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It does seem inspired by the Alien prequels. From the trailer, it will probably play out better as a horror movie- no doubt it will play off the fears of drowning and claustrophobia.

It is the darkest and grittiest version I have seen. It even gets a little uncomfortable at points. It was well worth the ride imo. I will buy the DVD if they release it.

Nice Images ;)

Does show our Xenomorph and Neomorphs from AC dont have a Exo-Skeleton look to them, but Internal Skeleton.

I am not sure we would explore the Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic as far as the Derelict/Space Jockey.

None of the other Movies in the Original Franchise really went back after ALIEN (Aliens Extra Scene slightly).

I think DISNEY would just concentrate on the Xenomorph alone, but i am not sure they would SWAY to FAR from how it has been Portrayed in a Majority of the Movies, Games, Novels and Comics.

And so they would look like the Various NECA Xenomorphs (not inc anything from Prequels) and so i dont Expect anything thats Vastly Different like the Neomorph and Deacon were.

More chance we get Normal Xenomorphs with slight differences and Colors

". By Engineers I mean similar to those in Prometheus, not in Covenant because they looked less impressive in AC. I would like to see more about their culture, their science, religion, warfare and their connection to the monsters"

I think discovering some of these things would be Interesting but i dont think we can IGNORE the Planet 4 Engineers, i think we have to EXPLORE as to WHY they looked different.

I think the Prometheus Engineers are more like the Replicants were, and so a Hubris Tale about how those Engineers either Created a Sub-Creation to Carry Out Tasks... or that another Group of Engineers had Evolved themselves..

I think either such ARC could be how to expand on the Engineers.

We can also see that our FUTURE is to Carry Out the same Hubris in the Creation of David, or IF some Humans would Genetically Engineer themselves as a Super-Human Race.

In either case then Mankind would be seen as Inferior and a PLOT by these Genetically Engineered Humans or AWOL Synthetics could be a likely Outcome...

And so maybe the same Happened between those LV-223 Engineers and the ones on Planet 4?

If we look at David's Story... i think this would and should be CLOSE to the STORY of the LV-223 Engineers.

LV-223 Engineers Rebel, and they TRY and Create something NEW that is NOT in the Image of their Inferior Creators who they may find a Mockery..   The LV-223 Experiments are BORN!

The same Process happens to David, and he takes the Engineers Experiments to Further Create something that is NOT in the image of his Creator... and the Planet 4 Experiments are BORN!

The Hierarchy of the Engineers Return, they Discover how Mankind had Created a Superior Being.. (David) and how this Superior Being had Created a more Superior Destroyer (Xenomorph)

And this incoming Species (or LV-223 Type Engineers) then decide to Create a Amalgamation of David and his Xenomorph.... on LV-223

But someone ATTEMPTS to Prevent this and DESTROYS LV-223 but ONE Ship manages to Escape but the Destruction of LV-223 Creates a Temporary Tear in Space/Time that sends this SHIP to Crash on LV-426 some Thousands of Years ago.

I feel thats the BEST way to Take the Engineers and PLOT now...

We can have another Movie SET after Alien 3 or Alien R where some Humans will END-UP on another Very Very Distant Engineer/Space Jockey World to Expand on them more.

I dont think some Fans would want this, and i dont think Disney would bother... they would rather have Revelations that the Xenomorph is a Ancient Parasitic Egg Laying Organism the Space Jockey Discovered...

And it will be about QUEENS and EGGS and Marines.

I would say the Engineers are DEAD!

"This could be interesting to see but it would have to need the human journey at the center of the movie"

This is the BIG PROBLEM they Faced with the WHOLE Plot as far as WHO the Space Jockey are...

If the Space Jockey were a ALIEN Species, who looked NOTHING like Humans, then what we have to then look at is the Following...

*How does any Humans end up in Contact with these Alien Beings, by pure Coincidence and LV-426 or a Next Door Moon?  As to be lead by the Space Jockey SOS would just be a ALIEN re-hash of sorts.

*How do the Humans Interact with these beings, would a Alien Species who has NO distant contact with Mankind even be able to Communicate, would they want to?

*How would we discover what the Agenda of the Space Jockey Race was, and WHY they had the Cargo and WHERE was they taking it?

Because then a Sequel would take us where? To this Alien Species Home World?, to the Species they intended to USE the EGGS on?  Or to the World the Eggs came from?

I guess we never needed to see Xenomorphs Talk to Humans and so maybe the Space Jockey would have NO-NEED either and have even Less Interaction than the SUPER-PREDATOR did from The Predator!

They came up with the Engineers Plot so at least there is a Connection, a Reason for HOW/WHY any Humans would come into Contact with a World/Race related to the Derelict.  And have some way of Communication.

With the SEQUEL... they then Faced another Problem...

HOW would any Engineers React towards Dr Shaw and David and then HOW do they introduce more Human Characters...

The Alien Covenant PLOT got around this.... it should have given more Information about the Engineers, and revealed that David had Created a Improved Xenomorph with some Clues to HOW the Original was obtained..

But ALAS!

I think that was a Dilemma they Faced with a Prometheus 2.

*David and Dr Shaw arrive at the Engineers Home World.

*Are these Engineers going to be welcoming them open Arms?

