@BioDegradable

Regarding your LAST two posts..

Totally Agree with everything you had put, i cant recall, but maybe it was you a while back who proposed that David's Love for Dr Shaw would make him Give Up his Immortality to gain a more Mortal Body to be with her, to have the intention of Starting a Family with her (or along those lines) i can understand this concept.. it could prove a MAJOR Hubris for David, or by that could even see some Redemption for him.

Prometheus and its Themes had opened up a WHOLE REALM of Possible ways to explore all different Elements... something which Alien Covenant had kind of just put the LID on, in a Spoon Fed Attempt to connect to ALIEN.

So indeed ideas like mine, yours and others would unlikely make it, even Ridley Scotts which may share some similarities are unlikely to make it.

A Alien Engineers meets Aliens Return to LV-223 maybe the kind of Movie under Disney we would likely to see.

But i hope the Expanded Universe that Prometheus unlocked could be explored by NOVELS... but seems they just seem interested in CHURNING out Xenomorph Novels.

Sadly maybe Prometheus has suffered the same Fate as Dr Shaw and those Planet 4 Engineers... R.I.P

If i can be HONEST about something....

I feel the ideas i proposed here and on other threads, some some of the things RS had hinted to are LIKELY going to be a Distraction from what a Majority of Fans see as ALIEN about the Franchise.

1) Unknown ALIEN Organism that was being Carried in a Storage Hold. 

2) A Unknown ALIEN Ship and its Pilot who had been carrying this Cargo (or loading/unloaded it)

3) A similar/shared ALIEN Aesthetic to the Ship and Organism.

4) Inferred Plot that the XENOMORPH was a Bio-Weapon, or could be USED as such.

Prometheus attempted to make a Connection, but Scale and Aesthetically it had differences, it did Indicate the Xenomorph was connected to Experiments that were ambiguously indicated to be used as Weapons... or to Create Something NEW.

But it did-not give answers, it had some inconsistencies, and it lacked a Xenomorph or Related Encounters...   ALIEN ENGINEERS had more of the Aesthetics and Scale, it had more Alien Encounters.

Prometheus had TONED these down, maybe a Mistake a bit in Hindsight....   Alien Covenant gave us the Xenomorph (Plot Twist that was NOT Fan pleasing) but further TONED down that ALIEN Aesthetic

I would say MOST Fans would want to get back to the Aesthetic and a Movie that is more Reminiscent of ALIEN ENGINEERS

The only place we have seen that has this is LV-223 (or LV-426 if we ignore the David Creates Plot)

I think a lot of Fans are not so interesting in a David Plot, or going deep into Philosophy

PLANET 4 lacked this Aesthetic apart from the ONE Docking Bay. This makes sense if we look at Planet 4 as Paradise in Context to Creation...   In the Biblical Sense we have to remember Paradise is NOT Heaven.

So this could be were our Origins Stem from... The Engineer came from Paradise, this is how David Interpreted what he had said to him...  Paradise as in a Place that only the Engineers are Worthy of Dwelling, those that Stick to a Strict Way of Life/Rituals. 

LV-223 was set up for some Purpose where this similar Bio-Mechanical Technology was used/housed.  Do we assume this place had been there for 35'000 years as a Place to Purely Create Bio-Weapons that our Engineers would leave Clues to when they Visited us over Thousands of Years, purely to then UNLEASH this on us just because we had UPSET them?

I think Fans Forget that RS had intended to STEER AWAY from ALIEN and Xenomorphs... and the Bio-Weapon was just ONE Element of a Larger Franchise... But this HAD-NOT pleased Fans... who expect it to REVOLVE around the Xenomorph.

In Hindsight all this Gods stuff was a Distraction for the Franchise, as far as those who would not ACCEPT that Prometheus would have opened up something Different.

In Hindsight Prometheus should have catered for those Fans by giving more Clues and Xenomorphs like ALIEN ENGINEERS and allowing that Prequel to Close the DOOR to Alien and had Freedom for  a Sequel to NOT be Shackled to the Xenomorph.

But whats done is done! We are in Direct Prequel Route where the END GAME as to be to explain the Xenomorph on LV-426.  I think most would want/not want.

*Movie about David and what he wants to Create

*More HR Giger Aesthetic

*Xenomorph/Derelict Orgins Explained (not by David)

*Gods and Philosophical Stuff

*Xenomorph or similar Rampage!

For this the Logical Conclusion would be to GO BACK to LV-223

The Engineers Bio-Mechanical Technology came from somewhere, WHY is it we only see this on LV-223 and only in the HANGER on Planet 4?

If Planet 4 is similar to the Garden of Eden this would make sense....

We would then have to ASK why do they keep most that Technology on LV-223 and where it came from and where else can we see this.

And so we can open up the Possibility or other Worlds that have a more Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic.  We could open up a Hierarchy of Creation.

If those Engineers are FALLEN Angels, then these beings were ONCE more Loyal Angels... which are NOT the Top of the Biblical Creation Hierarchy.   The Angels could be compared to the Igigi under the Annunaki Hierarchy in the Sumerian Mythos.

other Mythos have Layers of Deities.  Including the Greek Titans and Olympians.

So there is the Potential to Explore another Layer of Cake, that would give us the Bio-Mechanical Element.

If such a PLOT can reveal those LV-426 Eggs are NOT a creation of Davids...  We can CLOSE the Door to ALIEN.

We can then go in a few Directions...

1) Explore more of the Engineers and were else they are/have been. What else have they Created (not talking Monstrous Beasts well not limited to)

2) Explore the Creators of the Engineers were else they are/have been. What else have they Created (not talking Monstrous Beasts well not limited to) 

3) Wonder what David is up to now we know his Xenomorphs are NOT on LV-426 and what kind of a World would he Create?

These options could be explored in NOVEL Format that would allow for more depth, than such PLOTS can be done within the Confines of a Movie.

Allowing the ALIEN Franchise (Xenomorphs) to be kept to Movies.

BigDave

I mean forget the technicalities somewhat wrt to how Shaw can be in fact re-animated - it is a scifi after all.

The intriguing question is this then: when she gets her consciousness back, with all her memories, she gets on the one hand that her body is grown artificially and mind is put together by this funny guy David, yet her memory has it that she was created by some divine spirit (related to a cross and Jesus and all that), and that she has a soul and this David has none. Reconcile that. She won't get over that.

Now, imagine that meanwhile David found a way to engineer a body for himself which is opposite sex to body of Shaw, and he transfers his mind into that medium so that he and Shaw can be together. But, because I want David to suffer a bit, Shaw will be a bit tormented by her past, her memories and the reality. She takes her life. And David also should consider doing that. The alieny plot can be developed around this story so that fans don't commit suicide.

ps: oh, I see you, BigDave you got the memo and caught the idea and elaborated it.(now that I read your post and that you have been pondering about it rather long ago, it is me who caught up) Guess what, that will never happen - this won't make it as it has no chance to meet the constraints. But it would make a nice drama in space.

Special Order 937 would surely be a Follow up to what ever David had been up to, were at the Point this was Issued it would have to be that the Derelict is the ONLY source related to the Xenomorph.

This can play out with either a David Created it or David Created his own Version Plot.

If we go for the David Does-Not Create it PLOT then i feel those who were UP IN ARMS of the David Creator Plot Can-Not have their Cake and Eat it.

By that having David Revealed to make a Cheap Knock Off!

There must be some Element to Davids Xenomorph that has Advantages, such as being able to be CONTROLLED!

Then we need to have Davids Xenomorphs Destroyed... the Company Discover the Engineers had similar on LV-426 but their Hubris is thinking they could CONTROL these or Reverse Engineer them to become Controlled like how David's could.

