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Is Ripley 8 vengeful? Is she even sane? What answers(if any) do you think she would seek?("Ripley 8 the library years")

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The New Born is without a doubt my favorite version/hybrid. Just awesome.

How would(does) the newborn procreate? Just so nasty just to think about.

I know they were thinking of the New Born with a penis or vagina...But this would have been really out there.

Xeno's seem to be a dead end without a queen. But the NEW BORN with a reproductive system?!

I think Certainly the Room could have been Vacuum Sealed

I would also NOT rule out the Human Prometheus Crew with NO Helmets having a effect on the Environment, something we Exhale during our Respirator Process, which could give a Good Reason for the Space Jockey Suits too.

The Engineer Head went through some Changes, it seemed the Synapse Stabilizer had brought some Activity to the Head which then made the Pathogen/Mutagen become Active in the Cells, the Result seemed like a Accelerated Process before it Exploded... the Head also only Exploded after they attempted to Quarantine it and Spray it so maybe that played a Part in the Explosion?  I would assume the Engineers went through like a Accelerated Process of Holloways where eventually they maybe broke down like the Sacrificial Engineer but being contained in a Suit this caused a Build Up/Pressure of the Chemical Reaction and it Exploded from the Suits. With Holloway getting himself Torched before the Effects Advanced.

when it comes down to the Running Engineers, well who knows how many were Infected... and those who are could have been Infected prior and been Unaware..... especially if INDEED they had a SPIKED Drink or their Oxygen Supply in their Suits was Infected as a act of Sabotage/Terrorism.

We did hear that Screech as the Hologram was Activated, which did SOUND  bit like the Deacon at the End... so we cant rule that out....... but it could be a case of making such things so that it gives us that Ambiguity so we cant really come to a Water Tight Conclusion... which if that the Case it is in Part Genius as it means Endless Debates, but on the other such Ambiguity and Conflicting Clues can be Frustrating.

Well, the pathogen, or rather mutagen, reacts when the sealed door is opened. It could be either because there is a vacuum in the chamber (which would explain why the Engineer head doesn’t rot) or it reacts on microbes from the human bodies. The latter makes you associate with the xenomorph egg which reacts when a life form is close by. However, that the mutagen reacts when the door is open, doesn't mean it can spread through the air which David tells Weyland that it can’t (because he knows how it spread to Holloway).

Why did the Engineer head explode? There are a number of possibilities, I suppose. Firstly, it was subjected to a current which, they hoped, would sort of bring it to life. Perhaps it became overheated and therefore exploded?

On the other hand, the skin on the head seemed to mutate suggesting that it had been exposed to the mutagen (but why would it explode?) But how could it? The running Engineers had their suits and helmets on. Wouldn’t they be protected? It also seemed that they were running from a creature (the scream) rather than from a mutagenic cloud? Or were they running from terrorists? Or perhaps they were the terrorists?

Regarding if he is  Good Creator...

I think he would Create for his Own Agenda... which would be to Create something more Perfect than his own Creators could and their Creators (Engineers).

Creating something for himself would make him feel he has achieved a kind of God-Hood.. i could see him Create some Hybrid Humans from the Embryo's and i think he would TREAT them well...

Provided they would see him as their Creator/God, and Obey his Rules, and Worship him, then he would Treat them Fair!

But if they go against his Rules, or Question him or he then Feels they could Rebel then he would NOT even Hesitate at Destroying Him!

It is my ASSUMPTION he would have Fooled and Used the Colonist to SET UP a World that then he can use them as HOST to Create his Xenomorphs that would be USED as a Weapon to Eradicate any Threats from other Worlds.

He would more so be Interested in then Engineering the Human Embryo's to make his Own Hybrids and claim to them he is their Creator, God and this World he Built for them to Inhabit...

All will be well, they will be looked after, they would Worship David as God/King and all would be Very Well

UNTIL..... those Hybrids discover they actually Descended from HUMANS and would be Human  if NOT for his Engineering of them... they discover that David is a Creation of their Parents (Humans) and then the $£%^ Hits the Fan...

Leaving David NO option but to Unleash the Xenomorphs!  From his Hybrids they could lead to a more Evolved Xenomorph.

When the Engineers discover Davids Xenomorph, and his Hybrid Humans they see Potential in a Amalgamation of them to Experiment with to EVOLVE us closer to the Xenomorph from ALIEN

This is what i Speculate in Part the Next Two Prequels would have Covered!