*Dr Shaw would be willing to take that Chance, but David would wanted to SURVIVE and if he had any SINGLE doubt that the Engineers would RIP his Head Off, then i feel he would have NOT taken that Chance.

So it was LIKELY he was going to BOMB! them...

We could have had some Survivors, we could have had Dr Shaw kept Alive and she would ASK what Happened and David maybe lies to her..... UNTIL she discovers the Truth and maybe a Survivor to TWO...

Something Similar could have Happened but we are just NOT shown this Period of Events that Transpired in the Weeks/Months following the Bombardment.

I just feel that MOST Fans would not want to see much about the Culture as far as Ancient History, but would rather see about their Bio-Mechanical Technology and HOW/WHEN they obtained this, and WHAT connection they had with LV-223 and those Ships...

Well they could attempt to FIX her Character rather than PULL THE PLUG like they did with Dr Shaw... they would have to ask HOW does she play a PART in a Sequel, what are the Plans and Screen Time.

The only way that would work and NOT be a Conflict to David's Plans would be if he KEEPS her some Place, while he CHARADES around as Walter to the other Colonist.

And a Escaping Daniels or a discovery is when David's Charade is UP....then he has to RESORT to Extreme Measures to Clean Up the Mess.... or Silence those who Discover his Secret before they can Inform everyone else.

Otherwise she would have to be KILLED OFF or we have a Movie that Revolves around Daniels and David... which is the same Dilemma they faced with a Movie about David and Dr Shaw.

I dont think either would appeal to the Fans and so as i have said a number of Times we are better off getting a Sequel that would BY-PASS what David does between leaving Planet 4 and when another group of Humans would be arriving at Origae-6.. 

Much like how Alien Covenant had BYPASSED what happened since Dr Shaw and David had left LV-223 until the Arrival of the Covenant Ship.

The Problem we have could be a Repeat of Alien Covenant, in that we would KILL OFF a Main Character Off-Screen (Dr Shaw/Daniels).  And then to not Expand on the Persons Responsible for Horrors of the previous Movie (Engineers/David respectfully).

So then your introducing a NEW set of Characters who will arrive at say Origae-6 and discover Horrors and Davids Life-less Body.... so he gets  a Cameo like Bishop did in Alien 3.

Its then a case of HOW MANY of these New characters Survive the Next Installment, and do they make it to another Movie and HOW MANY more Movies until we get to ALIEN?

This is WHY they are in a Pickle at the Moment.... and i dont think we would get any Conclusion... more chance of a REBOOT in 2029

I'm pretty sure the newborn neomorph that erupted from Hallet's mouth had semi-transparent skin, it's just hardly visible because of the blood.

However, I didn't notice any transparency in the newborn neomorph that erupted from Ledward's back. It had pale skin. Idk is it because of the lighting in the room?

The Chestburster had transparent skin, its bones and organs were visible.

You can also tell by the odd studio practical puppets.

Indeed the Intention appeared to be something more Transparent but that was not possible with  the Technology/Effects back in late 70's

Good Point regarding the Deacon as this had a Darker Pigment than the Neomorph.

Some of the Experiments in David's Workshop had a Pale/Fleshy Look, like the Neomorph but others had that Greyish look that the Hammerpedes had.

The Adult Neomorph did have a Darker/Greyish Pigment than when it was Newborn, and so as the Organisms Age maybe Pigment Changes?

However the Xenomorph Chest Buster in AC and Deacon in Prometheus had a Darker Pigment than the Neomorph Newborns and Xenomorph Chest Buster from ALIEN at least.

So all we can do is Speculate... its likely those who worked on the Project never had any Reason to any differences.

I will have to check it out, thanks for the Share...

Hope Everyone had a Very Good Holiday Period ;)

I think there is a lot we can Speculate about... it really depends on what Evidence we use....  I think we have to remember that Ridley Scott should be the Biggest Source of Information, and also the Theatrical Cut..... which he claims is his Directors Cut..

By that i mean RS intended to portray the Engineers on LV-223 as Aggressive SOB's who had Created Evil Bacterial Drums of $"%£ has he puts it... 

So we also then have to Consider what David had said, which was these Engineers had intended to go to Earth, before things went to POT!

We know those Dead Engineers had been gone for 2000 Years give or take, we can assume from David and also what RS had said that they was in the Process of Preparing to Unleash the Black Goo on Earth (at very least) before things THEN WENT TO POT.

The Juggernaught Engineer Scene we then have to assume took place before the Outbreak...

The Scene seemed to Indicate the Engineers at this point were very CALM... there was NO signs of Panic or Danger. We see that TWO Engineers arrive to the LEFT of David, and then TWO more to the RIGHT...  the other Engineers appear to spend most their Time touching the Cryo-Pods, so they must be setting them Ready to be Occupied.

The ONE Engineer (Survivor) instead is in the Command Seat, and operates/activates the Orrery Map and he appears to be Calm, we do see another Engineer looking at the Orrery Map and Pointing at certain things in the Map.  It appears they TARGET Earth, but we ant rule out if the Ship has Multiple Destinations.  Unless that other Engineer is the ONE who at that point Selected the Destination?

We can assume the Last Engineer who was in the Control Chair was the LAST of the Engineers to enter Cryo-sleep, and it seems those Engineers are NOT aware they are Infected, or any signs of being in a Rush or Panic and so at this POINT there is NO OUTBREAK.