I think this is a good thread, as we all can (hopefully) learn something about our preferences.

BigDave

BrEXIT has stakeholders galvanized around two diametrically opposed options. Meanwhile, Alien aficionados, even the sample we get here, are struggling to put up something constructive. That is, it looks like nobody knows what precisely it should look like, but everybody has some some aspects they definitely don't want to see. The mode is discriminatory rather than constructive. As if there are many options on the table to discriminate one against the other. This all looks like a design by a committee and as expected, nothing good will come from this, because no single solution will make everybody happy. But fear not - the movie is down to few key people. They will decide, not "fans". Fans only get to complain.

And I don't protest in this case, because, in my reckoning, Ridley has done fantastic job with Prometheus. He lost the momentum a bit with AC, but he still can make amends and finish on a high. I would also like to remind what Ridley said once - the movie critics don't matter to him. He is ahead of the curve. I also like what Mark Kermode, who is a proper movie critic, pointed out - fans don't matter. So I hope Ridley sticks to his guns and finishes his ideas as he wanted. I hope he isn't swayed by fans through executives.

I am a bit sorry for precipitating on your parade Gavin by being rather pessimistic in tone, but I expect it to be validated if at the end of the thread you just tally out how many viable options would've been put on here, and how many of them, if any, satisfies everybody's wishes.

I actually enjoyed the journey of David. I think it is important, as it is the core of the story of P, which is about technology. His character is in his teen years. He was born frisky and inquisitive and powerful. He gained some experience. In Covenant he matured somewhat - he experienced losses (Shaw, Peter). Now I want him to reflect a bit, for him to lose his childish friskiness and agility and become pensive. I would like to see him depressed. And perhaps a bit more reconciliatory. Perhaps he should fail a bit more. He should suffer a bit and actually recall and appreciate the observation made by his "brother", Walter, that he is not infallible and therefore not perfect - that he is not a "god" in its ultimate superlative meaning. In other words he needs to learn humility.

@BioDegradable

I think however there are some interesting ideas...

Some Fans did feel it was in-just to have taken Dr Shaw out, as she could have had a interesting role to play. What does she Discover and would it Support her FAITH or Prove again that she was WRONG?

She HAD Nothing... No Parents, No Partner, all she wanted NOW was here Answers to WHY we was created, and WHY they decided to Destroy us, she CANT see why her GOD would want to Destroy us and she does-not accept the Engineers are our GODs and so WHO Created them?

These are some Questions that some Prometheus Fans would have wanted to see answered, and what IMPACT the Answers could have on HER.... so it was Wasted for how she was KILLED off in Alien Covenant.

Here is a important FACT that may have influenced her choice....  we know that she cant have CHILDREN... and IF she could then maybe she would have wanted to Go Home!

Bare this in mind because it connects to a interesting PLOT you Proposed!

Resurrect Dr Shaw!  for some this may seem a Dumb idea for some they never liked her Character, but that could have been changed.  There are a FEW problems to consider with this IDEA.

1) How does David do this, he would need the TOOLS and Technology to do so, and her DNA.  (But maybe the Engineers had the Tools, or/and maybe the Covenant does, because of the Embryos and how they would Incubate).

So the Black Goo (could be used with her DNA to then Imprint her DNA into a Embryo or Zygote). But we have to ask would this Create a Exact Clone?  (Dane Hallett had suggested as far as some of those Dr Shaw Concepts that maybe David could Resurrect Dr Shaw over and over, or Clone her or they are just his Cruel Imaginations of what he wanted to do).

2)  Assuming that David manages to CLONE her, then its HOW does she gain her SOUL? You Suggested the Dream Visor but then this would be so Convenient that David has obtained this from the Wreckage of the Prometheus or by  it was on the Life-Boat but then it was just as Convenient that they Salvaged a lot as shown in the Crossing Viral and Alien Covenant. 

Dr Shaw's Dreams and Memories could have been STORED in David's AI Memory but then its HOW would they be Transferred back to Dr Shaw?  This is where the Dream Visor could become a Plot Convenience!  Unless there was another way for David to UPLOAD her Soul to a New Body!

I have taken time to address that PLOT because its something similar i had Pondered for My Prometheus 2 (not regarding Dr Shaw though) and then Pondered similar with Dr Shaw for my Alien Covenant 2/3 Ideas (although the Body is not hers).

Dr Shaw believes in the AFTER-LIFE, and Weyland had maybe turned to this, or indeed Dr Shaws Findings in order to meet his maker to be granted More/Eternal Life

Is there such a THING?

Maybe a Trickery Subject to tackle, maybe ONE that should be avoided or given a TWIST!

So INDEED if we had a Dr Shaw Resurrected with SOME of her Memories Transferred over... when she AWAKENS would she wonder where she is?  Would she KNOWN she Died?

This depends if these Latter Memories would have been Transferred.   A Dr Shaw Awakening would FIT with the Alien: Awakening Title.

My Alien Covenant Sequels (ideas) where to introduce a Female Synthetic Construct which in one variation of the idea, i had it that David would Transfer Dr Shaws Memories to IT.

So this could WORK as a Plot....

David would Surely NOT want all her Memories Transferred over because she would be AWARE of the Horrors he had committed.  We have to Consider HOW likely would it be that David could Create a Exact CLONE!

So here are a Few Alternatives.

1) The Body is a Creation of Davids, a Evolved/Advanced Humanoid he Engineers.

2) The Body is a Human Colonist.

In either Case... Dr Shaw would see herself as herself, and maybe David would see her as Dr Shaw too..   This means they can CAST Noomi Rapace. again.

But we have to have a TWIST!  at some point Dr Shaw looks into a Mirror and what she sees is NOT herself, this would Confuse Her... Worry Her..  David would then have to confide in her that SHE had died and in EFFECT what David has Granted her is  Resurrection which her FAITH Teaches her.

Dr Shaw could REJECT this... she would say that David had Cheated her from her FATE...  David could then tell her what he knew about the Engineers and that there is NO after-life as per her FAITH or GOD... but that HE had managed to Achieve this for her. (this would make him appear he has become a GOD).

She would rather be Dead.... this is when David reveals to her that while the BODY is not hers, the SOUL is and this Body can Bare Children!  This could certainly Change her Mind!

But at some point we would need a REVEAL. does Dr Shaw encounter Daniels who reveals what Horrors David has committed, or does the Revelation of seeing herself in the Mirror and knowing she is just a Memory Passed on by David allow her to unlock some Dark Secrets/Memories of David?

Another TWIST on this would be WHAT if it was Daniels Body that was used!  After she sees her reflection, we get the prior Plot as above, but at some point this Triggers some of Daniels Memories... these Gradually Resurface and then she discovers the Horrific Truth about what David had done... 

This kind of Plot would allow for Noomi Rapace to play a Role and Katherine Waterston and as Dr Shaw's Soul Fades, we could have Daniels Carry her Crucifix and get a Deep Connection to Dr Shaw her Loss/Gain.

Why Daniels could even Give Birth to a Girl and name her in Dr Shaws Name... Elisabeth.

But such a PLOT while Imaginative, would it be something that would appeal to the ALIEN/ALIENS Fanbase, and it appeared FOX felt such things would not interest them and that Xenomorphs would and HENCE we got Alien Covenant.

@BioDegradable

I dont want this to be taken the wrong way, but when you made a Valid Point to some of the ideas in regards to we have to bare in mind Constraints of a 2-2.5 Hour Movie and having to Conclude the Prequels in a SINGLE Movie.   You are very right to point out it puts any Plot into a Straight Jacket.  

But while the alternative you offered may have some interesting elements, i think again such a PLOT would also be HARD to pull off in a 2.5 Hour Movie, not without Sacrificing a Lot of Character Development.  Look at Alien Covenant as a Synopsis its Plot was not that Deep/Complex.

