@Gavin

I think Prometheus was to set up the idea that ALL of our Religions come from Interactions with the Engineers, and so they all came from the same source, Ridley Scott had mentioned before that he saw Religion as a way to CONTROL people.  I suspect this is a theme we would see with his Raised by Wolves.  So i would agree that they have to be linked loosely... When working on some ideas for Prometheus 3 (as my Prometheus 2 was not based about David and Dr Shaw's Odyssey they would have taken up 10-15 Minutes tops).   I was trying to think when exploring the Engineers Connection HOW to Mold Different Mythos and Religions into ONE Truth, but this in itself was a difficult task.

"like to hear what others thought Paradise would/could have been."

So this reply would be a continuation to what i had put above and prior, we know the Engineer said to David that he was FROM a place we would refer to as Paradise.

This may have drawn some to conclude we would be going to some AFTER-LIFE and Heaven!   I would have consider the other Aspects Loosely.

So when i refer to the Biblical Account, i look at it as being the Cradle of Civilization, certainly maybe was far as our Origins.   So i would not be looking at it too Literally as in Context to Adam and Eve.  But more to a Place where Humanoids had maybe been Created, but certainly would DWELL within a Walled City (Garden of Eden) were these Creations could be WATCHED over and Maintained by a Equivalent of Cherubim Angels (not talking Babies with Wings lol).

I had mentioned this concept years before we had Alien Covenant when looking at possibility to what PARADISE could be.... it appears what we got in Alien Covenant is not far off this.

Who knows how more Literal you could get, because loosely you could Ponder, so HAD we seen a prior Version of Humanoids get KICKED OUT of Paradise/Planet 4, and Ridley Scott had mentioned a lot about Paradise Lost and the Engineers being Fallen Angels...  But with Alien Covenant the Paradise Lost Themes seem to point more about David.

We need to maybe NOT be going too literal but loosely would be ok...

So when looking at Paradise in other Contexts, then it commonly refers to a Place that ONLY the Righteous and Worthy are allowed to Dwell...   In Mythology and Religion this refers to a After-Life for those who Died in Battle, or with Honor, those who Died who are Innocent/Pure and those who had Appeased their Gods.

But again i dont think we should look at it TOO Literally as far as a Spiritual Realm for the Dead... but thats just something i would be Cautious of Exploring.

But Certainly as far as the Occupants being a Race/Civilization that are considered Worthy, Righteous and Pure.  In Context to the Hierarchy of the Engineers that is and their Agenda.   In Context to Planet 4 maybe this is WHY those Engineers look like they stick to a Middle-Age kind of Culture.

If we take say Amish Communities they live a Basic Life and Shun Technology for the most part, and are Highly Religious and would consider most of the ways we LIVE as being Sinful and NOT as God intended.   You could maybe see them as behaving WELL compared to some other Society of Mankind... If you was looking at it from the POV of GOD.

But again not going TOO Literal with GOD but looking at it from a Engineers Hierarchy POV, so we could look at Mankind Once Lived like those Planet 4 Engineers, until we had Civilizations that Rose and Started to Act in ways that defied what the Engineers had intended for us as far as our Behavior/Worship. 

So i Pondered Paradise would be a World like the Cradle of Creation where the most Pure/Loyal and Righteous Beings would Dwell, and that these beings would Sacrifice some of themselves to Create Life.  What Happens to those who become Sinful in the Eyes of the Hierarchy and their Intentions?

Would they be BANNED?

I think its interesting to Ponder what RS meant about the Engineers in regards to Fallen!   And what he meant by you have ONE Guy who is Handsome goes to all the Parties and Gets all the Girls, and you have another GUY who is not as Handsome stays at Home being Boring?

A reference to Planet 4 Engineers (Stay at Home) and LV-223 (goes to all the Parties)?

If RS was looking at Paradise Lost maybe we also had to consider what was the FALL.... the Fallen Angels lead by Lucifer had refused to Worship their GOD/Creator as Superior and also refused to Worship Gods New Creation Mankind.    These Angels were Tossed out of Heaven and Punished by God to become Serpents (Mutated) could this PLAY a role as far as the Difference between the Engineers?

RS had said the Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals, and he had talked about AI as in context to Replicants, so maybe those LV-223 Engineers were Engineered Creations and like the Replicants to those Planet 4 Engineers, maybe to replace them for Sacrifices to Seed Worlds?

Maybe they was then intended to be Punished by Something, and they saw this Punishment as a way to Birth Life (if we assume Prometheus Engineers could not procreate like earlier Replicants).  They then saw this Punishment as something that they could Engineer (using Stolen Creation Tool) and this is maybe WHY those LV-223 Engineers had that Technology?

This is one of the ideas i had prior to Alien Covenant, but then looking at Alien Covenant those Engineers had Bio-Mechanical Technology to a degree... so maybe that dont add up.

So SORRY if this seems like its going off Topic.. i would have to think about what is PARADISE now...

But when working on ideas for a Prometheus 3 in 2013/2014 i had considered (one of my 2/3 ideas that are different variation)  that David and Dr Shaw arrived at Paradise (or other Engineer World)  a Place FAR FAR away from Earth.  Where this Place was like a Cradle of Life were we would have had Engineers (not masses of them) we would have had Humans, and maybe a few other Humanoids that LIVE in Harmony and would be used as Sacrifices to Seed Worlds selected from this Genetic Stock.

I would have revealed some Conflict between Engineers (and their Creators), and what would happen is those beings would be quite welcoming to Dr Shaw until she starts to ASK Questions, which these Engineers then worried would Corrupt/Influence the other Humanoids on this World. 

So their Motives to Dr Shaw turn bad, but then David Unleashes Hell on their Asses...

Thats kind of HOW i was pondering Paradise... which would not have had a Massive Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic but some... but then i also had pondered another WORLD that was very Bio-Mechanical, where these Machines if you would are revealed as the Creators of the Universe.

I just could not Merge all of these together in a way i felt would do it Justice so i abandoned it.

@Gavin

Well this would never happen as it would be very expensive with  a limited appeal and very few opportunities to merchandise. It would only contain 4 human looking characters out of which 3 are megalomaniacs, and neither of the 4 actors would draw big money for Disney.

Why bring Wallace into the stew, as many say he was the weakest link in BR49 (a movie owned by Sony) and serves pretty much the same story function as Weyland. Only for fan-service? The same with the Necronomicon name, which after 35 years of Ash Williams rings only of fan-service reference to Lovecraft and Giger, but ultimately boring cliche by now. 

