedat the planet in the Covenant. and the title alien may have once lived on earth long ago, created by engineers, also a hybrid of engineers and some form of life from the earth. arose these giants and cyclopians, terrible creatures that devoured people after them can be the dinosaurs. engineers decided to create black goo to kill these creatures and forbade further research and creation of life on earth but Prometheus objected and created people. engineers decided to destroy the work of Prometheus and kill people 2000 years ago, but they themselves fell victim to goo or other invaders who did not want the death of people. david wants to finish the work of engineers and kills beings like humans in the covenant and also wants to destroy. David is pride and wants to create life, but he is forbidden so he creates the perfect essence of the hybrid of the beast from alliance and robot. gives the alien armor and bio suit that the engineer has to survive in all conditions. in white gloves decides to destroy people just as he destroyed creatures on the planet from the covenant. sends gives to the earth about a stranger and the company Weyland Yutani is interested in investigating the stranger without knowing what they are dealing with. David knows that aliens will win people.

"I do not want to see another robot movie or about characters no one cares about. I'm sorry but my patience is finite. The fact that RS got 2 movies out and people are still feeling meh about these films says it all."

Hell yeah, I totally agree

I also think that Fox is to blame for making a mess of all this because it could have been interesting. I do not think that Scott alone is to blame even though his obsession with David is crappy. The scene when you see the differences between Walter and David is alright although too long and too slow but the movie in general is too much about the androids. His interest is not about the Xeno, it is about David which I think is kind of obvious from watching the prequels this far. To me both Prometheus and AC has had about 2 or three characters that I find well enough written, the rest have been background pieces. Compare the characters in the prequels to Alien 1, 2, and 3 and what you have is a rapid decline in quality combine this with and obsession for the robots and you get movies with pieces that are alright but a movie that is not very good in general.

The Engineers seem interesting, make it more about them and less about the robots. Also show that they have got more to do with the creation of the Xeno than David has. Get another writer and a director that does not interfere with the story.
"Do we Brush under the Carpet what we saw in Alien Covenant regarding David and the Xenomorph?"

I would rather have that compared to where we are now.

"I think for a lot of Fans they would still want a Movie that is a LOT less about David. . ."

Yes please although notice that it does not mean to copy the movies that came before. More Engineers please, that was interesting and something new hopefully they will not abandon that although they have got to make sense while at the same time have some mystery about them.

"Just throw away the whole philosophy of fingering and give people information- technology, culture, society of Engineers."

Yep, less flute shit and more about the Engineers although you could have some philosophy with the Engineers and also show how and why they are a danger to humans without over-explaining it. Hopefully it will be more impressive than the Engineers living in stone huts because that was so disappointing. If there are interesting ways to have a story with philosophy while keeping the Engineers and focus on the humans I am for it but not the way that it is now.

". . . the . . . philosophy of fingering. . ."

That sounds like the title of a book, ha ha ha!!

"I would not be Surprised if the Space Jockey would be Revealed to be one of Davids Creations.."

Then they have damaged both the Xeno and the Space Jockey, nice work. ;) Can they be that dumb?

"It would have been LIKELY the Next Movies 3rd/Final Act would have introduced the Engineers and Ships, and these would be the Introduction to HOW it is Eventually we get the Derelict."

That could have been alright, just do not make David into the pilot.

".... i dont think many Fans would want to SIT though a Movie that will NOT give us the Xenomorph again and NOT show us HOW/WHEN/WHY we get to ALIEN/LV-426"

That was the purpose for starting the prequels, right? It is just that they went into a territory that few were interested in (if you doubt it just look at the box office result).

"Thats why we are in a Pickle at the Moment, as far as if we ACCEPT that David will take the Covenant to Origae-6 and that from his Xenomorphs will eventually come the Eggs that are on the Derelict."

The thing is that I will never accept that, it is bad story telling with too much emphasis on David.