Thats  No Disrespect to your idea, or others on here but its sticking to the VALID point you made... IF we are do have ONE Movie that has to Conclude the Prequels then this is a Mammoth Task, a lot of stuff has to be Thrown Under the Bus like the Engineers and Dr Shaw were in Alien Covenant.

Because any Concluding Movie would be expected to show/conclude on of the Following.

1) HOW/WHEN/WHY do David's Xenomorphs get onto LV-426 on the Derelict and look a LITTLE Different.

2) EXPLAIN/SHOW that David's Xenomorphs Do-Not get onto LV-426/Derelict  (But then some Fans will also want to know HOW those Eggs got there IF they are not Davids).

We are about 17.5 Years from ALIEN and by the Time the Covenant Ship goes to Origae-6 we have about a 10 year Window until the Nostromo Crew Arrive at LV-426 and Discover the Derelict/Pilot/Cargo that appear to have been there a VERY Long Time.

If David goes to LV-223/426 i can only estimate that we would be left 17 years (+ Few Months maybe).

We would need to see David's Xenomorph Evolve into what we see in ALIEN and be shown in their Thousands (Eggs) on a Engineer Ship leaving room to cover how surely the Eggs/Derelict had been there for only a matter of Weeks/Months.

Or we would have to have a Movie that Provides some Conclusive Evidence that the LV-426 Derelict and Cargo had been there for a LONG Time and Davids Xenomorph's are NOT the same as in ALIEN/ALIENS..  But fans would also want to KNOW about those LV-426 Eggs.

These TWO routes have to be the END GAME, and to cover those will take up a Portion of a SINGLE Movie, that would LIMIT what the rest could show... 

It would be expected to have Eggs and Xenomorphs and some Fans would expect to see the more Classic Xenomorph make a Appearance regardless of which of those TWO routes they would take.

You would also have to have Human Characters for the Audience to Gauge with, which could be NEW incoming Humans or Survivors of the Covenant.

These Points would have to be the MUST include for any Conclusion Movie....  This leaves LESS Time to Introduce/Re-Introduce other Plots. 

The way around this would be either.

A) A 3 Hour Movie, but would the Studio do that, because its getting Fans (casual) to come and SIT through 3 Hours of a ALIEN Movie, and then you would still have some Time Restraints..   And a Plot that Distracts from the TWO Routes etc explained earlier would maybe not get Fans Interested, for example you have to be Careful what the First 60% of a 3 Hour Movie has so that it can engage Fans to stay and Watch it up to this point, before the CLIMAX of either showing HOW Davids Eggs get on LV-426 or HOW they are NOT the Eggs on LV-426 is shown.

B) A TWO Part Movie or TWO Movies that will take us to the CLIMAX/CONCLUSIONS.  This again would come down to as i mentioned in (A) regarding the First 60% but with TWO movies you have a Total of 4-5 Hours to play around with and so instead of the Restraints of say 90-110 Minutes to COVER other things instead of/setting up the Conclusion, you have say a Majority of the First Movie to the Whole First Movie and First Act of the 2nd to Cover these other Elements.

The Problem here is that IF the First of these TWO Concluding Movies DOES-NOT Draw in Fans or Please them, then it could leave the CONCLUSION pretty much DEAD in the Water.

Who ever attempts to give us a Conclusion is going to have a VERY DIFFICULT Task and they would have more Ease, maybe being UK Government in the BREXIT Crisis LOL ;)

When faced with Ripley’s discovery of Special Order 937, Ash cheerfully voiced “There is an explanation for this, you know”.

He didn’t get a chance to expand on this, as Ripley didn’t want to hear, and it wasn’t long after that Ash went all doolally, resulting in his demise.

I’m intrigued to know what possible explanation he could have given, if he’d had the chance. The truth of the matter would certainly not have been gratefully received by any crew member. So I believe Ash was preparing to outright lie and concoct some story to win Ripley over. Since ‘crew expendable’ was part of the directive, the pretence would have to convince Ripley et al that martyrdom was worth it.

Maybe I’m not devious enough, but I’m struggling to find any kind of explanation that would appease the crew of the Nostromo.

Alien 5, sequel of alien resurrection:

'Alien: nex(to)us'

What if Helen Ripley came back as...an Android? Using the same technology of the movie 'avengers: endgame', they could make a Young Helen Ripley, and evil.

Movie synopsis

The company has a laboratory in... lv-426, conducing experiments on humans, using the knowledge about the xenomorph, to enhance bodies of men and women. A total Freakshow. When an accident occurs, Ripley is badly damaged. Xeno Acid has spilled Over its head and some...security protocols were erased. A Killer is born.

Title of the prequel of the prequel 'alien covenant':

Icarus: garden of hell

A new space expedition sets its course to planet Four, with the purpose of discover what happened to Peter weyland. A Deacon is waiting to make new friends. Shaw and David have made a big mistake, confusing home with paradise. A 'lapsus linguae' in the translation hability of David. 'When one note is off, it eventually destroys the whole symphony, David.'. the space ship Icarus leaves planet Four, Next stop: paradise. The Deacon is hiding in the ship. This Monster has the hability to make new monsters and he is highly contagious, the perfect host to the pathogen.

The reckoning of paradise is coming.

Gavin:

"The point of this thread is to share our ideas of what we hoped Paradise would have been, and could be if Paradise was revisited as the sequel to Alien: Covenant."

Alright, it would have been nice to see more about the Engineers. I would rather have it about the Engineers than what we have now. Before Alien Covenant I thought that it would have been interesting to see something more about the Engineer society how it was structured. For example how religion played a role in that, how they had their military, did they trade, and so on. The Engineers are interesting I am not sure of they make sense as the SJ scale-wise but they sure have their place in the franchise.

I do not think that we need everything to be answered. Some mystery is one of the things that is interesting about this. I would also like to say this, if they answer things then they should also put other things for us to think about. After Alien we thought about who the SJ might be, after Alien 3 I thought that what if Ripley would not have killed herself. Aliens to me is more of an action-movie although very well done it is like what you see is what you get.

"Another possibility could be that David does indeed discover an ancient biomechanical city once inhabited by the Space Jockeys and/or Xenomorphs, therefore uncovering that his recreation is in comparison a failure, echoing the corruption within him, that may be from infection, or possibly because he is inherently flawed, having been made by flawed hands."

I think that makes sense, he acts like he is a God ("they don't deserve a second chance, bla bla bla"). What if his thoughts gets questioned when he sees that his version of the monster is just a copy? Would he start to break down? This seems more human-ish and not much like an android but anyways, it is interesting since it has written him in that way.

I could buy that the Xenos already were there when David made his version, why not? Having something more about WY could be interesting and bring us more of the human element.

@Thoughts_Dreams,

You underline a point that echoes my belief that there can be narrative taken forward that appeases the majority of the fandom, as one common objection seems to regard David creating the Xenomorph. In this case, we need an alternative that keeps the Xenomorphs alien origins intact but also caters towards David's belief he created the perfect organism. One such possibility, as alluded to in the novelization of Alien: Covenant is that the Xenomorph already existed. This could be the Xenomorph we know and love, of which David has yet to encounter, and of which predates David's hybridized creation.

Another point echoed is that the story needs a human element and one that we the audience can relate to and associate with. This could give us a third narrative with a Weyland-Yutani exploring whatever remains on LV-223, with said humans encountered a matured Deacon, and uncovering some of the secrets of the Engineers and their facilities on the moon, while possibly foreshadowing the cloak and dagger mission of the Nostromo.