We can only ASSUME that Engineer would be the one to ACTIVATE the Pilot Chair to take off.. and have to ask WHY the Ship never took off?

Surely the Process would have been to Activate the Pilot Chair, Activate the Hanger Doors and then Pilot the Juggernaught into Space and then go into Cryo-Sleep until they arrive at their Targeted Worlds...

So there is a lot of Mystery that we can only Speculate on.

*The Ship could have came from some place else and then DOCKED on LV-223, but it would seem if so it was in the Hanger for a While and not just a Case of a Quick STOP OFF..

*We Cant rule out that if the Ship had docked on LV-223 for a Number of Hours or Days, that something had got on the Ship or Contaminated the Cargo Hold). But if we go for the above TWO points, then WHY would a Ship arrive with some Cargo Left, and then Top-Up the Cargo?

*So it would be more likely that the Ship either Arrived and Docked or was already Docked for Weeks/Months, while the Cargo was being Loaded to the Ship.  The Engineers then began to Enter the Ship and SET-UP the Mission, its Destination, the Cryo-Pods and then 3 of the Engineers had Entered the Cryo-Pods...

BEFORE THINGS WENT TO POT!

We can then only Speculate a Few Things...

1) During the Final Process of Launching the Mission, the Last Engineer detected something was WRONG... and he had Entered Cryo-Sleep...  But then WHY did he Survive, and IF he detected something was Wrong with the Cargo, then WHY was the SHIP not Quarantined so the Outbreak is Confined to that SHIP?

2) During the Final Process of Launching the Mission their was a OUTBREAK on LV-223 in the Outpost and the SHIPS where put on LOCK-DOWN.  But then we have to ask was the Last Engineer just LUCKY? and HOW would the Outbreak have infected the other Engineers if the OUTPOST was put on Lock Down?

So to me it looks like some kind of Sabotage has to be the Best Explanation Still.... the Extra Scenes may support this... but to Ignore them.... then maybe some Sabotage could have Happened prior to the Engineers making their way to the Ships....

Our Last Engineer either being in on the ACT... or he was just Lucky to Not have been Infected...

Looking at how CALM those Engineers were, and if we assume ONCE they had Set-Up the Cryo-Pods, then about Few Hours or Less after the Hologram Scene they surely should have DEPARTED on their Mission.

So then we have to look at HOW can Engineers be Infected but be Unaware and also something that would not be a INSTANT infection, well no Symptoms for a Few Hours.

The ONLY thing we have seen similar would be Holloways Infection.  Which to Infect a lot of Engineers in this way without their knowledge looks more like a Sabotage rather than a Accidental Outbreak.

Either way something on a Smaller Scale like Holloways Infection where a small Part of the Substance infects a Water or Air Supply could well be the likely Culprit.

To me it is about the interest of something that I do not understand. Combine this with violence and terror and it becomes a horror movie so this is why I watch the Alien movies (why the first three work for me). DK has a point that it is about experience it from a safe distance. Unfortunately the prequels have removed some of the mystery from it, which is another reason why they have mostly failed even though we can try to ignore them. Both the monster, and the human characters got to work.

Sorry for bumping this thread but I have not been here for a while. I am not very interested in Daniels since I never understood what her personality was. Maybe she did not get enough screen-time or she was not well-written.

Maybe she could be in it by have a smaller role compared to Covenant because killing off the main character two movies in a row would seem bad I think even though she is not that great.

"If David would try and PASS OFF as our Friendly Walter, to the Colonist and Tennessee then Daniels would be a Thorn in Davids Side... as she would Reveal who he is!"

Yeah but that is assuming that the movie would be all about David, and I do not want that, not one bit. They tried that in AC and look where that got us. The franchise is almost sinking because of it. Even the shorts if we take them for what they are, are better than Covenant.

Hopefully they will go back to the more Giger-inspired if they will do another Alien-movie. Unfortunately it looked like another stone-based architecture in AC, it looked boring. I would like for them to go back to the bio-mechanical style or at least something similar.

The ambiguity/alien-ness of it is very interesting and also kind of needed I think. Alien is something. . . err, alien/unknown so they need to keep that and not over-explain things. Not sure about how it will be now with Disney though.

That could have been interesting but I am not very sure if it would have been an interesting movie. I wish that they would have been more like those in Prometheus, they were just better.

Maybe it would have been better if David would not have bombed the Engineers but then what to replace it with and also how to keep it Alien? I mean Alien as in the feeling as the first three movies. There could have been a way to do that but I am not sure how.

An Engineer society could have been interesting to see. Unfortunately Alien Covenant removed any chance to get more information about their society, that would have been awesome to see.

Shaw could have worked if she would have been written better. I say this with how the characters in AC came across, if they would have gotten Shaw right then there would have another character to give a damn about because they were too few in AC.

I can imagine that the Engineers would be concerned about mankind and do what the Engineer in Prometheus would do. This could be interesting to see but it would have to need the human journey at the center of the movie.

It would be bad if the Engineer thing is killed off, that was one of the things that Prometheus did right. Unfortunately they were removed from AC apart from that short scene it the beginning. Hopefully Disney will not take this as the important thing is the Xeno, that would be a mistake.