@esther85

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I think we can only Speculate on Dr Shaw and David as far as their Relationship, Fassbender did say they had like a Married Relationship, that went Sour....  so they had a BOND but then things went BAD!

The Actual Draft for The Crossing (i think this was also included in one of the earlier Drafts for Covenant) as that Dr Shaw became Fond of David and they even GOT Intimate and Dr Shaw had Fallen for David... but then as they arrived at Paradise, then David awoke her and she watched as they arrived at Paradise in Wonder and Awe, and she spoke to David and then he just TORE her Head Off!

What i SUSPECT had happened is that David had learned a bit about the Engineers to know they would see Dr Shaw as Insignificant, they would likely NOT deem it Important to give her Answers and there is a GREAT risk that Dr Shaw could be KILLED without getting her Answers.

For David he is Sentient, he has Finally Found a Companion a Friend, he would be ALONE without her, and it seemed he maybe was FOND of her but this could be Purely for the Selfish Reason that David would NOT be alone...

David would also want to Safeguard himself and NOT risk having his HEAD TORN OFF!  And so he Decided that the Safest Option is to KILL the Engineers, and then he could go down and go through the Engineers Archives/Information and maybe he could GET her some Answers, or just Fabricate something to Dr Shaw.

But at least then he and Dr Shaw would be Alive, and ONCE our David has Explored the Engineers World and gained Information and Knowledge he may have wanted to DEPART but it seems he became Stranded.

I would ASSUME that after the Crash, that David had awoken Dr Shaw, gave some Excuse like the Engineers were a Threat and was about to Destroy them and he had NO CHOICE but to Bombard them.... and inform her that the Planet is not SAFE at Present and so SHE would have to remain on the Ship until the Infection has PASSED!

She likely would Believe him, and he would go off to try and get her Answers, and he was FREE to explore the Engineer City, and gain Knowledge and do as he Pleases.

What we see is that David had studied some Life-Forms, even Engineers and Experimented on them, so the Bombardment did-not KILL everything.... so if some Engineers Survived and other Life, then some places he could get CLEAN WATER and Food for Dr Shaw.

Eventually she would WONDER... how can David bring her Food and Drink thats not Infected if the Planet is NOT SAFE?

From HERE i would ASSUME one of THREE outcomes.

1) Curious one day she leaves the Ship and Wonders to the City and WALKS in on David and his Experiments....  he then tries to give her a Reason that he is doing this for HER so he can Find a Way so she can Create Life to then Start a New Eden together......She rejects this and

a) Tries to Escape but is Caught, and Experimented because he Takes the Rejection Bad and that she is Against Him!

b) or she is Badly Injured while trying to Escape and Dying and so David then Experiments with her to keep her Alive which Fails.. so he uses her for his Experiments.

c) She escapes to the Ship and tries to Barricade herself but David manages to Capture her and the Outcome is as a/b

2) She discovers some Horrors that David had been up to and she Flees back to the Ship, and David is unaware but then he becomes Suspicious when he Visits her, after Questions she is asking, or she tells him she knows what he has done.... in which case David then gives his Reasons as of Option 1 and Dr Shaw tries to again escape but succumbs to a Fate as in Option 1a/1b.

3) As Dr Shaw leaves the Ship either after she Discovers what David has done and he Chases after her, or prior to getting into Davids hide out.... she becomes Infected with the Neomorph and David tries to SAVE her but Fails!

He then Decides he may as well use her for Experiments... especially if the Human Neomorph is different to the others he Encountered.

@Hox

Indeed i find it Interesting to HOW those Urns became Activated, when we look at the Movie it seems the Engineers had attempted to RUN to this Room, so does this Room offer some Sanctuary from Infection, seem ODD as there are Loads of the Urns in the Room.

However the Engineers Head seemed intact, Long Dead but well Preserved, yet the Space Suit was Hollow!

The Device that Dr Shaw and Dr Ford used on the Head would Trick the Head to become Alive again... we then saw that the Head Started to Change (its Cells were Changing) and then it Exploded....

Now the Complex was Terra-formed so it could Support Life and Cleaner than Earths.... (Oxygen etc) yet our Engineers wore those Suits which they never needed OUTSIDE...

