I am not sure this really gives us anything New to go by, RS does have a Habit of changing his Mind a LOT...  after Alien Covenant and when he had dropped the name Alien Awakening he had mentioned that he Felt he was ahead of the CURVE with Prometheus, and the Next Movie would NOT be about the ALIEN but about what KIND of a World that David would Create.

However in a Latter Comment he had Suggested that you could go a Few more Rounds with the Beast, and it HAS to be about HIM, but you have to Evolve Him...

Even Latter he had said that you can still go back to the Beast but you have to EVOLVE it and look at other ways of Procreation.

So i think they still DONT have a Story or really know where to GO with it, do they ONCE again take on-board what they Felt the Fans had complaints about?

Which could mean a U-Turn again to show the Xenomorph was a Ancient Weapon, that had NOTHING to do with David? You think RS is also going to THROW OUT the Plot about David?

Looking into the Interview i dont see RS suggesting the ALIEN is the Awakening...

"What I always thought when I was making the first one"

This Comment to me seems more aimed at ALIEN and not so much Prometheus or Alien Covenant.  The Answers have Evolved/Changed as we have Progressed.

For RS to suggest we have to RE-EVOLVE the Xenomorph, to me this seems to Suggest that he intends the Prequels to CONNECT to ALIEN... and at Present the Xenomorph from Alien Covenant is NOT yet what we see in ALIEN, it has some Evolving to go.

I think Aesthetically we do see that Planet 4 does have some of the Bio-Mechanical which may seem Restricted to the Juggernauts and Docking Ship.

The other Buildings may have that Ancient look to them but it seems they also have Technology so its NOT like they are as Advanced as say Mankind Culture was 2000 Years+ ago.

Many of our Ancient Buildings that are in USE as of Today would NOT rely on Ancient Heating and Lighting as they would have when First Constructed for Example.

So it seems the Technology or Limitations on Planet 4 apart from for the USE in Certain Areas (Ships) is either a Cultural Thing like say the Amish People do, or Controlled and Limited by the Hierarchy where Certain Technology is ONLY really Used/Permitted for Certain things.

We could also maybe NOT rule out that their Ancestors had Turned away and Abandoned Certain Technology but i dont BUY that due to the Scorpion Docking Ship and how the Engineers reacted to seeing a Incoming Engineer Ship.

I think we can look at Ancient Cultures on Earth, where the Kings and the Like would LIVE in Places that are FAR more Luxurious and Furnished than the Majority of Normal Folk, the cultural Divide between the Kings and common Folk was Quite a lot in some Ancient Cultures.

As far as Clothing, Furnishings..... your common Folk would not have Posh Armour, Chairs, Tables or Thrones...

So the Engineers Culture could only Permit the more Advanced Technology to Certain Appointed Tasks and those who Carry them out, and also the Hierarchy/Governors of their Society.

"Derelict on LV-426, the Engineers and why such a creature was created in the first place."

So, Ridley finally understood the beauty of the Alien: Engineers script? xD

By the way, he had two attempts to tell us of these things. But he preferred to throw bait (drive us by nose) to hook us for the next films (provide him with a stable income). Or maybe he was simply embarrassed to openly show his ideas in films?

Whatever.

It is this indecision or deliberate avoidance of those things for which the sequels were filmed and brought Alien franchise to limbo. Not xenomorph.

Some other Ripley-related facts...

There's a crater on Pluto's moon Charon unofficially named after Ellen Ripley. It sits atop a rift valley, itself unofficially named Nostromo Chasma.

The surname has its origins in Old English: ripel (strip of land) + leah (wood). So, a clearing in a wood.

Ripley in Derbyshire, England, is not so far from where I grew up.

There is much that is left unexplained about the Engineer society. What we have seen suggests that they live a kind of religious life, like monks, shunning the trappings of material wealth, and focusing on matters like 'gardening'. Natural stone isn't a bad choice if you live that way.

As for the business of the Giger ship and biomechanics, another faction could be ultimately responsible, or perhaps it's something that appeared somewhere hundreds of millions of years ago, perhaps even from another race of beings. Lots of possibilities, one reason I like the Engineer aspect so much.

