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No worries dk, another movie would surely suck enough to satisfy our complaining tendencies! ;)

There's also an intriguing note scribbled on tape at the bottom of the console (sorry, I don't have a snap). It says something like 'TELL PARKER / 1K DEG MALFUNCTION'. Such attention to detail is marvellous.

I got it on iTunes yesterday. Very crisp. I was intrigued to see that David Giler managed to wangle his name (D Giler) into the Nostromo navigation console display! Sorry about the poor quality of this screenshot - I used my phone to take a snap of my TV.

Happy ALIEN Day to everyone!

Hope it's a good one, with an exciting announcement!

Needless to say, later on I'm going to watch my favourite movie, by my favourite director, with my favourite Morb & my favourite celluloid kitty! :D

Love the poster, thanks daliens!

I agree with most of what you say, BigDave, but I have some thoughts:

• Even if the conclusion is that a queen lays the eggs (Aliens), it doesn’t mean that the xenomorph wasn’t created. A queen could be the thing they created after much experimentation (probably involving hominid sacrifice). A queen might be what we see in the mural (which is also what David wants).
• In Prometheus, David says that the virus isn’t airborne (although this is contradicted in AC). He knows how Holloway was infected. So, they weren’t running from the black goo itself, they were running from something chasing them. We have the cry which is heard in the hologram and the running engineers. Isn’t the thing which makes that cry what causes the engineers to run?
• If the conclusion is that the Derelict and the eggs are thousands of years old, then so is the beacon. It would then make sense that W-Y did intercept the signal even before the Prometheus mission. “Mother” would, therefore, know about the signal even on Nostromo’s way to Thedus (where the science officer is replaced by Ash). However, if the signal wasn’t there on Nostromo’s way to Thedus, then the Derelict can only have been on LV-426 for about a year or so. Would the Space Jockey look fossilized after a year?

Ridley fans prefer not to talk about Aliens.

I could make a list of faux, but that would mean to watch the film again :)

It's Alien Day today. Maybe I will watch it on Aliens Day :)

Happy Alien Day! :)

I will later post an alien graphic I created. 

Maybe I will watch an Alien making of documentary, some of the short films, ... 

I am looking forward to the animated episode ... and some official announcements regarding the sequels

This is why I said "unless I'm mistaken"...

Seem's I was mistaken.

As for Lamberts/Bretts feet... if Cameron had done such a faux pas, would Ridley fans be so forgiving?

Medical potential? Like for euthanizing, right?

Happy Alien Day!

And what? Alien have a great medical potential.

"Yeah, only Ripley speaks of alien as a bioweapon. Paranoia."

Maybe. But it's also proof that W-Y had a weapon division and what better purpose the alien would serve, knowing that they deliberately sent Ash on Nostromo and rerouted the ship towards LV426?

Or do you prefer spoon feeding?

Like this one?

Gavin regarding Brett's feet in Lambert's death scene, the editing is so good that I don't know how many viewers realized it. I found out about it from an interview with Veronica Cartwright and she said she wore boots all the time during filming. I could see that in the scene when the crew fights the out of control Ash, but in that scene the last thing one cares about is Lambert's footwear.

Lambert's way of dying was decided in the last moment, out of many previous versions, so they used what they had during editing, I don't think it's an oversight.

Yeah, only Ripley speaks of alien as a bioweapon. Paranoia.

"It's interesting you bring up the mention that Weyland-Yutani wanted the Xenomorph for their Bio-Weapons division, Because as I recall unless I am mistaken no-one actually states this in the movies..."

Just watched Alien.

It's in the film, Gavin, after Ash was beheaded and Ripley tries to resuscitate him to find out how to kill the alien:

"How come the company sent us a goddamn robot? 

They must have wanted the alien for the weapons division.

He's been protecting it all along.

Will you plug it in?

I don't know. 

Because he may know how to kill it."

Then the dialogue between Ripley/crew and Ash:

"What was your special order?

You read it. I thought it was clear.

What was it?

Bring back life form. Priority one. All other priorities rescinded.

The damn company. What about our lives, you son of a bitch?

I repeat, all other priorities are rescinded.