So we have to then look at what is Different Between the Engineers and the Humans.... and i would SUSPECT that the Removal of the Helmets that allowed the Humans to Breath and then Exhale is WHAT likely effected the Room and Urns... if this Assumption is Correct then it would give Good Reason to WHY the Engineers wore those Space Jockey Suits.

Going back to the Head, the Engineer would soon had Died after being Decapitated and so his Respiratory System would NOT be Active and thus NOT effect the Room... and the Infection seemed Halted in the Head and so its LIKELY the Rooms Environment Conditions would keep the Urns from Leaking!

There are Inconsistencies but this is mainly due to those working on the Movie not Considering some Conflicts... that being the URNS on the Juggernaught, we can only assume they are Loaded in Somewhat that Prevents them from being Activated as per in the Big Head Room (that got affected).

As FAR as a TRAP!

Who knows, call it a Trap or a Safeguard we cant rule that out...

It comes down to the Star-Maps they WAS NOT a Invitation, some Speculate it was a Deliberate Trap i am not sure on that, surely it is some Safeguard but you would also be WISE to assign some kind of Sensor Alarm for Intruders and some Guards to awaken if someone Stumbled on the Outpost?.

But our Engineer was still FAST ASLEEP... how long would he had remained if David had not Operated the Buttons on his Cryo-Pod?

We maybe have to look at the other Outposts... we can only Speculate to what Condition they are in..... we have to look at a Few Things from Prometheus.

Clearly Dr Shaw was heading towards one of the other Outposts to Obtain a Juggernaught, where as the Outpost they had Visited was Closer... do we ASSUME that Each Outpost has ONLY the ONE Hangar or Ship?  Maybe that Outpost had MORE ships that had Taken Off?

We have to ASSUME the Outpost Hanger from where they took the Juggernaught from had NO Engineers on the Ship, so if the Outpost has ONE Ship, and this Ship had NO Engineers then this makes Sense... IF the Outposts have more than ONE Ship then surely would Dr Shaw not want to Awaken any Engineers if some Ships had the in Cryo-Sleep so its a Quicker way to get her Answers... or does she think going to their Home-world where they are in Greater Number would allow her more chance of NOT getting her Head Pulled Off?

So i would assume either the other Outpost had ONLY the One Ship (No Engineers) or that other Ships around that Outpost had No Engineers.

So we have to Wonder IF and WHY there was just ONE Engineer remaining... and IF any Ships had Left at the Time During/After the Outbreak

We can but Speculate....  IF however the Last Engineer was a Saboteur.... (or part of a Group of them) they could have Contaminated some Water or Similar, and then Gathered the Engineers for a TOAST to their Mission, a Tainted Toast at that... MUD IN YOUR EYE!

@Chli

Firstly indeed we could look at the Engineers Bodies and be led to ASSUME this is a Xenomorph or Similar Outbreak and you would NOT be incorrect in being Drawn to that Conclusion.   A thing to remember is that Prometheus had began Production at the Time that Lindeloff came in to Re-Write the Story.. so some of the Props may have either been Worked on, or decided to keep the Designs for Prometheus.

By that in Alien Engineers, indeed some of the Engineer Bodies had died from Chest Busters and other from Wounds by the Xenomorphs.

The Props where Hollow which makes them Lighter to Carrier about and Produce.... but then this also FITS with Prometheus and the Pathogen and what we had seen from the Comments by Dr Shaw, the Exploding Head and Sacrificial Engineer, to then look at the Space Suits containing the Violent Reaction of the Black Goo that broken down the Engineers Molecular Structure and would Eventually then Explode from out of the Space Suit.

The Shredded Skin was Ambiguous it could indicate the Worms changing to the Hammerpedes, but its also open to Debate about it being the Skin of some other Horror that had been released on the Outpost in the Past ;)

Regarding the Pathogen Changes.... well we did get that Viral Data Sheet about the Black Goo that kind of contradicted Prometheus and indicated it was Airborne.

Things also get Changed from Movie to Movie sometimes without taking a lot of the previous Movie into Consideration.

I can only Speculate that the Bio-Weapon is like a Atomic Bomb, in that inside are Multiple Components that when they are Activated in a Certain way leads to the Atomic Blast, and so on Planet 4 we see the FULL EFFECT of the Intended Atomic Weapon if you would.... but on LV-223 what we got was a Leak of the Radioactive Material. 