Please try to remember that the four paragraph "outline" is exactly that, and by no means am I suggesting that this should be the entirety of the movie, these are merely some ideas centered around David that I pondered and shared nothing more. If was to post an outline for a movie it would be much more expansive, separated into acts, with multiple narratives etc. As Biodegradable put I am spitballing ideas, ideas I would like to see in a sequel to Alien: Covenant that revisits the sequel to Prometheus we never got; Paradise.

The point of this thread is not to shoot down the likelihood of such a movie ever getting made, as such chances are virtually none. The point of this thread is to share our ideas of what we hoped Paradise would have been, and could be if Paradise was revisited as the sequel to Alien: Covenant.

As for comments on pleasing all of the fans, and comments of tying everything together, I will say this - some questions can be answered, whereas some should never be answered, and then there are questions that could be answered in a variety of ways. While exploring some questions, not exploring others and asking new questions it is possible to link the movies more cohesively together and address some of the more antagonizing inconsistencies. And this can be done in such a way that appeases, rather then pleases the majority of the fandom. Many of our debates and discussions have given us a glimpse of this, through the comparison and evidence showcasing of our many theories and postulations.

@daliens and BioDegradable,

Loving the idea of a biomechanical queen, and the much needed emotional aspects you both mention. Having Walter return is also another and opens up the possibility of another narrative that could be used to further explore and expand the mythology of the Engineers.

As for Shaw and Daniels, I suspect a poll for either's return would lean in Noomi Rapace's favor. Although having here being recreated by David though not impossible may be a stretch to explain to general audiences.

One possibility could be that the corpse of Shaw we saw in Covenant may have been a mock-up and that maybe Walter finds Shaw alive, yet transformed into the aforementioned biomechanical queen on Planet 4, possibly revealing to Walter that she was complicit in Davids plans, further putting into question the reliability of David.

Another possibility could be that David does indeed discover an ancient biomechanical city once inhabited by the Space Jockeys and/or Xenomorphs, therefore uncovering that his recreation is in comparison a failure, echoing the corruption within him, that may be from infection, or possibly because he is inherently flawed, having been made by flawed hands.

"It seems reasonably clear that Weyland himself was not searching for the Xenomorph (which, arguably, might not have even existed, as we later come to know it, at this point.)"

I agree, he seemed to be interested in getting more life and we know how that turned out.

"I don't think that Ash specifically knew that he would be bringing a xenomorph drone on board, and I don't think that his superiors did either."

He said to Ripley like "… you heard it, bring back life-form all other priorities resented "

No matter of that was his intent or not, what became the result is what counts. The company could be searching for anything they are in it for profit and could probably care less if they will find a Xeno, urns or what ever. Ash is just following orders since he is an android but I do not think that he chose the wrong organism per se.

Bring back an Engineer? The Engineers were not thought of back then so how would that be possible?

As far as comics are concerned I only care about what the movies say. To me everything else is like expanded universe.

"… now seems to me to be more of a comedy of errors made by greedy individuals within the Company rather than by the Company itself as an entity."

Companies are hierarchical so maybe those high up in the hierarchy knew about that and many just followed orders like it usually is. The company is still dangerous

Before I start this post I will say that I put things in Italics to emphasize a point, it is not there to tell people that they are stupid or like "maybe you will not understand it if I don't do like this".

"David discovered the Engineers had abandoned their work in developing the perfect organism; the Xenomorph and upon realizing he could complete their work using Shaw he turned against Shaw and the Engineers, as seen in Alien: Covenant."

Gavin: If that is the case, then wouldn't that mean that David still would be the creator of it? If so that would still be very lame. The idea before seems to be too much about David so I am not sure if that would be very good but maybe I am just misreading it. Maybe David made something and then the Engineers made it their own. As long as David is not the final creator of the monster it is alright with me. They should still have to make him less evil than he was in Covenant because I prefer when they have him as more morally ambiguous, it is more interesting that way.

"- As I stated this is what I have thus far. It would need another/parallel narrative with human characters, possibly Weyland-Yutani exploring LV-223."

That seems interesting since at least the human journey was put aside in Alien covenant.

A Blomkamp movie would be alright if it would not have Ripley in it and not remove Alien 3 out of the official time-line. Maybe we could have a movie that would be a spin-off like where they go on more about The Engineers or the Weyland company, or the Yutani side of it.

Having a Scott movie could work if it would be less about David and more about the Engineers and their connection to the SJ and the monster. Like I have said before we need human characters to sympathize with and that work or else it will fail, again. Making David the creator of the Xenos is trash so they got to get rid of that.

What ever they might choose I want it to focus on the human journey with well-made human characters. I am really tired of the android thing but then if there is anyone that finds that interesting then good for them.

If I were to propose a sequel to Covenant, I would propose the same story as in one of my posts from last October:

"David as the creator of the xenomorph bothers me a little, too. To fix that, in a sequel to Covenant, I would wake up Walter and have him explore the dead city of the engineers and beyond,  until he would find a pyramid whose interior would be heavily decorated with murals describing a xenomorph life-cycle, a race that inhabited the planet long before it was chosen to become a home world for a new civilization, that of the engineers  There would be no eggs in the pyramid because they were loaded in the hold of a strange looking ship and sent away for safety reason (that would be described in a more recent mural added by the engineers), a Juggernaut that was never seen again. The ancient murals of the xenomorph race would also depict their creation story, where a biomechanical bird-like god gave birth to the first xenomorph by ingesting some black goo from a kind of vial that remembered Walter of the vials seen in David’s lab. Some of the recently added murals would show a deadly battle between engineers and the bird-like creatures whom were defeated and the engineers then sacked their world and carried off huge quantities of plunder among which certain ampoules. Another mural, or fresco, likely the most recent of them, showed the arrival of a discoidal ship and an engineer drinking from a cup, next to a waterfall.

But if Walter was torn to pieces and unable to walk again, I would let David tell the story to a mutated but beautiful creature, like the one depicted in Giger's mural above, slightly resembling Daniels. She opens her eyes slowly, with no memories, awake from a strange dream and feeling alive, chosen, unique. She sees David smiling besides her, waiting patiently for her first words. She speaks softly: "Am I...?" "Perfect?" (David ending the sentence for her)."

Forum member setaverde is the one who posted first the link to Alien:The Play in another thread. I will not tell which one  You will find it sooner or later or never.

Thanks setaverde.

Thanks, BigDave. 

I feel like an idiot.

Strictly speaking, there are hard constraints to meet in the sequel should it ever be beamed on screens at all - it has to conclude the sequels with a fitting end so that Alien can be seen as a continuation in some way. And this has to be done in less than 2 hours and 30 minutes. RS has a sweet spot for pacing; he likes his pictures to be about 2 hours long. While you proposed a number of options Gavin, you sidestepped these agonizingly painful constraints that put the plot into rather straight jacket.

Can I use that trick as well? Because, for one thing, it is rather pointless - the movie will still be different to anything we can surmise. Two - the numerous options you threw at the wall to see if something sticks will still not capture the multiplicity of expectations of movie aficionados( the overused word 'fan' sounds a bit demeaning to be honest, and has a bad sound to it, especially in this franchise. )

What I actually want to see is for David to resuscitate Shaw by using the technology that he might have - either in the human form or some other way using her DNA that he hopefully has preserved in some shape of tissue just in case. After all he has about 2000 humans as stock and a few embryos, surely some females have zygotes that he can snip and replace the genetic material from. Lets say he can put Shaw's memories into that body using the neuro-link that he used to read off the dreams while on the Prometheus. All this is because he has a soft spot for her. And this would make the movie a bit more dramatic I guess.

He will also have to alter humans as well - evolve them, because as is they have to many vices he can't possibly tolerate. He also has his other children. What he does to them is not clear and not that important for me.

