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I just don't like ideas about Bishop-traitor or Queen carrying/laying egg. For many years I saw many ideas and some were dumber than the other.

Do you know? There was no egg in the Alien 3 preview! Only facehuggers.

But a test group of viewers began to ask: "Where did the egg come from?"

And FOX: "Well, they come from egg".

FOX adds egg.

Test group: "Yes, but where did the egg come from?"

FOX: "Oh... shut up!"

XDDD

You should better ask - why did two facehuggers appear from one egg?

In William Gibson's script for Alien3 Bishop tells Hicks that the Queen managed on board Sulaco and somehow it deposited genetic material in the ship, that was used by the weapons division to create smaller version of the alien eggs that grow bigger day by day. But in the beginning of the script we see that Bishop had an egg within his entrails. So Bishop was infected by the queen and the egg developed inside it.

@Leto, you are being completely defeatist. Of course there is sense in trying to fill a plot hole - if a plausible explanation can be found. Part of the fun of spinning a story is filling holes that don't have an explanation. I see that speculation isn't your strong point.

"2 weeks to get a response"

They need to figure out if they have faster than light communication(like Star Trek's sub space..instant coms across the galaxy) in the Alien verse.

Weyland Corp. "Was the mission a success?"

Space Marine director: "Won't know for two weeks..sorry"

In Aliens, there is not a single clue to explain the egg. Because it was never planned.

I don’t think that trying to explain the plot hole makes any sense. This is not even Damon Lindelof's mystery box. Which has no solution and is intended solely to create speculation. Egg in Alien 3 is just a plot hole.

Most likely, this is David, who, with the help of fingering, was able to make the ship grow an egg. It also perfectly explains why the egg grew on the ceiling.

In respect of what happened on the Sulaco, it might be worth reflecting on the dialogue between Ripley and Bishop after she reactivates him.

RIPLEY: Was there an alien onboard?

BISHOP: Yes.

RIPLEY: Was it on the Sulaco, or did it come with us in the EEV?

BISHOP: It was with us all the way.

RIPLEY: Does the Company know?

BISHOP: The company knows everything that happened on the ship. It all goes into the computer and gets sent back to Network.

RIPLEY: And they want it.

I wonder, is Ripley thinking of the 8-foot Alien or the facehugger when she asks this question? Because when she talked about the facehugger before, she describes it very clearly as a "parasite".

If she has the fully grown Alien in mind... perhaps the Queen wasn't the only hitch-hiker on the dropship. Maybe a drone snuck in and took an egg with it.

After the dropship landed on the Sulaco, there wasn't any time for Bishop or the Queen to wander about and glue the egg to a ceiling. It's not exactly clear where the egg was placed, but it obviously wasn't too far from the hypersleep chamber. The facehugger obviously had no trouble getting from the egg to Ripley's stasis tube.

When Bishop accesses the flight data recorder, the implication is that he gets to see a lot of things, including the information that was sent back to the Company. If an Alien had pasted an egg in a corridor, the Company would know, and so would Bishop at the point he accessed the recorder.

From everything else we've seen in the Alien universe, the ships are on autopilot when the crew are in stasis. Having said that...

If a ship is on a long journey, the chances of a fire breaking out and happening to be a very short distance from a planet is extremely unlikely. Unless the Sulaco was already orbiting Fiorina.

So what was the autopilot doing?

Who was flying the Sulaco?

Also I'm aware of Colonial Marines dlc Stasis Interuppted but know nothing of it's plot. If I'm treading familiar territory let me know.

 The Queen and Bishop are the most plausible theories. Alien Theory on you tube covered them as well. My only issue with Bishop is the egg appears to be in in hallway somewhere. Not on board the drop ship.

My best theory so far

I thought up an angle regarding Carter Burke. Burke sends a message from Hadley's Hope to Weyland Yutani. Receives orders to use the facehugger to impregnate Ripley and Newt. This obviously fails. One thing about the messages is if you're watching the special edition you learn it takes 2 weeks to get a response due to obvious distance. 

