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I certainly feel the same Unfortunately.

The Prequels had Polarized the Fan-base a little too much.

I do feel any continuation would likely be a SET-AFTER what ever Ridley Scott had planned.... so what we had was...

Prometheus ==>(events of Crossing)==>Alien Covenant

Then we would SKIP past Alien Covenant 2 and arrive at a Direct Prequel or TWO that take us to ALIEN.

Where maybe the Returning Engineers will be the Aggressive SOB's from Prometheus who would ask LESS Questions than the Predators.... or maybe they would introduce another Race Entirely.

But then i think its more likely we would NOT get any Continuation but either ALIEN Movies that would be SET after ALIEN but would Totally Contradict and THUS remove the Prequels from Canon....

Or maybe in 10 Years for the 50th Anniversary a Complete ALIEN Prequel Reboot... that may not even be anything CLOSE to what Prometheus was (Engineers, Human Visitation/Chariots of the Gods).

I think it is likely dead in the water for the foreseeable future. I could see Disney making a reboot in its own image down the road after they milk their other acquisitions dry. They may also hope old fans will forget, move on and not notice their revisionist movies.

I'd say it's more about heroes with Disney. 

The main reason I loved Predator was because of the characters not the creature...I wanted to see more of Dutch. Predator2 was a non starter for me because no Arnold. 

Xenomorph is near the bottom of my list of things I want to see in an 'alien' movie...I want strong characters.

What movies star is going to want to play a Engineer?...no I think they will jettison the Engineers.

Unless a big director or well known actor wants to do their take?...then I'd say we are dead in the water.

Meh- it looks like a Xeno with a color filter. A green or blue Xeno would look good too. It is a great looking piece- I just agree that it was done more for fun.

"I think the comic was boring heavy on the Cameron's Bug Hive idea"

I cant Edit my Post...... i meant to say Borrowing not Boring ;)

I do however think potentially exploring a Red Xenomorph, well a Variant thats more Red could be interesting.

Especially when we look at some of the Drafts that William  Gibson had done for Alien 3, regarding the Union of Progressive Peoples Faction, which had a Very Soviet Vibe to them...

So we could add that to some ideas that Blomkamps Alien 5 seemed to have, in that you could have a Company Obtain the Xenomorph but then have another Faction obtain a Specimen or DNA and Engineer their own Version that is RED to kind of represent like the Cold War Vibe that Gibsons Alien 3 Drafts had.

However it also be that this was done for Fun.. and is NOT in anyway connected to any Project/Concept that he was working on as far as any ALIEN Movie.

I think the comic was boring heavy on the Cameron's Bug Hive idea, where the Xenomorphs act just like Ant/Bee or Termite Colonies.    In which case then conflict with Rival Hives/Colonies would be likely.... i am NOT the biggest Fan of this kind of take/look at the Xenomorph though.

Regarding the work that Carlos Huante has released, then it merely is one of his ULTRAMORPH concepts for the Alien Prequel (Alien Engineers/Genesis) by Jon Spaights that evolved into Prometheus (after Damon Lindeloff's involvement).  

So we just have the Ultramorph given a Red Color instead of the Grayish Blue...

However forgive me if i am incorrect, but there was reports that one of the Alien 5 drafts/ideas was called Red Harvest?  It would appear that this Concept Work was for that Canceled Alien 4 Project.

If so then the release of a RED Version of his Ultramorph Concept could indicate a Creation of a Red Variant/Faction of the Xenomorph and so IN PART maybe Alien 5 would have borrowed a little off the Aliens: Genocide Comic.

I can't say for sure, but I'm betting he did this for fun, and not for alien 5.  I say this because he commented on my genocide youtube video a few weeks back, kinda poking fun at all the EU alien stuff.  He thought they were from a kenner toy, which did have a red alien too.  I said I enjoy the EU as its own seperate thing, and after we spoke, he uploaded the red ultramorph pics!  You can find his comments on my video, and he's going to do an interview with me for the channel!  I'm sooo excited!

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Back to the OT...

I think while we could have had a Alien 5 take place on the Sulaco where then Ripley loses her Memory a bit because she gets Face Hugged, and Newt and Hicks Die... may sound like a work around....

There really is a Short Window of Time that a Movie would take Place in, and also being set just on the Sulaco could be limiting..

HOWEVER....

Blomkamp had some Interesting Ideas with his Alien 5 Project and Originally it never had Ripley, Newt or Hicks in it.