Their destination can be either LV-223 or Origae 6. Perhaps he would like to go to LV-223 to grow Shaw and to make sure the danger emanating from the Earth is placated(humans get converted into eggs with the goal of wiping the blue planet) or he goes on his way to grow a civilization of his own on Origae 6 but still goes for LV-223 to have access to the tech(goo) on the planet.

At some point a conflict is inevitable - just for fun engineers should turn up and David gets caught in their backyard. Perhaps human mission gets involved as well - a mission WY sent to find out what happened to their man - Peter W. They knew where Prometheus was going - they don't know if he is alive or not, so I suppose at somepoint they will want to know what happened to him.

As for the identity of who the fellow in the chair - I don't care in the slightest. For, it is a scarecrow figure, the enigma, a product of imagination which was there to capture initial interest in a movie released in 1979 - there is nothing more to it, for me anyways. Whoever/whatever it is, it is utterly meaningless(David, Shaw an engineer, one of his evolved children). This is roughly what I want to see - emotions. Emotions of Shaw recollecting that she is not the person she was supposed to be. David realizing that there are limits to technology and that there is perhaps an abstract thing called human soul which he, a perfect being, with all his perfection couldn't capture, save and replicate. With ambiguity used in the right places this can still be played out nicely so that many people will leave happy, unexpectedly :)

@Gavin

Regarding David i am not sure he could be infected by the Pathogen.... but that just my interpretation, the ONE thing that stood out to me about David was that he appeared to be like a Pinocchio Character in Prometheus, a Boy who is not a Boy.

In Alien Covenant it appeared that he had a Dislike for Inferior Mankind and the Engineers, but he saw Potential with the Engineers as far as what they had been doing and abandoned, which maybe is the Potential those Experiments had as far as Creating something PERFECT.

David seemed to understand the Superiority of Walter, only in Physical Form and realized the Limitations that Walter had due to his Lack of Free-Will.   You get the Impression David wants to be a Creator and a Megalomaniac of Sorts.

Ridley Scotts comments about David and "what kind of a world" it would be that David Creates in a Movie that would not be about Xenomorphs and about AI and when he considers the Replicants as AI..  when i looked at this with the TRAILER SONG  i feel is very Fitting to David in context to the Crossing.   And his comment to Daniels.. "if we are kind it would be a kind world"  this seems to indicate to me that David felt he was superior to Mankind, and he did-not like how Mankind Treated him or Each other, these are maybe reasons the Engineers wanted to Redact us too.

So (sorry for being long winded) i suspected that David would want to Give Mankind a 2nd Chance, but he would not do so for the Corrupt Colonist, but he would SAVE the Embryos but EVOLVE them as he saw Potential in what the Engineers could do, then David would then Control these beings with what ever Mythos, Rules and Religion he chooses.

This is a LITTLE Off-Topic to the Point i am trying to raise, which is that David maybe like a Pinocio would want to be a Real Boy but he sees Mankind as In-Superior...  But if David could Create a more Perfect Humanoid that is kind of Immortal, then MAYBE we could see David would want to Transfer his SOUL into this Perfection?

How does this FIT regarding my opening statement regarding David and the Pathogen and your Plot Gavin?

What if the Engineers or whoever, can Offer (or have Technology) that could offer David a Chance to be a Real Boy so to speak, well offer him a Body that is Perfect, Organic to a Degree but MUCH more Superior to Mankind.

Then either as a Hubris or Tricked by the Engineers (or whoever) David has become a Bio-Mechanical Being and then he can become infected or used to EVOLVE the Xenomorph.

Having David tricked or connected to a Apparatus that EVOLVES him could work as a route to the Final Element to make the Xenomorph Bio-Mechanical it would Tick all the Boxes for the Themes of Prometheus.

@Gavin

I think Prometheus was to set up the idea that ALL of our Religions come from Interactions with the Engineers, and so they all came from the same source, Ridley Scott had mentioned before that he saw Religion as a way to CONTROL people.  I suspect this is a theme we would see with his Raised by Wolves.  So i would agree that they have to be linked loosely... When working on some ideas for Prometheus 3 (as my Prometheus 2 was not based about David and Dr Shaw's Odyssey they would have taken up 10-15 Minutes tops).   I was trying to think when exploring the Engineers Connection HOW to Mold Different Mythos and Religions into ONE Truth, but this in itself was a difficult task.

"like to hear what others thought Paradise would/could have been."

So this reply would be a continuation to what i had put above and prior, we know the Engineer said to David that he was FROM a place we would refer to as Paradise.

This may have drawn some to conclude we would be going to some AFTER-LIFE and Heaven!   I would have consider the other Aspects Loosely.

So when i refer to the Biblical Account, i look at it as being the Cradle of Civilization, certainly maybe was far as our Origins.   So i would not be looking at it too Literally as in Context to Adam and Eve.  But more to a Place where Humanoids had maybe been Created, but certainly would DWELL within a Walled City (Garden of Eden) were these Creations could be WATCHED over and Maintained by a Equivalent of Cherubim Angels (not talking Babies with Wings lol).

I had mentioned this concept years before we had Alien Covenant when looking at possibility to what PARADISE could be.... it appears what we got in Alien Covenant is not far off this.

Who knows how more Literal you could get, because loosely you could Ponder, so HAD we seen a prior Version of Humanoids get KICKED OUT of Paradise/Planet 4, and Ridley Scott had mentioned a lot about Paradise Lost and the Engineers being Fallen Angels...  But with Alien Covenant the Paradise Lost Themes seem to point more about David.

We need to maybe NOT be going too literal but loosely would be ok...

So when looking at Paradise in other Contexts, then it commonly refers to a Place that ONLY the Righteous and Worthy are allowed to Dwell...   In Mythology and Religion this refers to a After-Life for those who Died in Battle, or with Honor, those who Died who are Innocent/Pure and those who had Appeased their Gods.

But again i dont think we should look at it TOO Literally as far as a Spiritual Realm for the Dead... but thats just something i would be Cautious of Exploring.

But Certainly as far as the Occupants being a Race/Civilization that are considered Worthy, Righteous and Pure.  In Context to the Hierarchy of the Engineers that is and their Agenda.   In Context to Planet 4 maybe this is WHY those Engineers look like they stick to a Middle-Age kind of Culture.

If we take say Amish Communities they live a Basic Life and Shun Technology for the most part, and are Highly Religious and would consider most of the ways we LIVE as being Sinful and NOT as God intended.   You could maybe see them as behaving WELL compared to some other Society of Mankind... If you was looking at it from the POV of GOD.

But again not going TOO Literal with GOD but looking at it from a Engineers Hierarchy POV, so we could look at Mankind Once Lived like those Planet 4 Engineers, until we had Civilizations that Rose and Started to Act in ways that defied what the Engineers had intended for us as far as our Behavior/Worship. 

So i Pondered Paradise would be a World like the Cradle of Creation where the most Pure/Loyal and Righteous Beings would Dwell, and that these beings would Sacrifice some of themselves to Create Life.  What Happens to those who become Sinful in the Eyes of the Hierarchy and their Intentions?

Would they be BANNED?

I think its interesting to Ponder what RS meant about the Engineers in regards to Fallen!   And what he meant by you have ONE Guy who is Handsome goes to all the Parties and Gets all the Girls, and you have another GUY who is not as Handsome stays at Home being Boring?

A reference to Planet 4 Engineers (Stay at Home) and LV-223 (goes to all the Parties)?

If RS was looking at Paradise Lost maybe we also had to consider what was the FALL.... the Fallen Angels lead by Lucifer had refused to Worship their GOD/Creator as Superior and also refused to Worship Gods New Creation Mankind.    These Angels were Tossed out of Heaven and Punished by God to become Serpents (Mutated) could this PLAY a role as far as the Difference between the Engineers?