"Again such a Plot would FIT with Prometheus etc... but would NOT please Fans who was not Happy the Prequels and Origins of the Xenomorph are about DAVID."

It makes sense the way that it is planned now but I would not want that because to let it be about a robot is just boring.

". . . would NOT have happened if say Dr Shaw allowed David to take them HOME to Earth or if Dr Shaw never put Davids head back on."

I do not like that idea within the alien franchise, leave it to other movies to explore things like that.

". . . and i think a lot of Fans may want to By-Pass at least the First Half of those Dots."

As long as it is about the humans, the monsters and the Engineers I am fine with that. Better human characters and less androids. As long as they do these things I am fine.

". . . but i also suspect that something David had Created would be the Space Jockey too."

Disney is in charge now and I hope that they are smart enough to keep that from happening. In a way I am kind of hopeful with Disney in charge because it was not working under Fox.

"Waltermorph"

Well i think thats possible...  considering that Walter is a Newer Model than David... it is likely he would want to UPGRADE his Body....  It seems that the Walter Models could be Part Organic...

If we do get shown that Walter Models (or a New Model thats Incoming on another Ship) are Synthetic Constructs like ELDON was from the Fire and Stone Comics.

Then indeed this Synthetic Construct could play a Role in how the Organic Xenomorph from AC gains its Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic.

I do suspect that this Eventually would be a Revelation that RS had intended, but i also suspect that something David had Created would be the Space Jockey too.

"If these planets had biomechanical aesthetics/buldings"

Certainly i know that one Disappointment with Alien Covenant i am sure MOST of us would have expected to be shown a Engineer World that would be like maybe Krypton from The Man of Steel with a HR Giger Twist.

And see Floating Bio-Mechanical Cities.. like HR Giger versions of this.

However it seems they decided to TONE this Aesthetic Down... to Continue with it they could have came to a agreement with the HR Giger Estate i suppose.

Regarding David and Star-children then indeed thats the kind of idea i am drawn to more.... if David was to Engineer those Embryo's to become Superior to Humans i would think he would try and Incorporate some of the Xenomorph DNA into them.  So you have a Creation who see you as GOD, they OBEY the Rules you have for them, David is their Religion!   Should these Creations eventually Discover the Truth and the Lies... then thats WHEN things can Change and if a Rebellious Movement Starts with a Superior Creation and IF they have some kind of Hive-Mind/Telepathy then David could be in TROUBLE!

If these Creations can Procreate then he is in even more Trouble!  This would be a bit like a Blade Runner however, but i do think that RS would have been going for that kind of idea.  But alas its been done with Blade Runner.

The Problem we have is how do you introduce the Engineers and give them a lot of Depth, how much of a Movie do you get to Revolve around them and Uncover more about them?

I know some Fans have Speculated that Origae-6 could actually be a Engineer World... even a Dead One would be too much of a COINCIDENCE.

If i go back to the Original Topic... then if we are talking about the Direction that Ridley Scott would have wanted to take us, then indeed it seems he would be going the route that would Center around David, where it would be shown that those Eggs on the Derelict and even the Derelict ending up on LV-426 would NOT have happened if say Dr Shaw allowed David to take them HOME to Earth or if Dr Shaw never put Davids head back on.

Then here is where we STAND at Present..

Year 2105: the USCSS Covenant resumes its Journey to Origae-6 after the Unfortunate Events on Planet 4

The ETA to Origae-6 would be the Year 2112 leaving 10 Years until the Nostromo Crew discover the Derelict on LV-426

From what RS has indicated...

The Covenant would be heading to Origae-6 but there would be some incoming Parties/Players.  At some point which we can assume would NOT be shortly after the Covenant has left Planet 4, the Engineers will Return and Discover the Destruction and would WANT to get to the Culprit, they would at some point be going to where David is heading and its UNLIKELY they would Intercept him before he has Established some kind of Base/Home on Origae-6

At least one of the other Parties would have to be a Human Ship, and again we have to assume this Ship does not arrive on Origae-6 until after David has set up a Base/Home.