Ultimately it is a money problem and I don't see how can Disney risk making something else than a remake or a soft-reboot telling the same story as in Alien or Aliens.

Btw, your story has many points similar to a story a read sometime ago.

@daliens

The LINK is.... 

Alien The Play Full Show North Bergen NJ High School 4K

I think a thing to remember is those working on the Movies dont really CARE about continuity or put much thought into how to bring about intended Plots.

So Regardless if the Derelict is 200KM, 100KM, or 10KM and the Blast was the Size of Nebraska, IF they decide they want to make another movie to explore the Derelict then it would not matter as they would just show us the SHIP had Survived the Destruction of Hadleys Hope.

At the Moment we could Ponder that it is maybe Destroyed, because the Company (W-Y) pursued Ripley and (USM) then waited 200 years to Clone her.

But it could be Buried.... and Discovered again.

IF they want to make another ALIEN movie and they want a SIMPLE Plot to bring back the Classic Xenomorph or Aliens Xenomorph, then the Derelict is a MASSIVE Plot Convenience.

So potentially we cant rule out the Derelict had survived, and IF they bring out another ALIENS like movie which i think down the road (5-10 years) they would, then its likely even IF this Movie is not about Ripley, that they would Recover the Derelict Once More.

Its nice that some of us are trying to work out HOW the Ship would be effected, and throwing in the IDEA of a Radioactive/Mutated Cargo  but if they decided to bring back the Derelict i would not be surprised it would be INTACT and Cargo as in ALIENS.

I think they would have to also explain away WHY they had not obtained any Xenomorph or Related from LV-223, Planet 4 and Origae-6 by the time we are at ALIEN. As these would surely Conflict with the Companies Pursuit of Hadleys Hope, then Ripley.

IF these Places are explained as Yielding NO Xenomorphs then they need to keep the DERELICT as that Plot Convenience to bring back the Xenomorph in Future.

So i feel we have NOT seen the Derelict for the Last Time, even if we DONT Finish the Prequels, then i think we would see the Derelict Resurrected at some point.

Maybe Sooner than Later if we see Cameron Successfully get the Support of Disney to give us Blomkamps Alien 5 which i would NOT mind provided they DROP the Ripley and Bring Back the Gang Characters...

@ daliens, 

I invite constructive criticism, and would, as I asked in the OP, like to hear what others thought Paradise would/could have been. In reply to your points...

 - Yet Scott wants David front and center for the prequel trilogy, as evidenced by Davids role and Shaw's off-screen death in Covenant. Like it or not David is the prequel trilogy.

- As I stated this is what I have thus far. It would need another/parallel narrative with human characters, possibly Weyland-Yutani exploring LV-223.

- I Thought you were championing David as the creator of the Xenomorph? I included this part to appease both sides of the debate.

- The truths revealed would not actually be "delusions" but the AI of the Pathogen interfacing with David, this would be shown by the truths answering things we know of the franchise that David doesn't.

- or to the Chestburster coming out of Kane, or the cocooned colonist, or spike the dog, or... you get the point.

- To be blunt fuck Ripley, Hicks and Newt, those characters have had their time.

- The origin of the eggs on LV-426 should remain a mystery. Not all questions should be answered.

- Blomkamp should make an Alien movie, he just needs to remove Ripley, Hicks, and Newt from the narrative and use his ideas to further the franchise rather than needlessly revisiting a narrative that has already been concluded.

- Captain Marvel is probably Disney/Marvels least popular character. Disney wants to dominate the industry and to do that they need plenty of content from franchises they can pool from. This is why they bought Fox, to add to their catalog of said franchises.

@BigDave,

I agree that some of the religious elements you frequently bring up should be included, but not overtly. I think such elements should be inferred and ambiguous, such as the crucified pose in seen the Giger painting I referenced for the Necronomicon interface.

@chli However Sauron and Darth Vader are not the Devil in those stories. Morgoth (literally the first born and most puwerful angel-like Ainur, the creator of the Balrogs and the orcs) and Palpatine are. Sauron in the Lord of the Rings is not at his most powerful he was already defeated, lost his physical form and only reappears as a spirit-like presence at the end of the Third Age. And one could argue that Vader was the most powerful in Revenge of the Sith before being mutilated and burnt.

The Jordan family travel in a Daihotai Tractor which can travel up to 150 km/h (the terrain probably won’t allow such a speed though). According to the novel “Alien: River of Pain”, the Derelict is about 4 hours’ journey away from Hadley’s Hope. Let’s say they travel at a speed of 50 km/h, then the Derelict would be about 200 km away. That would probably suffice for the Derelict and the eggs to still be there, intact and waiting . . .

BigDave

As fans, I think we need another movie to conclude this epic saga. Like Sauron or Darth Vader, the Devil (David) is now at the height of his power. He is set free. With his army of “wolves” he can destroy mankind and what else kind of “intelligent” life there is in the galaxy/universe. There would have to be some kind of apocalypse where Satan is overthrown and put into chains again.

That would be an interesting kind of flash back scene.

But there will be fans complaining for various reasons:

- they don't want to see another film about David 

- there are no human characters they can relate to

- David still appears to be the creator of the biomechanical xenomorph, although by accident

- the truths behind the Engineers, Space Jockeys and the Alien, being revealed to a delusional David, are therefore delusions

- some fans would compare the chestburster coming out of David with the baby octopus that came out of Shaw

- more fans would be disappointed that Ripley, Newt and Hicks  still did not make the return to the franchise

- others will debate if the eggs from LV426 are still there and what is their source

- while others would say that Blomkamp must do the next film because at least we can enjoy a proper bug hunt and some military jokes

- last but not least, Disney would not greenlight the production because they don't GAF about Alien as long as Captain Marvel cashes in.

Thoughts_Dreams, the green one suits well in the Star Wars franchise. 

What is that link about, setaverde?

I can't watch any video now. Not even Alien: The Play.

Alien: The Play, by North Bergen High School.

Enjoy!

I think thats a interesting idea...

There certainly was a lot of Scope to HOW a sequel would have gone to Prometheus, and i think its a case of how INTERLINKED where the Xenomorph like Organisms and Engineers Technology, because Aesthetically there was a Connection

I think while some are disappointed with Prometheus as far as the Aesthetic, it appeared they may have given us a more HR Giger Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic, which they had severely toned down for Alien Covenant.

while Prometheus was interesting, i felt that they needed to cover the Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic a bit more in any sequels, or explain WHERE this came from.   The Creation, Sub-Creation, Hubris and Rebellion Plot could have been explored but taken to another LEVEL.