So its like LV-223 was like a Fukushima and Planet 4 like Hiroshima

I felt that Ripley 8 was something Interesting and offering a Different take on the Xenomorph and what could be gained by the Organism.  While Leto she may have been covered in some Comics its not quite Canon, well like Alien vs Predator vs Terminator should be considered Canon.

I will have to take a look at Alien: Original Sin However ;)

Looking at what would be Next for Ripley 8 is interesting as it seemed as Time went on, then she Started to gain more of Ripleys Memories, but earlier she did seem to have more Emotional Detachment towards Humans, so it would be Interesting to see her Humanity/Xenomorph Psychology/Needs be Contested against each other.

As she is not Human, it is likely she may be treated differently and Not accepted well by other Humans... she may feel more of a Connection with Synthetics.  While she has the Memories of Ripley, indeed she is NOT at all Ripley, and being Superior to Humans, and yet NOT accepted by Humans could IMPACT how she could behave.

Being Sentient, having some Emotions, and being Superior Psychically could Potentially make her Unstable and Dangerous like David was.

I think it will be a Tough Time for her as she would have some Humanity in her, but its likely that People would want to USE her to their Benefit.

From a Military Standpoint then she is a Super-Solider, Quicker, Faster Reactions, Strength, Speed, Agility, Resilience to Pain, Regeneration etc etc.....  

But she is more Human/Mortal than a Synthetic is, which could pose Problems.   From a Military Agenda i feel that Cloning of Ripley 8 would be a more Efficient Military Asset than a Xenomorph.

Xenomorphs would be HARD to Control and Contain and would really be a NUKE! Type of Weapon.... with a NUKE there is the Fall-Out and after that the Land is yours... so with a Xenomorph we know they will Procreate and so it would come down to HOW LONG do Xenomorphs Live for before they Die-Out and the Eggs Remain?

so on Paper a Ripley 8 Clone may sound a Great Military Asset if Produced in Number,  i would say a Ripley 8 can Out Muscle most Synthetics, and Predators...  While Xenomorphs have their Claws, Tails and Teeth, they are shown to still be able to be thrown about by Stronger Beings.  Give a Ripley 8 Clone the Colonial Marines Weapons and they would be more Efficient than the Marines as far as Killing!  Give them Predator Tech and they could be more of a threat than a Predator.

The DISADVANTAGE to using a Ripley 8 Clone would be as far as can these beings have as much Empathy and Judgement as a Human?  Which can be a Advantage/Disadvantage.

But the Biggest Danger is that they could potentially be Sentient beings, and Sentient beings with a Hive Mind to Communicate between Each Other is a Recipe for Rebellion and Potentially them Overthrowing Mankind and so the Creation of Ripley 8 and Potential to then Mass-Clone her does offer a Hubris that fits with the PROMETHEUS themes.

Of-course this depends on her Life-Span as with the Xenomorphs, would  Ripley 8 only live for another few Days?  Weeks?, Months? Years? Decades?  there was reasons WHY the Replicants had Limited Life Spans... a Ripley 8 with a Limited Life Span would be more Beneficial, a Ripley 8 who could LIVE for Hundreds of Years would be a Problem if they are MASS CLONED.

There is another Potential Problem..... the Xenomorph is also a Hybrid, it is a Creation that likely came from Cross-Breeding and Experiments, but there is ONE thing that stands out for the Xenomorph.... SURVIVAL they set out to Survive to Procreate and its via HOW they do this that they are a Threat to other Species....

As Ripley 8 is Part Xenomorph can we rule out the Ability to Procreate?  Would she require a SEED to do this but that would make her into a SIL from Species.  Or could she Procreate Asexually, so we can only Speculate, that maybe she could make herself Pregnant and Give birth to Live Young and this Process is Rapid Compared to a Human, and these Young if they become the same as Ripley 8 then that would POSE a Massive Problem.

So there are some Interesting things to Speculate about, i would say that any Would Be Company like Weyland-Yutani was (USM for example) would surely look at Ripley 8 for various Benefits.... not only as far as Genetic Engineering (Quest for improving our Mortality) but also for Military Applications.

I understand for some this would be just NOT ALIEN!

We would be looking at like Super Hero Movie... well more a Cross Between Bladerunner meets Universal Solider that is even more Superior and less Mortal.

HOWEVER.... some things to Consider!