And so i think that a Blomkamps Alien 5 Idea could still work and should be looked at again, but as a Sequel to Alien 3 that is set some Time After, be it 5 years, 10 years, or 25 years...

We could get a Alien 5 and 6 if you would that would be set before Alien Resurrection where the Conclusion would show us WHY the Company would not get its hands on the Xenomorph until Hundreds of Years latter with USM and the Cloning of Ripley.

So the IDEA could work..... only they would have to DROP the Old Gang... (Ripley, Newt and Hicks).

They could instead introduce Amanda Ripley.... have it that she has been in Cryo-Sleep for Many Years, and that the Photo that was shown to Ripley in Aliens was a FAKE as the Company Covered Up what Amanda Ripley had really been up to (her time with Alien Isolation and any Follow On Stories).

Upon Discovery of Amanda... she could be informed the Xenomorph threat is GONE with the Destruction of Hadleys Hope... but she could then inform those who recovery her that the Xenomorph threat would NOT be Eradicated by the Destruction of Hadleys Hope and that the Entire Planet (or another that has Eggs) would have to be Destroyed..

This Information could then be used by a Company who then Obtain the Derelict or another such Ship...

The Plot then Unfolds like what ever Plans that Blomkamp had, but we replace Ellen Ripley with Amanda Ripley and replace Hicks with another Male Protagonist.

I only Vaguely Read Two of the other Alien 3 Drafts, quite some time ago...

Never Read the Gibson ones.....

So i had only a Quick Look at them, and they do have some Interesting Elements that have surely Influenced some of the Later Novels but also Movies which include the PREQUELS and also Alien Resurrection.

There is a Wealth of Ideas from the Various Discarded Alien 3 Projects, that have been used in later Movies, and i think its Possible that some other Elements could also be explored in Future.... well Potentially.

Roughly looking at Gibsons Drafts i feel that somewhere between those with Some Changes could have gave us the more IDEAL sequel to ALIENS..

Regarding what we got... Alien 3 has Flaws but it is a Film that has Grown on me as i AGE.... when it first came out i was a Little Disappointed... but then i thought ALIENS was AWESOME... but over time that Movie has become more Popcorn Action...

I know a number of Fans are Disappointed at how Alien 3 had Killed Off the Gang!  But during the Process of making a Sequel things do change, and depending on IF they feel certain CAST would return then this Impacts the Story they have to Write...

Also we had to consider the AGE of the Characters... so with Newt we would have had Carrie Henn who would have been 14 coming 15 to play a 6.5 Year Old Newt.

So having her in the Movie would have required them to Cast another Young Actress who would pass off as a 7 Year Old Girl.

They could have given us a PLOT set a year or so after Aliens where Newt made it to Earth etc, the Company are then up to NO GOOD again... and Ripley and Hicks turn up to STOP THEM... (which seems very similar to Blomkamps Alien 5)

But certainly as far as Hicks goes i cant see WHY they had KILLED his Character Off....

Having Hicks being alive would have added to Alien 3, he and Ripley could have Bonded and Shared the Loss of Newt....

They could have Revealed that they had SEX prior to Cryo-Sleep, or they did-so in Alien 3 after they had embraced each other after the Loss of Newt..

A Revelation that Ripley is Carrying a Queen as well as being Pregnant would have added more Drama/Emotion to the Movie.... 

Especially in Light of the Sacrifice at the END...

And it could have then left the DOOR OPEN for Hicks to Return in a ALIEN 4 (as Miss Weaver wanted Killing Off anyway).

Nice Topic... i am sure it deserves many a Debate.

Dont get me Wrong, i dont mean to Dampen the Ideas...

Aesthetically yes there are some similarities but thats where it STOPS....

What i was looking at with my previous reply is that there was UNUSED ideas and Concepts, that could have introduced us to things in the ALIEN Franchise that were VERY Alien looking, compared to the Exploration of the Engineers especially in terms of Alien Covenant.

If we look back at PROMETHEUS and we ignore the Deleted Scenes of the Elders...  then we dont really see the Occupants of the Teardrop/Pebble Ship.  We get the indication that this SHIP is what drops off the Engineer to perform his Sacrifice to Seed Life on a World...  but we dont see who is on the Ship....

More Engineers? (as Deleted Scene indicated) is the Ship Automated? or could we had Speculated that some other Race/Species is on the Ship that is FAR more Alien Looking and Lovecraftian?

