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Just came across this video. Might give you come closure 

If anyone in this forum know a way to contact Dougherty or his post production team for GvK.

Please let me know and I'll work on it from my end. Thanks!

Let the Fans be heard, and "The Music" !

I'm a professional Videographer/Video & Audio Editor with 30 years experience. Maybe they might listen to my opinion! And everyone who agrees, please help me get this out there!

Thanks Everyone!

I love that one too! Not sure which is my favorite though...

I mean, you could stalk Dougherty until you have his routine down to the second. Then, kidnap him and force him to tell his editors to do this! /s

I honestly have no idea lol

Seems we all agree,"Pump that Music Track" Any idea how to get this communicated to the production team on GvK? ASAP! 

By the way, my absolute favorite track in GKOTM was the Rodan/Jet/Argo Chase scene! I can watch it over and over and over. Best scene in the film IMO? The Music alone Kicks Ass!

Having louder music would be nice.

Special effects are tough, of course, but changing the audio levels of music? That usually only took me a few minutes if I was in a rush, and if I REALLY wanted it to be perfect, like in sync with the video and perfect leveling of the music throughout the couple minute film, about half an hour. Of course it would take much longer for a feature length film, but since the already have the syncing part done, raising the volume of music and decreasing the volume of sound effects (especially only during action scenes) shouldn't be much of a problem at all. I hope they do fix this in GVK, though. In my opinion, music leveling is one of the "easy" (not really easy, but one of the "easier" parts) parts of editing, so I don't think it would be hard at all. Especially with people with plenty of experience in editing feature length movies compared to somebody like ME, who isn't even all that good an editor XD

It's such an easy fix too. I edit together Music, Sound Effects and Dialog all the time. In my opinion the Music score really creates the mood and keeps the excitement factor going. The editors should take a note from all the Marvel Movies. They really drive home the music to the edited scenes (Cutting the film TO The Music). Scenes with dialog they keep the music under more so you can hear the dialog clearly, But! when the action starts it ramp back up to 70% volume Music/30% Sound FXs. GKOTM was more like 30% Music/70% Sound FXs.

Yeah, that bugged me a lot too. Toho did the same thing quite a bit in Shin Godzilla. So many awesome tracks wasted!

You're most welcome BigDave.

Docking Procedures

In ignorantGuy's topic regarding the scripts (source), John Logan's Alien: Covenant, the "energy barrier" (page 60) is discussed below.

"Right, so Millburn described it as an 'elongated reptile-like creature' for a bit of fun, I suppose. How is that materially different to my description of a "hostile reptilian form"?"

Come on hox.  Be reasonable.  

"Hostile reptilian form" is so far away from "elongated reptile-like creature" that we can fly a juggernaut in-between them (sarcasm).

When I look at the Xenomorph, the first thing I think of is reptile (teeth like a small dinosaur, spines on the back, long tail, etc..) but that interpretation is confused immediately with the details seen on the beast.  

Yes, Milburn barked out "reptile" in his description.  

I'm sure, if given the opportunity, Milburn's description would have been updated to include non-reptile traits with the setback his mouth had but he, as well as, Fifield had communication problems shortly after saying "reptile".

BigDave Only a small caveat, there are 3 families of worms, only of which having segmented bodies like the earthworm. Look at this short article about the roundworm https://feluno.weebly.com/roundworms.html# which states that it moves through water like snakes.

I would still be willing to STICK my Neck Out and say what we are being shown is in EFFECT... what Paradise was in the Bible.

Which is where GOD had created Mankinds Origins... where Adam and Eve would Dwell in the Walled City (Paradise) where the Garden of Eden is Located.

Keeping a Creation within ONE LOCATION means you can Control and Watch Over its Every Move, and so make sure they Behave in a way that the Hierarchy want, and Live by the Ways/Rituals of the Hierarchy

The other Context as mentioned before is Paradise is a Place ONLY the Worthy are allowed to Stay/Live.

So this is the Deemed Worthy/Pure Genetic Stock of the Engineers, or Collection of Related/Hybrid Races they have Seeded.  That Once they are pleased with how they Genetically have turned out, and Deemed them to be Followers to the Engineers Ways.... then maybe Races are taken to Planet 4 to stay and Intermix with the other Genetic Stock?

I think it would be interesting to BRING BACK more of the HR Giger Aesthetic and Surrealism.... but i am not so sure we would EVER see this Again!

some of his stuff is TOO out there for Disney..... and then we have the Giger Estate who may-not want anyone to use his Works/Atheistic...  