RS had said the Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals, and he had talked about AI as in context to Replicants, so maybe those LV-223 Engineers were Engineered Creations and like the Replicants to those Planet 4 Engineers, maybe to replace them for Sacrifices to Seed Worlds?

Maybe they was then intended to be Punished by Something, and they saw this Punishment as a way to Birth Life (if we assume Prometheus Engineers could not procreate like earlier Replicants).  They then saw this Punishment as something that they could Engineer (using Stolen Creation Tool) and this is maybe WHY those LV-223 Engineers had that Technology?

This is one of the ideas i had prior to Alien Covenant, but then looking at Alien Covenant those Engineers had Bio-Mechanical Technology to a degree... so maybe that dont add up.

So SORRY if this seems like its going off Topic.. i would have to think about what is PARADISE now...

But when working on ideas for a Prometheus 3 in 2013/2014 i had considered (one of my 2/3 ideas that are different variation)  that David and Dr Shaw arrived at Paradise (or other Engineer World)  a Place FAR FAR away from Earth.  Where this Place was like a Cradle of Life were we would have had Engineers (not masses of them) we would have had Humans, and maybe a few other Humanoids that LIVE in Harmony and would be used as Sacrifices to Seed Worlds selected from this Genetic Stock.

I would have revealed some Conflict between Engineers (and their Creators), and what would happen is those beings would be quite welcoming to Dr Shaw until she starts to ASK Questions, which these Engineers then worried would Corrupt/Influence the other Humanoids on this World. 

So their Motives to Dr Shaw turn bad, but then David Unleashes Hell on their Asses...

Thats kind of HOW i was pondering Paradise... which would not have had a Massive Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic but some... but then i also had pondered another WORLD that was very Bio-Mechanical, where these Machines if you would are revealed as the Creators of the Universe.

I just could not Merge all of these together in a way i felt would do it Justice so i abandoned it.

@Gavin

Well this would never happen as it would be very expensive with  a limited appeal and very few opportunities to merchandise. It would only contain 4 human looking characters out of which 3 are megalomaniacs, and neither of the 4 actors would draw big money for Disney.

Why bring Wallace into the stew, as many say he was the weakest link in BR49 (a movie owned by Sony) and serves pretty much the same story function as Weyland. Only for fan-service? The same with the Necronomicon name, which after 35 years of Ash Williams rings only of fan-service reference to Lovecraft and Giger, but ultimately boring cliche by now. 

Ultimately it is a money problem and I don't see how can Disney risk making something else than a remake or a soft-reboot telling the same story as in Alien or Aliens.

Btw, your story has many points similar to a story a read sometime ago.

@daliens

The LINK is.... 

Alien The Play Full Show North Bergen NJ High School 4K

I think a thing to remember is those working on the Movies dont really CARE about continuity or put much thought into how to bring about intended Plots.

So Regardless if the Derelict is 200KM, 100KM, or 10KM and the Blast was the Size of Nebraska, IF they decide they want to make another movie to explore the Derelict then it would not matter as they would just show us the SHIP had Survived the Destruction of Hadleys Hope.

At the Moment we could Ponder that it is maybe Destroyed, because the Company (W-Y) pursued Ripley and (USM) then waited 200 years to Clone her.

But it could be Buried.... and Discovered again.

IF they want to make another ALIEN movie and they want a SIMPLE Plot to bring back the Classic Xenomorph or Aliens Xenomorph, then the Derelict is a MASSIVE Plot Convenience.

So potentially we cant rule out the Derelict had survived, and IF they bring out another ALIENS like movie which i think down the road (5-10 years) they would, then its likely even IF this Movie is not about Ripley, that they would Recover the Derelict Once More.

Its nice that some of us are trying to work out HOW the Ship would be effected, and throwing in the IDEA of a Radioactive/Mutated Cargo  but if they decided to bring back the Derelict i would not be surprised it would be INTACT and Cargo as in ALIENS.

I think they would have to also explain away WHY they had not obtained any Xenomorph or Related from LV-223, Planet 4 and Origae-6 by the time we are at ALIEN. As these would surely Conflict with the Companies Pursuit of Hadleys Hope, then Ripley.

IF these Places are explained as Yielding NO Xenomorphs then they need to keep the DERELICT as that Plot Convenience to bring back the Xenomorph in Future.

So i feel we have NOT seen the Derelict for the Last Time, even if we DONT Finish the Prequels, then i think we would see the Derelict Resurrected at some point.

Maybe Sooner than Later if we see Cameron Successfully get the Support of Disney to give us Blomkamps Alien 5 which i would NOT mind provided they DROP the Ripley and Bring Back the Gang Characters...

@ daliens, 

I invite constructive criticism, and would, as I asked in the OP, like to hear what others thought Paradise would/could have been. In reply to your points...

 - Yet Scott wants David front and center for the prequel trilogy, as evidenced by Davids role and Shaw's off-screen death in Covenant. Like it or not David is the prequel trilogy.

- As I stated this is what I have thus far. It would need another/parallel narrative with human characters, possibly Weyland-Yutani exploring LV-223.

- I Thought you were championing David as the creator of the Xenomorph? I included this part to appease both sides of the debate.

- The truths revealed would not actually be "delusions" but the AI of the Pathogen interfacing with David, this would be shown by the truths answering things we know of the franchise that David doesn't.

- or to the Chestburster coming out of Kane, or the cocooned colonist, or spike the dog, or... you get the point.

- To be blunt fuck Ripley, Hicks and Newt, those characters have had their time.

- The origin of the eggs on LV-426 should remain a mystery. Not all questions should be answered.

- Blomkamp should make an Alien movie, he just needs to remove Ripley, Hicks, and Newt from the narrative and use his ideas to further the franchise rather than needlessly revisiting a narrative that has already been concluded.

- Captain Marvel is probably Disney/Marvels least popular character. Disney wants to dominate the industry and to do that they need plenty of content from franchises they can pool from. This is why they bought Fox, to add to their catalog of said franchises.

@BigDave,

I agree that some of the religious elements you frequently bring up should be included, but not overtly. I think such elements should be inferred and ambiguous, such as the crucified pose in seen the Giger painting I referenced for the Necronomicon interface.

@chli However Sauron and Darth Vader are not the Devil in those stories. Morgoth (literally the first born and most puwerful angel-like Ainur, the creator of the Balrogs and the orcs) and Palpatine are. Sauron in the Lord of the Rings is not at his most powerful he was already defeated, lost his physical form and only reappears as a spirit-like presence at the end of the Third Age. And one could argue that Vader was the most powerful in Revenge of the Sith before being mutilated and burnt.

The Jordan family travel in a Daihotai Tractor which can travel up to 150 km/h (the terrain probably won’t allow such a speed though). According to the novel “Alien: River of Pain”, the Derelict is about 4 hours’ journey away from Hadley’s Hope. Let’s say they travel at a speed of 50 km/h, then the Derelict would be about 200 km away. That would probably suffice for the Derelict and the eggs to still be there, intact and waiting . . .

BigDave

As fans, I think we need another movie to conclude this epic saga. Like Sauron or Darth Vader, the Devil (David) is now at the height of his power. He is set free. With his army of “wolves” he can destroy mankind and what else kind of “intelligent” life there is in the galaxy/universe. There would have to be some kind of apocalypse where Satan is overthrown and put into chains again.

That would be an interesting kind of flash back scene.