Not too impressed with it, it is like they live in stone huts in some village or similar. They should have had a better design, for example bio-mechanical so that is something that was disappointing about Alien Covenant. Maybe they were just a faction that decided to live some place else.

I have looked around for Gothic architecture, it seems alright. Maybe they could have something that is inspired by that if they get to the Engineer planet. Search at Google to see what that is like. Combine that with the Giger style and it could be interesting.

It depends on what kind of settings that they use when they use the sunbed. ;)

Love this idea Fowleri! 

CarynDelacroix wrote:

"To add to the theory:  The company purposely selected the Covenant vessel, or rerouted it to the planet, to symbolize the transaction being made here between the two androids. The angels on the Covenant logo represent David and Walter."

Yeah I like that. The 'Colonists' might also be prisoners, miscreants or political adversaries of W Y....The crew of the Covenant seemed like they'd burned some bridges and W Y would like to see them 'go away'. 

zona wrote:

"1. There was no obligation on their part to go to the "new planet" they could either go or not... Even if Weyland had planned the "accident" that sent the colonist there, they could have decided to just get back to their mission"

Could be explained by MUTHUR? It was never going to let them continue.....it would cripple the Covenant, preventing them from leaving the sector?

the odds of the Covenant passing by Planet 4 on it's way to Origae is almost impossible...think of standing on Earth and plotting a course to Origae that just happens to pass by David and Shaw on Planet 4....Just no way that is happening.

"David seems pleasantly surprised when they tell him they are on a colonisation mission."

Maybe bumbling bureaucratic W Y didn't inform David on what form his subjects were to be delivered?

Weylend Yutani "Don't worry you'll get your test subjects soon..." 

Hi, it'd be intriguing if Weyland Yutani sent the pledge transport there just so David can unfreeze every settler when he needs to, to use for experimentation

He has the Covenent team, however 5000 travelers he can investigate if that is the situation

Would I put it past Weyland/Yutani to do that? Not in any manner

Regards,

Grady M Kidwell

In defense of the film, it was quite innovative. As you mentioned, mostly the way its shot and also the dialogue come to mind in thinking "why is it the best film of all time". But it totally depends on the kind of films you're into, even if it is called "the best film of all time", that is only by those who can in the first place enjoy films that are dated, too talky, stagy, etc. Which Citizen Kane at points certainly is. I wouldn't say even from afar that it is the best film of all time. But I would defend it was the best film of the era under which it was conceived.

Citizen Kane is forward-thinking in ways other film weren't. If you look at Citizen Kane with the 70+ years there's been of cinema evolution since it came out, it looks totally antique. But if you look at any Frank Capra or Howard Hawks movie you'll understand that Orson Welles had a much more mature approach to filmmaking, most of all dialogue overlapping and camera transitions.

And finally another thing that I'd like to defend it's the narrator. Once my mother asked me about Citizen Kane and I told her it was great and she should watch it. She later told me she had tried but couldn't get past the obnoxious narrator voice. But actually when I first saw the film, I thought it was on purpose. Notice how once the narration is over, and the reveal is made that in the first 10 minutes "it was all a cheap documentary all along", the dialogue immediately turns way more natural and witty. So that narrator, being as square as he was, sounds like Orson Welles himself was mocking the over-exaggeration of pronunciation of dialogue in movies itself.

For example, if you see the rest of the films that were nominated for the Academy Awards back in 1942 you'll see that they all pail in comparison to the quality of Citizen Kane. Even The Maltese Falcon, which is a great movie, still works under way simpler camera movements and bigger leaps in credibility. Citizen Kane was more forward-thinking, it's shot with the kind of ambition films would be shot nowadays and the characters are more fleshed-out and flawed.

I'd recommend you to read a little bit about it, it's a very interesting "trivia" film, even if you don't like it. As you pointed out, it inspired countless both famous and infamous films and filmmakers. It might not be the best film I've ever saw, but it does seem to be a big center point of cinema in general, all paths lead to it somehow, given how ahead of its time it was and how many people it inspired. A Wikipedia article would be enough and a second watch wouldn't harm it. If you're really intrigued watch a documentary. "The Battle Over Citizen Kane" seems to be the go-to CK doc.

Certainly the Goo that David had on his Fingers did seem to have Nano Particles swimming in it, these could indeed be some kind of Life Form/Parasite.