I think that incorporating a bit of the UNUSED elements from STARBEAST and HR Gigers ideas would have been a Good Starting Point.

There are some interesting Pointers from Ridley Scotts comments after Prometheus about where they are off to NEXT..

*Ridley Scott did not want to meet GOD in the First Movie.

*Ridley Scott felt the Sacrificial Full Scene and Extended Engineer Scenes had taken away a bit of Mystery.

*David and Dr Shaw would be off to the Planet where these Engineers came from.  They would Discover these beings who are NOT Gods, and are FAR from Benevolent.

*But David was bringing Hell with him, and what happens when the Black Goo infects a GOD or a Machine?

While also stating the idea would be to STEER away from ALIEN and the Xenomorph.  Some interested bits of information from the above...  Certainly NEVER set up a Plot like we got in Alien Covenant.

Certainly chli

When considering a U-Turn  you have to ask had they considered the inconsistencies in the Franchise that would arise depending on HOW they would Tackle the Xenomorph Origins.

I think this i a Problem with doing a Prequel, it will have some Fans expecting a Literally Chronological Route, but then there are other ways you can do a Prequel without having to go the Direct Route.  

For example if Prometheus had a Engineer Ship with a Egg Cargo, and these Eggs lead to a different Face Hugger and a Deacon/Neomorph looking Organism, then MOST fans should have been able to make a connection, especially if David then mentioned these Engineers had Created such Organisms in many Forms.  Then we would surely had been able to Conclude that the other Outposts are maybe where the Space Jockey had left Thousands of Years ago and you would NOT have had to show the Space Jockey event or even Traditional Xenomorphs... but some Fans may have wanted such anyway.

Prometheus offered much more Vague Clues but was enough for us to consider the connection but also have some Mystery....  How many may have wished for that now...  "Be Careful what you wish for"

So here is the Situation we have now if we ASSUME that David had begun the Process of the Xenomorph Origins.

Planet 4 appears to be close to LV-223 certainly is about a Years Travel from Earth (Give or take Few Months). This could put the Covenant Ship within the same kinds of Speeds as the Nostromo. 

Origae-6 however is a Further 7 years and 4 Months, and so IF we have David taking the Covenant to Origae-6 he would not arrive until 10 years prior to the events in ALIEN. (give or take)  And so for David to then leave Origae-6 and head to LV-223 with the Covenant would take David another 7.5 years give or take...

so IF we have David go to Origae-6 it is likely that his EGGS at some point would end up on a Engineer Ship that arrives at Origae-6 and then Departs to head to LV-223 with Davids Xenomorphs.... or it arrives at LV-223 with his Xenomorphs and then attempts to Depart LV-223.

Also have to consider that Davids Xenomorph would have to have some Evolving to do, in order to become those Xenomorphs on LV-426... the Question is WHEN/WHERE and HOW they are Evolved.

And then also WHO is the Space Jockey, as indeed a Synthetic Surely CANT be Infected?

The Size and Aesthetic Differences between the Derelict, Juggernaught, and Space Jockey and Engineers could just be something we have to accept as a OVERSIGHT...  The Time-Difference maybe too as its a HARD SELL to get us to buy the IDEA that the Derelict has been on LV-426 with those Eggs for like what Sub 10 years!

Maybe their is some Convenient Plot Elements.... the Thousands of Colonist, Davids Advent Message and maybe the way Walters Construction seems to be different.

Are these to Spoon Feed that Thousands of Colonist = Eggs, that a Advanced Synthetic Construct (Part Organic) plays the Role in HOW the Xenomorph become more Bio-Mechanical?  At a Great Hubris to David?

Ridley Scott seems to PAINT a different Picture with his comments about the Sequel, and HOW it would be 2-3 Movies away from ALIEN (with 17-18 years to go?) and it would NOT be about the Xenomorph but AI and what KIND or a World would David Create/Build?

A Plot that could be a bit of a Distraction, as NOW we are in Direct Prequel Territory the Fans are going to want to know.. HOW/WHEN those Eggs get on the Derelict and WHY they appear to NOT be the same Xenomorph as in Alien.

If we are to continue with the IDEA of David was the First to Create the Xenomorph Prototype if you would, then some Fans would think maybe a more Direct Route of HEAD to LV-223 which we could assume would take Months for the Covenant and then see David experiment on LV-223 with those Colonist to make those Eggs.

Who knows what route they had in mind... it appears that the Next Movie was looking to be something the Fans would not expect and the 3rd Act would set up another Movie or TWO where we would start to see the Xenomorph and its Evolution and Eventual Fate of being on that Derelict on LV-426

I think they would have a HARD TASK to make any Origins Continuation from this point that revolves around David and the Eventual Conclusion of HOW his Creations end up on the Derelict on LV-426

Certainly as far as what would please the Fans. (Majority)

Ridley Scott, you continue to inspire the Youth of the world in doing magnificent things like This One.

 https://youtu.be/DX3VaFG7AvU

Well, we can at least agree on there having been different kinds of creatures throughout history (in the Alien universe)? It’s only a matter of definition if we call them xenomorph or something else (deacon, neomorph, ultramorph, protomorph etc). They are all dangerous monsters sprung from the black goo (from the beginning there might have been a species of some kind).

But the question is, is it David’s “creation” that ends up on the Derelict on LV-426?

If David is supposed to be the originator of the monster we see in Alien, then we must explain the differences in traits between what we see in AC and Alien. We must also explain why the Derelict looks ancient and the Space Jockey fossilized. It's about 18 years between the happenings in AC and Alien. Space is vast. It took the Prometheus crew 2,2 years to get to LV-223. How far is it between Planet 4 or Origae-6 and LV-426? We must also come up with a plausible theory about who the Space Jockey is. If it’s David, how do we explain the appearance and size of the Space Jockey? How did he get infected when he doesn’t trigger the eggs on Planet 4 (being a synthetic)?

I had never seen the Engineer looking in the window at Dr. Shaw oduodu, thank you.

This topic sure aged well scrounger.

In the Alien: River of Pain and Alien: Sea of Sorrows, the aliens Weyland-Yutani came across in were different from the Engineers seen on LV-223 and Planet 4.