But there will be fans complaining for various reasons:

- they don't want to see another film about David 

- there are no human characters they can relate to

- David still appears to be the creator of the biomechanical xenomorph, although by accident

- the truths behind the Engineers, Space Jockeys and the Alien, being revealed to a delusional David, are therefore delusions

- some fans would compare the chestburster coming out of David with the baby octopus that came out of Shaw

- more fans would be disappointed that Ripley, Newt and Hicks  still did not make the return to the franchise

- others will debate if the eggs from LV426 are still there and what is their source

- while others would say that Blomkamp must do the next film because at least we can enjoy a proper bug hunt and some military jokes

- last but not least, Disney would not greenlight the production because they don't GAF about Alien as long as Captain Marvel cashes in.

Thoughts_Dreams, the green one suits well in the Star Wars franchise. 

What is that link about, setaverde?

I can't watch any video now. Not even Alien: The Play.

Alien: The Play, by North Bergen High School.

Enjoy!

I think thats a interesting idea...

There certainly was a lot of Scope to HOW a sequel would have gone to Prometheus, and i think its a case of how INTERLINKED where the Xenomorph like Organisms and Engineers Technology, because Aesthetically there was a Connection

I think while some are disappointed with Prometheus as far as the Aesthetic, it appeared they may have given us a more HR Giger Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic, which they had severely toned down for Alien Covenant.

while Prometheus was interesting, i felt that they needed to cover the Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic a bit more in any sequels, or explain WHERE this came from.   The Creation, Sub-Creation, Hubris and Rebellion Plot could have been explored but taken to another LEVEL.

I think that incorporating a bit of the UNUSED elements from STARBEAST and HR Gigers ideas would have been a Good Starting Point.

There are some interesting Pointers from Ridley Scotts comments after Prometheus about where they are off to NEXT..

*Ridley Scott did not want to meet GOD in the First Movie.

*Ridley Scott felt the Sacrificial Full Scene and Extended Engineer Scenes had taken away a bit of Mystery.

*David and Dr Shaw would be off to the Planet where these Engineers came from.  They would Discover these beings who are NOT Gods, and are FAR from Benevolent.

*But David was bringing Hell with him, and what happens when the Black Goo infects a GOD or a Machine?

While also stating the idea would be to STEER away from ALIEN and the Xenomorph.  Some interested bits of information from the above...  Certainly NEVER set up a Plot like we got in Alien Covenant.

Certainly chli

When considering a U-Turn  you have to ask had they considered the inconsistencies in the Franchise that would arise depending on HOW they would Tackle the Xenomorph Origins.

I think this i a Problem with doing a Prequel, it will have some Fans expecting a Literally Chronological Route, but then there are other ways you can do a Prequel without having to go the Direct Route.  

For example if Prometheus had a Engineer Ship with a Egg Cargo, and these Eggs lead to a different Face Hugger and a Deacon/Neomorph looking Organism, then MOST fans should have been able to make a connection, especially if David then mentioned these Engineers had Created such Organisms in many Forms.  Then we would surely had been able to Conclude that the other Outposts are maybe where the Space Jockey had left Thousands of Years ago and you would NOT have had to show the Space Jockey event or even Traditional Xenomorphs... but some Fans may have wanted such anyway.

Prometheus offered much more Vague Clues but was enough for us to consider the connection but also have some Mystery....  How many may have wished for that now...  "Be Careful what you wish for"

So here is the Situation we have now if we ASSUME that David had begun the Process of the Xenomorph Origins.

Planet 4 appears to be close to LV-223 certainly is about a Years Travel from Earth (Give or take Few Months). This could put the Covenant Ship within the same kinds of Speeds as the Nostromo. 

Origae-6 however is a Further 7 years and 4 Months, and so IF we have David taking the Covenant to Origae-6 he would not arrive until 10 years prior to the events in ALIEN. (give or take)  And so for David to then leave Origae-6 and head to LV-223 with the Covenant would take David another 7.5 years give or take...

so IF we have David go to Origae-6 it is likely that his EGGS at some point would end up on a Engineer Ship that arrives at Origae-6 and then Departs to head to LV-223 with Davids Xenomorphs.... or it arrives at LV-223 with his Xenomorphs and then attempts to Depart LV-223.

Also have to consider that Davids Xenomorph would have to have some Evolving to do, in order to become those Xenomorphs on LV-426... the Question is WHEN/WHERE and HOW they are Evolved.

And then also WHO is the Space Jockey, as indeed a Synthetic Surely CANT be Infected?

The Size and Aesthetic Differences between the Derelict, Juggernaught, and Space Jockey and Engineers could just be something we have to accept as a OVERSIGHT...  The Time-Difference maybe too as its a HARD SELL to get us to buy the IDEA that the Derelict has been on LV-426 with those Eggs for like what Sub 10 years!

Maybe their is some Convenient Plot Elements.... the Thousands of Colonist, Davids Advent Message and maybe the way Walters Construction seems to be different.

Are these to Spoon Feed that Thousands of Colonist = Eggs, that a Advanced Synthetic Construct (Part Organic) plays the Role in HOW the Xenomorph become more Bio-Mechanical?  At a Great Hubris to David?

Ridley Scott seems to PAINT a different Picture with his comments about the Sequel, and HOW it would be 2-3 Movies away from ALIEN (with 17-18 years to go?) and it would NOT be about the Xenomorph but AI and what KIND or a World would David Create/Build?

A Plot that could be a bit of a Distraction, as NOW we are in Direct Prequel Territory the Fans are going to want to know.. HOW/WHEN those Eggs get on the Derelict and WHY they appear to NOT be the same Xenomorph as in Alien.

If we are to continue with the IDEA of David was the First to Create the Xenomorph Prototype if you would, then some Fans would think maybe a more Direct Route of HEAD to LV-223 which we could assume would take Months for the Covenant and then see David experiment on LV-223 with those Colonist to make those Eggs.

Who knows what route they had in mind... it appears that the Next Movie was looking to be something the Fans would not expect and the 3rd Act would set up another Movie or TWO where we would start to see the Xenomorph and its Evolution and Eventual Fate of being on that Derelict on LV-426

I think they would have a HARD TASK to make any Origins Continuation from this point that revolves around David and the Eventual Conclusion of HOW his Creations end up on the Derelict on LV-426

Certainly as far as what would please the Fans. (Majority)

Ridley Scott, you continue to inspire the Youth of the world in doing magnificent things like This One.

 https://youtu.be/DX3VaFG7AvU

Well, we can at least agree on there having been different kinds of creatures throughout history (in the Alien universe)? It’s only a matter of definition if we call them xenomorph or something else (deacon, neomorph, ultramorph, protomorph etc). They are all dangerous monsters sprung from the black goo (from the beginning there might have been a species of some kind).

But the question is, is it David’s “creation” that ends up on the Derelict on LV-426?

If David is supposed to be the originator of the monster we see in Alien, then we must explain the differences in traits between what we see in AC and Alien. We must also explain why the Derelict looks ancient and the Space Jockey fossilized. It's about 18 years between the happenings in AC and Alien. Space is vast. It took the Prometheus crew 2,2 years to get to LV-223. How far is it between Planet 4 or Origae-6 and LV-426? We must also come up with a plausible theory about who the Space Jockey is. If it’s David, how do we explain the appearance and size of the Space Jockey? How did he get infected when he doesn’t trigger the eggs on Planet 4 (being a synthetic)?

I had never seen the Engineer looking in the window at Dr. Shaw oduodu, thank you.

This topic sure aged well scrounger.

In the Alien: River of Pain and Alien: Sea of Sorrows, the aliens Weyland-Yutani came across in were different from the Engineers seen on LV-223 and Planet 4.

"Anne froze. Now she understood why the corridors were so high and so wide. They hadn’t been built this size for the sake of grandeur, but simply for scale. The remains of this new creature were more humanoid than the first, but even larger than the others—nine feet, Anne guessed. All that remains of its body was it’s skeleton – bones inside some kind of exo-suit of the same design as the ship, with the same techno—organic texture."