In Alien 3 Weyland Yutani shows up quickly once they learn of the dragon being captured and also seem to know Ripley is impregnated with a queen. My opinion is the Sulaco was being shadowed the whole time by the ship that arrives on Fiorina 161.

So far the best thing I can think of is Michael Bishop Weyalnd's security force was prepared to hijack the Sulaco once Ripley and and Newt were in cryo but also most likely sending a group into the LV-426 derelict with the knowledge that the atmosphere processor destruction will likely destroy the derelict.

When Burke fails with with Ripley and Newt, Weyland Yutani boards the Sulaco with what is likely a royal egg (I don't know really). It hatches and impregnates Ripley. Weyland Yutani possibly reroutes the Sulaco to Fiorina 161 to perhaps watch and collect data on the xenomorph in a live environment( Holes in this theory since Fury 161 has no working surveillance according to Mr. Aaron). The rest you know.

I know thats long and perhaps ridiculous but it's the best I could come up with lol. 

It comes down to Bishop or the queen. It seems like Bishop's accounting for time from when he crawled into the pipe, did what he had to do and get back was pretty much accounted for. The queen could have stowed it somehow but it couldn't be seen with the queen- I would have to say the queen brought it aboard. 

For me...It always comes down to: Who was flying the Sulaco? Why did it stop at a prison planet and not just travel back to Earth or a safe station?

I assume Bishop set course for Earth and MUTHER superseded. 

BigDave, I would go with a modified option 2, I think it's late for option 1 and option 3 was exploited over and over again.

I would start with xenomorphs being created by Engineers, evolved by David and become self conscious and self-sufficient, a species in its own right, that was however unable to overcome the inability to multiply without hosts.

And I imagine David losing control over xenomorphs even before WY or the Engineers found his trace.

I liked Ripley8, but there's no better ending for Ripley than in Alien3. Alien Resurrection is the Jurassic Park of the Alien franchise. There no future for Ripley from there on, even if she made it alive.

But there was so much potential in the ending of Alien Covenant...

I like Alien3 for what it is and I did not care much about continuity, especially since all the characters except Ripley didn't make it to the next film. Even the xenomorph is not the same from one film to the next. And it seems the producers / writers / directors did not care much for continuity either. 

But when I look again at the ending of Alien Covenant, man, that's the first time when I need to see some continuity.

Everyone has their opinion. And, as it happens, I share the above opinions! But I didn't have to overthink it. I just like Covenant for what it is. I know it backwards, like all the Alien movies, and really rate it.

Who knows how Alien 3 would have fared without the terrible studio interference that was inflicted on Fincher. It could have been a great film instead of a patched-together mess.

It's a nice enough monster, but

- the small number of fingers make it look crippled. The original Alien was scarier.

- An Alien is scarier if it doesn't snarl or howl like a deranged dog. Slavering in virtual silence, like the original, is far more menacing. Screaming in pain, like in Aliens, I can accept, and they are cool. The screams are part and parcel of being a self-serving deadly monster.

Absolutely.

I like Alien3...But killing off Newt,Hicks, Bishop...was just a little too much for me.

Not to mention: why was the Sulaco hovering above a prison colony? How did the Facehugger get aboard...stuff like that...

Love the Alien3 soundtrack...But I like Alien Covenant's soundtrack even more!

AC has a lot of flaws...but none I put in the Alien3 cate'gory '.

Pandorum?

Thanks, but I don't think it was Event Horizon. More recent, maybe last 10 years. And I think fairly low-budget.

I wouldn't kill Call off, perhaps her old body is destroyed and she is transplanted in a new body (would be great work around Winona Ryder's age or if they recast her with a younger actress) and have her and Ripley relationship to slowly deteriorate over the coarse of the Film. Which forces Call to battle Ripley.

R8 transforming sounds pretty good, but if it would be a continuation of Resurrection, Call would have to have a role. The way the movie ended, they seemed like a package deal- unless they pull an Alien 3 and Call dies in the first couple minutes. It might be tricky since a lot of people don't want the franchise to be a Ripley story anymore, but I would be down with it.

Event Horizon?

Although I'm one of those fans who would like to see xenomorphs hives over and over again.