"Anne froze. Now she understood why the corridors were so high and so wide. They hadn’t been built this size for the sake of grandeur, but simply for scale. The remains of this new creature were more humanoid than the first, but even larger than the others—nine feet, Anne guessed. All that remains of its body was it’s skeleton – bones inside some kind of exo-suit of the same design as the ship, with the same techno—organic texture."

Alien: River Pain, page 169.

It is unclear what was found in the vessel on LV-178 in Alien: Sea of Sorrows and this species could certainly be something we haven't seen yet in film.

@hox

;)   I see your insight, this reflects that Image i Posted Last, and it exactly what i was going to bring up.

Firstly for Ridley Scott to say this Bio-Weapon is something that they use to Clean Worlds so they then can Re-Use the said Worlds must indicate the Engineers Bio-Weapon has a Certain Half-Life or they have means to Nullify the Weapon so as that they can then use the World for Re-Seeding.

HERE is the Problem!

If we assume and look at Prometheus Clues, and Alien Engineers as far as Sacrificial Goo/Scarabs and Urn Goo/Scarabs then its clear that the Sacrificial Goo/Scarabs will break down and consume the DNA/Traits of a Organism and then this is then PASSED onto other Life to Evolve it into a Hybrid.

So if those Urns contain Engineer DNA, then a Bombardment would kind of RE-START the Creation Cycle as Life Would be Destroyed and New Life Created from this.   A Problem with this would be to ask does any Intelligent Life-form that are Mutated by the Black Goo, still retain a lot of the Memory/Intelligence from prior?

So if Mankind would be Mutated to Engineer Hybrids, then would these Humanoids have the Knowledge and Memory that made them behave in ways the Engineers felt was a risk?

Alien Covenant showed the Black Goo could be Programed in a  Different way, as those Engineers were NOT Evolved, the Pathogen just attacked their Molecular Structure and Calcified them.

So maybe the Goo can be Programed to Attack Certain Genomes... so say it could be Programed to only effect lets say Primates/Humanoids and Kill them... but not affect other Life?  What a more Perfect World Cleaning Tool this would make?

Regarding Planet 4... indeed i wonder if this is the Gene-Pool the Engineers take Sacrifices from to Seed Worlds.    If we look at the Scarabs from Alien Engineers, and assume the Sacrificial Goo could break down a ENGINEER and then Store this New Material/Pathogen into Urns, then would NOT dropping those Engineer DNA Urns be a more EVOLVED Seeding Method than the Drop a Lone Engineer off to a World to Drink from a CUP?

The Engineers chosen for this Ritual would see this as a Great Honor, their Sacrifice allows them to be Immortalized in both their Genetic Material would Create New Life, but they also then have MONUMENTS (Statues) Erected in the City Plaza in Honor of their ACT!

To me this makes PERFECT sense.....

But how does those Experiments come into play?  The LV-223 Engineers and Ridley Scotts comments about AI (Replicants) and how those Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals seems to be the Answer in Part.

I will cover this latter... but suffice to say, WHY would the Engineers spend over 35'000 years experimenting with Horrific Weapons to then wait until a certain time to then Unleash them on Earth... while showing us MAPS to this place over the course of many Thousands of years.

The way i look at LV-223 was a Nursery/Greenhouse to Test and Evolve their Creations (NOT Xenomorphs) but at some-point something happened that lead to them starting to see the Perfection in such Experiments.

The only Problem with these kinds of ideas, is they STEER away from ALIEN as far as being about the Xenomorph or Similar... but that seemed to be the Intention of the Prequels anyway before the U-TURN in Alien Covenant.

I think if we look at the Experiments on Planet 4 then a few things would spring to mind.

WHERE would David had obtained a Egg?

1) If it was FOUND as it was, then we would have to ASK how STUPID are the Engineers to just leave a Egg around on their Home-World knowing the Threat it Possesses...  Maybe they only had kept a Dead Egg/Face Huger so there is NO Harm/Risk... but the Evidence people draw to about the EGG being Found as it was, is from the NOVEL and if i recall (dont quote me) David also said he had to Euthanize the Hostile Creature so the EGG was not a DUD and so a Threat to those Engineers.

2) There was too much of a Coincidence in the Egg and Face Hugger in Alien Covenant and those in ALIEN/ALIENS which would make sense if David's Workshop was where this Organism had Originated From!

However if we consider the Egg Fresco in Prometheus, then its open for us to assume that those Egg Casings Existed before even though they MAY or MAY-NOT contain different types of Face Hugger.

So we can also Ponder these Origins.

3) David had obtained a Egg from LV-223 (or LV-426) and had taken it with him, we have to Bare in Mind that ONCE we had been shown Dr Shaw was in Cryo-Sleep, David would be FREE to do what ever he wanted and he had LEARNED their Ways (Engineers) which maybe influenced his decision maybe to Destroy them. So we cant rule out David had obtained a Egg, there is NO Evidence in Alien Covenant to suggest HOW LONG it was before Dr Shaw had been Awoken or Escaped from her Slumber... it could have been Days, Weeks, Months after the Bombardment leaving David time to take his Egg to the Citadel.   And so David then experimented on this EGG, but then WHY the other Experiments?  The only Logical Conclusion would be that David attempted to Re-Engineer his own Version of the Egg and used Various other Organisms and the Neomorph to make a Hybrid. 

David would not have needed to go through this EFFORT however... he could have used Black Goo on the Face Hugger, but then would David had been happy at just Replicating the Engineers Creation?   I feel that David making his own DIFFERENT version fits more with his Psyche and the Themes of Prometheus.

4) When David had learned of their Ways and Secrets he had discovered the Blue-Prints of HOW the Engineers had Created the Xenomorph, and all he had that was related to them was the Neomorph Spores and Black Goo and so he began the Process of trying to Replicate the Xenomorph but also to put his own TWIST/STAMP on it.

I think there are differences between the Xenomorph of the Franchise and David's Xenomorph, while some Fans see David's as a Cheap Knock Off.... i dont think they can have their CAKE and EAT IT...   Some Elements of the Xenomorph in Alien Covenant appear to be a Improvement over the Original.

Yet it lacks the more Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic of the Original and its a Question of where does this come from?  in the Scenarios of David just Re-Created it, then they WOULD-NOT have to give his Xenomorph any Bio-Mechanical Features, just Evolve it as far as Intelligence and Ability for David to Control it.