The Earlier Drafts we never had the Goo but Nano-Scarabs, and so its Possible the Scarabs are replaced with Nano-Worm like Parasites.

Above is Sperm under a Microscope we see Many Many what are in effect Nano Cells. So the Pathogen could be similar.

I would NOT suspect the Worms in Prometheus that got Infected with the Goo are related to the Pathogen, i would say they was either some Native Worm/Grub like Organism or one that had been brought by Accident to LV-223 by the Engineers in the Past.

Some Props of what they Intended from Holloways Infection and so we can see the Eye-Worm was not the ONLY such Parasite, their would have been Many, and then Holloway would have started to go through his Transformation.

So looking at those Concepts, and Holloway Props then maybe they was running with the same idea, which could be NOT far from the Original Scarab Idea just change Nano-Scarabs to Nano-Worm like Parasite.

However they are NOT quite Worms..  they are more like the Cnidaria Life-Form Hydra's or indeed Ancient Cystoidea (Primitive Echinoderms).

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I think what it BOILS down to is FREE-WILL

With Free-Will then a Intelligent Creation would have the Capacity to be Evil or Good, they can be Shaped by their Environment and Experiences.

A Creation without Free-will could in effect be Programed to Follow Certain Ways/Rules.

You then also have Creation that relies on Instincts and Survival, this is the case with Most Life-Forms their Actions are NOT to be Considered Evil or Good they are just Surviving.

With the Engineers they appear to be a Species that has the Capacity for Free-will, which can become Chaotic and so this is where the Hierarchy would have Certain Rules and Regulations.

And some of these Rules/Ways may seem a little Wicked to some, but they would be Greater Reasons for such Rules/Rituals.   The Engineers would likely NOT view Mankind as being on the Same Level as them, and we could be seen to them as we would view Monkeys.

With Free-will comes the ability to Revolt and disobey the Rules and those who do-so could be seen as EVIL from the stance of the Hierarchy and so in this Context then PROMETHEUS would be seen as BAD in the Eyes of the Olympians/Zeus, as he would also had been seen as a Traitor to the other Titans.

While to Humanity he would NOT be considered as BAD but someone who is a Protector, someone who is Enlightening Mankind and trying to Help them against Oppression of the Gods.

If we try and look DEEPER with the Engineers, then their would likely had been Different Factions, who is to say if any are Truly Evil or Truly Good, they could be Neutral but have Different Opinions and Ways... but then their is the Potential for their to be SINISTER members of their Society.

I think its Possible they could have had Waring Factions in the Past, before at some point their was a Governing Body that is Created to Control and Maintain Order.... so their Species may have have Conflict and War before the DAWN of their own kind of NWO (New World Order).

So i think the Engineers are as likely to be Evil and Good as Mankind is too.

some interesting posts Lirk

Especially the one by Fabrizio Clerici

You could almost imagine the Engineers having what would be Flying Cities where they could DEPART a World if Needed.  so Flying Cities that would LAND and Set-Up on a Planet but be able to Depart when Needed, Cities that are maybe Flying Platforms of say a 2-3KM Diameter.

Think that would make a Good Read

Really nice work, upvoted! Thanks for sharing this with us!

H. R. Giger

Fabrizio Clerici

Isle of the Dead by Arnold Böcklin (1883)

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Well this is why I put them in quotation marks. Of course what is "good" and what is "bad" is somewhat a matter of perspective.

In this context I was clearly referring to them as corresponding to "God", "Zeus", "Prometheus", "Satan" - which should give you a straight forward explanation what is to be considered "good" or "bad", namely creating mankind and teaching them is (from our point of view) good. Wanting to destroy mankind is (from our point of view) bad. Clear as mud.