1) Ripley 8 is a Hybrid she is Part Human/Part Xenomorph, while Emotionally she could Wrestle between her Humanity and her Alien Identity, what we forget about is Genetically!  The Xenomorph DNA is about adapting to its Environment, Survival.... Evolution if you would, and so over time we cant say if her Xeno DNA will start to take over her Human and so she would become Less and Less Human, Certainly maybe Aesthetically..

2) As a Hybrid then Ripley 8 has Xenomorph DNA and so someone could attempt to OBTAIN her Xenomorph DNA to try and Create the Xenomorphs or Similar.

So a Ripley 8 could lead to something that would become more ALIEN.  Both 1 and 2 are Explored in a Idea i had for Alien 5 a Long while back that i revised a bit last year (ALIEN: VANGUARD)

But this Topic is to Speculate and Discus what Potential Path is Next for Ripley 8 and what could be Gained/Obtained from her DNA, in Context to what everyone thinks and not just my Alien 5 Idea.

@dk

Give her time, there is bound for unforeseen consequence of blending human biology with xenomorph

@BigDave, "I can see a Accidental Spillage/Outbreak infect a CertainNumber of Engineers, but i find it unlikely as to HOW it would get to other Complexes."

I would say infected worms would be an easy vector for moving the infection between complexes.

Something that bothers me in respect of there being "an outbreak" on LV-223 is that within a short period of opening the Head Chamber, the urns went all loopy and started spewing black goo all over the place. Placing a large assortment of urns around the Head statue like this is/was clearly a very dangerous thing to do, so what purpose does that serve? Was it a trap? If so, it's a very effective one. But it hardly resonates with the facility being an outpost built for the express purpose of building a bio-weapon, unless its purpose was to prevent any inquisitive visitors taking the bioweapon off-planet.

Was it a tomb meant to be sealed for all time, like Egyptian burial chambers stuffed full of afterlife goodies? Probably not, because David figured out pretty quickly how to open the door, and the door wasn't hidden in the first place.

Or something else?

Ripley 8's story continues in Alien vs Predator vs Terminator.

Also, in the book - Alien: Original Sin.

I actually liked Ripley 8 very much and would say she was more human than Xeno and did have plenty of feelings. To wit:

She ripped out part of a xeno and offered it to Call- "Want a souvenir?"

The obvious basket ball Johner taunting.

The emotional response upon finding the other seven clones.

I thought it was a perfect blend of Ripley's humanity and already wry wit and the more cunning survival/intelligence of the Xeno. She would have shredded Either David or Ash (but had an affinity for Call).

I just don't know how that story could continue while staying fresh, at least in a cinema format.

It's also interesting that the pathogen can change from one movie to the next. In Prometheus, the pathogen is not airborn (David says to Weyland that he can remove the helmet). Wheras in Covenant the pathogen reacts with air and spreads like a cloud.

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Well, it's interesting what they wanted us to imagine, isn't it? They find a heap of dead bodies with chestholes, and cryopods with dead bodies with chestholes and they also find a skin which has been shredded. Where have we seen this before? I think they have dabbled with chemistry and tested on humans/engineers and guess what they came up with . . .

The common ancestor is an interesting and frightening concept . . .

While I find the idea of human/xenomorph hybrids mildly interesting.

However I always disliked Ripley 8, she is not the original Ripley that we know and love from the prior films because she is a clone and a hybrid.

Also I am not a fan of Joss Weadon's writing and I feel that he was trying to turn Alien Resurrection into a pseudo-super hero movie. 

Adding to the above, I am not a fan of Ultimate Lifeforms or end-goal evolution on principal that it conflicts with real-world biological evolution which is random and goaless. A creature that no longer can evolve is good as extinct, ultimate means last in Latin which means they are end of the road creatures.

Xenomorphs since they are artificial creations and not products of natural biological evolution they still adhere to its rules. They are a highly adaptive species more a kin to a virus than a predatory animal however the xenomorph has several fatal flaws; they require hosts to reproduce and have aversion to extreme temperatures. 

A Human-xenomorph hybrid may lift some restrictions of the xenomorph but may also give them more weaknesses. Humans lack an exoskeleton, sharp claws, a tail, razor sharp teeth, and the secondary jaws of a xenomorph. Sure they gain human intelligence and added super-human abilities but it seems to me they are actually weaker than a garden variety xenomorph warrior/drone.