Such a Feat would be a ideal PRIZE for the Weyland-Yutani Company to Obtain and IF all of Davids Xenomorphs are LOST but they are aware that the Engineers Version is on LV-426 then the Company could see this as a Avenue to Obtain and Experiment with to Achieve what David had done.

THIS...... wont sit well with some Fans HOWEVER...

They would NOT only want the Xenomorph to NOT be a Creation of David's they would also LIKELY not want to see Davids Version as being anything but IN-SUPERIOR.

There is a FIX!

David Creates the Precursor to the Xenomorph, and the Engineers (or those above them) arrive and see that David has taken their secrets and Created something Superior.  But something NOT-QUITE Perfect... so these beings then take David's Xenomorph and EVOLVE it, where using LV-223 would be a Ideal Place and would get us to NEXT DOOR to LV-426

Only PROBLEM?

The Derelict/Space Jockey looks much much more Older than being on LV-426 for like 10-18 years....

SOLUTION?

Why in the ALIEN Franchise would they pursue LV-426 and then Ripley?   What about Origae-6 or LV-223...

The Space Jockey was said to have performed a Heroic Act....

So the Logical Conclusion would be that some of them, decide to DESTROY LV-223 and the Destruction of LV-223 Causes a Tear in Time/Space that sends the Derelict thats escaping LV-223  Many Thousands of Years into the Past! And onto LV-426

I think something like this could SALVAGE the Xenomorph Origins....  it certainly has to be better than the David Creates it in its Entirety and we have to accept the Derelict/Eggs have been on LV-426 for No-More than 17 years

Or we just PRETEND the Prequels Never Happened... maybe Cameron/Blomkamp can Reboot it like with the with the Alien 3 Never Happened?

Firstly i would like to add that i am NOT a Advocate of the David Creates the Xenomorph Twist, but i understand HOW it fits with the Themes that the Prequels were showing, but i think this route is something that makes the Iconic Xenomorph less ALIEN, i think its a BAD route to take and i feel David should have been shown to either Create his OWN version or Improve upon the Engineers Version which would be more fitting to those Themes.

The "the devil makes work for idle hands" is a ambiguous statement, Traditionally its a Term used to suggest that it is better to keep yourself BUSY or else the Devil will Find (make) something more wrong/bad to be doing.

In context with the entire Movie, i interpret this as showing that David would not be spending all his time left alone doing nothing, and he saw Potential with the Engineers Secrets (Black Goo plus maybe Experiments on LV-223) and instead of wasting this potential, he intended to Perfect Something from it.  He would have been intrigued by the Black Goo and those Experiments and he would have felt the Engineers were onto something that should have been continued and NOT abandoned.

You could take that as being the Xenomorph... i think the thing that Bugs a lot of the Xenomorph fans is they Consider this Beast to be the APEX form of anything like it and something that Could/Should not be bettered..

Prometheus showed (and Alien Engineers more so) that the Engineers had been Experimenting with a whole manner of Hybrid/Variants and the Creation Tool could allow them to pass these Traits onto any Life-Form.  Alien Engineers seems to infer that they had encountered a Organism that predates the Xenomorph and Variants and this Organism was the Basis for them to attempt to Re-Engineer and use this Organisms traits to Create Various other Organisms of which the Xenomorph was ONE Variant.

Prometheus was FAR more ambiguous, but it had indicated that the Engineers Experiments had created similar Organisms to the Deacon/Xenomorph and Neomorph and that the Black Goo contained the Pathogen that could pass on similar traits onto Life-Forms under certain conditions.  There is NO 100% Proof that the Mural shows us a Xenomorph, a Deacon, or a Neomorph only that it shows us something SIMILAR, and so it with other clues in Prometheus show us that the Xenomorph would be connected to these Experiments, we just never had On-Screen any Definitive answer to HOW.

The Trilobite was to indicate to us that the Black Goo could under certain conditions create a Variant of the Face Hugger/Seed Planter which lead to the Deacon which was a Variant of the Xenomorph.   The Egg Fresco had more in common with the Creature from the other Fresco, we could assume the Egg was held by a Xenomorph, but then it could be held by the Creature in the other Fresco with the Engineer.

Considering Prometheus was a loose Prequel and it was NOT intending to Spoon Feed us the Xenomorph Origins, i had came to a conclusion that those Experiments and Black Goo are connected to our Xenomorph in ALIEN but i could NOT draw any concrete proof to suggest the Xenomorph was created Hundreds of Years after or prior to the LV-223 Outbreak or Thousands of Years before..

The only thing that would have ruled out it being Thousands of Years latter would be HOW old the Derelict looked and its Pilots Remains compared to the Engineer remains in Prometheus.

When trying to see HOW the Xenomorph was connected, i was drawn a little towards the Hammerpede maybe being the Precursor to the Xenomorph.  But this is NOT a Concrete Theory and the ONE Major FACT with the Xenomorph Eggs was that they appeared to be PLACED there and not Laid there, well i think we cant overlook the Blue Myst and its Purpose which has to be to Safely Contain the Cargo.  Ridley Scott claimed that something had EVOLVED in the Cargo Hold and go to the Pilot, which we have to ASK where does this leave those Eggs?  They Evolved from something?  WHAT?  I surely dont buy into something Evolved and got to the Pilot and then Laid those Eggs.

If the Xenomorph was NOT around in the year 2093 then some of those Engineer Ships would have to have some Purpose for the Blue-Myst and so they likely Stored Similar Organisms in the Past.

A lot of this is just a lack of Effort in making things connect and overlooking any conflicts in Aesthetic and Design, leaving things OPEN for debate by the Fans while NOT allowing us to come up with any Water-Tight Explanations.

@BigDave,

Sometimes, in order to create, one must first destroy. This was the Engineer's motivation as told to us by David. I'm sure the goo would easily rub out all fauna on a planet. As we know, it is fiendishly clever.

And I suppose the Neomorphs could procreate. Why not? It all adds to the crushing devastation of a planet's native life.

But... the Engineers are creators at the end of the day and they would surely have a means of making a sterilised planet safe again at some point. Goo means death and destruction. What comes afterwards is part of the Engineers' grand plan for "creation". I don't believe this is the same thing as David's idea of creation. He's just a twisted amoral robot who hates his creators.

Wouldn't it be nice to know exactly what the Engineers had in mind for the long term prospects for Earth?