Keep the Engineers, improve the characters, and keep a clearer tie to Alien compared to what Prometheus did. By Engineers I mean similar to those in Prometheus, not in Covenant because they looked less impressive in AC. I would like to see more about their culture, their science, religion, warfare and their connection to the monsters. Throw Alien Covenant in the trash-can and start from Prometheus is a possibility.

Not interested in a re-boot of the Alien movies. Maybe make something that is tied to the company in some way. An Engineer spin-off could be interesting. Remove the android angle because that is boooring, at least if it would be like it is now with no human characters to care about.

As long as they do not get the human characters right it will be dead to me but of course the story must be interesting too. I recently re-watched Alien 3 and I really like it, that was the last time that they did many human characters right. Even those that do not have big parts in it do their best to get it right. Hell even those that had small parts in Alien 3 made a better job than most of those in Prometheus and Covenant. Keep Scott far from the writing because that is not what he is good at. The humans and their journey and what they go through is what the whole franchise is about to me, not the Xenos or the Engineers.

Why can't they make characters that are at least close to the first three? Something is wrong about the characters in the prequels but I am not sure why. There has to be someone out there that can write the characters so they are at least somewhat relatable because we have not had that in this franchise for so long and that is why the prequels have failed this far, despite that they are good visually and that they have interesting themes but that is not enough for me.

The Xenos is not what it should be about but at least they should not be done by David, that he was responsible for the original version. Having him as the creator sucks and is one of the biggest mistakes that they have done in the prequels.

Having another queen is boring, it is good that the prequels have avoided that. The goo is interesting and I would rather have that than another movie where we see another queen that has been done to death if you ask me. As flawed as AC is at least they tried the spores which was interesting.

Please do not make a movie that retcons Alien 3, Alien Resurrection is another thing though.

It is either Xmas or past depending where you live. Guy Pearce and the cast delivered the goods on this one. It is long but deep and rich with a great story and memorable characters. It also works as a non holiday movie. Good stuff.

There are dialogue parts to bicker about whether they are nods to David or Prometheus if you dig deep.

We are told by Ash that the face hugger has a habit of replacing its outer layers with polarised silicon, a dark metallic element. The chestburster apparently goes through a similar process, since it wasn't black when it leaped out of Kane's body.

Why it would do this is anyone's guess, but maybe the silicon adds considerable to the strength of the Alien's exoskeleton. Maybe a result of David's tinkering?

Inherited Traits?

There was definitely a significant change from the Neomorph to the Protomorph in color when compared. 

The Deacon on LV-223 was also different (unique) in regards to comparison to it's Xenomorph counterparts.

I suppose it's possible that the juggernaut landed on auto-pilot and that they never got out of the cryo-pods? They were attacked by something from the cargo hold before they landed and this spread to the other Engineers on LV-223? Or something from LV-223 attacked them before they had time to exit the cryo-pods?

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Yeah, the main thing was the visual. Giger was undoubtedly inspired by images such as this one of Percival Lowell scanning the heavens...

I think that is a Good Point...

I think it depends on HOW we look at the Movie/Engineer maybe he decided or was Tasked to Wait just in case anyone Turns up?

If we go by the Theatrical Cut then the likely Answer is he was just Lucky to not be Infected, and he either Forgot to set his Wake-Up Alarm or it Failed... or he Choosed to Stay behind in case any comes back..

I find that last point unlikely, as if his ONLY intention was to Destroy us, then he surely would have Carried this out at some Other point... so i would say in this case when he went into Cryo-Sleep he had OVERSLEPT ;)

Indeed it does seem their Ships are more Manually Controlled but would have a Auto-Pilot of Sorts.

Certainly that is the Conclusion that i arrive at, it appears that its NOT required once the Juggernaught is in Space and has a Destination Set, but it is required to Take Off/Land and so it acts like the Landing Gear on a Plane... so ONCE the Ship is in Orbit the Pilot Chair can Retract back into Floor.

I would say for this Purpose there was NO real need for the Telescopic look of the Device, if say has a set of Controls and some Screen or other way to Communicate Visually with the Pilot.

Looks really COOL though... Epic Set Piece.

Like some of the Detail given by some of you Guys, MonsterZero, Hox and Ingeniero ;)

Certainly that is the conclusion that i arrive at, it appears that its NOT required once the Juggernaught is in Space and has a Destination Set, but it is required to Take Off/Land and so it acts like the Landing Gear on a Plane... so ONCE the Ship is in Oribit the Pilot Chair can Retract back into Floor.

The below video slows down to give us a look at the Orrery and it's components.  I hope that this assists in the above, very impressive discussion.

The Orrery

The apparent glass beads at the top of the Orrery are shown below from the outside and inside.  

The supporting structures connected to the ring above this transparent ceiling can be seen in both images below as well. 

A Double Helix

Additional Angles

I'm guessing it's an X-ray pulsar navigation device.

The Galaxy is littered with pulsars (spinning neutron stars that emit X-rays) and each one has a characteristic frequency, up to several hundred rotations per second.

It is estimated that such a device could pin down its location anywhere in the Galaxy to within a few kilometres.

The 'telescope' could point in an arbitrary direction, which is just as well, since the one on the pilot chair would be of little use as an optical device.