Also being a hybrid, Ripley 8 would more than likely be sterile thus ending any sort of future for these hybrids. The xenomorphs themselves who copy DNA of their host get around this by genetic mimicry/adaption rather than taking its hosts DNA thus the xenomorph genome is pure and not hybridized.

Interesting topic, though BigDave.

A Quarantine and Abandoning of LV-223 sounds likely.

The Space Suits as far as Protection i mean in regards to the Pathogen, but NOT any Organisms that are Created or Evolve from it.  I make that Assumption based on the Complex and Ships being able to Sustain Human Life with NO Masks, and how the Engineers seem to be Engineered to Survive the Hostile Environment of the Surface of LV-223.

Regarding a Hive on LV-223 well thats down to Personal Opinion, it really is Hard to come up with any Evidence to Proof or Disprove such.

The Engineers had Experimented with similar Organisms, the Process of this is OPEN for Debate.  (Alien Engineers offers some insight but is that Canon).

As is the After-Math of the Outbreak, while we can Speculate on the Dead Engineers, it does seem Very Likely that some Organisms had Infected and Chest Busted from the Engineers in Cryo-Sleep...  What Happened to these Organisms is anyone's Guess.

LV-223 is Large, and so if there was some Native Organism the Engineers Experimented on, it would be UNWISE to build your Test Facilities so close to them.... who is to say any Would-Be Organism they Experimented with came from LV-223 also?

We had seen those Worms.... was they Native to LV-223, if NOT then they had been brought to LV-223 prior to the Prometheus and IF there was a Outbreak in the Past, then we cant RULE-OUT if those Worms had been infected in the Past too.

So we really cant tell what became of anything relating to those Experiments on LV-223, they could be Destroyed, they could be Unleashed somewhere or Stored Somewhere or even Roaming Free on LV-223?  We can only Speculate.

What is interesting is the AFTER-MATH of the Outbreak in 2093!

What became of the Deacon?

What became of the Hammerpedes (we saw more than TWO Worms in the Room with the Leaking Urns/Vases

Now this is a little OFF TOPIC... but i guess they are results of the Bio-Weapon, and we on Planet 4 the Dead Engineers are NOT the only result of the Bio-Weapon either.

So a World that has been Infected can Produce some Horrors... beyond Xenomorphs.  The ONE thing we do see from the Xenomorphs is a Natural Instinct for Procreation and so i think its Interesting to Speculate on IF/HOW would the Hammerpede and Deacon Procreate.

What would anyone who Returns to LV-223 Discover?

I think if we are to THROW OUT the Prequels or Especially in regards to  Alien Covenant, then we can Speculate on a bit more...

But Regardless there is Scope for Horrors that are similar to the Xenomorph, and from what i have Studied with the Franchise, i think the Horrors that we have seen have come from a Common Ancestor... where the Pathogen/Creation Tool has been used on something ELSE to Create a whole matter of Horrors of which the Xenomorph is a Eventual Outcome.

It seems obvious that the suits can't protect them. Kane was attacked through his helmet. It seems reasonable that LV-223 was quarentined and abandoned meaning that everyone was dead (in all the complexes).

I also think there should be a hive somewhere on LV-223 with hibernating xenomorphs . . .

Regarding the Derelict.... i think thats a Different Debate, in light of Alien Covenant and we already have had the David did-not Create it Topics.

I will say in Context to that slightly....  the Pathogen in Certain Circumstances can Create Life.   We see that was the case with Dr Shaw and the Trilobite, we see this with the Neomorph's from Alien Covenant.

So when we look at the Juggernaught then indeed we see that 3 of the Engineers in Cryo-sleep had been Infected, they all appear to have Holes around the Chest Area....   We see NO evidence of Face Huggers..... but thats not to say they could not be INSIDE the Cryo-Pod and Obscured from View.  It would be a case of HOW/WHEN would they had been Infected by such Organisms?

However with the Neomorph's it shows us the Pathogen has a way to Infect someone and cause a Organism to Gestate inside, and then Tear itself from inside a Host.. which makes for a more Viable Explanation of the Chest Busted Engineers in Cryo-sleep.

We have to remember at the Time of Prometheus the intention was to Indicate that the Pathogen and Experiments include the Mural are indications of Horrors that likely Pre-Date the Xenomorph.   Back prior to Alien Covenant we had Ridley Scott say that the Derelict was infected by something that had Evolved in the Cargo Hold and go to the Pilot and this Happened within a Few Hundred years of the Outbreak on LV-223 which if we Consider what we was being shown, means that likely the Derelict at that time had something that Evolved in the Cargo Hold after the Outbreak.