Alien Covenant kind of reduces such Speculation but it does-not mean in Context to the ALIEN Franchise that something more Alien Looking could not be Introduced like what we saw in ARRIVAL....

But thats NOT to say the Franchises are or ever would be Connected.

 dk - The video uses the comic as evidence, but crops out a large chunk ripped out of Anne's head in one comic panel that would instantly torpedo his point.  It also completely glosses over the different hair colours of the women - and I think it never makes mention of them being two different actresses.

It's typical of the lazy click-bait drivel from Alien Theory (when he's not just reading out things other people have written).

Interesting.

UNFORTUNATELY...... there is NO connection between the Movies.

Aesthetically the Ships are similar but up close they are also Quite Different.  I can see the reference made about the ALIEN from ARRIVAL and the Trilobite from Prometheus.....  however the Aliens in Arrival you dont really see them fully.

Here is the Concept Art by Carlos Huante for the Movie ARRIVAL

In the Movie we only get a Short Glimpse of them (Heptapods) Full Shot.

However....... here is where it could have been Interesting as far as Connected with Aesthetically Similar Alien Species but NOT in anyway actually Connected.

There was another Concept Work for one of the Alien Prequels that as similar to the Arrival Heptapods Concept but i cant seem to come across it.

But here is ONE of the Engineer (Whale) Concepts for Prometheus.

You can Slightly see some resemblance to the Heptapods from Arrival.

Here are some other Heptapod Concepts that are Similar to some of the Neomorph Concepts for Alien Covenant but also Trilobite for Prometheus.

The TOP Concept for the Heptapod (3rd Image Above) is Very Very Similar to a Earlier Concept of a Spore/Face Hugger from Alien Engineers Draft (early Prometheus story)

EDIT...  Found the other Concept for Prometheus that i was on about that looks like the Aliens (Heptapod) in Arrival.

So depending on WHICH of the Concepts from the Alien Prequel and Arrival then we could have had TWO very similar looking Movies Aesthetically...

But that does not mean they are ever intended to be connected...  i think what my Reply does show is that some Ideas for the Alien Prequels could have given us something more Lovecraftian than we GOT or indeed what we had the the Original Franchise.

 The ships do look similar and I can sort of see the creature comparison. That is an interesting observation! 

Arrival and then Prometheus:

I have JUST seen Prometheus, and you know what? The Arrivals' Heptopods do look uncannily like the thing that was "born" to the lady in Prometheus, the Facehugger, but then that birthed Alien(?). Plus they have the same ship in both films...
So, in many many moons into the future the Prometheus' Heptopods (Facehuggers) have evolved into the Arrivals Heptopods, maybe. It makes so much sense in so many ways, I hope to God that this be the plot to future films.

I think it is very good, I understand the difficulty in it, because I am very bad at this, driving directions

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Nice to Point that out Ingeniero

With these Earlier Drafts the Aurora that Lope was talking about was a Force Field that radiated from the North/South Poles of the Planet... as some kind of Protective Field for the ENTIRE Planet that Prevented any Ships from Leaving...

These were Created by Engineer like Space Constructions that the Covenant Ship destroyed that then Disabled the Force Field and Enabled the Rescue attempt by Tennessee.

This Force Field however was NOT used in the Movie, but we could Speculate that the Bombardment Scene had taken that idea and applied it to a more SMALLER and Local Protective DOME Force Field.

You would kind of have to look at it from their POV... surely the Engineers would have some Security/Protection Measures.

I think they are a Arrogant and Naive Species who likely go and Visit Other Worlds but Insure they are NEVER given Advanced Knowledge to be able to achieve even what we on Earth have in the 20th Century  and so they likely had means to Quell any Species that they deem were Advancing too FAR...

Or more likely and in the case of Earth... they maybe felt that WHEN they abandoned us, then we would likely go back to mere Cavemen than EVER advance to Explore Space....

This Naive Act had proved to be a HUBRIS and their Downfall on Planet 4.... they also may have been so Naive as to think that NONE of their OWN kind would ever Return to USE the Biological Warfare on their own kind.

Hence the Defenses were NOT prepared/good enough for a BLACK-GOO Bombardment, or they was NOT aware of what the Experiments etc on LV-223 had become!

Certainly Ignorant Guy ;)

Going back to the TIME of Prometheus and Concept Stages, (Originally we had Centipede Creatures) but looking at the Black Goo it seemed to Evolve Certain Organisms where it would Maintain some of the Organisms Traits but then Replace others with some other Organisms Traits... 