I do like option 3 the most. Because further improvements on the xenomorphs would certainly make them more dangerious.

Because Option 2 would make them too much like either the Zerg or Species 8472. Also the rapid evolving shtick is now over-used in sci-fi: Zergs, Species 8472, Shin Godzilla, G-virus mutants, Marvel Villians, DC Villians, Cylons, and Terminators

Option 1 i'm not a fan of because it renders the Engineers/Space Jockey importance moot, not to mention AVP-movie fans would connect the yaut'ja to the xenomorph's creation which no offense to the Yaut'ja but I don't think they don't look like the type of species to create artificial life.

@Thoughts_Dreams

I was thinking of a villain route for Ripley 8, like Alien Resurrection is her start of darkness; as I mention above. It would indeed erase her marvel super-hero characterization that was setted up in Resurrection and return to the cosmic horror story of the original alien. Hell I would even suggest that she would gradually molt into a xenomorph-like creature as her humanity slowly disappears over the coarse of the story. 

thanks for the comment bro - if it helps - if you research Prometheus and covenant you'll find Davids alien was based on the engineers design, his own brand so to speak. The details for that are mainly in the cannon books and scripts - so if you look closer into the story you'll see he merely copied or tried to make a close approximation. that made me feel better about it all as i really didn't like that he was the creator. hope you like the audio :)

Leto:

You can probably involve philosophy and the Engineers but to me I need the human journey to be the important thing. Corporate power is real so that is why I think that it is important to have it, I do not think that it is boring but rather important to bring up since it affects us all.

Shit happens, maybe there is really not very much news to speak of? It does not mean that Disney does not care about it. They bought it so maybe they are thinking about what they shall do with that. At least there are some things that there is going on.

There might be a combination of what has been written. They have not had many news regarding the franchise in general this year, right? If they have not written much about it I guess that there is no reason for them to keep all the news to 26 of April, right?

Covid-19 might have something to do with it, at least it has not made the situation better. I am more worried about that compared to no alien news, you got to keep things in perspective. Keeping a good health should be a bigger priority.

". . . what kind of Career can she expect?"

NBA! :D

"Speed, Strength, Skill as well as Regenerative Ability"

Who would not like to have her in their team? It's effing obvious :D

As far as Ripley in movies is concerned she is done. Someone could write about her clone in some fan-fiction but other than that they should let it rest.

My favorite is the second one from the left, that is the original right?

I like the size of it, the mouth is not too big and not too small. Even though the queen is a good design it is kind of ridiculous. She is too tall and too big and even though it might work when you watch the movie it becomes less so when you think about it.

The Newborn looks dumb, but at least it looks different. One of the things that is interesting about the franchise is that the monsters always look different from one movie to another but that there are things that always connect them. I wonder how much of a job that it is to make new ones so that you will not repeat what has been done before. Maybe it is easy in the beginning but imagine when you reach movie number four it might become more difficult.

You forgot about the AVP's. ;)

That is interesting even though having David being responsible for the monster sucks balls. I like to see how people can create their own alien related things be it music, drawings or what ever it might be.

thanks guys - im really enjoying writing the story to accompany it - check out the link to the treatment via  yumpa in the sound cloud description :) xx

Oh shi... that's cool. I like the menacing, offensive style. It seems as if I saw the trailer for the next film.

Pretty good sound mix and build up. 

Possibly being more refined versions of Fitfield (deleted scene version), tiny pale abominations that have no humanity in them.

As a sub plot, they could have a basketball contest.

While David could sink a shot while riding a bike, the ball definitely rattled in the rim and shook the back board. Two points nonetheless I suppose. However, R8 sunk a half court shot (in real life) behind the back- and nothing but net- swish! A 3 point shot. Something to consider.....

Nice topic!

I think David will be around during the time of Ripley 8 and may have supplied the queen and samples to the military?

Also....David may have upgraded to 25th century tech by then...and be quite formidable.

Yeah...what would Ripley 8's children look like?

The children of Ripley 8 might be a better story.

Sandovers, what does ghosts that have to do with ALIEN?