Thats 2 of the 3/4 Parties... i think its likely ONE of the other Party will be another Human Ship and ONE that is aware of what David has done via the ADVENT message, i would assume this SHIP would arrive maybe after the First Incoming Human Ship (maybe another Colony Ship).

So i think David would have some time on Oriage-6 to do what ever he was going to do (that wont be about Mass Production of Xenomorphs) then we see a Incoming Human Ship.

Latter its a case the Engineers and another Human Ship arrive but who knows what Order.

What we have then is with the Engineers we maybe have HOW we could obtain the Derelict... what for sure is that Origae-6 is located Much Further from LV-223/LV-426

So at some point we have to get to either a Engineer Ship leaves Oriage-6 and head towards LV-426/LV-223 or David (or his Eggs) will get to LV-223 by a None-Engineer Ship and the Derelict will come from LV-223 at a latter point.

The Climax would seem to be that either a Engineer Ship leaves for LV-223 with the Eggs... or the Eggs are Engineered on LV-223 and a Engineer Ship attempts to leave LV-223 with those Eggs.

Where the Final Part is this Ship regardless of which of the above TWO only gets as FAR as LV-426.

Kinda a lot of DOTS to be covered in a Single Movie and also within the Time Constraints of 10 Years.. and i think a lot of Fans may want to By-Pass at least the First Half of those Dots.

These humanoids aren't looks Like Engineers but like humans beings. Females has Black Hood on head and all of them hasn't so white, shining skin like Engineers. They can be humans took from earth long ago to paradise and they live in this times. Maby Black goo when feel noise and agitation when David dumps pathogen from vessel, its changing to agressive pathogen and destroy all of life but when is calm goo live like normal microorganism, and search host to life and  asimilates to xenomorphs. Xenomorphs hate noise. In spiderman, venom hate noise and can be furious. 

Ok here goes...

What i was thinking about was to go back to the Engineers, you see it seems the Indication was they Predated the Xenomorph (like it or not) and certainly with the Direction of Alien Covenant.  What we seem to get with the Engineers and its what Ridley Scott calls them more than anything is CREATORS and so Creation was more Important to them than Destruction.  What the Concept that Jon Spaights had began with seemed to Indicate our Engineers had became Quite Good at Genetic Manipulation and they have been able to Extend the Natural Life Span of their Species... this is something that Mankind would be able to do within Hundreds of Years, imagine our Life Expectancy in 500 Years?

But alas this does not mean we LAST forever... and from Spaights Idea it seemed with his Pitch he was indicating the Engineers were NOT contempt with Living in their Engineered Bodies and Living for Thousands and Thousands of Years... they appeared to want to LIVE for Longer and not be Constrained to Bodies that Can and Will eventually Fail!

In the Absence of a Real After-Life, in the Absence of a Spirit, then their Collective of Memories, Experiences that Shape them into who they are the SOUL would simply Cease to Exist.

You can be sure that Weyland had tried to Advance Medicine etc to Extend his Life, he then was hoping that our Creators would Posses a way to Extend his Life.

If we take his Creation which is David and we see David has became Sentient, has Ambition, Dreams, Desires and Emotion... as a A.I it is likely that David could have his SOUL uploaded into a NEW Body should his Body Fail or should their be a Upgraded Body for him (Walter) so in effect what we have is that David is kind of Immortal he has what Weyland had Wanted, he has what the Engineers likely Wanted.

How does this apply to the Ovomorph or certainly what ever Organism had Predated it all?

Fast Forwards to Alien Resurrection and with Ripley 8 we see that from her Merging with Xenomorph DNA, she was able to recall some of the Memories from Ripley, as time goes on maybe she would recall more... Could it be that the Xenomorph in her Blood in her very being had allowed for some kind of Genetic Memory to take place?

so how do we connect this with the Starbeast?