So in Context to the Juggernaught then some Organism could have resulted from the Outbreak, if this Happened on the Juggernaught it cant be Ruled out that Similar could Happen to other Cargo Holds.

When we come down to the SURVIVOR... we have to ask was he LUCKY? or did he play some PART in the Outbreak?

The LV-223 Facility is something that still holds a lot of MYSTERY

We do have Janeks Explanation and i think we cant throw that out, as the Dialect in Prometheus i feel is used to Push us to Conclusions...

So we dont really know what Protocols are in Place for any Outbreak, we dont 100% know for How-Long the Engineers have been messing about with the Pathogen on LV-223, all we know is the Facility is likely to have been there for 35'000 Years at least (But we cant 100% be certain it had the same use all that Long ago).

We can not be 100% sure for How-Long they had been Experimenting with Strains that are the same or similar to what we see in Prometheus, but you would EXPECT the Engineers to have some Knowledge and Precautions with the Pathogen.

There appears to be 5 Complexes, these seem to be Positioned apart for a Reason, and if they contain Experiments that differ a little, then keeping them apart is a Good Idea.

Each Complex has Multiple Rooms and Corridors, we know some of the Rooms have Urns/Vases in them and so maybe act as Storage, we have to ASSUME maybe some Rooms are for TESTING.

I would assume the way the Rooms are Sealed Off, that should any Spillage or Outbreak Occurs then they could SEAL OFF a certain area.

I would assume the Space Suits are there as some kind of Bio-Hazard Suit that both Protects the Engineers from Infection but also protects the Pathogen from being Triggered.

Dr Shaw made some comparisons to Ebola, now when we see the Pathogen infect the Engineers on Planet 4 we see that it seems to Infect and Replicate inside of them and then is Expelled from the Host.... if Ebola Caused as Severe Reaction and so it caused Infected to Projectile Vomit Infected Blood for Meters then this would make the Virus Spread Greater.

We did see the Engineers Head Explode in the Lab, but this was maybe a Accelerated Effect, we do see the Dead Engineers Suits appear to be Hollow and we had seen the Sacrificial Engineer break down to SOUP so under certain Circumstances (amount of Pathogen etc) the Goo could cause a Infected person to Spew Out replicated amounts of Pathogen, and in some cases we could see the Body Explode and Spread more of the Stuff into the Air/Water.

All we can do is Speculate, i would assume the Space Jockey Suits would Protect Against Infection, unless the Engineers are infected prior to Suiting Up.  I would also assume that some Environments/Measures can be Maintained in a way that makes the Pathogen In-Active and Finally i would assume that Certain Areas can be SEALED/LOCKED DOWN.

I can see a Accidental Spillage/Outbreak infect a Certain Number of Engineers, but i find it unlikely as to HOW it would get to other Complexes.

There are so Many Mysteries about LV-223 such as it Appears as far as i can remember that 7-8 Engineers managed to get to the Big Head Room before the DOOR came down... what happened to them?  Are they the Numerous Bodies we see in the Corridor?  But they to me look like other Engineers who had also attempted to get to Certain Rooms before LOCK DOWN.

What we do know is there was a OUTBREAK.. it Killed a Number of Engineers, and maybe it Killed them all? 

Maybe ONLY a Certain Number of Engineers came to that Specific Complex at a Specific Time to prepare a MISSION to Earth and these Guys suffered the Outbreak.  So that the Outpost is maybe NOT manned all the Time, the Engineers come in, they Load Up with Pathogen and they Ship Out.

We Certainly have to wonder WHY the Engineers never came back to Secure this Place, or Destroy it.   Or why they never came back to Finish the Job. 

It is likely they decided to Abandon us and leave us to ROT, we are likely NOT the only World with Humanoid Life, and its likely that NOT every such World had Warranted a Eradication Order.

Maybe they appointed some Engineers to Watch over the Complex, is this what the Last Engineer was, or was he just a LUCKY Survivor?

Since the pathogen is highly unstable, and we have Janek's explanation, I would say that it's "human" error. I would also say that "the infection" spread naturally to the other facilities - wiping out everything and everyone, except perhaps one Engineer who made it to a juggernaut (eventually the Derelict).