Some of the Concepts for Prometheus and prior (Alien Engineers) had indicated Organisms with a Atheistic/Traits of Mollusca Organisms, The Trilobite Certainly having Quite a lot of that Aesthetic, but also this is how the Face Hugger Stage of STARBEAST was also described.

At that Time we could Ponder or be Drawn to Speculate that the Black Goo had traced its Origins to some Organism that had Characteristics of a Mollusca that for Some Reason the Engineers saw something with this Organisms to Invest in Re-Engineering and Experimenting with them.

Sorry Chli for this reply being OFF-TOPIC.

However... as i said before, and this is in Regards to Speculation and Broader Exploration of any Genetic Memory concerning the Xenomorph.

I think a lot of Fans expected the Franchise to be explored in a more ALIEN and Lovecraftian way than what we got... And while a bit OFF-TOPIC and especially in Context to the Idea/Story that Michelle was exploring.

I think that some Lovecraftian Elements should be Explored, i think going back to the Starbeast should be Explored, and so if the Starbeast was Explored as a more Lovecraftian/Mollusk like Species that had a Parasitical Procreation where say they can PASS-ON some Genetic Memory with their Procreation, then this would make this Species being able to IN EFFECT be able to be Re-Incarnated. 

The Original Idea of Jon Spaights which i explored here THE ENGINEERS: THE VERGE OF GODHEAD

Had shown the Engineers were TRYING to gain some kind of Immortality, but in this idea it was to attempt to By-Pass a Physical Form  here is roughly what that idea was "The Engineers believe themselves to be on the verge of a Great Transcendence in which they will abandon their physical form and flight into the ten-dimensional multiverse as Creatures of pure energy"

This was NEVER really Explored in the Prequels, However when trying to make a Connection and looking at STARBEAST then if the Starbeast Organism has a Procreation where they could PASS-ON their Memories and become Re-incarnated then this would be some kind of Immortality

Surely this would be something a Ancient Race of would be wanna be Gods would be interested in, in a attempt to gain some kind of Re-Incarnation... so that would give a Good Reason for their Experiments.

This could work with Michelle's idea of this being Unintended for the use of Mankind and maybe the Engineers and so that if a Starbeast was Explored then it could be that NO-MATTER how they try, the Engineers could ONLY produce Organisms with the Parasitic Life-Cycle and NEVER gain the Genetic Memory, or that the Starbeast Spores could ONLY pass this onto a Certain Host Organism and so any Organism like Humanoids would instead be DEALT a Curse instead...

Funny enough some 250+ Years after ALIEN the USM Company manage to Clone/Obtain a Xenomorph from Ripley DNA....  but HOWEVER... it is the Ripley Clone with MIXED DNA that had Gifted Genetic Memory which we can attribute to the Xenomorph DNA.

So in this IDEA... then Ironically Ripley 8 has become what the Engineers maybe had attempted to Achieve?

This of-course is just to Speculate how we could FIT in a Deeper Connection to Genetic Memory and the Xenomorph, it is in No-Way to suggest this was ever the Plan.

I think it really depends on what we CONSIDER as Canon as every Comic and Novel are not really Consistent with every detail.

The Video raises a Good Point regarding the LACK of Human Bodies on Hadleys Hope and so we can Safely Assume that Bodies where taken to the HIVE even if Dead for some Purpose or Another.

Which would mean we can ONLY Speculate on that Purpose, because we have in the Movies Especially been shown they NEED a Living Host to Gestate a Xenomorph.....

There is a LOT that we dont really know about the Xenomorph, there are Aspects that are Explored from Comic, Game and Novel that do-not Match.... by that i mean that ONE Media Format could explain a Certain Aspect of the Xenomorph in ONE way while another could tackle that same Aspect in a Entirely Different way.

I would think it would be FITTING and Gruesome if the Xenomorph Hive or Xenomorphs themselves can Affect a Corpse so that it Dissolves and Mutates to become part of the Hive Construction.... Imagine some Processes similar to the Deleted EGG MORPH scene from ALIEN.

I think that would be Interesting to Explore and Especially in a Future Movie or TV Series.

S.M Please elaborate.

As Newt said, 'They're dead, they're all dead.'

That video is typical Alien Theory rubbish.

Is this in Star Wars series? 

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Just came across this video. Might give you come closure 

If anyone in this forum know a way to contact Dougherty or his post production team for GvK.

Please let me know and I'll work on it from my end. Thanks!

Let the Fans be heard, and "The Music" !