And I'm not saying that this or this group of Engineers is an identity with God or Satan or Zeus or Prometheus or that the myths played out literally. But the underlying pattern is clearly: one group of Engineers is benevolent towards mankind and one group is hostile (or at least instructed to destroy us, while being indifferent about it).

when david takes a little black goo on his finger we see floating roundworms inside. when swallowed by Charlie, he also has roundworms in his eye. on the ground in the temple large roundworms crawl and later melt into black goo and later when two astronauts come to this place black goo changed the roundworms into large snakes that have sour blood. hologram engineers are escaping to the room with their heads wondering where they are going, this must be a secret passage. I wonder if goo urns were there then, but they had to be there. the atmosphere had to be different since the paintings and survived and the urns did not open. for two thousand years the atmosphere has changed due to terraforming. the green crystal looks like a cracked maybe worn away by engineers when they fled and turned off thus maintaining the atmosphere so that the worms did not give birth to aliens from which they fled. but there was probably one more type of pathogen that David dumped on the planet of the engineer. this goo destroyed DNA and all of life. just like in the Bible at the end of the world, angels pour cups on the earth with plague, death, poisoned rivers, etc. only this did not happen because around 200 A.D. engineers died on the planet.

Certainly the Trilobite was a Indication that what we have is a Hybrid Organism a Face Hugger Type Creature that has Human DNA.  I would assume the Deacon would appear similar if Born from a Human, it would look similar but maybe would be Smaller.

The Neomorphs are a Result of what we can assume are some kind of Mold/Fungi that is Infected with the Pathogen to have the DNA of some Organism that is Genetically Related to a Deacon, well what ever Process that the Black Goo was obtained from.  The Spores would infect a Host to Gestate a Neomorph.

It appears that David had Experimented and tried to Engineer the Neomorph, as well as other Organisms that where Experimented with the Black Goo more Directly, and then he had Combined the Black Goo and Neomorph with Various other Organisms to Obtain their Traits in the GOAL of making a AMALGAMATION of Organisms Traits/DNA that he would then use to INFECT a Egg Cell to create other Organisms.

The Engineers did not YIELD as Good Results, but with Dr Shaws Egg Cells he was able to Create the Xenomorph.

The Xenomorph looks more Organic because it is a Protomorph and likely the Progenitor to the Xenomorph in the Franchise, that would have to go through some more Evolving/Engineering before we ARRIVE at the Eggs on LV-426.

Very Valid Point ;)

While we do see Black Liquid pouring down the Engineers Face/Head, when the Head does EXPLODE we do indeed see Fluid that is more Yellowish Color, like a Off White.  We have to ASK as to WHY we did not see any Splatter of Black Material?

The Creamy Color Material could be BRAIN Matter, but then if the Engineers had Black Blood then we should have surely seen some Black Blood Splatter too.  The Black Goo however is shown to be Black and so it could be the Pathogen seeping from the Engineers Head before it Exploded.

If we look at the Sacrificial Engineer we do see Black Stuff running through the Engineers Veins after he Consumes the GOO but prior to that i get the impression that maybe his Blood would be some kind of Dark Purple?

However when we see the Engineer being SHOT we do see his Suit does SEEP a Black Substance from the Wound. Could this Liquid just be from the Suit though?

If it was a Wound to the Engineer that was DEEP enough to pass through the Suit and Cause the Engineer to Bleed then judging by the Amount of Blood and Location the Engineer would have surely suffered some LUNG Damage, but maybe they can SHRUG off Pain?

Finally the Deacon Birth, from this Scene we see a Explosion of Blood/Fluid that appears to have a Very Dark Reddish Color we also see on the Floor the Blood/Liquid has a Reddish Tint, yet on his Suit we see a more Black Liquid.

I would say the Intention would be the Engineers have a Very Dark Blood Color that  ALMOST appears Black.

Regarding the Slime on the Panel... well if the Engineers Blood was a Greenish Color and almost Transparent, then it could be the Blood of a Engineer.  However there has been NO real Explanation  given for what that Substance was.

So we can but just Speculate ;)

      LV-426 was scheduled to be the latest of Earth’s penal colonies, it would be replacing the facilities on  Fiorina “Fury” 161.  Fiorina, with it’s vast ocean, was too valuable to waste on Earth’s criminals and with advancements in terraforming technology, it was time to upgrade the planet. Earth’s stock markets loved the news and the stock(symbol FIOA) soared, land options were purchased and the planet’s repurpose was in full swing.

       No such fate for LV-223, it’s lack of a global ocean and it’s sister moon, LV-426,  claiming a future penal colony(the moon wasn’t even listed on the stock exchange!)…...Well, it was a hard sell to any potential land owners. Weyland-Yutani did not give up so easily, they would place three permanent outposts upon the large moon, it was theirs and they would fight for it.