How do we kill it. There's gotta be a way of killing it. How do we do it?

You can't. You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? The perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by his hostility.

You admire it.

I admire its purity. A survivor, unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality."

@ daliens,

This may surprise some but to a degree, but I agree with you. IMO, in terms of execution Cameron did a better job than Scott, as in there are no jarring moments (Space Jockey difference in scale, Bretts feet in Lamberts scene) in Aliens, and despite the introduction of the Queen Cameron did show the Xenomorph has a degree of intelligence, which was missing from Alien. But...

One issue with Cameron is an oversight when it comes to time. Take Terminator 2 as an example, there are multiple scenes that dictate the present day scenes are set in 1994, but despite having co-written and directed the movie he made an error with the LAPD laptop screen (John Connor would have been 9 not 10 years old).

For Aliens some of Cameron's time oversights are...

# The 57 years hiatus, Why?

# Hadley's hope has been there 20 years, yet never discovered the Derelict or its signal (has been explained since, but not at the time).

# 20-year-old colony's firstborn was Newt, even though her brother is older?

# absolutely no time frame between events.

However, I will say this. Despite the grief that Cameron's movie gets, considering what came before his movie is the next logical step narratively, while rightfully not repeating the tone of what came before serves both his and Scott's movies justice. Alien is one Alien in space, Aliens is lots of Aliens on a planet/moon. Alien was best suited as a survival horror, Aliens was best suited as an action movie. The movies after this simply recycled what came before (Alien 3 - one alien on a planet, Alien: Resurrection - lots of Aliens in space).

@ BigDave,

It's interesting you bring up the mention that Weyland-Yutani wanted the Xenomorph for their Bio-Weapons division, Because as I recall unless I am mistaken no-one actually states this in the movies...

# Ash loved its purity

# Burke saw the Alien as a way of getting rich

# Michael Bishop/Bishop II believed there was so much to learn from the creature.

Happy 4/26 Day!!

A Working/Hazmat Joe can be worse than a Xeno imo.

"I would conclude the Company wanted the Organism for the Bio-Weapons Division (this is Spoon Fed) i would have had to WONDER why they left it so long from the Special Order 937, until Ripley had informed Burke about the Xenomorph which i would conclude has to me that ONLY a few were aware of the Xenomorph and for some reason they maybe never bothered to return, or maybe did-not know that the Derelict had so many Eggs and thought going back as not of interest."

Aliens has the laziest script in the Quadrilogy, starting with the meeting between Ripley and the suits from W-Y, so full of cliches. I mean there was special order 937 in Alien, but in Aliens W-Y established a colony on LV426, still they never bothered to search for the derelict until Burke told them to do it? Did they need to interview Ripley? What happened with the exchange of messages between Nostromo and W-Y, when the Company was informed about the Alien and they decided that crew is expendable,  just get the Alien?

Aliens is such a superficial spoon feeding popcorn flick and I still don't understand why there are still people who praised it. For the queen? Forgive me.

Happy 40th Alien Day. I like to watch Gameplays of:

Alien isolation

Aliens: colonial marines

Alien vs Predator (alien campaign)

Alien blackout.

I'm going to watch alien Alone and alien harvest (Two shorts).

That's it!

Don't get killed by a xenomorph. If you get killed by an Android, that's ok.  :)

I trust Alien: The Play will be recorded this time.

They have to send a copy to Ridley Scott in case he will be busy with something else. And some bootleg records for us, at least.

It seems like we won't get any news from those "tough sons-of-bitches", though. That's disheartening!

Anyway, Happy Alien Day!

dk, yeah, it's one of a kind. 

It makes me imagine what would have happened on board of the Nostromo if the Alien killed all crew save Jones.

"Both Prequel ideas could have explained Special Order 937 and gave some insight to the Space Jockey Event and Origins of the Xenomorph while also being a ALIEN like Movie with Xenomorphs."

I guess Advent explains the origin of special order 937.

The question I am asking myself now is: did Ridley Scott knew that he will not be allowed to finish the prequels after the release of Alien Covenant and that's why they gave us Advent?