I think we could explore a Ancient Organism that predated the Xenomorph, that Predated the Outpost on LV-223.  We take the Starbeast Idea and we Change it a little.

So we have a Ancient Organism that has some kind of Culture, Ritual a Civilization of sorts... but a Organism that has a Life-Cycle that is similar to the Xenomorph.  The Starbeast could Egg Morph a Victim to Change them into the Egg Stage of the Organisms Life Cycle.

What if we Re-Invent the Starbeast so that from Death they have Resurrection.  What if say each Starbeast could only Egg Morph the ONCE!

The Egg Morph happens either as with the Idea of Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett that the Starbeast requires a Host Organism to Turn into a Egg Morph... or we could CHANGE that and have it the Starbeast at the END of its Life-Cycle would CHANGE itself into a Egg/Cocoon.

The Egg Morph/Cocoon would actually Carry the Starbeasts Genetic Memory its SOUL so that it can then be Re-Incarnated again....  the Victim of the Face Hugger like Stage becomes the Host for the Starbeasts Total Re-incarnation.

If their was some Organism as such a Starbeast that Predates LV-223/LV-426 a Organism that we can see has some similarity with the Xenomorph, Deacon and Neomorph.

The Engineers could have seen such a Organism and its ability to Re-incarnate itself as the SOLUTION to the Engineers quest for IMMORTALITY...

This could give a GOOD reason for the Engineers carrying out Experiments upon these Starbeasts... WHY you could even go further and have it that the Engineers Ancestors were Enslaved and Reproduced (or even Created) by the Starbeasts to use as IDEAL VESSELS for the Re-Incarnation of the Starbeast.

Until a Rebellion... where the Starbeast suffered and then the Engineers then saw to Exploit the Starbeasts Technology and then try to Exploit a way so that they could try and Figure out how the Engineers could discover a way to Transcend their Souls into New Bodies....

But they FAILED.....

Such a PLOT would give Greater Purpose to the Eggs, it would FIT with he Engineers and Prometheus themes, it would ELEVATE the Ancestry of the Xenomorph.

It would show that there was Great Potential with the Experiments and Xenomorph but there was NO success in Unlocking that Re-Incarnation that the Starbeasts had... and so the ONLY use for the Horrors the Engineers had Created from their Quest for Immortality were only ideal to DESTROY LIFE...

But the Xenomorph Ancestry of the Starbeast still LIVED in the Xenomorphs DNA... just NO-ONE could unlock the ability to use it to GAIN a Immortality themselves...

UNTIL the events of Alien Resurrection via the Mixing of DNA the Clone Process where Ripley 8 had gained that Genetic Memory... unlocking that PATH to Re-Incarnation that the Starbeasts possessed..

This would give a Back Ground to the Prequels and take the Franchise FULL-CIRCLE with Alien Resurrection.

So there you have it FOLKS... what do you think?

I think it could WORK... certainly beats just having it that the Engineers or David purely wanted to Create a Horrific Killing Machine to KILL the Humans they HATE...

That would then Plague a World like a Infestation of Termites.

I don’t think that re-visiting such dead places as LV-223 and Planet 4 is a good idea.

We know: LV-223 is a rocks and a stone catacombs. And Planet 4 is a forest like in your backyard, with some primitive dolmens. If these planets had biomechanical aesthetics/buldings, it would be interesting to return to them. Well, so? Sand and bushes... xDDD

This is good food for the book, but not for the film. In addition, Ridley has already designated the destination - Origae-6. It would be simply ugly in relation to people who still keep a credit of trust - to deceive them and go to places already seen.

My opinion is that if the stories of Prometheus and the Covenant were not told everything or missed something, then so be it! This must be left and move on.

"With Infrastructure in Place he would Engineer those Embryos to Create his Own Humanoids"

I like this idea. David creates his Star Children. But what if they become uncontrollable and aggressive. What if they have a... Double-Y chromosome?! O_o

I remember how in the early rumors of the Covenant there was a character named Morse. And it was not just a coincidence.