There still is a mystery about the pilot (on LV-223). Where is he? Were all cryopods occupied or was one empty?

Well we cant be 100% Certain on that..... if this is the case then maybe its ACCIDENTAL.

In Context to LV-223 then i think we cant rule out something Accidentally getting out of Control on LV-223, but looking at LV-223 this is a bit of a PUZZLE and we dont have the Full Facts/Date for example is the Outbreak only Contained to ONE of the Complexes?

For a Outbreak to effect a Single Temple Complex i think could be Accidental, if it Infected more then i would Suspect that its some kind of Deliberate Act/Sabotage.

Looking at Prometheus i would ASSUME the Engineers Space Jockey Suits would act as some kind of Hazmat Suit to protect them from the Pathogen but also to Prevent them from affecting the Pathogen/Room.  As the Big Head Room did seem to have something that kept the Bio-Weapon in Stasis (Preservation of the Head) and the Ampoules.

So my take on the Outbreak would be some kind of SABOTAGE and so Bio-Terrorism.   Regarding COVID-19 then Indeed Labs would study Pathogens and Viruses and that means Potential Accidents can happen.

Well we will have the Release of the STARBEAST Comic from Dark Horse to look forwards too.

Unfortunately if there was anything else Planned for News then the COVID-19 Outbreak would put a lot of stuff on HOLD.  Or Certainly would effect the Schedule of anything ALIEN related that was to be released or announced.  (by Released i am not expecting any News on a Movie).

Apart from wait with Baited Breath for any interesting to be announced....  not too much lol

It seems fitting that the coronavirus might, accidentally, have spread from a laboratory in China, doesn't it?

Reading also has the advantage of always knowing what actors say even if they don't say their line clearly.

I would only use dubbing If I would start a movie as background  noise or if they actors use atrocious Russian accents. I've seen Child 44 dubbed in Hungarian (which is not my native language, neither is Russian) only because Tom Hardy was unbearable, truly horrendous.

hox They did not need to rescan it in 4k or more for making a 4k release. Not even Alien Covenant was finished in 4k and it had one. They could have processed the HD release from 2010 and added HDR to it. Fox never remasters the sound in Atmos or DTS. 

Sorry, I don't know where I heard that story. Looks like it was recorded on film.

If memory serves, Aliens was filmed on low quality videotape. Ironically, much older movies have superb 4K transfers because they were filmed on celluloid. Stretching the Aliens transfer to HD was probably hard enough a technical challenge, let alone 4K.

Sputnik looks interesting, I might check it out.

I really don't know what all the fuss about subtitles, its never been an issue for me. Where I live, almost everything on TV is subtitled, from foreign TV shows to foreign movies, and it's not an issue. The only things that are dubbed are some cartoons for kids.

@dk well if done correctly 4k restorations of 4k 70s and 80s movies look and sound extraordinary.  It might have a lesser impact if you saw a movie a hundred times.

You must take into account that the average period between Alien movies (taken into account the 2 AvPs) is somewhere around 5 and a half years, with the biggest gap of 7 years between the original and Aliens, and least was approximately 3 years between the AvPs. What is happening conforms to the pattern, as now we are approaching the 3 year anniversary of AC. 

Aliens 4k has nothing new to offer from Aliens on DVD imo. I hate to see it become a time to sell slick looking shoes, but whatever. Maybe the Beast really is cooked with an apple inits mouth.

It is possible that they will release Aliens on 4k, as the Reebok stuff is Aliens oriented.

We should just continue to have fun here. We can always watch the IGN shorts from the last Alien Day. 

I hope we get new information about AVP anime. Maybe a surprise is coming...

Chris I suppose. I would love a dubbed version though. I find it easier to adjust since I never focus on people's mouths. Gantz 0 did a really good job with dubbing. I wouldn't have watched it if it only had subtitles.

@dk, I find your brain adjusts to the subtitles after like 15 mins. I had to read the English subtitles when watching Parasite (good movie btw) and I only found it annoying at the beginning. By the end of the film I didn't even notice I wasn't watching a movie in a foreign language!

In Soviet Russia, human baby burst out of alien!

wait, the alien still comes out of the human? dang it.

But for real it does look pretty cool. The alien looks interesting. It's nice to see movies from foreign countries and how they see things.

BigDave "PS I apologize for taking this OFF TOPIC." Do you have anything better to do till Alien day 2020?