Symbolic? When aligned correctly,it shows the true path.

Used to guide the pilot in quantum separation?

It monitors the pilot and sends the data to the empire?

It focuses/channels the aura of the universe into the pilot.

alien, unknowable, bizarre tech.

Well, it seems obvious that the pilot chair is for piloting. You need to start her up, get her airborne, plot a route on the star map, and off you go. Then it's bedtime. :)

If “our” Engineer is the last man standing, why does he decide to take a nap in the cryo-pod and lie there like Sleeping Beauty? He has succeeded in preventing a holocaust so why doesn’t he leave that horrible place and travel back to his homeworld (or somewhere else)?

Also, the juggernauts don't seem to have a "Mother" controlling the ship so they have to be woken manually? That's why our Engineer's been snoozing there for 2000 years?

The Engineer climbs into it in order to take off - the pilot chair is for piloting.

Now that you mention it, it looks like an upside down phallus.

It obviously has a viewer for the pilot and the longer part could be a sensory/navigation array of sorts. I never saw any evidence it was a weapon of any kind.

I think trying to kind of get back to the OT

And try and see how the Prequels Connect really depends on how you take Alien Covenant or Interpret it.  Prometheus likewise but this Movie seemed to over NO Contradictions to the Possibility of the AGE of the Eggs on the Derelict... while not Concluding they was Ancient However.

Prior to Alien Covenant it was quite clear to see there was a Connection between LV-223 (Experiments and Black Goo)  and the Xenomorph (more so with Deleted Material and Concept Work).

What we could Conclude or Speculate to a Logical Conclusion was that the Xenomorph was something that either was the PRECURSOR to those Experiments/Black Goo on LV-223 or that they were the PRECURSOR to the Xenomorph.

It could have been a Mystery and we could then have TWO Logical Conclusions....  

*Xenomorph was Discovered by the Engineers, and this lead to the Experiments on them to Create the Horrors on LV-223

*The Xenomorph was a Eventual Result of the Experiments that was Conducted on LV-223, be that a Engineered/Designed Result or a Unintentional One.

And thats the WAY they should have left it...

I wont bring Alien Covenant much into this, as this debate had been covered a lot.. In a Nutshell it seems to Indicate that the Pathogen and Neomorphs were used to Create Various Experiments until David had achieved his Perfection.

Prior to Alien Covenant... then what David had done but these kinds of Experiments by Engineers could be the more Likely Origin of the Xenomorph going back prior to Alien Covenant.

Back to the OT...

Then indeed the Engineers could have used this Black Goo as a Bio-Weapon... back prior to Alien Covenant we could speculate did they Engineer Xenomorphs to be used as a Bio-Weapon too? or was they a Accidental Creation (maybe like Neomorphs).

The Company does have a Interest in using the Xenomorph also for its Bio-Weapons Department.

I think if we look more into the Black Goo and Experiments, than the Xenomorph....

I have said this prior, i DONT think they Needed the Black Goo, not as a Weapon... and Especially if we consider the Engineers are Genetic Gardeners of the Galaxy and Creation is their Main Purpose..

I feel dropping down the Sacrificial Goo or if its the SAME stuff but Programed Differently then using it as it was in the Sacrificial Scene makes more Sense as FAR as a RESET Switch Bio-Weapon.

Such a Weapon could Worse/Long Case just Reset a Planet back to Similar Point to what it was when the Engineers First Began their First Seeding via Sacrificial Scene...

so there is a more SINISTER Agenda going on LV-223 than merely having something they can USE to CLEAN A WORLD... and START AGAIN...

I suspect the Juggernauts from Inception were never Originally Intended to be used as a War Machine to bring to a World Evil Horrors like Neomorphs, Deacons and Xenomorphs..

I dont buy that LV-223 was a Place of Horrific Experiments as far back as 35'000 Years ago..

something CHANGED... something made those on LV-223 begin to Create Something Else.... something Horrific for Some Reason...

When i Consider TWO things....

1) Ridley Scott said the Engineers on Planet 4 are the Originals... and i look into the Paradise Lost/Fallen Angels Context of that and Consider Mankind/David.

2) I Consider your other Topic about Genetic Memory/Sin (Kanes Son) and i Consider the Topic i made about Engineers wanting to Transcend themselves (Verge of Godhead) and i look at Ripley 8

I think maybe we could Speculate at a Reason why those Engineers had Experimented on what they had on LV-223

Sorry if this is a bit Off Topic though.

Certainly is Chli ;)

The thing with the Pilot is we don't really know if the Ship needs one as such.... Maybe only as FAR as to get the Ship into Orbit, and to Land the Ship.  Also maybe more than ONE of the Engineers could FLY the Ship, otherwise our Surviving Engineer is the Designated Pilot, but in the Hologram Scene there was another Engineer who Entered who was Holding a Space Jockey Helmet, however the Pilot Chair has its own Helmet so that does-not indicate this other Engineer was tasked with Piloting the Ship.

The Question Regarding the Surviving Engineer and WHY he seemed to be the ONLY one is a Interesting Subject that had been discussed a few Times....

With the Intentions of Ridley Scott it appeared he was just LUCKY!