This is just a rumor. But in the Covenant there are story arches that consist of rumors about Prometheus. You will not find this in the various scenarios of Prometheus, only on the news sites of 2010-2011. It makes wonder - will Alien: Awakening use rumors of Alien: Covenant?

I mean:

- Waltermorph

- Morse

- Young Engineer.

So much doom and gloom in the movies and the franchise.

Maybe they should change tack a bit?

Give some hope....(then take it away lol!).

The pathogen could actually SAVE Earth and give it hope(Engineered correctly)....And with a little help from the Elders, we'll watch humanity step to the next level.

I entered the theater knowing the crew of the Prometheus was dead, same as the Covenant.

Aliens I didn't know if they would survive.

Alien3...yeah everyone was gonna die(or dead already)

A:R: yeah, everyone was dead...it was a surprise and a happy ending for how many survived! lol!

"In Hindsight.... we should have had a Prometheus 2 where a Investigative Mission goes to LV-223 and use this to give us more clues about the Xenomorph"

I think this is still on the table? Don't think this would stall the franchise ...make it a pure horror flick without any deep meaning.

Just strip it down to: space monsters eat humans visitors. Shut the brain down for one movie.

Regarding the Egg Morph vs Queen...

The Egg Morph could have been something more Disturbing, but as far as Efficiency then a Egg Laying Queen makes more Sense...

I have a Feeling that IF we saw RS get to make another 2 Alien Covenant Sequels then he would have explored the Egg-Morph again.

Certainly the Eggs are Cool and Horrific....

But from a Destructive Stand Point when the Engineers have Black Goo then for purely wishing to DESTROY or WIPE CLEAN a Worlds Inhabitants then the Black Goo Urns are FAR more Efficient for that Task!

From a Human War Perspective.... then  NUKE is the Best Way to Destroy a Enemy, Quick and Easy... or you round them up and Shoot Them Dead!

But you do have some Individuals who would see to give more Horror and Suffering to their Foes... not Content with simply to round them up and SHOOT them or Bomb them... they conduct more Horrific Ways to Slowly Kill and Torture their Enemies... 

Such Sadistic and Cruel People they would be... and well its got to be that kind of Depraved Thinking that would make someone Rather use the Eggs as opposed to the Black Goo.. Unless the Eggs could provide another Purpose ;)

The other way is if the Creator of the Eggs takes Great Pride in the Horror they Inflict or for some other reason they have a Great Pride in the Xenomorph.. for this reason it makes sense that David had Created them..  The only other Reason would be a Enslaved Rebellious Faction of Engineers become Obsessed with the Xenomorph and so its MORE to them than just a WAY to Eradicate Humanity.  The Black Goo is better for that.

I will reveal my idea latter...

I will tease it a little now ;)

Jon Spaights had envisioned a Back Story for the Engineers, a Ancient Humanoid Race who was Once more like us.. They had Evolved and Advanced themselves, Managed to Prolong their Lives so they could LIVE for Thousands of Years, this Eventually caused them to become Sterile.

While they may Live for Thousands of Years, they are still MORTAL and can be Killed and Eventually will Die... what Happens when we DIE?

"The Engineers believe themselves to be on the verge of a great evolution, a Transcendence in which they will abandon their physical form"

From Alien 01 The Master Narrative by Jon Spaights.

So this implies the Engineers were NOT content with living for many many Thousands of Years or their Limitations of their Physical Bodies... they was looking for some kind of IMMORTALITY.

So HOW could they achieve or attempt to?  What could provide them with such?

This is where we can then TURN the Starbeast Plot onto its Head ;)

I will ask you to Consider the Franchise... what could be seen as the ULTIMATE advantage or Gain from the Xenomorph or indeed the Experiments that Predate it?

Have we seen something that would have MET the Agenda of the Engineers searching for Ever Lasting Life?