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Ripley ”Can we jettison some weight and get our delta v..”

Hicks “Already ran the numbers” gesturing towards the display “Still not enough”

Ripley ”Maybe if we used the armament to increase our…”

Hicks “Yup, ran those numbers too” visibly deflated “No go, just burn up faster or bounce off the atmosphere” 

Ripley “Orbit” , “Can we establish an orbit?”

Hicks “Yeah, we can do that….” puzzled “So...what’s your plan?”

Ripley “No plan” smiling weakley “Just don’t want to burn up”

    Hicks wasn’t going to argue about that one, besides he was thinking about Vasquez’s recent birthday party, the squad had come down with something and that had left Drake and himself to scarf down most of the cake and pasta dishes….His stomach grumbled painfully….Lemon cake with banana topping, something Bishop had whipped up for her...Good times.

LV-223 loomed ever larger.

Hicks “I got something..”

Ripley “What is it?”

Hicks “It’s metallic..Hyperbolic orbit...Rotating..”, “I think it’s another ship”

Hicks “We're not gonna make it”

Ripley “I thought you said we had the fuel?!”

Hicks “Well I was wrong..”  The plotted course showed an error and if landing was their purpose, a course correction was required.

     They’d been drifting towards LV-426’s sister moon, LV-223, for over a day.  Finding little water or food among the radioactive debris on LV-426, hunger pains were driving them to another moon. Luckily, system scans showed three Weyland-Yutani outposts on LV-223. 

The question was: did they have the fuel?

  The UD-4 Cheyenne hadn't been refueled after it’s return from Hadley’s Hope and they’d spent a great deal of fuel escaping the destruction of the Sulaco, not to mention the bumpy landing on LV-426.

Hicks “We’ll probably just burn up in the atmosphere…”

Ripley “great”

 "..Alien 3 is a better movie..."

I agree. AC is uneven....But I think it'll will have a much greater following in 10 years, because of gunplay and spaceships. Nostalgia is gonna kick in on Prometheus and AC at about the same time. Amazon reviews and youtube comments are going to flip...just like Alien3 has recently.

I want Ripley and Hicks to meet their demise on the surface of LV-223.

Stranded on LV-426 and making their way to LV-223 in the dropship would be a cool chapter.

 Look at scene when David and Shaw examine the Head Engineer cutted, and when it explosive we see green inner guts. Before it head of engineer crying black blood mayby it was Black goo on him blood. So guts and blood engineers is green and green slime on buttons im corridor od Piramide are the same?

MonsterZero

I see your list about things that you like in AC and Alien 3. To me I think that it depends on what you find important. You mention the things in AC and even though I do not write those things off I still think that having characters that are written in an interesting way is more important and that is why Alien 3 is a better movie the way I look at it. No visuals, guns, and so on no matter how well done they are can replace the importance of characters.

There are probably not many things that I would change about Alien 3 although there are some. I have read your writings about what you would like Alien 3 to have been. While I enjoy to read what you have written I am still alright with killing Hicks and Newt off. Your alternative would be to still keep that family thing from Aliens intact, I am not a huge fan of it. Many movies have happy endings but I do not think that is the good alternative for the Alien franchise.

Correct me if I am mistaken but would you have left Ripley, Hicks, and Bishop in it? To me it would to repeat too much from Aliens, we already have Aliens so I do not think that we need another. I kind of look at it like being Ripley's story (1-3) the rest are not that important even though there are many characters that I enjoy.

Hi. In Prometheus creature borned in Shaw was white trilobite and when he impregnated the Engineer, humanoid borned Black Dicon. Dicon was Black because mixed with gene pool with Engineer and he has bio overal and black blood. Original alien Has bio overal bio suit propably comes from engineers. David used Black goo at Shaw and creating white beasts and he take an engineer and mixed with Shaw blood and created Xenomorph but in AC alien didnt have biosuit ... Its bore and stupid I Dont know

Might be interesting if a neomorph was in sequel The neomorph seems smaller and more agiAppvn le and is pretty creepy when it’s mouth is closed andSHAREit has no facial features.