Advent is there to answer some questions that could have been answered in the next installment, it is even a queen mentioned, as an olove branch to Aliens fans. It explains also what the black goo was and why David killed Shaw, how he came to make his xenomorph.

Just a thought.

Even if it doesn't get recorded for the masses, thanks to the crew and support from Scott Free and NECA for this- and I envy the ticket paying audience. To all, Happy Alien Day!!!

daliens The Xeno is baiting Jonesy? That is awesome!!!

Thank you setaverde for you comment.

Here is something I am impatiently waiting for:

The Making of Alien by J.W. Rinzler will be released on July 23, 2019 and it's available for pre-order on Amazon for a special price of $37.42 (hard cover, 336 pages). It seems a truly remarkable must have for all the rabid Alien fans. And what better time to place the order than Alien Day. I just did it.

"A comprehensive and definitive volume telling the complete story of how Alien was made, featuring new interviews with Ridley Scott and other production crew, and including many rarely-seen photos and illustrations from the Fox archives. 

In 1979 a movie legend was born, as Twentieth Century-Fox and director Ridley Scott unleashedAlien - and gave audiences around the world the scare of their lives. 

To celebrate the movie's fortieth anniversary, author J.W. Rinzler ( The Making of Star Wars) tells the whole fascinating story of how Alienevolved from a simple idea in the mind of writer Dan O'Bannon into one of the most memorable sci-fi horror thrillers of all time. 

With brand new interviews with Ridley Scott and other key members of the original production crew, and featuring many never-before-seen photographs and artworks from the archives, The Making of Alien is the definitive work on this masterpiece of popular cinema."

Happy Alien Day, Sir Ridley Scott!

So far at this writing, it looks unimpressive. Pictures and a 4K movie is how the 40th anniversary is celebrated? Whatever. 

The IGN shorts and Play are way better so far. 

Happy Alien Day everybody!

Here is my present to you: an “Alien” poster by Karl Fitzgerald

A playful Alien like we've never seen before!

That isn't from the Play is it?

Chris Yes, I was being tongue in cheek lol! If there is a movie in the works, they should just go for it. There will always be lovers and haters..........but even the haters will watch and that counts as $ales! 

A perfect film would be relative anyway. No matter what they create next, some of the fan base will love it and some will hate it. Sadly it's inevitable.

R.I.P. :(

Happy Alien Day everyone! Not quite officially April 26th here yet in Canada but we're only 3 hours away!

I think Prometheus would have been an outstanding movie on its own without the Alien connection. There were Xenos in every prior movie so of course I expected to see that- not just the lame Deacon scene at the end.

BTW- RS did 1/4 of the Quadrilogy, so I cannot see how he can really claim the franchise as his own. Carpenter could make that claim too as far as I can see. Fincher would just give a one finger salute.

We have confirmation of two IGN shorts that I hope to see 4/26 (USA time zone). I will be offline for a week for work. I hope to see the play or at least news of it being available to watch. 

Certainly i think we could all WONDER what would have happened if Ridley Scott had NEVER worked on ALIEN.

I certainly think we would NOT have had the Franchise we have now, ALIEN was a Labor of a Number of People. 

He had fought to NOT abandon all the ideas from O'Bannon and Shusett and Championed for HR Gigers input on all the NONE Human Elements. 

While there are some Visual Flaws... (Scale) you have to give RS Credit for giving us such a Wonder Work of Art on the Screen. 

Still 40 years latter it stands the TEST of TIME.

Thank You  Ridley Scott... Happy Alien Day

Certainly chli

We all have our own wishes and interpretations, i know some dont agree with RS and what he had said, but if we look at this then it CONCLUDES that the Xenomorph was either USED as a Bio-Weapon and Experimented on it to Create others.  Or that the Engineers had Created the Xenomorphs (or it Evolved) from Experiments/Outbreak on LV-223

In Ridley Scotts eyes for 35 years the Eggs were a Cargo of the Derelict that the Space Jockey Race would use for Bio-Logical Weapons..

Prequels prior to Alien Covenant intended to explain this more deeper, and RS comments at this time even EXPLAINED what had happened.