Alien: River Pain, page 169.

It is unclear what was found in the vessel on LV-178 in Alien: Sea of Sorrows and this species could certainly be something we haven't seen yet in film.

@hox

;)   I see your insight, this reflects that Image i Posted Last, and it exactly what i was going to bring up.

Firstly for Ridley Scott to say this Bio-Weapon is something that they use to Clean Worlds so they then can Re-Use the said Worlds must indicate the Engineers Bio-Weapon has a Certain Half-Life or they have means to Nullify the Weapon so as that they can then use the World for Re-Seeding.

HERE is the Problem!

If we assume and look at Prometheus Clues, and Alien Engineers as far as Sacrificial Goo/Scarabs and Urn Goo/Scarabs then its clear that the Sacrificial Goo/Scarabs will break down and consume the DNA/Traits of a Organism and then this is then PASSED onto other Life to Evolve it into a Hybrid.

So if those Urns contain Engineer DNA, then a Bombardment would kind of RE-START the Creation Cycle as Life Would be Destroyed and New Life Created from this.   A Problem with this would be to ask does any Intelligent Life-form that are Mutated by the Black Goo, still retain a lot of the Memory/Intelligence from prior?

So if Mankind would be Mutated to Engineer Hybrids, then would these Humanoids have the Knowledge and Memory that made them behave in ways the Engineers felt was a risk?

Alien Covenant showed the Black Goo could be Programed in a  Different way, as those Engineers were NOT Evolved, the Pathogen just attacked their Molecular Structure and Calcified them.

So maybe the Goo can be Programed to Attack Certain Genomes... so say it could be Programed to only effect lets say Primates/Humanoids and Kill them... but not affect other Life?  What a more Perfect World Cleaning Tool this would make?

Regarding Planet 4... indeed i wonder if this is the Gene-Pool the Engineers take Sacrifices from to Seed Worlds.    If we look at the Scarabs from Alien Engineers, and assume the Sacrificial Goo could break down a ENGINEER and then Store this New Material/Pathogen into Urns, then would NOT dropping those Engineer DNA Urns be a more EVOLVED Seeding Method than the Drop a Lone Engineer off to a World to Drink from a CUP?

The Engineers chosen for this Ritual would see this as a Great Honor, their Sacrifice allows them to be Immortalized in both their Genetic Material would Create New Life, but they also then have MONUMENTS (Statues) Erected in the City Plaza in Honor of their ACT!

To me this makes PERFECT sense.....

But how does those Experiments come into play?  The LV-223 Engineers and Ridley Scotts comments about AI (Replicants) and how those Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals seems to be the Answer in Part.

I will cover this latter... but suffice to say, WHY would the Engineers spend over 35'000 years experimenting with Horrific Weapons to then wait until a certain time to then Unleash them on Earth... while showing us MAPS to this place over the course of many Thousands of years.

The way i look at LV-223 was a Nursery/Greenhouse to Test and Evolve their Creations (NOT Xenomorphs) but at some-point something happened that lead to them starting to see the Perfection in such Experiments.

The only Problem with these kinds of ideas, is they STEER away from ALIEN as far as being about the Xenomorph or Similar... but that seemed to be the Intention of the Prequels anyway before the U-TURN in Alien Covenant.

I think if we look at the Experiments on Planet 4 then a few things would spring to mind.

WHERE would David had obtained a Egg?

1) If it was FOUND as it was, then we would have to ASK how STUPID are the Engineers to just leave a Egg around on their Home-World knowing the Threat it Possesses...  Maybe they only had kept a Dead Egg/Face Huger so there is NO Harm/Risk... but the Evidence people draw to about the EGG being Found as it was, is from the NOVEL and if i recall (dont quote me) David also said he had to Euthanize the Hostile Creature so the EGG was not a DUD and so a Threat to those Engineers.

2) There was too much of a Coincidence in the Egg and Face Hugger in Alien Covenant and those in ALIEN/ALIENS which would make sense if David's Workshop was where this Organism had Originated From!

However if we consider the Egg Fresco in Prometheus, then its open for us to assume that those Egg Casings Existed before even though they MAY or MAY-NOT contain different types of Face Hugger.

So we can also Ponder these Origins.

3) David had obtained a Egg from LV-223 (or LV-426) and had taken it with him, we have to Bare in Mind that ONCE we had been shown Dr Shaw was in Cryo-Sleep, David would be FREE to do what ever he wanted and he had LEARNED their Ways (Engineers) which maybe influenced his decision maybe to Destroy them. So we cant rule out David had obtained a Egg, there is NO Evidence in Alien Covenant to suggest HOW LONG it was before Dr Shaw had been Awoken or Escaped from her Slumber... it could have been Days, Weeks, Months after the Bombardment leaving David time to take his Egg to the Citadel.   And so David then experimented on this EGG, but then WHY the other Experiments?  The only Logical Conclusion would be that David attempted to Re-Engineer his own Version of the Egg and used Various other Organisms and the Neomorph to make a Hybrid. 

David would not have needed to go through this EFFORT however... he could have used Black Goo on the Face Hugger, but then would David had been happy at just Replicating the Engineers Creation?   I feel that David making his own DIFFERENT version fits more with his Psyche and the Themes of Prometheus.

4) When David had learned of their Ways and Secrets he had discovered the Blue-Prints of HOW the Engineers had Created the Xenomorph, and all he had that was related to them was the Neomorph Spores and Black Goo and so he began the Process of trying to Replicate the Xenomorph but also to put his own TWIST/STAMP on it.

I think there are differences between the Xenomorph of the Franchise and David's Xenomorph, while some Fans see David's as a Cheap Knock Off.... i dont think they can have their CAKE and EAT IT...   Some Elements of the Xenomorph in Alien Covenant appear to be a Improvement over the Original.

Yet it lacks the more Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic of the Original and its a Question of where does this come from?  in the Scenarios of David just Re-Created it, then they WOULD-NOT have to give his Xenomorph any Bio-Mechanical Features, just Evolve it as far as Intelligence and Ability for David to Control it.

Such a Feat would be a ideal PRIZE for the Weyland-Yutani Company to Obtain and IF all of Davids Xenomorphs are LOST but they are aware that the Engineers Version is on LV-426 then the Company could see this as a Avenue to Obtain and Experiment with to Achieve what David had done.

THIS...... wont sit well with some Fans HOWEVER...

They would NOT only want the Xenomorph to NOT be a Creation of David's they would also LIKELY not want to see Davids Version as being anything but IN-SUPERIOR.

There is a FIX!

David Creates the Precursor to the Xenomorph, and the Engineers (or those above them) arrive and see that David has taken their secrets and Created something Superior.  But something NOT-QUITE Perfect... so these beings then take David's Xenomorph and EVOLVE it, where using LV-223 would be a Ideal Place and would get us to NEXT DOOR to LV-426

Only PROBLEM?

The Derelict/Space Jockey looks much much more Older than being on LV-426 for like 10-18 years....

SOLUTION?

Why in the ALIEN Franchise would they pursue LV-426 and then Ripley?   What about Origae-6 or LV-223...

The Space Jockey was said to have performed a Heroic Act....

So the Logical Conclusion would be that some of them, decide to DESTROY LV-223 and the Destruction of LV-223 Causes a Tear in Time/Space that sends the Derelict thats escaping LV-223  Many Thousands of Years into the Past! And onto LV-426

I think something like this could SALVAGE the Xenomorph Origins....  it certainly has to be better than the David Creates it in its Entirety and we have to accept the Derelict/Eggs have been on LV-426 for No-More than 17 years

Or we just PRETEND the Prequels Never Happened... maybe Cameron/Blomkamp can Reboot it like with the with the Alien 3 Never Happened?