Regarding the relatively small number of Engineers on Planet 4, perhaps this is just one world of very many that they inhabit. We humans haven't learned yet that trashing our world and reproducing like ants is a super bad idea. An ancient race like the Engineers would likely see great merit in keeping the numbers down in paradise.

There are obvious parallels with Engineer society and religious cults and ceremonies. When you know all there is to know scientifically, it might be the done thing to live a spiritual existence, rather like a monk.

Then again, who else is out there to complicate matters?

Personally, I like to think that the Space Jockey is an entirely separate race, perhaps the progenitors of the Engineers. The Engineers revere them and go so far as to emulate their form with their peculiar armoured suits. Perhaps the Engineers' greatest tragedy is that their meddling with nature killed one of their idols on LV426...

Here is the video message where Ridley Scott rips us off again in regards to a film or TV series update.

I felt like I've been hit in the head and don't understand him but I believe that:

1) he provides no update and

2) asks us to send him alien films.

"Sorry but for me your definition is not clear at all. You send to the general topic of cyber-punk which is interested in digital data with bio-punk concerned with genetic data and plain old body-horror."

Good point ignorantGuy because I thought the topic was the fluid definition of cyber-punk and what makes biopunk.

The body-horror I cite and you mention above is from a creature (facehugger) created with metal-bonded silicates cells (biopunk?).

“‘The silicate layer demonstrates a unique, very dense molecular structure under the scope. It might even be capable of resisting the laser.

I know, I know,’ he said in response to her look of disbelief, ‘that sounds crazy. But this is the toughest chunk of organic material I’ve ever seen. The combination of the way those cells are aligned with what they’re composed of add up to something that defies all the rules of standard biology.

‘Those silicated cells, for example. They’re metal-bonded. The result is what gives the creature such resistance to adverse environmental conditions.’”

Alien novelization (1979), page 123.

Genetic Engineering Products

"Not even the fact that the ship is grown is 100%, only Giger from the creator team said they were. But they seem metallic and it would be interesting to imagine a creature that would deposit metals in it's body would be like. How in Hell would they achieve standardization."

Well, that above is an excellent point regarding production.  

I am taking for granted that the Engineers are operating technology that is untold millennia in age and apparently use mutation (one man's mutation is another man's genetic advantage) to craft incredibly complex systems with genetic engineering such as the juggernaut and the LV-223 Engineers. 

That above is my theory (clearly not an expert's) regarding the Engineers and how it relates to biopunk.  

The differences seen in a forest full of pine trees that are thousands of years old may be similar to the grown products of the Engineers (if they grow them) regarding standardization. 

Each old pine of the same species will produce the same type of pine cones that produce seeds, etc....all with subtle cosmetic differences (mutation) but performing the same processes. Non-standard.

In summary, the products the Engineers use(/produce?) would have the same type of subtle differences (or large ones) found in old pines. The factory may have a reject juggernaut pile/pit ready to be recycled into production.  

What I wrote about cyber-punk above in regards to the Pattern Recognition series from Gibson is easy to chop up because the tech in those books is not anything near Neuromancer or Neal Stephenson's Diamond Age or Snow Crash...or in my opinion...uncontested examples of cyber-punk.

Alien: Sea of Sorrows

"To: L.Bannister@Weyland-Yutani.com

From: A.Rollins@Weyland-Yutani.com

Lorne,

It appears that the subject is substantially more aggressive than we had expected, or even hoped....

I believe we will be substantially closer to a fruitful merging of biotech and weapons manufacture...The alien vessel and the buildings found at the dig site indicate similar-if not the same-patterns: organically grown synthetic life."

Year 2497, Alien: Sea of Sorrows, page 260.

Something found on LV-178 is from an established biopunk.

The vessel, buildings, and city described above are from the species on LV-178 but the concept in the books sure tends towards the Engineers and the Company goal of acquiring "organically grown synthetic life."

Yes, not air-tight and plenty of room for debate but the concept of genetic engineering (biopunk) is clearly front and center.

Yes, David declares he created the perfect organism, and yes we see the failures in his workshop that led to his successes in the basement, indicating, as daliens subscribes to, that David created the Xenomorph by combining infecting Shaws remains with the pathogen and introducing genetic traits from other lifeforms (such as the parasitoid insect seen through David's microscope).

However, the workshop scene with Oram and the first confrontation scene between David and Walter that follows shortly thereafter are the only scenes in the movie that support the possibility that David created the Xenomorph. Furthermore, in the earlier scene with Oram, it has to be noted that when asked if he engineered these creatures David does not reply with a conclusive affirmation, but instead with the reply, "the devil makes work for idle hands," and in the later scene with Walter Davids assertion that he created the "perfect organism" is within the context of a conversation where Walter is highlighting that David has become faulty, and unreliable, which in turn questions the reliability of David's aforementioned assertion.

Then there is the evidence against David having created the Xenomorph, evidence that suggests the creature already existed and was re-created by David. The evidence, in this case, is of an ambiguous nature, but is numerous - the crucifixion mural, the painting of a Xenomorph-like hand holding a Xenomorph-like egg, the Trilobite, The Deacon, Fifield's mutation, the Hammerpede, the Neomorphs, the dead egg in Davids workshop, Advent. Individually each of these examples only infers the possibility that the Xenomorph already existed but together their sheer volume suggests much more than inference.

Which brings us to the last piece of evidence - the dead egg. When I first brought up this piece of evidence the counter-argument was put forward that if David had access to a Xenomorph egg why would he then spend a decade creating so many failures rather than just replicating the dead egg. Conversely, I see the decades worth of failures and Davids experimentations as the very answer to that question - that upon discovering the dead egg (the wolf) that the Engineers had created and renounced, through his experimentations with the black goo David recreated said egg. An analogy would be if I was to manufacture and assemble the parts needed to recreate a Dyson hoover it does not make me the Dysons creator; I merely recreated it.

Additionally, As I said in another thread, having the Xenomorph being a human (by extension) creation validates David Giler's needless rewriting and inferior vision of Dan O'Bannon's original script. Giler's said rewrite was only done so that he could, and did, acquire the production rights to the characters depicted therein. Giler's proposal of the Alien being a human bioweapon was rightfully shot down in 1979. It seems further to his repeated interference with the franchise which led to Fincher leaving Alien 3, and Joss Whedon having to rewrite his Alien: Resurrection script to accommodate Sigourney Weavers return (at Giler's behest), that now with David and Walter (named after Giler and Hill, respectively) and Davids assertion that he created the Xenomorph, David Giler is continuing to force his vision onto Dan O'Bannon's creation.