Then 35 years of this.... they came up with the DAVID creates it U-Turn/Curveball.   I wonder if in Hindsight they think this was a mistake?

May be wishful thinking but i think if they FOX/Disney pay attention to Fan Reaction, then they would see that maybe a continuation with this Curve-Ball would be FOLLY and they would not want Fans to then Boycott the Franchise over it.

So things could be changed again!

AT THIS POINT..... only from what the Movies show and my honest interpretation if i threw out external material and sources.

In context to the Eggs, they had been on LV-426 for Thousands of Years.   They either predated those Experiments on LV-223 or they came because of those Experiments on LV-223.

NOT by David.

It is a bit more ambiguous also to Conclude if the Experiments were a Bio-Weapon, or used to Evolve Organisms to have traits from the Black Goo that are related to the Deacon/Xenomorph.   With my slightly pondering if they would be used to WIPE a World Clean, but i was more drawn to the World becoming a Place Inhabited/Overran by Xeno like Organisms.

I would have concluded the Space Jockey are the Engineers, or the Space Jockey Predate the  Engineers and maybe Engineers had Rebelled and Stole/Reverse Engineered their Technology.

I would be surprised that the Prometheus Mission could have missed the Derelict SOS, and so the SOS had not been activated yet... so  i would ponder does a Investigative Mission to LV-223 lead to that and Special Order 937.  Or David detected the Signal but somehow managed to keep the rest of the Crew from knowing, and then ask Weyland what to do about it... and who knows what Weyland would have said.   Or the Prometheus and Crew just NEVER encountered the SOS from LV-426... which we also have to ask WHY the Nostromo would not have detected Dr Shaw's... which is WHY at this point i would have been drawn to another Mission goes to LV-223 and turns off her signal but this could have been sent out ONCE and gone across the Galaxy and detected and this resulted in another Mission which is when they detected the Derelict Signal and Special Order 937 came about.

NOW on to...

ALIEN COVENANT

While some Aesthetic Changed from Prometheus, i saw their was some Connection to LV-223, the Engineers appeared to be different, this  would lead me to TWO conclusions... these are a Hybrid Human/Engineer Race or that the Prometheus/ LV-223 Engineers are Augmented versions either by Creation by those Planet 4 Engineers or that some had Evolved Themselves... this left a puzzle to the Sacrificial Engineer which would lead me to think this Scene was NOT our Creation, maybe it was the Creation of those LV-223 Engineers, or those Engineers Sacrificing themselves to Create Horrors related to the Deacon/Xeno/Neomorph.

Regarding the Eggs....  i would have been led to David having conducted experiments on Neomorph Spores and Black Goo to eventually Engineer those Eggs.

A part of me would have notices some conflicts.. such as the difference in the Xenomorph, especially the Chest Buster, and its Gestation Rate that indicate to me that those Xenomorphs are a more Superior Version as far as a Weapon.

Maybe the Classic Chest Buster would be Quicker and Increase Survival Chances, and so that would be a element to Engineer in Future, i would ponder does these Xenomorphs get Evolved to become more Bio-Mechanical and this will be shown in Future and maybe explain the differences in appearance and Gestation/Growth a bit?

I would be in a bit of Shock, Disappointment and Disbelieve what i was shown, i  would watch again and again to try and Clutch at Straws that David could not have created the Xenomorph.

At this point looking back at the other Movies... i would be looking at the Derelict looking like it SURELY had been there for a Long Time before Prometheus but also would be concerned this would be a Ridley Scott oversight.

I would look back at other movies and wonder could David had gone to LV-426 and got a Egg/Eggs, but then i would ask WHY he would Experiment with so many other Organisms...  But its something i could not rule out.. there would be the possibility that David had obtained a Egg from LV-426 or LV-223 and began to experiment with it and the Neomorph.

And maybe THUS David's Xenomorph was a Xenomorph and Neomorph Hybrid.

Conclusion:  David would have either Created the Xenomorph (proto-morph) from Experimenting with the Black Goo and Neomorph Spores and Tinkered with other Life-Forms.   Which we would then need to see his Xenomorphs gain more Bio-Mechanical look in future and in their Thousands (Colonist a Coincidence?) on a Engineer Ship at some point.