I think with HOW we had Alien Covenant, and considering we are at the Moment seeing David off with the Covenant in his Control which is NO-DOUBT heading to Origae-6... i think its hard to in a SINGLE MOVIE to give us more about the Xenomorphs or Engineers especially if we want more Depth to the Engineers than Prometheus Military Goons.

There would be Too-Many Components to TRY and Juggle... which is WHY some Sacrifices had to be made as far as Dr Shaw and Engineers in Alien Covenant.

Thats why we are in a Pickle at the Moment, as far as if we ACCEPT that David will take the Covenant to Origae-6 and that from his Xenomorphs will eventually come the Eggs that are on the Derelict.

What we have to have Happen prior to ALIEN on top of what ever David may have planned.. is as Follows.

*Davids Xenomorphs have to go through more Evolution/Engineering.

*A Engineer Ship has to come into Play.

*This Ship will Load Up with the Eggs and then would be OFF to some place for some Reason that takes the Ship to the Zeta 2 system.

You could Completely By-Pass David by having a Movie that shows another Ship that either..

1) Goes to LV-223 and explores the Temples and Uncovers more Horrors and Clues, and awakens Engineers or some come to LV-223 and we get indications that the Xenomorph does predate David and after the events on LV-223 the Company Discover there is a Ship on LV-426.

2) Have a mission go to Planet 4 and come across Horrors on that World Again, and then we see some Engineers come in and then at the End we indicate they take those Eggs on a Ship and we are shown they intend to go to LV-223 to Re-engineer and Mass Produce them!  (We can Figure out what Happened Next).

so both of these would just IGNORE what David does Next... But i doubt this would be the Route RS would have taken us.

I think in Part we would see that David would Charade as Walter and come up with some Excuse as to what happened to the Crew, he would awaken some Humans to then Set-Up a Colony, where then he would likely GET RID of them...

With Infrastructure in Place he would Engineer those Embryos to Create his Own Humanoids, who would be Superior to Mankind and he would Basically tell them that he Created all this and Them and basically try and pass of as a Pseudo King/God

But something will Happen that would reveal to those Creations that David is a Sham!   They will Discover he is actually a Creation of Mankind and that they are Human before David had decided to Experiment with them at Embryo Stage.

When your Creations gain Knowledge that you would NOT want them to have (Discovery of the Truth) then you have a Rebellion on your Hands... and when your Creation gets out of Hand then you have to Result to Punishment! (unleash the Wolf on your Lambs).

This is HOW i have interpreted what kind of a Flick we may have been in for... i could be COMPLETELY WAY off Base though ;)

Again such a Plot would FIT with Prometheus etc... but would NOT please Fans who was not Happy the Prequels and Origins of the Xenomorph are about DAVID.

I think there is Potential with the Prequels to continue with what Prometheus was doing and NOT have to be Confined to giving Fans the Answers to LV-426 while they maybe Clutch at Straws the Revelations would show the Xenomorph had Predated David.

My Opinion.... David = Xenomorphs is a Mistake... he should have Created something that is more Different..

But then some Fans would want Xenomorphs Boo Hoo! well go and Put Alien Anthology on ;)  A Story about seeing David create something similar could give us Clues to HOW the Original was Created Thousands of Years ago... while Retaining some Mystery.

In Hindsight.... we should have had a Prometheus 2 where a Investigative Mission goes to LV-223 and use this to give us more clues about the Xenomorph and even show us something Very Close and clues about HOW/WHEN the Engineers had experimented with such Horrors and indicating then that one of their Experiments had escaped as far as LV-426.

Then they could have released a Spin Off Sequel that follows David and Dr Shaw in search of the Engineers and Answers without having to be Shackled Down by ALIEN.

The Prior Movie (LV-223 one) could leave it open to go and bring back Xenomorphs by Virtue of indicating that the Derelict was NOT the only Ship that managed to leave LV-223 with a Deadly Cargo of Eggs.