However....... IF we take into account the Deleted Scenes then they PAINT a different Picture of the Engineer, especially the look on his FACE to Dr Shaw and her Questions, and then the Wonder on the Engineers Face when he had seen the Violin Girl and the Interest in the Books he saw on the Life-Boat...

He seemed very Impressed at HOW-FAR we had come since they had Abandoned us... (after the Outbreak)

So if we look at those EXTRA Scenes and Consider the Possibility that some Engineers felt that we did-not need to be DESTROYED..... and we look at the Plot that they must have Invested a lot of Effort and Time in Mankind, and that its indicated they Taught us MOST of what we knew at that Time... (2000+ Years ago).   Then some Engineers could feel that if they INSTEAD just abandoned us then we would NEVER be able to Advance Further than the Level we was at 2000 Years ago, we would NEVER be able to Build Ships and Travel the Stars....  What a Hubris and how Naive that was..... Arrogant of them too.

So maybe some... decided to Abandon that Horrific Place that was LV-223 and to also Abandon Mankind on Earth.... if they have Seeded Other Worlds, then we are just ONE BAD let say Apple Tree and as long as this Bad Apple Tree cant affect the others in your Orchard then you just leave it to ROT rather than to bother to CUT it down.

So IF some Engineers felt that the Mission to Destroy us was WRONG..... then we ask HOW could they Prevent it?

SABOTAGE comes to Mind....

If your still with me so far.... and we consider this... then asking HOW the Outbreak Happened, and WHY they all seemed to FALL Victim apart from the ONE.. would make Clear Sense Now ;)

Lets just think for a Second on the Prometheus, if David wanted to Sabotage all the Humans on the Ship, then a Easy and Concealed Way would be to... be a Very Naughty Bar Man....  by that he could SPIKE everyone's Drink...  "Enjoying your Vodka Miss Vickers" 

And so maybe something similar would be a WAY to Infect a lot of Fellow Engineers without them knowing....

IF we consider the Deleted Scenes etc... the Engineer Still went POSTAL.... but we could see that maybe this was because he Realized that Mankind had managed to Advance to the Level to not only Reach Space but to also Find their Outpost, and have Created a Being that can use the Engineer Technology...

Right there we are a THREAT... and after he saw how Selfish Weyland was Acting... he would have had NO Choice but to Carry Out the Destruction of Earth as we could Potentially NOW be a THREAT to the Engineers and Worlds they had Seeded.  And by looking at Weyland he would see that a lot of Mankind are Wicked, Selfish and Arrogant..... we really had NOT changed for the Good.

Thats my Interpretation of the Last Engineer, and then how if we consider Sabotage then the Outbreak makes Sense...

But by ONLY Considering the Theatrical Cut then this Theory/Explanation does not have the LEGS really.

The four Engineers (three of them dead) in the cryo-pods is definitely a mystery. Since they were tucked in, why didn’t they take off? One interesting thing is that the cockpit isn’t raised. Where’s the pilot? Dead and gone?

Perhaps the outbreak happened because someone wanted to stop them from eradicating mankind? There were Engineers who thought that mankind should have a second chance? Therefore, the juggernaut never took off. The pilot and everybody else died?

Miraculously, the pathogen or the mutations resulting from it didn’t reach the last Engineer? He slept on and nobody awakened him until the Prometheus expedition arrived.

The actual Space Jockey is a Different Story.

Prior to the Prequels it was indicated he was infected by a Egg from the Cargo Hold.

We saw NO such thing in Prometheus, NO Eggs or Xenomorphs, but we don't know if they had been in other Complexes, or in a Cargo Hold as we was not SHOWN anything like that.

Ridley Scott had came out and EXPLAINED what happened though.... he had said the Following.

*The Even is Connected to LV-223

*The Pilot had became Infected with his Cargo, going FURTHER in a latter comment to say Something Evolved in the Cargo Hold.

*The Derelict did-not crash, its indicated the Pilot had intended to Land where he had. (To Quarantine the Cargo).

*The event happened within a FEW HUNDRED Years of the Outbreak on LV-223 and so 1800-2200 Ball Park give or take up to another 100 Years.

To me this indicates that the Outbreak happened, and the Space Jockey had gone into Cryo-Sleep (maybe or he arrived at LV-223 at some point) but that the Ships Cargo Hold (Derelict) something had Evolved some Few Hundred Years after the Outbreak and the Pilot had came to Investigate and was Infected, and then he had left LV-223 for some reason and then Quarantined the Cargo on LV-426.

But we never got to see this on Screen or maybe would also NEVER had and RS was kind of Vague.

Ridley Scotts comments though seem to imply maybe the SHIP never Originally had Egg Cargo, but then we can ask HOW do the Urns become Eggs?

In Alien Covenant we was shown the URNS can be reduced to NOTHING or so it seemed (Exploded) if similar Happened, could it have infected something that grew in the Cargo Hold to Evolve into Eggs?  We see the Neomorph Spores had Evolved from Mold/Fungi or so we can Assume.

But then we got Alien Covenant which Potentially means none of that Applies anymore. (Eggs being on the Derelict prior to Prometheus).

You raise a number of interesting points...

This image i did a while back, shows that it seems intended that the Rooms have more than ONE way IN/OUT

Regarding the Engineers then a number did make it into the Big Head Room, where they went from there is anyone's Guess..... was any Infected is again anyone's Guess... and the same is with where did they GO next?