So i guess we would be stuck to the Xenomorph we had in Alien or Organisms that Carry the Aesthetic... but anything else with that Aesthetic may be something we just WONT see.

But we can still HOPE ;)

Thanks for the Video ;)

We have debated this quite a bit over the years... the Invisible Dome theory is always something interesting to Ponder.

Seems its NOT up to the Task of Preventing the Bombardment and you would have thought IF it had been Specifically Designed for this Purpose then it would have surely had PERFORMED its TASK better!

So the ONLY real Logical Conclusion if we are going to say... YES that was some kind of Force Field... is that it was Activated as a Border Control to Prevent any Ships from Docking/Landing on the Surface...

The Scorpion Ship would Intercept and Dock and Perform some kind of Border Control Checks.... and then after the Ship Passes these, then its likely the FORCE FIELD would be Turned Off and thus allowing the Ship to Dock/Land in the Hanger.

That's some really good advice and criticism. I really do hope this goes out to the team making Godzilla vs. Kong.

Well i think thats just Millburns interpretation, and it did appear as some Space Cobra... in the Movie it appeared to more like a Eel than any Reptile...

It moved like a Serpent, but its Skin Texture was more similar to that of say a Eel or Squid Tentacle (not sucker part).  Some of the Props/Production had matched the Concept Work, where it clearly had a Segmented Body like a Worm, so it appeared as a Worm/Eel Hybrid...  Apart from the Head.

But in the Movie we dont make out any Segmented Sections.

I dont think we can really say what it is as its a ALIEN Organism, it had been Evolved/Mutated from Worms but its to the point that little % of Worm DNA remains compared to what the Pathogen had Imprinted.

The Trilobite also had a similar Aesthetic as far as its Tentacles in regards to the Hammerpedes Body.

But i dont think it really matters what we try and compare it to as what we are seeing really is a ALIEN DNA.

Certainly i think the Xenomorph could be Telepathic but only in Regards to its own Species, i think having them being able to Read a Humans every move and thought would be a STEP thats TOO FAR!

However i agree as far as Empathic goes... were the Xenomorph can SENSE a Targets Emotional State, so it can determine if someone is feeling Angry, Afraid or about to Run etc... then  YES i think thats probable.

Something ELSE to consider is what in a way Chlis Post had touched on a bit Kanes Son

In regards to Genetic Memory.... maybe the Xenomorph could Inherit certain Memories off Kane and so it would know about the Lay-Out of the Nostromo, and that it had a Escape Shuttle and so it could detect the Self Destruct was Activated and knew it had to make its way to the Escape Shuttle instead of just happening to END UP there by Pure Luck/Instinct.

"too powerful."

Indeed.

But...What is the creatures ultimate goal? (survival obviously....but to what end?  )

Do they 'sense' humans are a threat?  (( I can imagine David introducing some pheromone identifiers and aggressive traits.   ("smells like a human...KILL!") )

I think that having the Alien being telepathic is a step too far towards making it too powerful.

Having the Alien being Empathic might work, especially if can sense with greater accuracy the higher someones emotional state, essentially like it can smell ones fear with a stronger smell the more frightened someone is. Thus, Lambert would have been easy for the Alien to find.

Great point on telepathy S.M.

It didn't know she was going to blow it out an airlock.  Nor did Mother apparently.

@Ignorant, "The monster is not a reptile by any means imaginable".

Right, so Millburn described it as an 'elongated reptile-like creature' for a bit of fun, I suppose. How is that materially different to my description of a "hostile reptilian form"?

I don't want compliments from anybody, thanks very much.

Thank you so very much for the limited release.

Brainstorming at a fever pitch...

"This would be controversial but I propose for him to be also crucified on the cross first to offend even more people."

"The Engineer ships have triple 'vaginal' openings on the front. Why? Wouldn't it be nice to see some kind of ship that had a set of equivalent 'male' parts. It 'mates' with the Derelict for some mysterious purpose."

I love it...either recommendation might send Comicon factions into a civil war.  Bring on a lot of weird Engineer technology.  Crucify David if you want...it worked for Spartacus' legacy.

David resurrecting an ancient custom/weapon (the mutagen/xenomorph) isn't unreconcilable to what was seen in Alien in my opinion.  

LV-426 seems to be pivotal to the story direction and a return to that planet would be great.  And eventually David needs to be destroyed (his body). 

Why do you believe that the Space Jockey is David ignorantGuy?  

I just interpret all the details regarding proteins, empathy and anger felt by Walter described in the novel sets the Walter character up for something big.  I cite the Fire and Stone content above not as a canon argument but offer details included in other literature in an attempt to unveil where the story, in film, may go.