OR that David had experimented with a Egg (with only a assumption not fact from where he got it), and Neomorph, and other Organisms to create a Hybrid that he then used Dr Shaw's Eggs to Create in Number.

By Virtue of the Colonist in their Thousands, and this being a ALIEN: Prefix i would be more drawn to that Dreaded Conclusion that at PRESENT, David had been the Engineer of the Xenomorph :(

All of these CONCLUSIONS would not be taking into account anything that NEVER appeared away from the Movies.. So if i watched The Crossing this could help me to ponder something else...  like David gained Knowledge of the Xenomorph/Blue-Prints or could have gone to LV-426 to obtain a Specimen (unlikely)

But i made the last TWO posts based on ONLY considering what the Movies had shown using my Interpretation but NOT letting any other external source sway my Interpretation.

Feel Free to disagree with my Interpretation as they are only mine, and everyone could conclude different, but any replies to give their own TWO Cents based on what i put, maybe should only take into account AGAIN what only the Movies shown.

Ok so when looking at the Franchise alone, and i am trying as hard as i can to not be influenced by anything but what we saw in the Movies, but then i will put my interpretations based on what i see ALONE.   I will also be looking ONLY at what applies to the Xenomorph Origins mainly... and things that are Relevant to who created the Xenomorph. So i can maybe IGNORE most the Franchise. (unless needed) also this would make a unnecessarily long reply.

ALIEN:

The impression gained from watching Alien Alone (My interpretation using no other information but shown). Was that the Nostromo was sent to LV-426 after being informed to check out the SOS Signal but the Company must have known about what was in store at least to some degree due to Special Order 937

I see the Xenomorph as a Organism that appeared to be carried under the Derelict, maybe as part of a Cargo. I see the Ship appeared to be Purposely Built for this Purpose due to the Blue Layer Myst and the Cargo Hold had a similar Aesthetic to the Ship.  I see the Xenomorph as being Bio-Mechanical but its not 100% clear to see the Aesthetic connection to the Ship/Pilot.

I would be unable to Conclude if the Space Jockey was either taking these Eggs for Study, or Taking them for another Purpose, they was on the ship for a Reason that the Movie does-not indicate clearly.  I could Gauge from the Movie that it was likely he got Infected by that Cargo of Eggs, i gathered that it looked like this may have caused the Pilot to had Crashed the Ship, or attempt to Land it. or attempt to Take Off but Failed... but i would be more pushed towards he had Crashed with the Cargo.  I got the impression the Pilot was aware that he was infected and had then Sent the SOS Message to WARN that he was infected and the Cargo was Comprised.

I got the Impression the Pilot was some Bio-Mechanical Being (this would be after more careful Study, ONE viewing could indicate a Skeleton) that connected and interfaced with the Ship via the Chair.

The Xenomorph is saw as this ALIEN that would Hunt Down its Prey in the Shadows and its intention was to Survive and Kill any threats to its Survival.  It showed some Intelligence but appeared to just be a Predator (not the Yautja LOL)

I got the impression the company had some, but limited knowledge of the Species, they knew of the Signal and that a Organism was their to be obtained... which they wanted to Study but with No 100% indication of WHY.

Conclusion:  Egg Origins a Mystery, some Cargo for Some Alien Race who was Transporting them but became infected by its Cargo, and Warned his Race what had happened before landing on LV-426.  The Event seems to be VERY old... Thousands of Years ago or much more.

ALIENS:

This movie would further reveal that those Eggs are likely Laid, but looking at the Blue Myst in Alien, then i would conclude that maybe the Eggs are obtained from being Laid by a Queen by the Space Jockey and taken to the Cargo Hold for a purpose of either to Study or as a Bio-Weapon (i would be more pushed to this when looking at the reason W-Y wanted it).

I would conclude the Company wanted the Organism for the Bio-Weapons Division (this is Spoon Fed) i would have had to WONDER why they left it so long from the Special Order 937, until Ripley had informed Burke about the Xenomorph which i would conclude has to me that ONLY a few were aware of the Xenomorph and for some reason they maybe never bothered to return, or maybe did-not know that the Derelict had so many Eggs and thought going back as not of interest.