I'm a professional Videographer/Video & Audio Editor with 30 years experience. Maybe they might listen to my opinion! And everyone who agrees, please help me get this out there!

Thanks Everyone!

I love that one too! Not sure which is my favorite though...

I mean, you could stalk Dougherty until you have his routine down to the second. Then, kidnap him and force him to tell his editors to do this! /s

I honestly have no idea lol

Seems we all agree,"Pump that Music Track" Any idea how to get this communicated to the production team on GvK? ASAP! 

By the way, my absolute favorite track in GKOTM was the Rodan/Jet/Argo Chase scene! I can watch it over and over and over. Best scene in the film IMO? The Music alone Kicks Ass!

Having louder music would be nice.

Special effects are tough, of course, but changing the audio levels of music? That usually only took me a few minutes if I was in a rush, and if I REALLY wanted it to be perfect, like in sync with the video and perfect leveling of the music throughout the couple minute film, about half an hour. Of course it would take much longer for a feature length film, but since the already have the syncing part done, raising the volume of music and decreasing the volume of sound effects (especially only during action scenes) shouldn't be much of a problem at all. I hope they do fix this in GVK, though. In my opinion, music leveling is one of the "easy" (not really easy, but one of the "easier" parts) parts of editing, so I don't think it would be hard at all. Especially with people with plenty of experience in editing feature length movies compared to somebody like ME, who isn't even all that good an editor XD

It's such an easy fix too. I edit together Music, Sound Effects and Dialog all the time. In my opinion the Music score really creates the mood and keeps the excitement factor going. The editors should take a note from all the Marvel Movies. They really drive home the music to the edited scenes (Cutting the film TO The Music). Scenes with dialog they keep the music under more so you can hear the dialog clearly, But! when the action starts it ramp back up to 70% volume Music/30% Sound FXs. GKOTM was more like 30% Music/70% Sound FXs.

Yeah, that bugged me a lot too. Toho did the same thing quite a bit in Shin Godzilla. So many awesome tracks wasted!

You're most welcome BigDave.

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In ignorantGuy's topic regarding the scripts (source), John Logan's Alien: Covenant, the "energy barrier" (page 60) is discussed below.

"Right, so Millburn described it as an 'elongated reptile-like creature' for a bit of fun, I suppose. How is that materially different to my description of a "hostile reptilian form"?"

Come on hox.  Be reasonable.  

"Hostile reptilian form" is so far away from "elongated reptile-like creature" that we can fly a juggernaut in-between them (sarcasm).

When I look at the Xenomorph, the first thing I think of is reptile (teeth like a small dinosaur, spines on the back, long tail, etc..) but that interpretation is confused immediately with the details seen on the beast.  

Yes, Milburn barked out "reptile" in his description.  

I'm sure, if given the opportunity, Milburn's description would have been updated to include non-reptile traits with the setback his mouth had but he, as well as, Fifield had communication problems shortly after saying "reptile".

BigDave Only a small caveat, there are 3 families of worms, only of which having segmented bodies like the earthworm. Look at this short article about the roundworm https://feluno.weebly.com/roundworms.html# which states that it moves through water like snakes.

I would still be willing to STICK my Neck Out and say what we are being shown is in EFFECT... what Paradise was in the Bible.

Which is where GOD had created Mankinds Origins... where Adam and Eve would Dwell in the Walled City (Paradise) where the Garden of Eden is Located.

Keeping a Creation within ONE LOCATION means you can Control and Watch Over its Every Move, and so make sure they Behave in a way that the Hierarchy want, and Live by the Ways/Rituals of the Hierarchy

The other Context as mentioned before is Paradise is a Place ONLY the Worthy are allowed to Stay/Live.

So this is the Deemed Worthy/Pure Genetic Stock of the Engineers, or Collection of Related/Hybrid Races they have Seeded.  That Once they are pleased with how they Genetically have turned out, and Deemed them to be Followers to the Engineers Ways.... then maybe Races are taken to Planet 4 to stay and Intermix with the other Genetic Stock?

I think it would be interesting to BRING BACK more of the HR Giger Aesthetic and Surrealism.... but i am not so sure we would EVER see this Again!

some of his stuff is TOO out there for Disney..... and then we have the Giger Estate who may-not want anyone to use his Works/Atheistic...  

So i guess we would be stuck to the Xenomorph we had in Alien or Organisms that Carry the Aesthetic... but anything else with that Aesthetic may be something we just WONT see.

But we can still HOPE ;)