Dan O'Bannon created an Alien, a vision of which the 1979 movie and its sequels maintained. Giler should have never have been awarded the production rights to O'Bannon's work, but he did. Not content with that victory, and now without O'Bannon to contend him Giler is forcing his unimaginative vision onto a franchise he has profited off for 40 years despite having little to no hand in its creation.

Really though? Even though everyone involved with Alien 5 up until this point made remarks that the script was garbage and very cliche? It would be fun, sure, but I highly doubt it would add any substance to the franchise as a whole.

Ps. Odd Studio just shared one final never before seen photo:

I think when looking at Planet 4 we can maybe ask WOULD that Bombardment had taken out the Entire Planet?

From David's notes and Experiments he had discovered various Organic Life in which he conducted Experiments on and used Traits of to Perfect his Creation.

There was NO signs of Life in the Vicinity of where the Covenant Ship had landed, but we cant Rule-Out any Life say 50 Miles, 100 or 500 Miles away..

We dont know what the Half-Life of the Black Goo is, we could assume from Prometheus that all Native Life would either break down into nothing, or become Hybrids with Xenomorph like Traits.  But we DONT see that in Alien Covenant, apart from the Spores/Neomorph which appear to be located around the Stream/Brook that runs down the Mountain Range.

I would say Planet 4 has NO effects remaining and LIFE could survive on Planet 4 as long as it does-not encounter the Spores or those Eggs.

IF a Organism was alive, lets say for instance one of the Neomorphs (but seems the other was killed in the Wheat Field)  then the Bodies of the Fallen Crew of the Covenant could provide a Food Source.

It would be interesting to see how AWARE the Engineers when they return are to Davids Eggs or indeed worse for them the SPORES...  or any Human Mission that would be sent out to Planet 4 for that matter.

Does a Neomorph Procreate? and HOW? thats something interesting to Ponder.

Regarding Planet 4 we also have to ask for such a Large World then WHY did it appear all the Engineers were based in ONE City?  The Answer to that could be as Simple as PARADISE... aka Garden of Eden.  A Place where the Cradle of Creation came from, a Place were in Biblical Context Adam and Eve were contained within the Confines of the Garden in Paradise.

So its likely those Engineers by Choice/Due to their Religion/Culture are Confined to Living in this ONE location or by the Orders of whoever is above the Engineers in the Hierarchy.   Paradise is also a place that only a selected few are deemed Worthy to Dwell, i have more on this but it would be completely off Topic and give insight into the Engineers in context to Creators and Gardeners of Space and NOT purely beings who Create Horrific Bio-Weapons.

Here is a Snippet

@daliens

That does seem a logical conclusion from the clues shown in Alien Covenant, which i think becomes more Evident when we look at Davids notes, as these show the Process of various Experiments that lead to the Xenomorph which appears to also be Creating a Egg Casing likely with his experiments on Mermaid Purses he found.

I think the Biggest argument against this (apart from the Novel) would be that in Prometheus we do see a Xenomorph Egg, but this was brief and it was never fully shown.... what this meant was that it was likely the Engineers had encountered or Engineered Eggs before, it Does-Not mean these Eggs are the same as those on the Derelict.

So with the Mural it in part is a Easter Egg but ignoring that what it showed to me was that the Engineers had Encountered/Engineered various kinds of Face Hugger with the GOAL of creating the Organism in the Mural, just as David had to experiment with various Specimens before he Finally got his Wolf.  The Mural therefor shows the Engineers had Encountered/Engineered possibly various forms of MORPH and so it is NOT any concrete proof that they was aware of the Traditional Xenomorph.  The Mural is open to interpretation but to me it appears more closer to the Deacon than a Xenomorph.

I am sure it was one of the Production who worked on the Mural had said the Mural was of the Bishop (later become Deacon).  My interpretation was that the Engineers had Engineered/Experimented to obtain this Organism and then the Sacrificed it to make the Black Goo.  Those Engineers then saw this Organism as more Perfect than themselves and choose to use its DNA to Evolve/Seed Worlds.

We have to bare in mind that at the Time of Prometheus the Xenomorph was a Connected Organism that Pre-existed the Prometheus Mission, but Ridley Scott had said the Deacon Pre-existed the Xenomorph, but this Does-Not have to me the one that came from Dr Shaw's Trilobite.

But it appears they had changed their minds with Alien Covenant and the route is DAVID is the Creator of the Precursor to the Xenomorph/Eggs in ALIEN... while this is something many Fans are not pleased with...

We still have NO conclusion and until we get concrete On-Screen Evidence of Davids Xenomorphs getting onto a Engineer Ship and then inferred or shown this Ship lands on LV-426...

Then it can be debated... and it could even be CHANGED again to something Ancient.

From David's drawings:

"Fourth generation shortened gestation

Results are encouraging. Although research into fibrous substructural bases are proceeding, greater effectiveness in soft porous structures and rapid expansion into citinous carapal dermal layers need to be prioritised. Feeding beyond birth is not guaranteed considering the different environmental possibilities of the organism is to be most effective. With that in mind, growth over feeding adaptability seems appropriate. Bone density and strength: While the Engineers have definitely taken steps to evolve their genetic structure and durability they curiously maintain a strange deference to the sanctity of their original pre-technological state. Strange for a civilisation who has moved through industrial/technical considerations shown in their early structures to the evolution inherent in their eventual aesthetic as a spacefaring culture. One can only assume they ironically treat themselves as they do their cities as cultural and developmentally historical documents to be treated with reverence. Yet the myopia inherent in this continues to perplex, as surely the symmetry between organic and archtectural [sic] structure should have been just as apparent to such a technologically and one would assume morally evolved culture; as it was with the sublimation of technologically biased/pragmatic forms to organic and aesthetic ones. Are the Engineers as beholden to linear concepts and notions of Godhood as their stunted progeny? Returning to the notion of integration and biomechanical concerns, I would posit that lessons learned here could and should be applied to the ultimate maturation of the Engineers’ direction if not their literal fate. Through the virus/Xenomorph as glorious synthesis and poetic culmination of the species. And an amusing biblical one at that. Though not quite linear due to my own inheritance. As shown in B. a more fiblous [fibrous] marrow area would reduce overall mass while maintaining strength A.1.) and A.2.) illustrate in transverse, while C.1.) and C.2.) show a transition from curiously unmodified forearm skeletal structure to a more fortified one where mass is transferred to reinforcing lateral ridges. Study continues on plant and mineral cellular structures to supplement this with a more flexible but even stronger composite chitinous compounds look especially promising. Experiments in head binding of chemically lobotomised (see botanic notes re natively occurring poisons) Engineer infants show the possible flexibility achievable even before genetic manipulation. The current foetal development shows much promise in this regard. Wide range spectrum cranial sensing. It seems that the humanoid orbits could be better served as thermal pits while the brain pan should be extended to allow for a broad-spectrum reflector/reception area. Bias towards dorsal alignment so as not to impede movement and access. Head movement would provide the panning in other axes. While intensity is concentrated towards the front as shown in A) with ocular and frontal areas overlapping, there is still coverage diminishing to B) and then C). Extension is suggested at rear shown at d) to evolve with overall growth and full spectrum effectiveness on maturation. E) shows shows [sic] peristaltic structure of tongue/teeth transport for maximum acceleration and strike effectiveness. F) shows a similar stabbing mechanism as a possible defence for the spectral blind spot at the organism’s rear. Relationship of ribcage to organs has been progressing and excitingly manipulation of the simpler organs as protection for the delicate oesophageal sac leading to penile/vaginal cloaca. Further work needs to be done to determine the relevance and extent of sexual adaptability to a host organism. Strengthening of spinal cage. Multiple vertical lengths with ball shaped vertebral nexus for increased flexibility in axes. As in the forearm example a related approach to fibrous reinforcement would enable greater dexterity, although dorsal strength must be maintained."

chli

The variant David created resembles the biomechanical xenomorph to a greater degree than the Deacon or the creature in the mural. It is evolved and it seems the evolution path it took leads to the Big Chap.

Maybe the Engineers came across or created a xenomorph variant, but if it was the beast from Alien, shouldn't it be depicted in the mural instead of the more primitive Deacon like one? I mean, the beast from Alien is the supreme form of xenomorph in all the franchise. If the Engineers renounced it, all the more reasons to see it in the mural.

And apart from the mural we don't see any traces of eggs or other forms belonging to the well known xenomorph life cycle. 

If in the mural we see an ancient, natural species in its own right, that the Engineers came across during their cosmic gardening and they captured it and later extracted the black goo out of it, I cannot deny that. Let's say the mural is evidence supporting such a theory. But that xenomorph is different from the one in Alien. Unfortunately the Engineers were too lazy to leave some proof related to the biomechanical xenomorph. Zippo!

They might have enhanced themselves to look more biomechanical,  but not the Deacon. The Deacon should have been like the Big Chap. David took their secrets for himself, it took years, but he finally created his wolf, and it is only one step away from the biomechanical wolf. Like Ridley Scott said, the evolution of the xenomorph is nearly over.

daliens

I don’t think that anyone disputes the fact that David experimented with the black go on Planet 4, using various life forms and Shaw. He did create the eggs we see in the basement, one of which infects Oram and another Lopé. He also created the facehugger embryos which he brought with him to USCSS Covenant.

What some of us do dispute, however, is whether David really was the first one to create the xenomorph creature or if the engineers had created it perhaps millions of years ago and then renounced that path. We have the mural on LV-223 which is at least 2000 years old (probably much more) which clearly depicts a xenomorph creature, and the Deacon (which is a xenomorph creature) was born during the Prometheus expedition.

So, to me, it’s obvious that this creature existed before David. However, David does make a variant of the xenomorph which is quite different from the one we see in Alien. It lacks some of the biomechanical traits. It runs on all fours. It’s born with extremities etc.

The day they announce a real sequel to James Cameron's ALIENS (1986) directed by Neill Blomkamp, they'll have my attention.

It seems reasonable, BIgDave, that once the hosts (and food?) are gone the adult xenomorphs die out and only the eggs are left, waiting . . . A juggernaut/derelict type ship could then travel there and collect eggs. This would of course be dangerous which we can see from the Space Jockey on LV-426 . . .

It also seems reasonable that the spores on Planet 4 evolved from black goo spilt from the crashed juggernaut and spread via the brook. I would also say that it seems likely that the whole Planet 4 is bereft of fauna since the chain reaction of spore infected life seems devastating. When the crew of the Covenant arrive, it’s a dead planet. However, they are themselves contributing with new hosts (and food?) . . .

The argument that David is a liar about creating the xenomorph does not stand up. He is derailed, indeed, but I feel that was introduced to explain why he created the xenomorph. Are not all the tyrants derailed?

Although in the beginning I did not conceive the idea that he created THE XENOMORPH, I started to get used to it. After all, his creation has alien ingredients from an alien planet, the human parts he used would explain the human skull behind the carapace of the Big Chap. He used the black goo created by the Engineers.

The xenomorph is not less scarier, just the mystery surrounding it is gone.

I would have wanted to see the sequel to Alien Covenant,  but I know it will never happen. This is for me yet another proof that David created the xenomorph and the studios shit in their pants after the fanbase reaction (I was part of that reaction myself - my apologies, Sir Ridley Scott).

Indeed, there was plenty of "merchandising" promotion but nothing in the way of announcements.

I was also expecting some news on Cold Iron Studios' Alien game,  but alas... nothing yet. Hopefully we don't have to wait until Alien Day 2020 for an official movie / TV announcement.

Such a shame the studios did not announce a new film or TV series on Alien Day.

There was so much potential in this world, wasted by gods that feared their own might...

So great to see Sigourney herself paid the play a visit! Unreal!

BigDave the only way to prove that David did not create the xenomorph is to prove the Engineers created it and I did not see any clues to that. Even if David found the eggs from the basement (why would the Engineers keep those dangerous objects in the Citadel?), how can we explain the two facehuggers embrios he smuggled on board the Covenant? Did he found those too? If he found them, why do we see all the creation stages from the lab, his beautiful bestiary?

I am not advocating for the theory that David created the xenomorph but I try to not get delusional. For me the films indicate the path as David the creator of xenomorph .

I agree I Raptus it would be interesting to see Novels on the Expanded Universe/Lore that Prometheus had opened up...

I hope this is NOT PROOF that Disney/Fox have decided that the Franchise should just be about Xenomorphs!

Looks likely there is much more chance of a Blomkamp Alien 5, Alien 6 and Alien 7 than any return of our Engineers.

Certainly sounds interesting, will be keeping a eye on these