"We need to always have that sense of "what am I seeing"?"

That is what I was going to point out dk.  It would be really nice to see something overwhelming biomechanical...hard to understand, ghastly, full-on Giger.

Details from the archeological sites visited by Dr. Shaw were documented in Project Genesis.  The sites in Project Genesis were largely abandoned to antiquity only to be rediscovered and appreciated in modern times.

"So they would have no reason to open fire on a ship of their own making, which seemed to arrive and dock properly, for all they knew, it was their own gods/people coming home after a long mission."

That's how I interpreted the arrival AdamPD.  The population below seemed excited to see the return of a juggernaut.

"Looking at the Bombardment... it appeared the Black Goo was Activated/Programed in a Different way, in that it Swarmed and Infected the Inhabitants"

The video below was made to accent the bombardment discussed above BigDave.  I tried to slow down sections to a stop in order to see details somewhat hidden in the film.

The last time I checked, there were no Alien films in Disney+.  

With both the Predator and Alien films going into the vault, we can only assume that...uh, well, more rumor-based updates and really neat Alien Day fluffamundo from Disney..

"Trust me, we were shocked by some reactions too. Staff even got death threats, it was a strange time."

That's amazing Svanya.  

I didn't realize that the reaction was so strong.  The Alien: Covenant novels enriched the film for me but many didn't share the same warmth I had for the film.

Ah dang, I just realized you're on a second account. Your first one was banned because you were a tad spicy back then. Since you seem to have grown up since then, so i'll unban that account and just ask you to use it. Our TOS forbids multiple accounts, so I have to enforce that.

It should have been split up into two movies, one for the island half, the other for the Lockwood Manor. It would have been less tone deaf and a lot of scenes could have become much more awesome or chilling. There could have even been a Dilo-scene and Camo-Carnotaurus scene if they split it up!

I guess i'm the only Jurassic Park fan that like Fallen Kingdom

See, this is why JWFK shouldn't have been made the way it was. It is so frustrating and disappointing.

TheLazyFish

That’s the only explanation I could have on behalf of the Dimorphodons. But, that also begs the question on why any of the pterosaurs would still reside on an island that’s volcanically active and give mercenaries the chance to capture them and bring them to the mainland. The whole movie and it’s logistics have me in a state of perplexity. 

MinecraftDinoKaiju

I never noticed that there were no Dimorphodons in FK, but then again, I had already given up perhaps a quarter of the way into the movie because I caught early on about how FK was going to pan out.

Needless to say, I haven’t watched it again to try and catch what I may have missed the first round, after all, it’s the first movie I ever considered walking out on. I came close when I saw Burt Wonderstone, but even closer with FK, didn’t see it possible. I especially didn’t see it possible with my favorite franchise.

All I have to say is who in the HELL made the executive decision to put a poorly known filmmaker and his accomplice, whose only credible production was a B rate film called “Safety Not Guaranteed”, in charge of a critically acclaimed franchise? It pisses me off to no end, seriously. There’s a damn good reason why they took Colin out of the director’s chair for a new Star Wars movie. 

One final thing to note: Derek Connelly was the one who wrote the screenplay for the blockbuster, Oscar-worthy film “Monster Trucks”. Let that sink in...

Well, the Dimorphodons might have flown off the Island like the Pteranodon in Jurassic Park. They might have snuck onto the ship like rats. They might have just been hiding in the forests most of the film? Who knows really. Dimorphodons do have a chance to have survived, and it wouldn't really take more explaining than they snuck onto the ship. 

"There is NO Reason why the Ship Internally cant Change Shape/Size and Levels... maybe its NOT beyond the Technology as the Cargo Hold Hole in Alien Covenant does appear from a Area where there is NO such HOLE.... so their Technology maybe allows for the Material to Morph/Change Shape."

The Engineer technology seems to do this BigDave.  

The opening that the urns passes through seems to be the product of multiple layers peeling back, mechanically, folding into perfect recesses.  

The same thing can be said regarding the opening on Planet 4 below.  It is the Engineers' motif. 

Ok, so maybe not the Dilophosaurus, but the one that really grinds my gears and tests my patience is the Dimorphodons, seeing as none of them even appeared once in JWFK, so that means they should be extinct. And yet, they were listed as endangered, so now I question where they went if they were endangered. And don't even get me started on the way the Baryonyx looked in the film compared to the website. I liked the original website version better, and I don't know why they had to ruin that except for a Spinosaurus reference scene. It is all just so dumb, and I have now lost hope in the franchise. It's so sad, really.