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Might be interesting if a neomorph was in sequel The neomorph seems smaller and more agile and is pretty creepy when it’s mouth is closed and has no facial features.

What do you guys think

I recently watched the movies for the first time and loved them (the first 2 anyway). I was wondering which games the Alien fanbase considers the best. I've heard Isolation is good and Colonial Marine is god awful.

After watching A3 Assembly cut yet again, I still really like it despite some flaws. The thing that is most bothersome is the terrible dialogue/audio. The dialogue itself is fine, but it's mixed unevenly. There can be a mix of whispers, very quiet talking, normal sounding dialogue and dialogue that is difficult to understand since it is awash in reverb all in one scene. It is very uneven and it gets worse when the musical score comes in. That's the main reason why it is the toughest to re watch for me. Otherwise, it is a solid movie.

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Dallas “How is she?”

Ash “Good”, “I have her under sedation”

Dallas “Alright, keep me up to date” Dallas leaves the cabin

Brett and Parker look in from the corridor .

Ash closes the door to the compartment..

Ash “Ripley? Can you hear me?”

A dazed Ripley ever so slightly nods her head.

Ash “I’m afraid we have all been exposed to a virus”, "A pathological one...Hallucinations and more.."

Ash “We’ve also read your report and I can assure you the Nostromo and it’s crew are very much alive..”

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Hicks “What’s wrong with her?”

Ripley laying on the floor, comatose.

Bishop “Results of the scan are incoming…”

Hicks “One moment she was up...the next down..”

Bishop “She has been mind stemmed..”

Hicks “What! Super Soldiered...Who wou..”, realizing  “The company..Carter Burke!”

Bishop “Yes, they must have implanted the device on Earth, just before the mission”

Hicks “Bastards”, “Should have known they would monitor her every step…”, “But why did it activate?!”

Suddenly there was a loud *clank* and the Sulaco shuddered

Bishop “I’m afraid you have your answer”

The monitors showed a spacecraft docking with the Sulaco

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Ash took the laser scalpel and made a small incision to his index finger. Red blood trickled from the cut

Ash “Satisfied?”

Ripley sighed. It is over. All a bad dream. Amanda is alive, Jonesy is alive...so is Kane. No alien. No problems...Just a virus Brett and Parker  picked up ‘bar hopping’. Earth orbit soon. Then a desk job.

Dallas “Glad you’re feeling better..” adding “...Not to be a bearer of bad news...But your shift is starting in one hour” Dallas grinned

Alien 3 scene 8:

Hicks and Ripley continued observing the monitors. Out of the corner of her eye she saw someone or something….

Ripley “Ash?!”

Hicks “Wha...who’s Ash?”

Ripley “Tell me you saw that!…?”

Hicks “Saw what?......You alright?”

Ripley “.......I’m seeing things...seeing ghosts..” gives a nervous laugh.

Hicks  “Maybe you should try and get some rest?”, “Take a break”, “I’ll keep an eye on things”.

Ripley “......Yeah...for once, I think you’re right” smiling “..think I’ll lay down…”

Ripley gets up, turns around and walks straight into captain Dallas of the Nostromo.

Let’s rewrite Alien 3

The Sulaco never leaves the system, stays in orbit around LV-426.

After the crew enter hypersleep, Mother brings a backup synthetic online. That synth, Bishop 2, interfaces with the Bishop. It learns about the alien.

 Bishop 2 travels to the surface, returning with multiple eggs.(visits the derelict)

 It later uses Newt as a test subject.  Bishop 2 “Fascinating”  The newly born xeno damages the Sulaco causing a fire. 

As Bishop 2 fights the fire, Ripley, Hicks and Bishop are awoken.

Ripley “Where’s Newt!?”

They are trapped as Mother isolates the ship from the fire.

Bishop hacks into Mother...finds out the truth.(lots of gory Newt video and facehuggers running loose on the Sulaco)

They defeat Bishop 2 and the xeno/facehuggers(lots of action)

Bishop rigs the Sulaco for destruction(“Sulaco CAN”T reach  Earth!!”)...he stays on board to carry out the task.

Hicks and Ripley escape the Sulaco in the drop ship. (Sulaco *boom!*)

The movie ends with them landing on LV-426.