I would notice the Xenomorph Hive appeared to have some Aesthetic to the Derelict Ship only slightly though, but maybe NOT be Coincidence.

Conclusion: The Xenomorph was likely used by the Space Jockey as a Bio-Weapon for some Unknown Conflict while the Eggs are Laid by a Queen, i was more drawn to the Xenomorph maybe being a Engineered Weapon. But there would be say 30% of Doubt that would allow me to wonder if the Space Jockey had Discovered the Organism and attempted to Re-Engineer it as a Weapon but also to somehow construct their Technology.

ALIEN 3 and ALIEN RESURRECTION

This Movies dont offer me any additional clues to the Egg Origins or Space Jockey Purpose, but only to Conclude more that the Companies had attempted to obtain the Xenomorph for Biological Warfare.

PROMETHEUS:

In context to the Xenomorph, the movie seemed to show me that the Engineers had been conducting Experiments either on the Xenomorph (or at least something related) to Create the Black Goo Weapon, or that the Black Goo was used to Create Organisms like the Xenomorph and maybe the other Complexes had been used for the similar but maybe different Variants.  (Sacrificial Cup on Altar ignored, and Egg Fresco)

The Engineers lost control of the Outpost with a Outbreak and the Engineers became infected by the Pathogen, i could not really be sure the Engineers had died by any other means but Exploded due to maybe similar to what happened to the Sacrificial Engineer, i would have been confused to WHY we never got NO Fifield Engineers as i found NO evidence of this.   I would have noticed the Chest Burst Cryo-Tubes after Multiple viewings or Study of the Movie, which would have drawn me to some Organism had Exploded from those Engineers, could it have chased the Engineers? i would have considered this, but then other Clues would have for me drawn me to conclude that the Outbreak was Viral, as i noticed the Engineer Suits appeared Hollow.. so i would have been drawn to them breaking down, and this Reaction Exploded from their Suits.

I would have been drawn to ponder if the Worms were Native or had came from the Engineers that had died, but i was more likely pushed to them being Native or existed on (or brought to)  the Surface

The Trilobite/Deacon had lead me to show that the Engineers had experimented with Organisms related to the Xenomorph and there was a connection, but nothing for me to 100% conclude what route.  Just they appeared connected.  I would be drawn to wonder if the Mural was a attempt to Engineer the Deacon and that the Black Goo Strain had Deacon DNA

The Sacrificial Engineer and Virtue of Dr Shaws findings (Star Maps) and DNA match indicated to me that the Engineers are connected and we was created from their DNA, likely via similar to the Sacrificial Scene, which then had drawn me to wonder if the Engineers at some point had Encountered something they then used their Creation Goo on to Create Various Bio-Weapons but also to Enhance themselves.

The Space Jockey and Engineers are connected or even the same, as i put differences down to OVERSIGHT but a 30% of me would ponder had the Engineers Re-Engineered their Technology from the Space Jockey, and Re-Engineered the Eggs to form their many Experiments and Black Goo.

I was part drawn to the Bio-Weapon being used to Destroy, but then part drawn to it being used to EVOLVE Mankind into something NEW. (more so the later)

Conclusion:  The Space Jockey Race and Engineers could be the same, or the Engineers used to Serve the Space Jockey Race and Re-Engineered their Technology and Eggs.  The Xenomorph on LV-426 was connected to LV-223 as either those Eggs would have been used to conduct those Experiments by using the Black Goo (or Sacrificial Goo)  on them and then Results were Weaponized into more Black Goo, or the Black Goo was used to Create the Xenomorphs either on Purpose or as a Accident.   Certainly that the Engineers had maybe created Various Variants of Xenomorph/Deacon like Monsters.   The Derelict likely either being the source for those Experiments, or its Cargo a result of those Experiments and thus on LV-426 for at least about 2000 years.

I could have gone on more with Prometheus as it was Vague and had more to cover than ALIEN or the Franchise had..  But regarding the Eggs/Derelict the above is a Summary of that.