But ALAS with Alien Covenant we have got into a Pickle!

@Leto

You make some Valid Points in regards to when i was talking about By-Passing.

What i mean is that Movies do By-Pass certain Periods of Time, with Alien Covenant, there are Periods that are NOT Necessary to cover in Detail in a Movie, such as WHAT it was that Dr Shaw had done after she Collected David to when they Left LV-223 in a Juggernaught. We had The Crossing which Summarized a bit of what they did between leaving LV-223 until we saw David Arrive at Planet 4.  There is quite a bit that HAPPENED after the Bombardment, what happened to Dr Shaw and HOW long was she alive, did any Engineers Survive for a while, more Detail on what David was doing to obtain his Beastory

There was NO need to cover these as there are Clues and Evidence to what Happened...

So this is what i mean by you could By-Pass a lot of what David would do NEXT....

We can Assume he is off to Origae-6 which will take him 7 Years and 4 Months, we dont need to see much about what he does during that Time, would he Continue his Experiments  on the Covenant and its Crew during the Journey?  We dont really need to spend a lot of time on this... ONLY any Results.

When he gets to Origae-6 what does he do then? Does he awaken some of the Colonist and begin to Build the Cabins and the Infrastructure the Colony would need to begin (surely pretending to be Walter). So again we dont need to see a lot of WHAT KIND of a World he would Build.

Looking at what RS had said then the Movie would NOT have been about Xenomorphs but about A.I and he also claimed the Replicants are A.I and so what he is talking about is indeed Artificial Life if we look at A.I as being solely Connected to a Artificial Set of Computing that can act as a Intelligence.

We can ONLY really Speculate on what his Next Movie would have been but i would say that the First Act and likely a Hour of the Movie would show us what ever he has Helped to Build/Create, as in we could see some kind of Colony Established and likely David is not playing the Humble Servant Walter....

So what we would have is David in his Paradise that he has Created that WOULD NOT be a Xenomorph Nest..... and then we would be seeing some incoming Parties which means at least ONE other Human Ship, which their Arrival and Revelations could UPSET the Paradise/Colony that David has set up.   Then the ENGINEERS would likely Rock Up in the 3rd Act.

It would have been LIKELY the Next Movies 3rd/Final Act would have introduced the Engineers and Ships, and these would be the Introduction to HOW it is Eventually we get the Derelict.

The Process of the Evolution/Engineering of the Eggs to become what we got in ALIEN and the Eggs getting on the Derelict and Explaining WHY it was in the Vicinity of LV-223/LV-426 before we get the Space Jockeys event are all LIKELY what a 3rd Connecting Movie would have shown.

The Problem is a LOT of Fans would see this as a Process where the Emphasis was again on/about David and Creation, and Knowledge and Control (restricting Truth/Knowledge) and so would NOT please Fans who just want to get to ALIEN already....  i dont think many Fans would want to SIT though a Movie that will NOT give us the Xenomorph again and NOT show us HOW/WHEN/WHY we get to ALIEN/LV-426

Which is WHY i said that maybe they would be better off giving us a SINGLE Movie that Connects to ALIEN were a Human Ship does arrive at Oriage-6 where they would be expecting by NOW that the Colony would be Set Up.

They get NO Signal, No Reply but they detect that a Colony is down their, and we see that a Basic Colony has been Built but as we Touch Down we arrive Years or Months after something has GONE very WRONG!

You then in the 2nd Act introduce some Returning Engineers and the Final Act would be showing a Engineer Ship leaving with Eggs on-board but NOT show us where it was going... so we have some Ambiguity here.

"PEST CONTROL"

I like this.

The eggs won't be a problem for the majority of living docile animals...A somewhat peaceful planet is the result.

Curious and large animals will be their target.

Earth would have been far different with a billion or so ovomorphs laying in wait.

Wonder if there are any dinosaur chest bursted fossils?