The Pile of Dead Engineers likely were trying to get into one of the Rooms, we can Speculate if these Rooms provided Sanctuary from the Infection Spreading, we can only assume if they was Infected or had been Attacked by something that was Infected or a kind of MORPH.

I think we can SAFELY assume that the Pile of Dead Bodies Engineers had occurred after the Hologram Scene of the Engineers running to the Big Head Room, and that the Doors Automatically Locked Down...... i think its likely that the Hologram Scene in Question shows us a Period of Time just as or shortly after the Outbreak had began.

When it comes to the other Hologram Scene on the Juggernaught these Engineers seemed Calm.  The images i shared in my Previous Post would indicate at first they was Calm, but then we see them Running for some Reason.

I can only Speculate but i think these leaves these few Likely Scenarios.

*This Scene shows the Engineers prior to the Outbreak, the Unseen Shots (that i posted before) would seem to indicate they Panicked during or shortly after the Outbreak.  As they attempted to get into Cryo-sleep.

Could they had been the ONES to bring the Infection aboard the Outpost?

*If this scene was After the Outbreak then this could imply these Engineers were a Clean Up Team, or maybe they had something to do with the Outbreak.... some kind of Sabotage/Terror Act.

I will add that indeed the Cryo-sleep Pods may-not have Prevented a Chest Busting...  but maybe this depends on HOW-FAR has the Process gone?

If we ASSUME they had been Face Hugged, this could explain the Panic and Running to the Cryo-Pods Shots... this HOWEVER would mean they went about their Business Calmly then Encountered something and got Face Hugged, Passed Out and Awoke and then in a Panic they Headed to the Cryo-Pods... but would they NOT have set off some Warning?  Was this Ship Docked at this Time... we have to ASSUME so.

If they knew what was to Happen Next, and there was no way to Prevent it would they NOT have had a way to KILL themselves and Prevent the Inevitable?  From Spaights draft it seemed NOT and so they just go into Cryo-Stasis.

Was they Infected WITHOUT their Knowledge, something in the Air, Food or Water they maybe came into contact with, and could the Chest Busting be something similar to a Neomorph event?

Or maybe a Infected Worm or something else got into the Cryo-Pod with out their Knowledge and Grew and Infected them while inside?   Maybe this is Unlikely.

Or could they had come into contact with Hammerpedes and been Infected (Face Raped) and they then attempted after to Escape to the Cryo-Pods?   However a similar thing Happened to Milburn and it Killed Him so this is maybe Unlikely.

The Actual Engineer Props seem to be Chest Busted more Violent and Larger than a Xenomorph Chest Buster but NOT quite as Large as a Deacon Chest Buster (well from a Trilobite at least).

However the HOLE in the Cryo-Pod Cover is outwards and so that means something came from Inside and its Size would be Larger in Proportion than a Xenomorph Chest Buster but Smaller than the Deacon.

Something Neomorph Birth Size would be about Right.

I think we can only Wonder for what reason the Space Jockey Suit has.... The Juggernaught had a similar Suit, and YET we know that Dr Shaw survived in Space on a Juggernaught for some time with NO NEED for any Helmet/Mask and so that means the Ships Sustain Oxygen while they are in Space.

I would say a Space Jockey Suit may-not protect from a Face Hugger, or Hammerpede or a Trilobite.

But i would assume it would prevent other Contamination from the Black Goo, or like Neomorph Spores.  If this assumption is Correct it gives a Good Reason for those Suits, but then it means any Infection would be while they was not wearing them or the Helmet..

Or the Breathing Apparatus/Tank was Infected (Sabotage?)

The Head Room must have another exit leading to the huge underground room where the juggernaut is parked (the hangar)? The two Engineers we see entering the Head Room made it to the juggernaut?

In the other hologram, we see two more Engineers entering the Juggernaut from another entrance and they hail each other. Did the other two Engineers make it through the other door (which Fifield and Millburn found)? The heap of dead Engineers outside didn’t make it in time?

It would seem that three of the four Engineers who made it to the juggernaut were already infected? It would seem that they were chestbusted (which would mean that a chestburster isn’t affected by the cryosleep chamber but can continue its work . . .)? The fourth Engineer wasn’t infected otherwise he would be chestbusted as well?

Also, IF the Space Jockey came from LV-223 he must have left during or before the outbreak (not some time after) meaning that the Space Jockey is 2000 years old - or more.

The Engineers are just an enhanced version of humans (the same DNA) so I suppose they would have the same problems as humans in space (they would perhaps endure certain conditions a bit longer).

It’s possible that a bio-suit is needed when dealing with the ampoules. It would seem that they reacted to the human presence which would fit well with how an egg/facehugger would react when a living creature is close by.

A Vacuum  is a possible Explanation also.

The Place seemed to Support Oxygen etc, we can only wonder if the Ampoule Room sustained that Environment or it was a Vacuum like Space, hence maybe the Need for the Suits. The Engineers could survive outside on LV-223 without any Masks, Certainly for a Short Period of Time if we go by the Scenes that never made it to the CUT.

We have to assume those Suits are some kind of Bio-Hazard Suit, that either Protect a Environment from the Engineers Respiratory Contamination (CO2 etc) or it Protects  them from the Pathogen or BOTH.

Would the Room had been affected if the Prometheus Crew had kept their Helmets on? We can only Speculate.

There Certainly was a Reason the Head had remained in Good Preservation, also a Reason why either the Opening of the Door, or the Human Crew with No Helmets had Affected the Environment and thus the Ampoules and Fresco.

And we can only  Speculate if the Engineers were attempting to get to such a Room for a Reason.

The mention of the Skin that Milburn Found is interesting, but also was the First Alien deleted scene with those other Organisms/Worms that looked Different that they Collected.

Again their is a lot of Ambiguity and so IF we consider that Scene of the Shredded Skin, it could be that it was there before the Prometheus Crew Arrived... but then it also could be from the Infected Worms after the Room was Contaminated and the Shredding of Skin is what lead to them grow into the Hammerpedes.

There is NO real Clear indication of either, so both could be possible answers...

What was the Engineers running from? the Ones in Front were looking behind themselves, but they could have been running from a Infected Engineer?  Or something else...

Its another Mystery...

Then its a case of HOW was they Infected... surely they would have Precautions in Place... so was it a Accidental Outbreak like how Janek had indicated that he had to HIT the Kill Switch to Eradicate a similar Event on Earth.

Or was it some kind of Sabotage/Terror Attack...

The Juggernaught Scene is Interesting.... as it shows there was 4 Engineers at one point, but we really saw mainly TWO in that Scene (other TWO did Enter but we never saw much of them compared to our Last Engineer and the ONE he was talking too).

These are Interesting Images...

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SUDDENLY ALL SIX ENGINEERS BEGIN TO MOVE TEN TIMES FASTER

.And logic would dictate if these things are RECORDINGS from the past? David has just found the FAST FORWARD BUTTON.

And he pushes it forward. Now, the GHOSTS are just BLURS -- FLYING AROUND THE ROOM -- Sometimes there are MORE, sometimes LESS, sometimes NONE -- God knows how many years he is ZIPPING THROUGH -- How many CENTURIES -- But David’s advanced system seems to be tracking it ALL until --

He EASES up on the control -- Bringing things back to NORMAL SPEED. And instead of six fairly relaxed Engineers?

There is only ONE.

And he is clearly PANICKED. RUSHING ACROSS THE ROOM in FEAR, leaving the main CONTROL AREA and into a CORRIDOR

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From Lindelof's Paradise Draft Page 71

Maybe they had SHOT a similar Scene but it was CUT and that explains those Images?

It would be Logical to Assume something WENT BAD... and they attempted to get to the Cryo-Sleep Pods to either Escape from something or to Quarantine themselves from a Outbreak

But it appears to NO Avail for 3 of the Engineers as they were Infected....

Now in Spaights Draft the Surviving Engineer when woken up was Angry, as he was also Infected and he had Entered Cryo-sleep to Prevent the Infection from taking its Course.   When he was woken up, he was Angry as the Humans had now Sentenced him to his Inevitable Death.

But as far as Prometheus goes, there seems to be NO SIGNS that Last Engineer was infected.... and can we take Deleted Scenes as Clues or Evidence to what happened..

I think the LV-223 Outbreak may remain another Mystery.

I think its SAFE to assume that WHEN those Engineers had began conducting those Experiments, and the Mural, that it was a Matter of Time before things went to POT... this could be Decades, Centuries or Millennia

With Spaights Drafts its clear to see that the Engineers had been Experimenting for some time, but then a OUTBREAK had happened and Crew got Face Hugged (Likely)

With Prometheus we had Ridley Scott indicate the Xenomorph event happened within a Few Hundred Years of the Outbreak that left all those Engineers (but ONE) Dead.

But this was never shown or explained in the Movie and with Alien Covenant this could have changed EVERYTHING.

But Regardless something had Chest Busted from those Engineers in Cryo-sleep.  We can but Speculate on HOW and by WHAT.

But i think LV-223 is well WAS the Big Jigsaw Piece to the whole Xenomorph/Deacon Connection... something that Predated this was Experimented on and Created in this Place...

IN HINDSIGHT.....

They should have given us a Prometheus Sequel that would send a Team to LV-223, where we can discover more about the Outbreak and then Give more clues to the Xenomorph and gave us some similar Organisms...

Then the DOOR to ALIEN could have been closed...

And then another Prometheus Sequel to follow Dr Shaw and David and discover more about the Engineers and stuff and STEER AWAY from Xenomorphs could have been given to us.

BigDave

Concerning the ampule room, it might be as simple as that there is a vacuum inside sealed by airtight doors. That would explain why the Engineer head is preserved (but not the body outside). It would also explain why the ampules and murals start to react when the doors are opened and air rushes in.

The Engineers have, of course, been exposed to the mutagenic pathogen in one way or another. The doors probably closed automatically when the outbreak started. A bunch of them didn’t make it to one door but to “our” door a couple of them made it and one was decapitated. It’s possible that they were only exposed to the pathogen and is running to make it before the doors close. It’s also possible that they run from something which has mutated. In a deleted scene, Milburn finds a skin which something has moulted . . .

In the hologram of the running Engineers, we see a couple of them making it inside the ampule room before the door closes. Where did they go? Did the two of them make it to a juggernaut? Is one of them the Space Jockey? Where is the other one?